published Sunday, August 2nd, 2009

The Speed Trap

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

Exactly. Slow down and try to get it right instead of passing bills that no one has even read.

August 2, 2009 at 12:13 a.m.
Oz said...

If healthcare reform is a great idea? Why will the President, Senate, and Congress exempt themselves from it? You would think, they would want to be the first people in. They aren't any better than "We the People".

August 2, 2009 at 12:27 a.m.
JohnnyRingo said...

That'd be cool, if the GOP officer just wanted Obama to get the patient to the hospital safely, but instead he's about to conduct a thorough safety check on the vehicle, followed by a sobriety test and inventory search. Even then he wont let him go until he repeatedly shows a valid birth certificate and proof of proper insurance participation.

All this nonsense while the patient bleeds out.

They could escort the Obambulance to the hospital, then critique whether or not he took the best route.

August 2, 2009 at 3:32 a.m.
EaTn said...

Why would folks not want basic life saving health care made available to those who can’t afford insurance or are uninsurable due to pre-existing conditions like cancer? I don’t believe most are greedy so I assume that they are being brain-washed by those who either have a special or political interest in preventing it.

August 2, 2009 at 6:35 a.m.
woody said...

If this was the only time or instance the GOP had attempted to intervene for "the welfare of the country" I would have no argument. However, since Obama has taken office the "Right" has taken 'foot-dragging' and intervention to the extreme.

Sure, "haste makes waste", of that there is no doubt. But the time has come to, "...lead, follow, or get out of the way" of what is overdue the good people of this land.

Thank you for your time and attention, Woody

August 2, 2009 at 7:24 a.m.
USF96 said...

I think the cartoons conveys a great message, "Slow Down." The idea for health reform is something we can all agree with but if rushing it through gets us a band-aid when the cut needs stiches, then it's not worth it.

And if we are being honest about this debate, then the police cruiser should say "Congress" because the GOP is not the only one asking Obama to rethink some of his ideas and slow down the process.

August 2, 2009 at 8:22 a.m.
rolando said...

The cartoonist doesn't necessarily deal with "honesty". That is not his function - or that of any political cartoonist. They deal in exaggeration and innuendo.

Clay Bennett is better than most in that his are sometimes neutral -- although they don't look it at first glance.

The dishonesty lies in the one-sided comments without examination of the full issue and its repercussions.

"Bad law" is the deformed offspring of "Speed Up!", "Don't Discuss It!", and "Just Pass It!". A twisted coupling facilitated by...wait for it...well...you know who. /chuckle

August 2, 2009 at 9:07 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Health care delayed is health care denied.

August 2, 2009 at 10:24 a.m.
moonpie said...

I'm a proponent of universal health care. Yes, I know the down sides. In my opinion they're not as bad as the current down sides.

The political problem here is that Americans aren't fully united behind a universal health care program. I think Americans will come around on this, but it will take time. Therefore changes in that direction will have to be slow.

What we're experiencing is the slow removal of the Band-Aid.

Historically, many major changes in the politcal arena are slow.

By definiation, that's what conservatives do. They maintain the status quo. I don't think this is a bad thing, as it can protect you from a fad. However in issues of justice and fairness, change usually ultimately wins.

Conservatives have been against civil rights, gender rights and other major ideas. The walls eventually crumbled around them in those areas. It will happen with health care too.

But whatever changes are made, I'd like to see the best law be passed. Sometimes this means we have to be willing to wait.

August 2, 2009 at 11:30 a.m.
woody said...

"...no truer words have ever been spoken...." I refer to (wait for it...now) Rolando in his previous statement, "The dishonesty lies in the one-sided comments without examination of the full issue and its repercussions."

If that has not been the "Right's" position ever since the current president took office it should have been.

Even though I didn't vote for Obama, or even understand why so many did. When it was clear he had been elected to serve as our president for the next four years I vowed to give him every benefit of the doubt. Whereas most (you will notice I give equal credit, where credit is due) Conservatives chose to 'doubt every benefit he attempted to gain for even them'.

That is most likely why racism will never totally disappear in our lifetime. Why should it be the only 'color barrier' (Black and White...not to mention Red, Blue and Yellow) we become immune to? Just something else to ponder upon.....

Thank you again, for your time and attention, Woody

August 2, 2009 at 11:59 a.m.
najones75 said...

I think the cop pulled Obama over because he's black.

