published Thursday, April 15th, 2010

Militia-mania

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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nucanuck said...

Surging carry permits,militias,deepening political divides,corrupt big banksters,government statistics that aren't believeable...we don't know what is happening,but we are pretty sure it isn't good.

Of all the problems before us,I can't think of one that could be made better by a militia.

April 15, 2010 at 1:09 a.m.
JohnnyRingo said...

This situation used to be called a "Mexican Stand off", but now that would add involvement of the Minutemen.

April 15, 2010 at 6:20 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

When I was in 9th grade I focused on "well regulated" in the 2nd Amendment, but when I became a man I put away childish things and focused on 'necessary to the security of a free state.' The theory was that when the citizenry as a whole (not some little conspiracy or nut group) can outgun the government if it has to, it won't have to. So the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that's the deal. I suspect Queen Elizabeth might perhaps rule better (less liberally) than President Obama, but for what it's worth, I think she's still the titular ruler of Canada, and the (somewhat) free state down here elected our own man. I think the left fears small-group militias too much, and the far right hopes in them too much. Mostly harmless; not completely (if we trust the news, one broken up recently was planning to murder people.) The deaths at Ruby Ridge and Waco could've been prevented by leaving those extreme groups alone. The well-researched book's title MORE GUNS LESS CRIME teaches a fact most liberals don't like to face (the "Pink Pistols," gun-toting homosexuals, perhaps an exception.) If the Founding Fathers were alive today, they might consider the present government worth revolting against by the standards of the Declaration of Independence. If the abolitionists were alive today, they might consider some modern tax rates as slavery: if governments take over half of what some people earn, are those people slaves?

April 15, 2010 at 6:29 a.m.
Jhenry said...

I doubt one person that clicks on this cartoon could find a militia to join in the tri-state area if they wanted to. Yes. There are militias. Are they "springing" up all over the place? No. There the favorite punching bag of the left. The left is feeling cornered and they need a bogey man. Enter "Right Wing Christian" militias. Remember back some months ago when Big Sis was warning us all about our returning service men and women and how they were to be feared? Just like Big Sis, Clay is full of BS.

April 15, 2010 at 8:42 a.m.
Jhenry said...

There, They're, Their. Whatever.

April 15, 2010 at 8:43 a.m.
Clara said...

I wrote a comment in the early A.M. but it didn't appear. My blood sugar is acting up and it was probably a mess.

However, Jhenry, I believe your statemnet about the "militias" is wrong, but I'll have to get back on that.

April 15, 2010 at 11:43 a.m.
Clara said...

Jhenry,

This is for starters:

http://www.hsaj.org/?fullarticle=2.2.3

April 15, 2010 at 11:58 a.m.
Clara said...

And this from Wikipedia:

