published Tuesday, September 15th, 2009

Joe Wilson

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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ricardo said...

Nancy Pelosi needs to take him out back to the woodshed for his whooping.

September 15, 2009 at 12:09 a.m.
Salsa said...

The whole congress is mostly a liars club anyway.

September 15, 2009 at 12:14 a.m.

here is the deal with this, firs to address the first comment, Nancy Pelosi is worthless. She doesn't care about reform all she cares about is beating Republicans. Having said that, this main is a United States Congressman and a Representative of South Carolina. He has already called and gave his apologies to the President for the outburst but now there is a crusade by Democrats to get this man that called their great messiah a liar.....He is representing a district in south carolina. If that district wishes for an apology then he should give one. If his district doesn't say anything, then he shouldn't. The man is there to represent the minds of the people in his state. If his "voters" want him to call Barack Obama a two faced S.O.B., then he should.

September 15, 2009 at 3:16 a.m.
rolando said...

Indeed, rebellious.

If it walks like a duck, etc, it should be called a duck...not just shouted from the floor of Congress but from the very rooftops.

There never has been any "decorum" within the House of Congress. They more resemble the British House of Commons than a Japanese Tea Service.

It might have been more appropriate, more symbolic perhaps, if Wilson had thrown his shoe at Dear Leader.

September 15, 2009 at 4:09 a.m.
woody said...

Quite honestly, I think everyone has given this man more than his share of undeserved fame. If, as Andy Warhol once said, "Everyone is famous for 15 minutes," then I believe Joe Wilson has had his 15 minutes, plus a couple more.

He knows what he did was wrong, whether he'll ever admit it to himself or not. He has asked forgiveness for his faux pas from the president (or so we have been led to believe). So, allowing him further notoriety for a "Peck's Bad Boy" moment is only furthering his morbid assumption he is worthy of all the attention.

Let's move on to more grown up and important topics of discussion. Please.

Thank you for your time and attention, Woody

September 15, 2009 at 6:06 a.m.
alprova said...

Those accusing the President of being a liar need to look in the mirror. The liar they are seeking to condemn is looking right at you.

The proof as that our President is not a liar has been posted in black and white, is still online, and can be read by everyone. It's obvious that some people have no comprehension skills. It's easy to spot these people too. These are the people who never quote any language from the proposed legislation to make their points. They simply make wild and unsubstantiated arguments.

Joe Wilson never apologized to the President. He spoke with Rahm Emanuel and offered words of regret, very much like those that a child would offer for an act of bad behavior. And then what does he do? Mere hours later, the man uploaded a video on YouTube, effectively calling the man a liar again, topping it off with a plea for money. The man is worse than pathetic. Joe Wilson just signed his retirement papers.

This might be a good time to bring up the issue that has Mr. Wilson so passionate, angry, and vocal.

Regardless of how one may view the illegal immigration issue, the fact is that they are human beings seeking to better their lives. They do not come to this country to take advantage of social services. They come here seeking jobs. They are seeking what most Americans have long taken for granted -- The American Dream.

And whether some people like it or not, they absolutely are boon to our economy. They spend their hard earned money just like you do, for many of the same things you do. Most pay taxes through their employers and never receive a refund for any overpayment of those taxes. Due to their illegal status and the lack of a Social Security number, this prevents them from filing a tax return to claim a refund.

Joe Wilson's concern, as well as those who side with him, is unfounded and it always has been. The lack of a SSN prevents them from being able to received tax credits too.

And last, but certainly not least, it's a little hypocritical on the part of any Republican and their cronies to be charging anyone as being dishonest or spending money recklessly, because we are still spending oodles of money each and every day to fund a war that was based on worse than shaky assertions of their own.

Another man named Joe Wilson, who was in every position to know the truth, absolutely submitted reports discounting the assertions that Saddam Hussein had the capability to build nuclear weapons. That intelligence was shoved aside. $3 trillion dollars later, and while the death toll rises with each passing day, we are still tangled in war efforts that were based on lies.

This 'holier than thou' routine is really getting old.

September 15, 2009 at 6:12 a.m.
Eddo said...

Joe Wilson may have been technically incorrect to call Obama a liar but Obama was being disingenuous in saying no illegal aliens would be covered by the health care legislation prepared in the House. The bill does state that only US citizens would be eligible to participate but there is no, repeat no provision in it to verify nationality.