A ridiculous cartoon in so many ways, it doesn't even deserve a comment.

Good day sir.

August 2, 2009 at 12:06 p.m.
USF96 said...

Rolando....with all due respect, cartoonists have a responsibility to be honest as much as the beat-witer or the evening news anchor. They may play with innuendo and exageration, to use your words, to get their point across but honesty must be at the core of their profession.

That said, I was not knocking Clay as dishonest I was just suggesting that a more accurate interpretation of this would be to use the word "Congress" due to the fact that members from both sides of the aisle and from both chambers of Congress have advised him to "slow down," reevaluate and rethink.

August 2, 2009 at 12:12 p.m.
Clara said...

Alprova,

I've read and re-read both these recent blogs on health care.

Your's continue to stand out.

I'm so wary of INSURANCE, I might be considered paranoid about the matter.

I would be bankrupt in a week or less if I had to depend on going to a hospital, other than the VA, for care. I had one experience that forced me to go to a local hospital since our local rescue squad wouldn't drive me to the VA.

One week with a broken leg, and 3 months in a VA facility for after care, solved the problem, but I was somewhat solvent again about 3 years after paying off the local doctors and hospital. I had a roof over my head.

I have great empathy for what you and your wife went through.

I'm at a stage in my 84 years of life, when driving to the VA will prove impossible, and I will again be subjected to local care and cost. This is where my concern for the Obama Health Bill stems.

Will the bill really help to regulate the Insurance Companies? They never seem to lose in their rob Peter to pay Paul exercise, never paying from the amounts we pay in, but from the huge fund of the interest they accumulate from their investments made on our money.

August 2, 2009 at 12:40 p.m.
alprova said...

Rather than to debate the specifics contained in the proposed bill, the GOP, along with a splinter-group of Democrats, are attempting to convince Americans that there is no need for reforming our current health care system.

Those of the public likely to agree with with them are well insured for health care expenses if they crop up and are also likely enjoying good health. I can understand why they do not see any problem to fix. Like most people, if no problem exists within their inner circle of family and friends, it's simply not their problem.

Rolando, I hate picking on you all the time, but when have you EVER come to the middle on any issue that has ever cropped up? You whine about liberal view points in almost every thread, without ever really citing any specifics. I have seen very few times that you have openly expressed what can be clearly seen as an original thought of your own.

How can you NOT understand that the GOP is stonewalling ANY meaningful effort to reform health care for Americans who are being deprived of it? The GOP and a select few Democrats are being paid through lobbying efforts to kill H.R. 3200 by any means necessary.

While millions of dollars are being deposited into campaign coffers, lobbyists are additionally spending millions upon millions in advertising dollars to air lies -- lies that are easily refuted in black and white by the words contained in the bill. This is a shameless effort to brainwash people into thinking that our President is attempting to take away the current health care system from ALL Americans.

You have a lot of nerve to type the word "dishonesty" in this forum to describe "one sided comments" coming from any of us.

I don't think that this issue is anything to be chuckling about. While you are laughing, people are dying from the neglecting of their health because they have had no choices, that is until it is too late to do anything about it.

If we were discussing any hypothetical costs to insure that every fetus conceived across this land of ours was downloaded and had a chance at life, the GOP would be shouting at the top of their lungs that it would be worth every penny spent to achieve that goal. They would spring in a second for all of the related costs to see to it that a healthy baby was delivered.

But as we all know, once that baby is out of the womb, the GOP's positions is forever and always...

"Gootchie gootchie goo!!...now it's all up to you."

August 2, 2009 at 12:41 p.m.
EaTn said...

Americans are afraid of change, especially those with good health insurance. And the right-wing politicians, insurance companies and some providers are doing what they can to perpetuate the scare tactics. Just his morning I was talking to friend who's getting a knee replacement. His Dr. told him he better hurry because after the health care reform the waiting period would be six years.- and people are believing this bull.

If insurance companies and providers are against it , it must be a good deal.

August 2, 2009 at 12:45 p.m.
Sailorman said...

good lord where do you people get this stuff? Bad dreams after eating too much fried food?

Nobody but nobody disagrees with the notion reform is desperately needed. Insurance companies are heavily regulated at both the state and federal level. If politicians really wanted changes, they could have made them long ago. Regardless of the terms in which it's couched, 99% of the problem is with government control. ANY time federal money is involved, federal control follows. Think about it - highways fund, education funding. You harp about the evil insurance lobby. What about the evil politicians that take the money The very same people who claim they're going to save you.

