published Saturday, April 18th, 2009

4:55 p.m.

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Clara said...

Thank You, Clay!

April 18, 2009 at 2:24 a.m.
moonpie said...

Beck is the Right's Keith Olbermann.

I guess it depends on where you are in the political spectrum whether you think either one of these guys is histrionic or hysterical.

Personally, I have a hard time listening to the shrill shills of any political group.

April 18, 2009 at 7:15 a.m.
aae1049 said...

The ranting on Fox News is hysterical. The conservatives will be hysterical for the next 8 years, rather then helping to fix this disaster of an economy, heathcare, and education. There does appear to be a "hope you fail" from the rebulican party, at the expense of everyone.

In Tennessee, with a predominaltey republican leglislature they are only focusing on guns, at the same time public education in Tennessee, need I speak to the obvious.

April 18, 2009 at 7:26 a.m.
rolando said...

The usual suspects....

Crazy, Clay?

Crazy like a Fox.

Beck has almost twice the viewers of Olbermann and a million more than CNN's best...

CABLE NEWS RACE NITE OF THURS., APRIL 16, 2009

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,897,000 FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,138,000 FOXNEWS GRETA 2,639,000 FOXNEWS BECK 2,233,000 FOXNEWS SHEP 1,979,000 FOXNEWS BAIER 1,866,000 CNN COOPER 1,277,000 CNN KING 1,260,000 MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,229,000 CNNHN GRACE 1,172,000 MSNBC MADDOW 1,052,000

-- Stats courtesy of drudgereport.com See it and much more there.

April 18, 2009 at 8:19 a.m.
rolando said...

The right is "helping" just as the BDS-infected and infested left "helped" during the previous eight years -- those years you are always bringing up, aae1049. Hard to give up a good Syndrome, is it? Hm-m-m-m.

The only reason the left wants "bipartisan" support is so they have someone to point a finger at when the tax man arriveth to take away our first- and second- born the day the bill falls due. And we are having none of it.

This multi-trillion dollar budget for this year and the next and the next and the next is and will be YOUR side's doing and ONLY your side's. So enjoy it.

April 18, 2009 at 8:27 a.m.
rolando said...

I must agree with you, moonpie. I watch very little TV news. I am not into sound bites to describe anything as complex as politics...other than the weather and such. Although come to think of it, Weather [and Sports] are two things that they go on about FOREVER, describing everything to the level of counting nose hairs.

TV is for those with a shorter attention span, it fills the gap for them and keeps the couch warm.

The Internet News Service [INS} is the new wave...and it comes in many colors, scents, and persuasions giving us all the choices in the world. Literally. Which is why the MSM detests it so...and attacks it so relentlessly.

April 18, 2009 at 8:38 a.m.
Clara said...

Rolando, were those stats for just the period that the T.E.A parties were offered? Just wondering. Also, let's consider the total amount of possible viewers who didn't bother listening to any of them and either read a good newspaper or the Enquirer.

April 18, 2009 at 8:41 a.m.
rolando said...

Public schools are a lost cause. You want your children educated, find the money somewhere to send them to a private school.

If you can't find it, do it yourself; you cannot possibly do as bad a job as the one public schools do.

April 18, 2009 at 8:50 a.m.
EaTn said...

"Beck has almost twice the viewers of Olbermann and a million more than CNN's ", per drudgerport.

Well, we don't have talk radio and tv show host worship quite as much as the republicans do. We tend to be more critical and self thinkers.

April 18, 2009 at 8:52 a.m.
rolando said...

Does it matter, Clara?

FoxNews has consistently been the No 1 cable news network for years, although it has had a few bumps.

There are no "good" newspapers left...or darn few of them. That's why they are dying. And that's my point.

April 18, 2009 at 8:57 a.m.
jchamb337 said...

Who's Mr. Beck?

April 18, 2009 at 9:05 a.m.
EaTn said...

per rolando- "Public schools are a lost cause"

With our legislation spending most of their time and energy on gun issues, how can we expect them to have time to address the schools. With our HS graduation rate one of the worst in the nation, the state legislation (and we who elected them) should hang our heads in shame.

April 18, 2009 at 9:05 a.m.
rolando said...

Talk radio is NOT a Republican thing, EaTn, as I suspect you already know.

It is a Conservative phenomenon...which is why Liberals do not have and will not support their own. They just want to spoil it for others by calling it Unfair.

The Left has no TV host worship??? That's a good one. Thanx for the laugh. How about whats-his-face with the tingly leg? Or the one with the odd suspenders? Or the one who [poorly] manufactured evidence that Bush lied or something? Or the babe who did such a great job in the Palin "interview"? Icons, all.

April 18, 2009 at 9:08 a.m.
rolando said...

The previous legislature had decades to fix them, EaTn. Yet you and aae1049 attack this one because it hasn't fixed it instantly?