September 15, 2009 at 6:34 a.m.
EaTn said...

Joe Wilson represents those in this country who have no regard to manners in dealing with others; they believe that their opinion is the only one that matters and that the other person has no right to voice their opinion. The content of his outburst is irrelevant. The President was addressing the entire country and this joker felt it was his place to disrupt this speech. Some may think it was cute, funny or appropriate but most in this country feel it was totally out of place.

September 15, 2009 at 7:24 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Joe Wilson made a contribution to the incivility of discourse. So does this cartoon. For Wilson, I hear, it's out of character. And why is our political discourse so uncivil? Because it's political. We don't hear this nasty stuff between Ford and GM or between McDonalds and Burger King. But the government takes money we don't very freely choose to give it. It does things we may or may not approve. It allows things we may want to forbid, e.g. the murder of unborn babies. It loads us with regulations. It's huge. It's broke. It's arrogant, and pride is sin. It favors one side, currently the left, over the other. (Businesses compete to serve everyone). So shrink government and enlarge peace. Jesus Christ is something of a Libertarian.

September 15, 2009 at 7:46 a.m.
moonpie said...

Please, no one bring up Nancy Pelosi again today... she makes my skin crawl.

Joe Wilson, as this cartoon points out, is the newest punch line for the joke that the Republican party has become.

Personally, I agree with rebelliousnature on what motivates many politicians on both sides AND I think it applies to many people who write here:

They quite simply look at politics like it's a sports team that they support. They'll cheer for their own team no matter what. They'll defend the indefensible. They'd rather win the argument than be right.

It's really just a sad time for America.

September 15, 2009 at 7:48 a.m.
OllieH said...

I don't know about you, Eddo, but whenever I have applied for insurance coverage in the past, I was asked to supply the company with a social security number. If the plan in Congress is no different, that alone would be proof of citizenship.

As for reimbursements to emergency rooms for care of illegal immigrants, well, that would be hard to avoid under any plan. In fact, in 2003, Joe Wilson voted to provide federal funds for illegal immigrants' healthcare. It was part of the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill and his vote authorized government reimbursements to hospitals that provided treatment for uninsured illegal immigrants.

September 15, 2009 at 7:56 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Appears this cartoon is doing the same thing...just in a different medium to another person....

September 15, 2009 at 8 a.m.
OllieH said...

The assertions that members of Congress act like this all the times, is just not true. It is strictly forbidden to malign the personal motives or impugn a member's integrity from the floor of the House.

I hope the House does formally rebuke this moron (thankfully, I have no obligation to adhere to rules of decorum). He may have technically apologized, but without an ounce of contrition. He would have never apologized in the first place if he wasn't forced to by the GOP leadership in Congress. By heckling the president during an address to Congress, Wilson thumbed his nose at both Barack Obama and the rules of decorum of the House of Representatives. By doing so, he owes that chamber (and every American, as far as I'm concerned) an apology as well.

But he refuses to do so, citing the fact that he has already apologized to the president directly. Since that apology, however, he's been seen autographing photographs of him heckling the president during the speech. That just doesn't strike me as all that sincere.

September 15, 2009 at 8:27 a.m.
TEJANA said...

Thank you Alprova for that comment. Finally somebody notes that about immigrants.. A lot of people bash them all the time without taking in the fact that they hardly even send money home anymore. Not to long ago there was a article about it in the paper that in fact they are asking for money from home. There has been a huge drop in the money sent back due to economy. My fiance paid in almost $2k in taxes and he cant file for none of that. Same as my Brother in law and almost all my friends. Some people don't look at that. Yeah most of them are illegally here but they for the most part are very hard workers and abide to the same laws we do. Their children go to school just like American students and they work a lot of the jobs that people hate to work. I understand that there isn't enough jobs to go around but it shouldn't matter where they come from or what nationality they are. The fact is like Alprova said they are men, women, and children trying to have a better life! Just like us!

September 15, 2009 at 8:37 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Joe Wilson's ten minutes of fame are but a symptom of the devolution of civility that is taking place before our very eyes.Common courtesy is becoming less common.We are a'changin and not in a good way.

The political divide,the religious divide,the economic divide...these are all widening in an unhealthy way.The signs are everywhere;you don't have to look for them.

So how do we reverse a negative trend? Probably it will have to come from within...one person at a time deciding that civility and respect for others will build a better society.