There are is an endless list of changes that could be made within the existing frameworks to lower the cost of healthcare. Why are they trying reinvent the wheel?

Alprova said "Rather than to debate the specifics contained in the proposed bill, the GOP, along with a splinter-group of Democrats, are attempting to convince Americans that there is no need for reforming our current health care system."

Pure BS If the house dems had their way there wouldn't have been any debate just like they pulled with the cap and trade fiasco. They throw out "facts" like 50 million uninsured (it started at 40) and Medicare's "lower" admin costs and you people swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

To quote the one line of EaTn's post that's accurate: "and people believe this bull"

Americans truly will get the government they deserve.

August 2, 2009 at 1:26 p.m.
alprova said...

Clara, if H.R. 3200 were to be passed as it reads today, it would absolutely force insurance companies to play fair with ALL Americans.

They would not be allowed to pick and choose who they will insure. They would be forced to price their policies uniformly for all people. The maximum spread in premium for older Americans would not be allowed to exceed two times that of a teenager.

Under any policy that a private insurer issues, the absolute must will be that every patient will have access to every service (i.e. tests) that a physician may deem necessary when treating you. Insurers would not be allowed to require any extensive traveling outside of your local area for "in-network" services, if a local provider is available. In other words, if you physician orders a CAT scan and it can be done here in Chattanooga, your insurance company cannot make to go to Atlanta or Nashville to get the scan, nor would they be allowed to make you pay more out of your pocket either.

Another good thing that will come down the pike if this bill passes, would be to drive out of business all the disreputable insurance companies that are selling health care policies that pay next to nothing in terms of benefits.

Any policy sold by an insurer will have to pay on behalf of the patient no less than 70% of all medical costs. Out-of-pocket expenses will not exceed 30% per year for anyone.

August 2, 2009 at 1:37 p.m.
alprova said...

Sailorman, if the GOP has any proposals to offer, why are we not seeing them? They claim to be working on a proposal, yet have produced nothing to date. Where have they been in the past decade and a half since this issue began gaining momentum? Their PAC's are working hard to convince everyone that the status quo is just fine and dandy.

The wheel, as you call it, has not existed on an axle that has been greased for everyone's benefit. The medical lobby has been allowed to get away with actual murder to boost profits. They are thriving while people are suffering. Greed overrides any concept of compassion. You have no clue as to how bad it is out there, do you?

Why are changes now possible, where they were not likely in the past? Because the GOP is no longer in control of the situation. Their fifteen year reign is over. And I for one, thank God almighty for that.

Clearly, to have produced a 1,018 page bill that IS on the table and that can be read by EVERYONE, it tells me that there are some people who have been working on this issue for quite some time. So tell me, which side of the aisle seems to have it's ducks in a row, and which one doesn't? Talk sure is cheap.

People are waking up to an understanding of who butters the bread served at the GOP table. I'm encouraged to see that Republicans are eager to continue down the same paths that they have been for most of two decades now.

Let the smug and self-righteous keep padding their coffers with cash. No matter how much they amass, no amount will ever allow them to to buy their way into Heaven.

August 2, 2009 at 2:35 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Alprova - I agree those are needed changes. I disagree we need the bill proposed. Every one of the changes you mention could be done today without it. People like Clara, indeed all of us, deserve better. Apparently you've done something congress is unable to do - analyze it in depth? If so, kudo's to you. By the way, what do you propose for the 30%? That could easily be enough to bankrupt a family.

August 2, 2009 at 2:35 p.m.
JohnnyRingo said...

Sailorman: I've recently become one of the 47m people (and growing) with absolutely no health insurance. I sit here now nursing a rib that I hurt last week with no hope of going to a doctor to learn the extent of my injury. Thanx to the kindness of others, I have a few Vicodins to mask the problem.

Regardless of your fanciful wish to "reform" the system by simply deregulating the insurance industry, I can't afford $300, $200, or even $100 a month in payments. I guess if I cancelled my internet, I could afford $50 monthly, but we both know your vision for health care will never see $600 a year coverage without government supplement.

If you don't want government health care, keep your blue chip plan. Get out of the way and let people like myself who need it have a chance to see a doctor. If you earn six figures, and fear paying a couple percent higher taxes to help pay for it, you'll still be better off than 90% of Americans. For once, count your blessings instead of crapping on those below you.