C'mon. That's just anti-gun feelings speaking. They are two different things...fix what can be fixed first and leave the unfixable for later. Our schools are unfixable and will remain so until Washington gets its ham-handed meddling out of the picture.

The legislation was seen as a Freedom thing and an attempt to bring Tennessee up with 33 other states with similar laws. Tennesseans are not, IMO, slathering idiots waving guns nor are they Jed Clampetts.

I [underlined] haven't even attacked Bo because he didn't fix the economy instantly -- just for the idiotic, extremely expensive, impoverishing, and non-presidential things he has done.

April 18, 2009 at 9:26 a.m.
OllieH said...

jchamb337-

If you don't know who Glenn Beck is, consider yourself lucky.

He's the latest addition to the can of mixed nuts that is FOX News.

April 18, 2009 at 9:40 a.m.
woody said...

Hey Rolando, Just a quick Saturday note. You seem to bring out the philosopher in me.

In plain English, so even you can understand: Being on the right and being 'right' are not necessarily the same thing. And you seem to be the "poster child" for this truism. Thank you for your time and attention, Woody

April 18, 2009 at 9:45 a.m.
aae1049 said...

Public education a "lost cause." I do not know where I would be without public education. See it is back to the GOP, Me, Me, and More Me. Public education took a nose diver under the Bush Admin, or the 8 year of blight most of us call it.

To give up on Public Education, means giving up on 42,000 children in Hamilton County. No Way, The TEA about Me people.

April 18, 2009 at 9:54 a.m.
EaTn said...

Schools are a reflection of our society. If I have the money I will send my kids to a private school and to heck with all those other poor kids. Even Washington has chimed in the last few years by pushing tax credits for private schools. This amounts to tax funded segregated schools, with the division now between classes instead of races.

April 18, 2009 at 9:57 a.m.
gmillener said...

This is an instance in which I'd argue that the statistics are in need of more context - having a larger audience is all well and good, but in terms of political impact, having a more ideologically diverse audience would ultimately be more important than viewership. I would argue that, at least based on this assumption, CNN (admittedly still a somewhat left-leaning network) remains the most relevant news source of the three listed above - as both Fox and MSNBC preach to their respective choirs, they're real influence is limited.

Here, by the way, are the Nielsen numbers for total households reached: CNN/HLN - 98.63 million HHs CNBC - 97.13 million HHs FNC (Fox) - 94.82 million HHs MSNBC - 93.00 million HHs

CNN again has the most potential impact.

(I would encourage everyone to browse through the Project for Excellence in Journalism's website, www.journalism.org, for some truly fascinating media studies.)

April 18, 2009 at 10:23 a.m.
gmillener said...

(Of course, when you compare Fox or CNN's viewership to ABC, NBC and CBS's .. well, they're still fringe networks.)

April 18, 2009 at 10:32 a.m.
una61 said...

Is this the Mr. Beck with the Tax Foreclosure Infomercial scam that misleads naive people for $39.95 or the Mr. Beck of Fox TV who does it for free?

April 18, 2009 at 12:41 p.m.
samplegirl said...

Glen Beck the grim reaper of not only television but of his party just inciting more and more hate. His ratings are high because everyone awaits one his off the wall statements. To bad we don't pick our presidents by the number of ratings.

April 18, 2009 at 1:21 p.m.
rolando said...

No response to this post needed, woody, but does your login identify you sexually or mentally? Just wondered.

Now that we have exchanged the seemingly obligatory slaps, can we proceed with something meaningful?

April 18, 2009 at 3:30 p.m.
aae1049 said...

You betcha Samplegirl!

April 18, 2009 at 3:31 p.m.
rolando said...

Who said anything about "giving up on public education", aae1049?

I said public education is unfixable until WASHINGTON stops meddling with it. Why change anything at state level, for instance, when DC will dork around, take our fixit money, and run with it for the pork value.

No, the problem IS NOT in Nashville and HAS NOT been in Nashville...it is centered on 1600 Pennslyvania Ave and in the Capitol Building in Wash, DC.

Or do you enjoy seeing our tax money flow in floods to DC just to have orders/unfunded mandates and a trickle of cash returned? Think what we could do with those taxes if left to do our constitutionally directed duty.

As it is today, we will only get more orders and less money tomorrow...something must pay for that multi-trillion dollar budget, after all. All this from a Department that can't find its backside with both hands.

You learned nothing from the TEA Parties, did you? There's those "sound bites" I spoke of showing their outcome.

April 18, 2009 at 3:53 p.m.
bob37421 said...

Fox has Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly. MSNBC has Olberman, Maddow, and Matthews. Can anyone seriously claim that any one of these dingbats is better than another? One side claiming the sky is falling while the other, in particular Maddow, spends every waking moment bashing Bush for everything up to and including mad cow disease. To believe that you can glean anything meaningful from any of these talking heads is to believe in the tooth fairy.

April 18, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.
rolando said...