September 15, 2009 at 8:42 a.m.
aces25 said...

I am disappointed this cartoon sank to this level. The longer this incident is beaten to the ground, the less focus will be on the task at hand (health care). I am so tired of the political "look over here." So what if this guy shouted inappropriately? Take the appropriate actions to determine discipline and move on. The world won't stop turning if Joe Wilson truly apologizes or not.

Too much corruption exists on Capital Hill today. Republicans in bed with major corporations, democrats in bed with powerful special interest groups... where does it all end? And the one's that are not corrupt are either ignored, called cowards, or are marginalized by the corrupted majority.

With regards to the illegals, I have heard from many politicians that the bill will not insure illegals. However, I would really like to see an explanation as to why democrats refuse to put a plain English clause in the bill that will say just that. So far, it has been more political two-step.

Illegals cause more problems than just health care. They are often accounted for in census information that impacts local, state, and federal funding. They give businesses an unfair advantage because they employ workers whose employment rights are forfeited, thus allowing any abuse acceptable by the illegal worker, such as pay below minimum wage. The business would then have less labor expenses. Many cases have also been seen where illegals who cannot find work often turn to crime.

There are many who are just honest people looking to make a living, but you do so in a manner that is in conjunction with the laws of the country. Many in my extended family were born overseas, but took the necessary steps to become US citizens under the law. It is not fair to them to watch others abuse the system and get away with it.

September 15, 2009 at 8:43 a.m.
aces25 said...

TEJANA said, "Yeah most of them are illegally here but they for the most part are very hard workers and abide to the same laws we do."

The point you make is a gross justification for illegal immigrants. Even if they abide by the law, the law is not theirs to abide because the law only applies to those who are here legally. The law is only there to protect who are under it, not to justify those who are not.

September 15, 2009 at 8:57 a.m.
Lightnup said...

Alprova stated incorrectly: "The proof as that our President is not a liar has been posted in black and white, is still online, and can be read by everyone. It's obvious that some people have no comprehension skills. It's easy to spot these people too. These are the people who never quote any language from the proposed legislation to make their points. They simply make wild and unsubstantiated arguments."

Until last Friday, two days after Obama's address, there was NO provision in the house bill for confirming nationality. None. It was agreed upon and added Friday, the 11th. Obama was not being truthful with the citizens in his address on Wednesday, the 9th. Period.

September 15, 2009 at 9:07 a.m.
Lightnup said...

TEJANA said, "Yeah most of them are illegally here but they for the most part are very hard workers and abide to the same laws we do."

Wonderful. He burglarized my home, but he didn't hurt the dog and he closed the door on the way out, so that makes it okay.

Illegal means "Against the law, not legal." I think I'll become an illegal red light runner. Since I work hard and follow all the rest of the laws, it shouldn't be a problem for me to cruise through red lights.

September 15, 2009 at 9:14 a.m.
Lightnup said...

EaTn wrote: "Some may think it was cute, funny or appropriate but most in this country feel it was totally out of place."

Well, DUH. Everybody thinks it was out of place, even Joe Wilson agrees it was out of place and apologized to the President for it. The left, however, in their fervor to hit back in any silly way they can, just can't let it go. How silly to waste precious time on the floor of the house debating whether to do a vote of "disapproval." Bunch of babies. Didn't see the Repubs voting to disapprove all the Dems who were booing Bush during his address.

And speaking of double standards, anyone who saw the crude and racist caption of "hoein the garden" under a picture of Michelle Obama working in her White house garden that Bill Maher created for his show should be outraged. Where's Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP? Oh, wait. I forgot, Joe Wilson is a racist merely because he doesn't agree with the President, but those on the left, even with evidence to the contrary, can't possibly be racists because they agree with the President. If Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck showed a photo of Michelle Obama working in her garden and captioned it "Hoein the Garden." They would be picketing outside FOX News right this minute. Talk about a double standard.

September 15, 2009 at 9:27 a.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Joe Wilson is a hero for calling POTUS out on his ridiculous assertions, regardless of the forum. Cheers went up in livingrooms and dens all across this country when Wilson spoke out.

The leftist media are trying to do the same thing to him they have done to "Joe the Plumber", and Sarah Palin. MUST DESTROY AT ALL COSTS. "The One" must not be questioned.