Active militia movement groups, 2009 United States militia groups, 2009[18] Milita group name State, county or locale 2nd Alabama Militia Alabama, Mobile Alabama Shoals Badgers Alabama, Tuscumbia Alaska Citizens Militia Alaska, Nikiski Arizona Citizens Militia Arizona, Douglas Arizona Militia Arizona, Glendale Cochise County Militia Arizona, Tombstone Northern Arizona Militia Arizona, Flagstaff Militia of Washington County Arkansas, Fayetteville American Armenian Militia California, Los Angeles/San Fernando Valley Area Northern California State Militia California, Falcon Creek State of California Unorganized Militia California, Monrovia Minutemen Militia Colorado, Fort Collins Florida Free Alliance Florida, Nokomis Florida Free Militia Florida, Palm Coast Georgia Militia Georgia, Chatham County Militia of Georgia Georgia, Lawrenceville Militia Recruiting Command Georgia, Columbus Idaho Citizens Constitutional Militia Idaho, statewide North Idaho Light Foot Militia Idaho, Bonner County 135th Illinois Volunteer Cavalry Illinois, statewide Illinois State Militia (Unorganized) 167th Battalion, 21st FF Illinois, statewide Indiana Citizens Volunteer Militia, 3rd Brigade Indiana, Tippecanoe County Indiana Constitutional Militia Illinois, statewide Indiana Militia Corps Illinois, Ingalls Indiana Sedentary Militia Illinois, Hendricks County Indiana's Greene County Militia Illinois, Greene County Indiana State Militia 14th Regiment Illinois, Owen County Kansas State Militia Kansas, Wichita 1st Joint Public Militia Kentucky, Bowling Green Kentucky State Militia - Ohio Valley Command Kentucky, Louisville Louisiana Militia Louisiana, statewide Louisiana Unorganized Militia Louisiana, Abbeville Maine Constitutional Militia Maine, statewide Southern Sons of Liberty Maryland, statewide Delta 5 Mobile Light Infantry Militia Michigan, Eaton County East-Central Volunteer Militia of Michigan Michigan, Lapeer County Hutaree Militia Michigan, Southern Jackson County Volunteers Michigan, Jackson County Lenawee County Free and Independent Militia Michigan, Adrian Michigan Militia Michigan, Redford Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines 8th Division Michigan, South Central Michigan Patriot Alliance Michigan, 20 Counties Northern Michigan Backyard Protection Militia Michigan, Northern Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia Michigan, 13 Counties West Michigan Volunteer Militia Michigan, Muskegon County Minnesota Militia/Army of Mississippi Minnesota, St. Cloud Constitution Defense Militia of Attala County (CDMAC) Mississippi, Attala County East Central Mississippi Militia Mississippi, East Central Missouri Militia Missouri, Kansas City

April 15, 2010 at 12:13 p.m.
Clara said...

Continued:

Militia of Montana Montana, Noxon New Hampshire Patriot Militia New Hampshire, statewide United States Constitution Rangers New Hampshire, West Lebanon New Jersey Militia New Jersey, Trenton Wolfpack Militia New Jersey, statewide Empire State Militia 11th Field Force New York, Northwestern North Carolina Citizens Militia North Carolina, Charlotte Constitutional Militia of Clark County Ohio, Clark County Northeastern Ohio Defense Force 3BN Ohio, Lisbon Northwestern Ohio Defense Force 4BN Ohio, Kenton Ohio Defense Force State Headquarters Ohio, Zanesville Ohio Militia Ohio, statewide Southeastern Ohio Defense Force 3rd Platoon Ohio, Belmont County Southwestern Ohio Defense Force 5BN Ohio, Lebanon Unorganized Militia of Champaign County Ohio, St. Paris Oregon Militia Corps Oregon, statewide Southern Oregon Militia Oregon, Eagle Point Keystone Freedom Fighters Pennsylvania, Gettysburg East Tennessee Militia Tennessee, East American Patriots for Freedom Foundation Texas, Spring Central Texas Militia Texas, Central Texas Well Regulated Militia Texas, Edwards County Hutaree Militia?[19] Utah, statewide Militia of Northeastern Utah[19] Utah, Vernal Virginia Citizens Militia Virginia, Roanoke Grays Harbor Civilian Defense Force Washington, Grays Harbor Kitsap County WA Militia Washington, Kitsap County Washington State Militia Washington, statewide

April 15, 2010 at 12:32 p.m.
Clara said...

And there are probably more, not yet listed!

April 15, 2010 at 12:36 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Clara,

If every able-bodied adult citizen (about 200 million give or take) was fulfilling the ideals of the founders by participating in a well regulated (i.e. well trained and organized with a command structure) militia, there would be about (200m/79) 2.5 million members in each of those groups you've listed.

Do you think there are that many in each group?

Isn't it more likely that there are only about 3-5% of the population who take their responsibilities as citizens seriously. (9-15 million individuals)

Isn't it also very likely that most of these folks aren't attached to a regular militia and merely practice and train with like minded friends with out the formalities?

Between 9 and 15 million. That's a lot of folks with serious firepower, and a willingness to fight and die for their own liberty and that of future generations.


Just another thought...