August 2, 2009 at 2:41 p.m.
EaTn said...

Regardless of your feelings on health care reform, there are some real sad issues with the current system. Obviously there are 40-50 million without health care, but included are those who the insurance companies won't touch at any price. These are those who have or have had serious illnesses like cancer, heart disease, diabetes. All these folks can hope for is reform or to live until Medicare kicks in.

August 2, 2009 at 2:44 p.m.
Sailorman said...

JohhnyRingo first I'm sorry you're in that position - you should have an alternative and apparently don't. And I never said you shouldn't. You assume a lot. I don't earn anywhere six figures, the plan I have is hardly blue chip, it's expensive as rip, and I doubt I'll have it much longer since my job is probably going to end as well. Then I'll have an opportunity to be part of the 10-12 million NOT 40-50. So get off your high horse. I'm not crapping on anybody. There should be a safety net but that doesn't mean turn the ENTIRE system over carte blanche to the government.

"Regardless of your fanciful wish to "reform" the system by simply deregulating the insurance industry." Apparently your reading comprehension is hurting too. That is nothing like what I said.

EaTn we've had this discussion before. :)

August 2, 2009 at 3:08 p.m.
toonfan said...

For those of you who seem to think that this cartoon is neutral, or that the cop's line of 'What's the hurry' is, somehow, the point of this cartoon, I think you may need to take a class in cartoon interpretation.

Come on, people, can you imagine a traffic cop stopping an ambulance that has its lights flashing as it's responding to a medical emergency?

If its lights are on, an ambulance is either rushing to pick up a critically ill patient, or it's taking the patient to the emergency room. I think JohnnyRingo had the point of the cartoon right. This cartoon is DEFINITELY showing the cop (or the GOP) as the problem... not the ambulance, or its driver.

Sorry to dash any hopes about Clay being unbiased or even-handed, but I read this as another effort by the cartoonist to promote the president's health care plan.

Which I, of course, applaud!

August 2, 2009 at 3:57 p.m.
JohnnyRingo said...

Sailorman:

Let me test my reading comprehension again.

"Nobody but nobody disagrees with the notion reform is desperately needed. Insurance companies are heavily regulated at both the state and federal level. If politicians really wanted changes, they could have made them long ago. Regardless of the terms in which it's couched, 99% of the problem is with government control. ANY time federal money is involved, federal control follows."

Somehow, by apparently reading between the lines of the above, I gathered that you believed government regulation is the cause of our current and future health care woes. As it turns out, that's not what you were saying at all.

I'm sorry I overestimated your worth as well, but you sound like a millionaire who has much to lose with govt sponsored care. I'm sorry for the misunderstandings.

August 2, 2009 at 3:57 p.m.
rolando said...

So you want to go there, alprova…OK.

I didn't first use "dishonesty" here. That was someone else. I did state all comments on this forum are one-sided...that is the nature of debate. That most assuredly includes your comments. You, sir, are no paragon of objectivity – nor am I, but then I never claimed to be.

The responsibility for everything of consequence that has happened in Wash DC since Jan 20th can be laid directly on your side of the aisle...that rankles because they only have themselves to blame when the wolf comes knocking on the door. With few exceptions [RINOS are like that], there is little bi-partisan support for ANY of your side’s hair-brained, half-baked, poorly thought out schemes to reduce America to the lowest common denominator through "wealth distribution". [How’s that working out for you?] The best you [plural] can do is go socialist and nationalize everything you can lay your hands on, including industry, finance, soon medical, then energy. That pretty well bakes the cake. [Specific enough for you?]

[continued]

August 2, 2009 at 4:02 p.m.
rolando said...

[continued page up]

Somewhere along the way, the means for the people to defend themselves from this Congress’ and this administration’s excesses must be confiscated…no doubt those plans are in the works.

I lived with nationalized health for about 40 years – 25 as active duty military and the remainder as a civil servant working on a military base. The medical care was OK; luckily they were mostly during my younger years and I enjoyed excellent health. More than once I was the subject of rationed care and had to simply do without treatment [no, it wasn’t a combat thing].

My wife was ALWAYS treated as a second-class citizen; she waited longer for appointments, had a very narrow choice of doctors, and her needed surgery was delayed…the usual things associated with national health care.