If more Repubs and Dems alike grew a pair and were prepared to call each other out, national politicians on both sides of the aisle wouldn't feel so comfortable standing before the American people and intentionally misleading them. Joe Wilson makes a clanging sound when he walks.


I'd pay $1000 to see those looks on POTUS's and TWWOTW's faces again. They were astounded that anyone would dare to point out the lack of clothing on the Emperor.

September 15, 2009 at 9:50 a.m.
rolando said...

Actually, the Left's continual harping about Wilson's shout is helping the man to retain his seat. The money just keeps pouring in, $25 at a time.

Thanks. Keep it up.

The House should chastise Wilson the same way they chastised those on the Left who loudly [and often] booed Bush during his address. Oh, that's right...Dems never condemn Dems. My bad.

September 15, 2009 at 9:55 a.m.
redbearded said...

If "H" intends to "call em out" when people make false statements, why does he not expect everybody else to call him a liar when he does? A double standard in the presidency that cannot be tolerated.

September 15, 2009 at 9:56 a.m.
moonpie said...

Scotty, I knew it was bad, but I think it's somewhat shocking that Republicans like you would be so desperate for ANY hero that they would look to someone like Joe Wilson, who's comment had no basis in fact, only basis in fear.

I can understand defending him to a point. I have done so myself. But hero?

Is this really who Republicans aspire to be? Is this really the type of person Republicans think can guide them back to prosperity?

He was the only state legislator to vote to keep the Confederate Flag flying high over the South Carolina Capital.

While I applaud him for sticking up for his principles, if Republicans want to attract the majority of voters, they DO NOT need to run to outliers in their own party. That is a recipe for further alienation from the majority of the voters.

They need voices of reason. They need voices like aces25, who posts here. They need a steady hand, not a Confederate-flag-waving Son of the Confederacy. That may play well here in the slave states, but not with the vast middle.

September 15, 2009 at 10:40 a.m.
dtsDadof6 said...

"90% of all Americans have had their taxes cut!"

September 15, 2009 at 10:56 a.m.
nativecitizen said...

The illegals might be hard workers, but they are still ILLEGALLY. If they want what we have, let them enter the country legally. As for Dear Leader, he is a typical politican when he says no illegals will be covered, he just didn't tell the country he is going to make all the illegals legal, therefore he didn't lie. LOL. Mr. Wilson should be accountable to the voters of his State, if they have no problem with him, the masses should not either.

September 15, 2009 at 11:10 a.m.
hamsandwich said...

I suppose ole Puddin'head Bennett meant the cartoon as some kind of insult. Fact is Obama has lied and continues to lie. That the dems want to formally kick Joe's @$$ show them to be out of touch with reality and willing to waste time instead of doing meaningful work.
BTW - didn't Joe Biden brag about calling GW Bush a liar??? And where was the outrage over that??

September 15, 2009 at 11:21 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

so Moonpie, are you saying that the minority is now the majority? If so, then maybe we should start doing away with all the extra programs designed for them.

Just a thought.

September 15, 2009 at 11:22 a.m.
miraweb said...

Funny how people "get" disciplining someone in sports (Serena Williams?) for bad behavior. We seem pretty OK with someone being taken off the field for violating the rules of conduct on the ballfield because we know that otherwise, there would be no game.

I read through some of the House rules for conduct. Something I'm guessing Joe Wilson never had time to do. Calling the president a number of specific things is out of bounds including, "liar", "draft-dodger", "cowardly", "a little bugger", making "a dishonest argument", and "arrogant."

It's a good read:

http://www.mirawebdesign.com/temp/house.txt

Some blogs could do with rules so complete.

September 15, 2009 at 11:33 a.m.
una61 said...

"Takes one to know one." I guess booing is O.K., which is what the Democrats did during Bush's speeches to Congress.

September 15, 2009 at 11:41 a.m.
SCOTTYM said...

moonpie,

I hear what you're saying, but I think you may have misunderstood the significance of Wilson's outburst.

A large, and growing portion of the population in this country have been hearing the same load of bull for years now, and are sick of it. Wilson called POTUS out when he was absolutely being untruthful. I assure you there were cheers all across the "vast middle".

The fact that someone who is normally as evenhanded as you are would attempt to paint Wilson as a racist only shows the magnitude of the shift that is happening. Too bad the race card is all worn out and is now ineffectual. We know who the real racists are in this country, and very few of them are "white conservative males".