The founders would look favorably upon most of these militias. (Some are sort of like cults) They would likely NOT look very favorably upon our militarized police forces. They would not likely look favorably upon our large tax burden. They would not likely look favorably upon Congresscritters who do not know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, and who know very little about either.

In short, the only people who need to fear "militias" are those for which militias are the anti-dote, that is overbearing, Constitution ignoring, government functionaries.

April 15, 2010 at 4:58 p.m.
Clara said...

SCOTTYM,

I was answering Jhenry's claim that you couldn't find a militia in the tri-state area. There are currently over 800 groups in the U.S., even more than the list shows.

I would like to get rid of the politicians, bureaucrats, lobbyists, and hangers-on in government that are actively undercutting our form of government, but I don't believe, along with Nuckanuck, that militias are the answer.

It is up to us, the people.

I have been treated with arrogance and disdain by bureaucrats at high levels, office staff, self-proclaimed experts, and ignored as unimportant. We have a right to peacefully protest.

I do this here.

I ask and hope that SOME ONE will understand peaceful and non-violent protest. It happened in the 60's, and equal rights for blacks was implemented, although the holdouts are still around.

I also remember stepping out of a building on the mall, back then, and being told by a government flunky that I'd better be careful, because all the Viet-Nam Vets were killers and my life was in danger.

Oh, well!

I'm not feeling too spiffy, what with a bug, or something.

I think I'll fall back in bed.

Good talking!

April 15, 2010 at 6:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I don't find the militias a problem. I do find the hate groups a problem; Tennessee has quite a few:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map#s=TN

The militias are not associated with these, but some of these are quasi-military and it is easy to confuse them.

April 15, 2010 at 6:13 p.m.

Personally, most of us will be real thankful if and when we need that 'extra' protection someday or someone watching our backs for us. It sure ain't going to be the Gov't, their paid, politically whipped lackeys or in many cases, the Gov't's police forces. I'm glad there are many good citizens in this country who care about their country and its people enough to defend them. This is what it USED to be like for the most part.

As for the corrupt Militias, they'll self-destruct like the Hutarees did and get caught with their pants down. People here conveniently forget there are also Black Militias, (Louis Farrakhan's is one of the worst and most dangerous in the US, yet not a peep about them from Obama's lapdogs), Latino/Central/South American militias/cartels/mafioso, Japanese 'mafia' (Hawaii), Chinese 'mafia' lords and gangs in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and in many American cities. Not to mention the many terror-supporting cells operating and growing in the Muslim community, tended by their mullahs, all over North America. I know, I grew up in many of those cities where intimidation was (and is) N. America's dirty little secret.

I was there during the sixties. Many protests were NOT peaceful. Obama's and Eric Holder's friends like William Ayers, the Pentagon bomber, and the Black Panthers were committing horrible acts of violence. Timothy Leary was stoned on LSD all the time and telling everyone else to 'protest', which usually meant trashing others property and fighting the police (whom they called "Pigs"), demanding their rights and singing crazy songs like "someday we'll all be the Kings..". These are the ones in Progressive power nowadays, in both Parties. How reassuring that is. How it figures.

Now the old and new Hippies (Lefties) call all corporations "evil capitalist pigs" and hold up rich, powerful, corrupt Unions as their gods, along with an Administration full of their Comrade-in-arms. As the old addage goes: what goes around, comes around..it sure does

**Nothing like whipping up the frenzies of the Media complex and their rapt followers against the Tea Partiers and the horrible White Militias. Maybe we'll look the other way while Obama and Co. is signing another edict directing his Generals and their commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan to "retrain" our soldiers (100,000) to be glorified social workers when confronting the poor misunderstood Terrorists. They will not be able to do what soldiers do, attack and kill the enemy. So, who will be killed? Whose best, most courageous in America? Who will defend us and our southern borders? Interesting.....

April 15, 2010 at 8:43 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

FYI, canary, the link I provided listed Nation of Islam (a black separatist group) as well as neo-nazis, KKK etc. Hate goes in both directions.

April 15, 2010 at 8:51 p.m.