Wait a minute, gmillener... is the Project for Excellence in Journalism the same group that is involved in the arrest, roughing up, and barring of a journalist at an Excellence in Journalism award ceremony for Katy Couric? View the episode at http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2009/04/journalist-at-journalism-award-ceremony.html

April 18, 2009 at 4:07 p.m.
rolando said...

gmillener -- I just did a quick scan of journalism.org; you are right, it looks very interesting.

I do note, however, that its Director and Senior Councilor are [or were] associated with The NY Times and The LA Times and Newsweek, respectively, both in fairly high positions. Those are not exactly just "leftward leaning".

In any case, I look forward to quite a bit of review there. Thank you for the cite.

April 18, 2009 at 4:28 p.m.
rolando said...

EaTn said:

"Schools are a reflection of our society. If I have the money . . . . division now between classes instead of races."

I agree with you straight down the line, EaTn. However, [isn't there always a "however"?] I would make one comment.

There has ALWAYS been a division between classes and always will be. Even the USSR had classes, so does China, and every other country. Some divisions are wider than others. Almost all are based on money in one form or another. As you point out, this one is tax-funded...

Excellent post you made in any case and a sad commentary on our society.

April 18, 2009 at 4:41 p.m.
bob37421 said...

I wonder if Beck, Matthews et al are products of public or private schools.

I asked my daughter, who has been a teacher, mostly special ed, for 15 years what single best thing could be done to improve public schools. Her response was get rid of "no child left behind" She said teachers refer to it as "no child gets ahead"

The argument years ago over federal funding of local schools was that it would lead to federal control. That notion was ridiculed at the time. The Feds claimed they just wanted to help "the children" and why would they be interested in messing with local schools.

Well we see what happened. Are the schools better off?

April 18, 2009 at 5:16 p.m.
joshkotw said...

I'm drowning in the sea of Clay's continuing liberal spin...can we get a real editorial cartoonist instead of a biased agenda pusher?

April 18, 2009 at 5:40 p.m.
Clara said...

The other day I asked a question as to why the Somalies had turned to piracy, but I never got a response. This evening I found a Time Magazine article addressing the problem.

I doubt if anyone would go back to that cartoon so I thought I'd enter the URL here. Sorry to break into your present arguments. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1892376,00.html

April 18, 2009 at 6:16 p.m.
samplegirl said...

Glen Beck is one of the best cry baby impostors Fox news has. However he is good for one thing....late night comedy ratings. He is a great help to the democrats because anyone with any sanity at all has a look & listen at him and they begin to realize how wacko the right really is.

April 18, 2009 at 6:49 p.m.
Clara said...

Oh, perfidity! You'll have to go to Time the roundabout way if you're interested.

Sorry!

April 18, 2009 at 8:07 p.m.
Clara said...

joshkotw

I'm sure you're out-voted!

No one is making you watch his cartoons!

April 18, 2009 at 8:10 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

We spent the day clearing brush, putting in the herb garden, setting up the chicken coop, &c.

A yard full of boys, swinging on white oaks that were here when Brainerd Mission was new.

Ended with cooking burgers on wood cut from our own land. And several cans of Fat Tire. Yes, cans.

I have no knowledge of Beck. Thank the gods that he is an irrelevancy to me.

I have the distinct impression that we all need to get out more....

April 18, 2009 at 8:31 p.m.
rolando said...

gmillener -- I found the following when I Google "neilson tv ratings" and get the numbers from just the first google page:

USAToday's Neilson ratings of cable news networks for 6-12 April 09; FoxNews is No 1 all week with double the viewers of No 2 CNN.

<p>TVbythenumbers.com Neilson ratings for all cable TV networks for 8-16 Apr 09 lists ONLY FoxNews in the top 15 shows watched. [Admittedly, WWE Raw and SpongeBob listed higher...indicating something...viewer's age??]

<p>Zap2it.com Neilson listed only FoxNews in the top 15 for the week.

NOTE: Neilson runs Wed to Wed.

Apparently Neilson considers only the number of viewers as their standard...a more accurate indicator IMO than household counts. For worldwide news I choose an even better source...the drudge report.

April 18, 2009 at 11:15 p.m.
rolando said...

I and the wife spent our day on the Harleys, InspectorBucket, with burgers and hotdogs after. Skipped the Fat Tire, though. Yuengling is my brand.

I agree with you, lock stock and barrel.

April 18, 2009 at 11:27 p.m.
gmillener said...

Caught me, Rolando - I forgot a crucially important part of that sentence. The Nielsen numbers I gave are cumulative for 2008 (the most recent available, unfortunately - obviously we have a while to wait for 2009's). Households reached, by the way, are the units for Nielsen values (i.e. is indicative of viewership).

Also, the Project for Excellence in Journalism is associated with the Pew Research Center and formerly the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, not USC's Annenberg School. Per your question.

April 19, 2009 at 7:13 p.m.
samplegirl said...

Glen Becks ratings can be compared to nothing more than a freak show.

April 20, 2009 at 10:13 a.m.
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