The "vast middle" in this country are ready to have our leaders held accountable. If they can not do it amongst themselves, we will do it for them. Wilson, inadvertently I believe, has joined a growing chorus. We will no longer allow "civil discourse" to include lies and deceit. Those who attempt to spin and obfuscate, will be called out.

Sophistry and double speak will be met with jeers and derision, and no amount of media cover ups or misinformation can rescue the statist agenda at this point. The gig is up. If the leftward push continues, the next time a million or so Tea-Party members show up in D.C., we may be armed.

The current administration is well versed in the Alinsky(sp?) school of attaining power. Unfortunately for them, and fortunately for us, they have no clue as how to apply the power they have acquired, and are now flopping around like dying fish. It is only a matter of time until they realize the scale of their error, though from the look on POTUS's face when Wilson called him out, I'd guess he is getting a clue.

September 15, 2009 at 12:13 p.m.
miraweb said...

ScottyM --

That's kind of the point, isn't it. Wilson was upset because his party (the minority, you may recall -- who lost seats in the last election) didn't have enough votes to get the enforcement mechanism (a national ID card) they wanted.

The majority (remember them?) said no.

His reaction was that of a kindergartner, not a respected Member of Congress when his party (the minority party) didn't get their way.

Now - is there a middle ground between a hugely expensive national ID card for 365 million people (imagine going to a Federal DMV if you lost your card) to try and find some 12 million immigrants -- who have fake papers now -- and having no enforcement mechanism at all?

Of course there is.

But we won't have that real discussion by shouting "liar" like a school girl during a speech.

That's democracy kids.

September 15, 2009 at 12:25 p.m.
miraweb said...

Just a few more thoughts on a National ID Card - so you have a heart attack at 5 in the morning and they take you to the emergency room.

You didn't bring your wallet.

Should the emergency room deny you care until you can prove you are a citizen? Should they leave you in the waiting room until a clerk can connect with a government computer to see if you are on file?

That process didn't work very well with either Cash for Clunkers or even the "No Fly List."

Should everyone in the country be put through another waiting process for medical care?

That was what Wilson proposed.

If everyone has insurance then everyone will have an insurance card. The insurers can do quite a lot of checking without needing to set up another government bureaucracy and turn emergency doctors and nurses into INS agents.

We have people dying in waiting rooms now. Is this a process we really want to make more complicated?

This is the kind of discussion we can have when we talk about ideas instead of personalities. However, that doesn't play well on cable TV.

2c.

September 15, 2009 at 12:37 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

we do not have people dying or even turned away in the ER's around here in this town because they don't have insurance. It is against the law now and has been for quite sometime. They must be treated and at least stabilized. Then it is up to poeple like me to make sure they are insured in some kind of way or they just become a self pay and the hospital goes unpaid (we write it off as a loss). WE DON'T TURN PEOPLE AWAY AND THEY ARE NOT DYING IN THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT INSURED!!!

September 15, 2009 at 12:49 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

miraweb,

You make a few good points. If we want to get rid of the illegal alien problem, we need to send those who are here illegally back to wherever they came from.

If one shows up at the E.R. with a heart attack, one will be treated quickly under the existing system, I.D. or no.

"But we won't have that real discussion by shouting "liar" like a school girl during a speech."

Getting called out for misleading the nation is the price for doing so. Get over it. It's going to get worse.

"That's democracy kids."

Please bear in mind that the U.S. is not a democracy, it is a Constitutional republic. The difference is important.

September 15, 2009 at 1:04 p.m.
JohnnyRingo said...

Ironic that Joe Wilson voted for Bush's Medicare Reform Act that contained defining language requiring emergency rooms to treat people regardless of status.

Still, I was actually satsified that Boehner made Wilson call the President and appologise personally. I bet that was humiliating, and while I don't mind seeing him squirm, I don't want anymore attention on him for fear he'll become a health care martyr.

September 15, 2009 at 1:29 p.m.
moonpie said...

Scotty, I did not say Wilson is or was a racist. I simply pointed out that his vote and affiliations with the Sons of the Confederacy, and his behavior are not likely to play well with the people Republicans need to win back.

And where in the bill does it say we will provide health insurance to illegal aliens?

It was fear of a lie, not a lie, that triggered the outburst.

