Autopsy finds man Tasered at Erlanger died of natural causes

That is fine, but the incident started the death!

Yes Tax Payer, the blood clot, that takes years upon years to build, Was started by the taser.

Good Lord some people Amaze me at their inability to check their facts

Tax Payer Biology 101

What are the causes of deep vein thrombosis? Blood is meant to flow; if it becomes stagnant there is a potential for it to clot. The blood in veins is constantly forming microscopic clots that are routinely broken down by the body. If the balance of clot formation and resolution is altered, significant clotting can occur. A thrombus can form if one, or a combination of the following situations is present:

Immobility •Prolonged travel and sitting, such as long airplane flights ("economy class syndrome"), car, or train travel •Hospitalization •Surgery •Trauma to the lower leg with or without surgery or casting •Pregnancy, including 6-8 weeks post partum •Obesity Hypercoagulability (coagulation of blood faster than usual) •Medications (for example, birth control pills, estrogen) •Smoking •Genetic predisposition •Polycythemia (increased number of red blood cells) •Cancer

Trauma to the vein •Fracture to the leg •Bruised leg •Complication of an invasive procedure of the vein

Now, looking at that list, which I obtained by going to http://www.medicinenet.com

Now let me see, nope..TASER is not on that list anywhere.

Questions?

Class Dismissed

I feel like I learned something today

The electrical conductivity created by the Taser device is what started the bilateral thrombi. You just have no way to prove it. Thus, the medical examiner has to issue a ruling of natural death even though this gentlemen suffered external trauma caused by another.

cburnes1128

"The electrical conductivity created by the Taser device is what started the bilateral thrombi. You just have no way to prove it. Thus, the medical examiner has to issue a ruling of natural death even though this gentlemen suffered external trauma caused by another."

Are you dense? Read up there a few posts,

"A thrombus can form if one, or a combination of the following situations is present: Immobility, Prolonged travel and sitting, such as long airplane flights ("economy class syndrome"), car, or train travel, Hospitalization*, Surgery, Trauma to the lower leg with or without surgery or casting, Pregnancy, including 6-8 weeks post partum, Obesity, Hypercoagulability (coagulation of blood faster than usual), Medications (for example, birth control pills, estrogen), Smoking, Genetic predisposition, Polycythemia (increased number of red blood cells), Cancer, Trauma to the vein, Fracture to the leg, Bruised leg, Complication of an invasive procedure of the vein"

What did they do taser him in the leg? Not to mention a blod clot takes YEARS TO BUILD.

Learn the facts before you speak (or type in this case) It's not that hard to look information up, and study and learn.

Let me clarify my opening remark since no one got it.

I agree that the man had a medical condition prior to the Taser attack. Had that man not been violently shocked and just wrestled like hospital patients normally (or used to before the Taser came along) get when they out of control, he may be living today

Excessive force is the problem here.

Tax Payer

"Mr. Buckner underwent treatments and was discharged from Erlanger around noon Friday, Lt. Noorbergen said. Moccasin Bend sent a van and personnel to bring Mr. Buckner back to the facility, but he refused to get in the van and an altercation took place, she said."

I love you logic, but lets take it a step further

If they hadn't used the taser, he'd still be alive

If he hadn't started an altercation they wouldn't have used the taser

If he hadn't been taken to Earlanger, he'd not been escorted back to the van.

If he hadn't been dehydrated, he'd not been taken to the hospital.

If he didn't have diabeties, he'd not have been dehydrated

So following your logic, "Diabeties" is the problem here.

I know many people that have diabetes. I don't know that man, but I suspect he did not have health insurance. That would be a sufficient reason to treat him so badly; don't you think so Exusiai?

Sorry Tax Payer I just read over your second post again

"Had that man not been violently shocked and just wrestled like hospital patients normally (or used to before the Taser came along) get when they out of control"

So you would rather have had him have his skull busted open? Oh yes, Wrestling, throwing him around THAT would have so been benificial for a man who was recovering from dehydration, and who had a blood clot that the doctors didn't know about.

Do people even think before they utter this Stupidity any more?

Tax Payer

I've worked both as a Psy tech at the Bend, and a Correctional officer at Silverdale.

If they decided to proceed with "use of force" (IE Taser), then he was inflicting harm on either himself, others or both.

So no him not having medical insurance was not why they used force on him, they used force because he posed a threat to again, himself, others or both.

Exusiai you revealed the truth of bias to force by stating your job(s). If that is all you know how to do, then do it well. The officer was fired from CPD for using a Taser wrongfully and has done it again. Now have fun defending your friend.

I hope this case ends up in court!

Doctors Lounge - Cardiology Answers "Blood clot formation is a little bit variable. Clots can form rapidly (minutes) or grow more slowly." Dr. Chan Lowe - Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:48 am

Unless the coroner is saying this man would have died right at that very spot at that very moment whether he was tasered or not, then the actions of these officers still led to his speedy death. We're not talking about ifs and maybe's, or if the man would have died a day, week, month later. Would he have dropped dead while being escorted from Erlanger if he had NOT been tasered? Can anyone honestly answer that? Or has everyone in this god foresaken town lost their "moral compass?"