Sure, sure. You provide a link, I say the words that need to be said. Of course hate is coming from all sides, that's my point in the post above and exactly the point most of the media and WH do NOT address.

For your information....you rarely, if ever, like carlb, show both sides of an issue and all the evil deeds being done to the American people.

April 15, 2010 at 8:59 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Just a quick question-who is WH?

As for showing both sides, I rarely engage in most issues, because I don't know enough to do so. I was making the observation from a neutral standpoint, so let's not get testy.

April 15, 2010 at 9:06 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Clara,

I love ya, but...

You posted a link to a far left, government propaganda page, which is under the direct control of the Executive Branch of the Federal Government, and airs out some VERY unusual theological ideologies. These twisted visions of the world are then projected upon all "right wing militia" types, rendering them a "lunatic fringe" in the minds of the average reader.

You then, I presume, copy/pasted a good sized list of well known(?) militia groups, some from as far away as Washington, Oregon, etc. which you found on Wikipedia?

And you say you were giving a reference about militia groups in the tri-state area? Michigan? Montana? Idaho? Colorado? I could keep going. Yes there were some from the tri-state area. Some.

Now there are 800?

Honestly, that was kinda my point. The ones we see on TV and on the "news" are a tiny fraction of the total number of folks who are standing in reserve, hiding in plain sight, ready to live up to those crazy "right-wing" ideals embedded within our founding documents.

I hear your grievances at the hands of government officials, and being an empowering supervisor and direct employer of those folks, I personally apologize. That's all I can do for you here. That said, I ask, are these grievances being resolved by your use of the soapbox?

Has the ballot box fixed the problem, or have the delusional masses, fat on the .gov gravy train, messed that one up as well?

When will you know that enough is enough? Will you know, or will you just lay down and die when a bureaucrat places his boot upon your neck?

Nearly all of these "right-wing" "militia" types have no interest in controlling others or capturing the POWER. They just want to be left unmolested by a tyrannical Federal Juggernaut, and understand that there is a breaking point beyond which fed.gov will spiral into a much more harsh master.

The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution for a reason. It's not there just to keep the Canadians honest.

April 15, 2010 at 10:40 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Ik,

WH= Executive Branch fed.gov.

FWIW($0.015), and not to put words in canary's mouth, it is plainly obvious that most of the media is nothing but a mouthpiece for the POWER in D.C.

They've betrayed their duty to question and investigate the claims of the Government.


Yes, there is hate from both sides. To think that it is distributed equally from both the left and the right is pure kool-aide and requires a strong shot of projection.

April 15, 2010 at 10:52 p.m.
Clara said...

SCOTTYM,

Hitler was only one person! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There are not 800+ groups in the tri-stateo-area, but overall in the United States.

I regret not being able to find the reference again. It was part of another long production on the site I visited, just a vague condensed reference in a paragraph.

I did find the SPLC site, but also found mostly a harangue against it by far-right wingers when I Googled it. I finally found the Wikipedia site discussing it.

I'm far from being far left.

I also remember the quiet group of Quakers that marched on the Poor Peoples March.

I stick to the INDIVIDUAL'S propensity for ignorance and hate. Only two "groups" threatened my space...once to steal my camera, which was foiled by another black, although it resulted in a broken finger. The other was a group of one woman and three men who tried to lure me into a dark corner of the encampment...at night.

I met with nothing but tolerance, but suspicion,and sometimes manipulation by people on the Poor People's March.

The Viet Nam War was another issue.

Since then, I've been just as poor as some of them.

April 16, 2010 at 11:50 a.m.
una61 said...

The TFP makes no mention of the child molestation trial in Calhoun. Why?

April 16, 2010 at 7:49 p.m.
Oz said...

una61...this is a good link for trial coverage.

http://williamlanderson.blogspot.com/

April 16, 2010 at 10:10 p.m.
rolando said...

Hey! I just noticed! Clay's cartoon shows not one poster of Che! How about that?

BTW, Clara... We, the people are this country's militia. That word is bandied about a bit too much. There is a movement afoot within the Misled Media and in some areas of fed.gov to turn the word and the groups into something evil...into something like today's WH.