September 15, 2009 at 1:31 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

Scotty writes:

'Wilson called POTUS out when he was absolutely being untruthful. I assure you there were cheers all across the "vast middle".'

Could we agree that Wilson's outburst was, depending on audience viewpoint, "an opportunistic act" or "a politically astute act"?

My point would be that Wilson definitely understood that he was "live" on camera transmitting to viewers in South Carolina (prime target) and, yes, beyond.

Every politician in that chamber was performing with the same mindset. Recall the members' faces and postures as the camera panned over them at different moments. Wilson's transgression was that he shattered the mystifying veil of ceremony and made his self-interest blatant.

Perhaps I notice this performance aspect because I am hopelessly old-fashioned. I listened to the president's address live on the radio. Wilson's strategic outburst fell flat in that medium. I could not discern which voice among hundreds shouted, and I could not even tell who said what.

But on television Wilson's figure was quickly highlighted and framed, along with the vivid responses of the members in the chamber.

I do not know if I would rank Wilson's opportunism with the epochal live-on-camera showmanship of Joseph McCarthy or JFK in the 1960 Nixon-Kennedy debates. But the performance is interesting and noteworthy.

September 15, 2009 at 2:18 p.m.
rolando said...

This will be a bit deep so those with a short attention span should skip over it now.

There are several ways to analyze fed.gov operations, most depend on the level of the analyzer. The first way -- the only way I will discuss -- considers it as a large jig-saw puzzle. There are two ways, in general, to assemble this puzzle; by color/design or by individual shape. One is subservient to the other; although changing methods is possible.

The color/design folks assemble large blocks, fitting them into the whole as the design shows.

The shape people work from the known to the unknown, fitting pieces together one at a time independent of the other pieces. They could assemble the puzzle face down. Both methods, incidentally, get the job done.

Dear Leader is one of the color/design folks; he makes long-range plans using separate "blocks" to reach his goal. One may say his healthcare plan disallows illegal aliens from receiving non-emergency health care...they would probably be right...it probably says that somewhere in there. But they would also be wrong, regardless of the design of the individual "blocks", since they are putting the puzzle together one piece at a time, refusing to see the whole.

Dear Leader has a master plan where each "block" is put in place before the next is even mentioned. He was correct saying no illegals allowed...because the next "block" -- or the next or the next -- includes the kicker; there will no longer be any "illegal aliens" in the country since he [Dear Leader] and the Congress will pass the Immigration Reform Act aka Amnesty for All Act, thereby making his statement true. Everyone will become "legal" the moment they step across the border. Or words to that effect.

Nothing really complicated there...if Alinsky could understand it and put it in place, anyone can, especially his students.

September 15, 2009 at 3:34 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

moonpie,

Your comment about the Confederate flag/Sons of the Conf. struck me as an implied call of racism. I'm sure you can see the connection. Of course you could simply have been pointing out the intolerance of southern culture by other parts of the country.

"And where in the bill does it say we will provide health insurance to illegal aliens?"

Funny you say that. The Dems defeated amendments that would specifically exclude illegals. We all understand how things get stretched for everyone's "welfare". Any persons not specifically excluded will be included. It is a lie to say otherwise. POTUS knows this and said it anyway, thinking no one would dare to call him out.


InspectorB.,

I was watching the speech with the family and had no idea who had made the statement until the next day. I don't recall which channel the TV was set to as we use whichever is coming across the airwaves the clearest on any particular day(digital broadcast is for the birds). There was no shot of Wilson shown on the broadcast I saw.

I could be wrong but, I doubt it was calculated on the part of Wilson, it seemed to me to be more of a spontaneous outburst.

POTUS's preceding rhetoric was almost a dare, Wilson took him up on it. God knows I was saying the same thing under my breath.

September 15, 2009 at 3:42 p.m.
Lightnup said...

The world is a safer place now, people can sleep in peace tonight. Joe has now been officially "disapproved." Thank God (or whomever you would like to thank) that the non-vindictive Democratic leadership took time out from continually blocking any Republican attempts to insert into the healthcare bill the provisions that Obama has lied about already being in there, in order to deal with the grave threat to liberty and world order caused by Joe Wilson. Nothing like having one's priorities straight.

September 15, 2009 at 6:05 p.m.
moonpie said...