One thing...it was cheap. All it cost me was those 25 years of my life at reduced pay…although it was worth it today since I have excellent health insurance; some private, some government. I pay and paid dearly for both.

Yet you expect me to give up those 40 years of work, personal planning and a healthy life-style in favor of some under-educated, un-trained, incompetent, obese ne’er-do-well living on the dole...and those here illegally, as well. You, sir, are sadly mislead. I suspect it may not be YOUR money at risk, either.

Everyone in this country has the same opportunities as everyone else. Self-made success stories abound. I am NOT some 14-year old unwed mother’s keeper. Her and her mother made the decision; they can live with it. Literally. Some guy wants to major in mall-hangin’, video games, or gang-banging, that’s HIS choice. He can live it [as long as he can]. I am not HIS keeper, either.
When will the Democrats wise up and recognize personal responsibility? Never, I suspect…not until the bottom falls out.

As for babies, the Democrat’s creed is "Kill ‘em...but only in the womb." So who is more moral...the Democrat or the Republican? Oh, that’s right...Democrats don’t recognize moral behavior. Never mind.

August 2, 2009 at 4:03 p.m.
Sailorman said...

NP - my posts are sometimes incoherent! lol millionaire? wish I was - wouldn't be sitting here for sure. What I am is somebody who doesn't trust this thing to end well. Politicians have had the tools all along to address these problems and haven't done it. What are they going to get out of this that's making them want to rush it through? And I know from long sad experience that Medicare isn't what it's cracked up to be from any perspective other than the patient. The patients do in fact get the care but what goes on behind the scenes is a disaster and expensive as he!! for everybody. An extension of anything like that will be a financial bottomless pit. Having said that, an example of a fix could be: Why can't you and Clara be put on Medicare? Temporarily or not? They could fix that with one quick bill. The fact that Medicare is already broke doesn't seem to bother congress so why should it bother us? Anyway, I do hope things turn out well for you (and Clara too)

August 2, 2009 at 4:15 p.m.
EaTn said...

rolando- I don't question you've earned the insurance benefits you have. But there are those civilians who've worked 30 years at a so-so job, their plant closed and now they have no job or insurance. And if they have a medical condition, no insurance company will touch them.

August 2, 2009 at 4:20 p.m.
OllieH said...

Rolando wrote, "Yet you expect me to give up those 40 years of work, personal planning and a healthy life-style in favor of some under-educated, un-trained, incompetent, obese ne’er-do-well living on the dole...and those here illegally, as well. You, sir, are sadly mislead. I suspect it may not be YOUR money at risk, either."

Gee, rolando, it sounds to me that you don't mind rationed care as long as someone else has to do the rationing.

As the son of a lifer in the army, I too experienced a socialized health care system. I never had to do without, received free medical, dental and vision care for the first eighteen years of my life and never knew it was any any other way, for anybody else.

Having had private insurance for the past 32 years, I find myself, conversely, 'doing without' much more often, and paying dearly for the privilege.

You guys can speculate about how bad the care will be under a government plan if you want to, but please don't follow that argument with the point that such a plan will be unfair competition with private insurers. If the government plan is bad (a free marketeer would argue) it will die a much deserved death. But if it's good, private insurance coverage might suffer the same fate. Either way, we're better off for having tested the will of the marketplace.

August 2, 2009 at 4:26 p.m.
OllieH said...

By the way, I agree with toonfan's and JohnnyRingo's interpretation of this cartoon. An ambulance is an emergency vehicle. Obviously, the driver is in a hurry because... IT'S AN EMERGENCY!

Duh!

August 2, 2009 at 4:30 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Ollie - of course you would agree - it fits right in with the rest of your lib script. DUH :)

I for one don't necessarily think the care under a gov plan would be bad. Medicare services aren't bad. It's just a bloated expensive program. Bankrupt in fact. Nor do I believe the scary tales of rationing - at least not yet.

You're wrong that a bad gov plan could die. It won't be allowed to. No matter the consequences. It will be tweaked and adjusted resulting in more bureaucracy but it won't "fail". In financial terms, medicare is a failed program so it kind of depends on how you define failed.

August 2, 2009 at 9:51 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando, I sure do appreciate you hanging it all out. It served to remind me why I am no longer a Republican, and why I likely will never support that party again. I simply cannot align myself with thoughtless and heartless people.