Furthermore, if the man was as sick as the coroner say he was, then Erlanger was negligent in releasing him back to Moccasin Bend in the first place before properly attempting to treat his "deep vein thrombosis!"

No one's buying this coroner crap. He's a county employee right along with Erlanger being a county hospital. They're all being complicit in this rather than owning up to the truth.

You didn't really think they would omit they were in the wrong. The meddical Examiners office works with the police.

So true, theamerican. Suggesting or implying the actions of the officer using a taser on this victim played no role in his death is akin to saying a victim of a stabbing didn't die from his stab wounds, but instead died from heart failure! Everyone who dies died of heart failure at some point. Simply because the heart stops beating. When the trauma of being stabbed is what led to the victim dying in the first place. Are these people idiots without a conscious or soul? Or do they just believe everyone else is?

I nearly died about 4 years ago with an pulmonary embolism. A thromboses test revealed that I was genetically pron. My attack was just one of those things that finally happened. In order to keep it in check now, I am required to stay on medications to control it and have to have lab tests done not less than once a month to monitor my levels. This will be for the remainder of my life. The reason I am saying this is that there is no proof directly or indirectly that his tazing caused his demise. It seems that every time the police are forced to use any force certain segments of the public want to start pointing fingers. Just remember is Janice Jacks had used force in her situation she may still be alive today. I wasn't there when this guy was tazed but I do know that tazing is not deadly force. It comes down to the point, no one wants to step into the officer's shoes but yet they are more than willing to point fingers. Why don't people just grow up and see the reality of things.

"bias to force" man I want to take all of these apart one at a time.

First off I have no clue who the officer in this situation is, never met the man, nor do I think I ever will. Nor am I defending his actions. I am saying that he was not nor was the Taser the cause of the man's death.

seyville: what does a moral compass have to do with this man's actions? Ok, just because he was a patient at the bend, does not mean he was an Innocent, mentally handicapped person, he could have been a rapist, or murderer who was found not guilty by insanity and Sent to the bend. We don't know BUT what if this were the case, what if he were some sort of menace would you be Screaming and yelling "moral compass" while Accusing the Staff of killing him, and ignoring "DUE PROCESS" .. and "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY"

As for his "deep vein thrombosis!", there is a good chance it went undetected since he was not at the hospital for that he was there for dehydration. So yeah again... where is your PROOF ?

Erlanger is a PRIVATELY OWN Hospital, not a county hospital, get your facts straight again. Hospitals (ALL HOSPITALS) Are privately owned, or a part of colleges.

The "Police" involved were Erlanger's police. not COUNTY police.

Have you people even READ this Story? Or are you just finding another Conspiracy to jump on?

Excalibur!!!!

Amen!!!!!

Our non-sworn Medical Center Security Department has employed TASER technology for almost 6 years now. We are our County's only Level 1 Trauma Center seeing every type of patient immagineable - to include those in violent mental crise. Prior to the TASER technology, we had 'knock-down, drag-out physical fights' leaving my Officers and the patient in various states of injury - just to safely control the patient. We researched TASER extensively prior to implementing them, to include how many cases of Worker's Comp lost days are on the books because of those violent physical encounters. We had employed the 'other' protective equipment; pepper spray/foam, Handler-12 control/restraint device with little success, ... even had collapsable ASPs waiting to be issued, but felt as more and more research bore out that TASER technology was the most effective, humane - non-lethal - method of controlling not just those in mental crises, but anyone bent on violently assaulting our Medical center staff and visitors. We re-familiarize every Security Officer at least twice a year, to include deploying X26 TASER cartridges into hard targets as well as going through a training facility in putting them in 'live train': shoot/don't shoot F.A.T.S. simulator with TASER modules to give each Officer as real of training scenarios they will encounter in our Medical Center as possible. Written proficiency evaluations are also given on technical operation, nomenclature, and 'what if' scenarios akin to our specfific site. All documented for proper use and adherance to our Department's TASER General Order.
We've been very successful in the almost 6 years we've put a TASER on each Officer on duty. Worker's Comp claims requiring days lost are nearly 100% non-existent. We've not had any injury (definitely NO deaths) to any of the 17 individuals who required control with a TASER, and the best news is that we've stopped 82 incidents where violence could have started if not for the TASER's mere presence or display. A phrase to sum up our particular TASER program: "it's a win-win situation". Violent offenders are safely controlled within seconds, and every one of my Officers goes home at night to their family. My closing thought: many misinformed people cry 'foul' in the very sad event of an in-custody death - demanding Police take TASERs off their belts, ... but they still allow the very same Officers to carry lethal force in a handgun. It doesn't make sense to me. Please keep an open mind, and look at each TASER event for 'correct use' per policy. If an Officer is proven to having demonstrated misconduct with a TASER, then they face the same legal consequences anyone does. My apologies for the long-winded response. -TASER User -Southern California