Scotty, you are correct. I was referring to the way many people view the South. They do not understand how people could ever defend flying a confederate flag over a capital. A few years from now, I think even some people who once saw nothing wrong with it will see the downsides.

As for the slave states comment, perhaps that was too much of a personal inside joke. Emo Phillips, the commedian, once said something like, "For hospitality, there is no place like the slave states.". Since then a group of my friends outside the south will ask me how things are in the slave states.

It's part gest, part actual perception.

September 15, 2009 at 6:12 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

Thanks for the eye-witness testimony, Scotty:

"There was no shot of Wilson shown on the broadcast I saw. I could be wrong but, I doubt it was calculated on the part of Wilson, it seemed to me to be more of a spontaneous outburst."

That is a valuable clarification. On radio, I heard the identification later, again and again and again.

I still would venture that any experienced politician worth re-election knows precisely what news-cycle attention would be gathered by such an outburst.

That news-cycle attention can be negative, and that news-cycle attention can be positive.

Wilson is raising money in South Carolina and gaining attention nationally. Seen from a certain cynical but realist perspective, that is positive.

The timing of the outburst matters, here in the days of tea parties and a march on Washington.

Place also matters. The state of origin for the disruptive representative is significant. If you are from South Carolina, your outburst in reaction to the first black president from Illinois will be applauded and booed and tested and interpreted in a certain way, willy-nilly.

I do not claim that anyone who identifies with Representative Wilson is racist--far from it.

But his act will have great resonance with that crowd, in all of its varieties.

Just as anti-Wilson sentiment will resonate with certain other constituencies courted as I type by certain Democratic members of congress. Cf.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27172.html

Opportunism comes in all forms, and the clear of eye can see it.

To deny this point about South Carolina is to pretend that the old stories no longer have power.

Preston Brooks.
Charles Sumner.
Fort Sumter. Abe Lincoln.
James Strom Thurmond. John McCain vs. George Bush (2000)

It is a Southern Thing.

If you are a Southerner, white or black, you get it.

This Texan, descended from slave-owning families in South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, gets it.

Clay Bennett born in Clinton, South Carolina, seems to get it, but I will allow him to pitch in as he will.

I have been reconsidering William Faulkner's pronouncement, post-2008 election and now post-Wilson incident.

"The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past."

The millenarianism promoted during the last inauguration now sounds to me willfully naive.

The "wrong side of history" may still be in debate.

September 15, 2009 at 6:16 p.m.
aces25 said...

It will be interesting to see the "Vote of Disapproval" in 2010.

September 15, 2009 at 9:13 p.m.
Clara said...

Again, I state my ignorance. Sorry! I haven't been around to join the discussion and have no idea what President Obama said that brought on the tirade by Wilson.

Could someone please take the time to tell me? Thank you.

September 15, 2009 at 9:14 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

Here 'tis, Clara:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-to-a-Joint-Session-of-Congress-on-Health-Care/

There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms -- the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: You lie! (Boos.)

THE PRESIDENT: It's not true.

September 15, 2009 at 9:52 p.m.
miraweb said...

It true that the law is that hospitals are required to see you and stabilize you in a life-threatening emergency. They are not required to follow-up with you and they are free to send you the bill, even if they write it off. When they write it off, they get a tax break (slightly different rules for non-profits), and they increase the costs to everyone else. These rules came into play because a fair number of hospitals were shipping people around in ambulances if they were uninsured and people were dying. IHC in Salt Lake had a case where a woman came in from an auto accident, was stabilized, and a pin was inserted. They refused to follow-up with her (they are non-profit) and she later removed the pin at home and had major complications. It's only been a year since Esmin Green died at King County Hospital from blood clots after sitting in the waiting room unchecked for over 24 hours. Your hospital may be better. Not everyone is so lucky.

So - illegal immigrants. If they can somehow obtain false papers and insurance, the insurer will pay for their care. If they do not, then you and I will pay for their care with cost shifting and tax write offs. No free lunch on this one.

September 15, 2009 at 10:15 p.m.
ricardo said...

Joe Wilson = Kanye West

September 15, 2009 at 11:03 p.m.
Lightnup said...

ricardo wrote: "Joe Wilson = Kanye West"

Oh, that's a fun game. How about, Barack Obama = Bernie Madoff.

September 16, 2009 at 12:54 a.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Lightnup,

LOL!!

September 16, 2009 at 1:01 a.m.
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