The groups, in general, are anything but.

Did you add another "militia" group to Wikipedia? You can, you know...anyone can. Just make up something. That's the problem with the site. People do that.

April 16, 2010 at 10:20 p.m.
rolando said...

My God, Oz. If only one-quarter of that is accurate and complete, I am speechless. They are riding roughshod over a document I spent 40 years defending. I weep.

In my years of background investigative case review, I have read many such accounts of overzealous police detectives prompting children and coaching them on how to answer questions on Daddy's or Uncle's or a stranger's actions in "touching" them. Child Protective Services femiNazi's are as bad or worse [there is no better word to describe them. The best that can be said is they DO try their best...at times].

Never have I seen it in action...it is sickening. Literally sickening.

April 16, 2010 at 10:44 p.m.
Oz said...

Rolando...This is another link: http://www.truthfortonya.com/

I don't know anyone connected to this story. I became aware of it through talk radio and started to do a little research. It is sickening.

April 16, 2010 at 11:03 p.m.
Clara said...

Oz,

I went through the site and blog. Very disturbing, but not surprising.

I just came from the New York Times. Of course this is off-topic, but I think it is important.

BAD!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/us/18border.html?pagewanted=1&ref=global-home

April 17, 2010 at 5:02 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Where has it been revealed that this administration intends to remove the right to keep and bear arms?

April 17, 2010 at 5:48 p.m.
Clara said...

Thank you, Ikeithlu!

April 17, 2010 at 6:30 p.m.

Actually Clay, you are right... mostly.

There are evil militias "out there," and there are legal and lawful ones, organized by citizens. Our purpose at is to help you sort them out.

Citizens have legal and lawful authority from The Consitution of Tennessee State, and The United States Constitution (and from common law and custom dating back to antiquity) to form militias.

The United States Supreme Court recently weighed in on this issue.. and make no mistake, this IS a boxing match, and has been since day one.

Here is what Andrew Jackson wrote in 1812 when asking for volunteers here in Tennessee: "We are going to fight for the reestablishment of our national character, misunderstood and vilified at home and abroad; for the protection of our... citizens."

In the 2008 decision of the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller, the de jure (real/actual/legal) definition of "militia" as used in United States jurisprudence was discussed. The court's opinion made explicit, in its obiter dicta that the term "militia", as used in colonial times in this originalist decision, included both the federally-organized militia and the citizen-organized militias of the several States:"

In other words, the Supreme Court requires Citizen Organized Militias.

"The governor (Tennessees), having called forth the militia into active service, is authorized to disband it, in whole or in part, as public interest and safety require, unless otherwise required (emphasis ours) by the government of the United States."

Our point? Tennessee's Governor can disband (stop funding and providing direct oversight) any militia he/she calls into service, but he/she cannot disband a well organized Citizen Militia acting in a lawful manner, lawful meaning Citizen Militias can doe nothing which conflicts with Tennessee Law contained in the Public Acts Chapter 159 of 1887 which enabled the National Guard, State of Tennessee. In the past, Tennessee State has relied solely on Chartered Volunteer Militia Companies, and the enabling for those military organizations is still valid. The charters may still be issued here in Tennessee just as charters for Volunteer Fire Brigades are. The two concepts, Volunteer Fire Brigades and Volunteer Militia Companies, are very similar.

We The People have a right to assemble, to freely associate, and to bear arms. In the past, Tennessee State has relied solely on Chartered Volunteer Militia Companies, and the enabling Public Acts for those military organizations, abandoned but unrepealed, are still valid for use by citizens.

We know whereof we speak. We exercise our 1st amendment rights to correct anyone who disputes these historic and legal facts.

Come spend some time at http://TennesseeMilitia.com and you just might learn some thing you didn't know!

You can also visit Challenge.gov and read our submission to Homeland Security at http://challenge.gov/challenges/87/submissions/2125

January 30, 2011 at 3:36 p.m.
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