And Sir, just so we understand each other, for most of the last 20 years, I made six figure incomes. I wrote my tax checks every quarter and every April 15th. I always accepted the fact that I paid more in taxes, and that I paid those taxes in higher percentages BECAUSE I made more in terms of income than the average Joe.

The difference between you and I is that I am more mindful of the fact that not everyone who is in the dumps at any given moment, is necessarily there because they are "under-educated, un-trained, incompetent,[or an] obese ne’er-do-well living on the dole...and those here illegally, as well."

I could take the time to pick every point apart, but why bother? You obviously have yourself so glued atop a pedestal that a bazooka couldn't knock you off of it.

You really are hypocritical, and you'd never admit it in a million years. You sit there as a man who worked 40 years for our Government, while being paid those 40 years by the taxpayers of this nation. You are now retired with lifetime health care benefits solidly in place. At the same time, you have the audacity to sit there in judgment of other people because they have not done as you have done? Amazing. Face the fact Rolando, you exchanged your services as an employee of our Government for a lifetime of security.

Make no mistake in thinking that I have any problem with you being in your situation. You earned it. I absolutely think that you are entitled to all that you have worked for. But let's at least be intellectually honest here; No one was going to lay you off, cancel your benefits, or mismanage your pension. If someone in your family racked up thousands in medical claims, your employer was not going to fire you to save a buck, were they?

Not every person in this country can do exactly as you have done, for hundreds of reasons. Regarding your contention that "everyone in this country has the same opportunities as everyone else," pardon me, but you're making that observation from a very brainwashed and an advantageous position. You cannot begin to know everyone's life situation, nor are life's downfalls always the result of one's decisions. That is another subject and one that I would love to debate with you one day.

The rest of your rant deserves no response whatsoever. It was unsurprisingly redundant, totally baseless, literally unbelievable.

August 2, 2009 at 11:04 p.m.
Sailorman said...

There have many occasions on many topics that I have been in agreement with Rolando. Obviously then I usually disagree with alprova. BUT Rolando in this last post you are way off the reservation and Alprova is, at least in my mind, quite correct. Dial it down my friend. You hurt your credibility.

August 3, 2009 at 8:50 a.m.
Jhenry said...

This is tiring. 47 million uninsured-they must all be poor people that only the government can help. This is utter non-sense. Does anyone even know where this number came from (I do, I'm curious if you do). How many in this number are young and healthy and don't see a reason for insurance? How many are middle class that can afford to pay their own way? If these 47 million are poor people with nowhere to turn to for coverage why aren't they on Medicare/Medicaid or their states insurance plan? Why don't we enact reform on our current system and then see where we need to go after that? Tort reform, reform Medicare/Medicaid. If this new legislation is so great why the rush and where is the transparency?

August 3, 2009 at 2:51 p.m.
Clara said...

Jhenry,

Can you live on $1,000 a month with no other income and afford health insurance when it doesn't pay for what you need?

I have a friend who is still working at 65. Once a month she receives an infusion for reumatoid arthritis. Without insurance, she tells me the cost of a single infusion is $5,000. I haven't pried to find out how much her "INSURANCE" pays off on that, but I will. I'm surprised she was even qualified for insurance, as the condition was pre-existant.

She works as a low-level health care worker for a state agency.

There are people much worse off than we are!

I will check with her tonight!

August 3, 2009 at 3:56 p.m.
Clara said...

OK Jhenry,

Her BIG medical bill is $2,500 for each shot. She hadn't told me the cost of $5,000was for 2 months. That doesn't include her other medical expenses. Her insurance at work pays for the shots. I don't know and didn't ask her about the other pre-existing ailments or emergencies which she has had.

She is due for retirement soon. She divorced her husband for good cause, some years ago and, last year found out he had never paid Social Security on her, although she had worked in their store for years. She also found out he hadn't paid into SS for years, although he had worked since he was 16. So any income from that source is limited.

Isn't that illegal?

August 3, 2009 at 7:21 p.m.
jaw822 said...

Just in case no one has kept up with this bill, the more the American people read about it, the more they dislike it. Obama and the rest of the demos want to run it through real quick so that the details don't get to the American people. This bill is nothing more than a way for Obama to enforce more government control and bring America closer and closer to Socialism. This bill is not what the Americans need. If it was so great Congress and the President would use it too instead of PRIVATE insurance. I know all the demos on here will rip me for this comment though because Obama is the second coming of Jesus to them.

August 3, 2009 at 7:39 p.m.
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