published Monday, August 23rd, 2010

Letters to the Editor

What’s good reason to deny marriage?

I have never had anyone give me an answer to this question: Name one nonreligious reason that can be used in a secular court of law to deny same-sex marriage.

No red herring arguments about someone trying to marry an animal, children under the legal age of consent, or family members. Forget about churches “forced” to marry gays. The separation of church and state goes both ways. As far as I know, the Catholic Church can still refuse to serve communion to non-Catholics or to marry non-Catholics or divorced couples. Polygamy is a separate issue. If a group of polygamists want to challenge the laws banning polygamy, that is their right as citizens.

AULCIE SMITH

Add signatures to recall list

The Aug. 10 Chattanooga Times editorial, “A recall rift to avoid,” nipped at the heels of the 6,000th recall signature of Chattanooga citizens who are now asking fundamental questions about our city’s mayor.

Is the mayor encouraging the good things in our city, and is he against the bad things in our city?

Raising these taxes and fees directly harms the good things of the city — real estate sales, home ownership, business growth, and the budgets of churches and nonprofits. The government’s role is to encourage the good things, not harm them.

Gangs. Last summer, the mayor falsely accused a church and tried to shut down the church’s downtown ministry. Later, when Chattanooga gang activity continued, the mayor acted as if gangs didn’t exist. Government is to encourage the good and fight against the bad. As a reminder, churches are good; gangs are bad.

Regarding the number of votes needed — instead of casting our line out to snag the red herring, let’s cast our vote and catch ourselves a keeper.

Yesterday, we had more than 9,500 signatures. As responsible adults and citizens of Chattanooga, we “are called to do better.” Let’s make it 15,000.

JASON MITCHELL

Homosexuals deserve rights

I am writing this letter in regard to the letters I’ve read in a couple of editions of this newspaper.

I have noticed how people are taking offense to offering homosexuals the same rights others take for granted. We are not trying to take anything away; we just want equal rights. I want to feel secure in the knowledge that if I am unable to let my last wishes be known, my fiancee can do it for me.

I am a productive member of this society. I have a job, I pay taxes and I frequently pray to God, yet I have to go to another state to make my commitment legal.

I don’t need a word like marriage to define my commitment. I don’t care what you call it, we just want rights.

MEISHA CONLEY

Hixson

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fairmon said...

Failuere to recall means we can all send the mayor a debit card so he can withdraw from our banking account any time he desires. That is essentially what he and his puppet council did.

August 23, 2010 at 4:26 a.m.
Love4America said...

The one good reason gays should not be legally married. How do you expect to reproduce? Without children the human race will die. Nature made you normal, your mind has it confused. Go to the doctor and get help. You can't change the laws of nature with all the liberal judges in the world.

August 23, 2010 at 12:59 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Love4America,

I guess that means that infertile couples are not allowed to marry. Neither are women past menopause. Oh, and choosing not to have kids? Well, that's out. It's your duty to reproduce. In a world that is 6 billion strong and growing exponentially, that's a responsible attitude to take.

August 23, 2010 at 1:12 p.m.
xsiveporsche said...

I think gays shuld be allowed a civil union but not allowed to Marry. That shouldd be reserved for one man and one woman. But Gays should be allowed the right of a civil union and if one state honors it then all states should honor it.

August 23, 2010 at 1:36 p.m.
CowWhisperer said...

One nonreligious reason that can be used in a secular court of law to deny same-sex marriage is that the law does not recognize same-sex marriage. For a court to grant same-sex marriage, the law must allow it. The law does not.

As for the person who claims she is only seeking equal rights, she already has them. She has the same right to marry as every other person does. If she chooses not to marry and engage in relations with a person of the same sex, why should the law grant her special privileges? Why should the law be changed to endorse aberrant behavior.

Underlying this entire argument is the unstated contention that society can not decide that certain choices are wrong and illegal. When stated that plainly, the statement is absurd. Murder is wrong and illegal. Theft is wrong and illegal.

Some things are wrong like adultery, but not punished as illegal (even if still technically illegal in some places). Proponents argue that homosexuality is not wrong. People may also argue that adultery is not wrong, or fornication is not wrong. However, are people, and a majority of society, allowed to say that adultery is wrong and fornication is wrong? Yes.

Under current constitutional interpretation, society is not allowed to use the law to punish adultery and fornication. Homosexuals enjoy the same protection since sodomy laws have been declared unconstitutional. What homosexual marriage proponents are asking for is not freedom from lawful punishment, but for the law to extend them unusual benefits. They argue that no one has any basis to disagree with these benefits.

Should adulterers and fornicators be given unusual lawful benefits simply because they fornicate? Should homosexuals?

Heterosexual marriage is different, because it benefits society. Homosexual marriage not only offers society no benefit, but actually offends a majority of its members. Homosexuals claim to be asking for the same rights everyone else enjoys, but they already do. They have the same right to marry as anyone else. What they actually want is a special benefit for immoral behavior and the outlawing of any beliefs that disagree with their immorality.

August 23, 2010 at 1:57 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Wrong, Cow. Gays do not have the right to marry in all states, and if they marry, their marriage is not recognized by some states. This is unconstitutional.

Your comparison with adultery (and fornication-define that please?) is incorrect, because adultery is a behavior, not a legal contract.

August 23, 2010 at 2:11 p.m.
xsiveporsche said...

Ikeithlu, Cow did not say they could marry another gay. he said they have the right to marry like everyone else does, someone of the opposite sex.

August 23, 2010 at 2:17 p.m.
mitchsnowman17 said...

Dear Meisha maybe when you pray to God he doesn"t hear you because YOU don"t listen to him.

August 23, 2010 at 4:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, Cow, is porsche correct? And, mitchsnowman, that is pretty arrogant and offensive. Shame on you. People like you are in part responsible for the decline in church attendance. If I were inclined to try Christianity again, you just changed my mind.

August 23, 2010 at 4:41 p.m.
mitchsnowman17 said...

re; ikeithlu,you don"t try Christianity,you are either a christian or your not.God knows your behavior just like your friend kiesha

August 23, 2010 at 7:20 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Garbage. What god, if he/she/it exists, knows is not something you are privy to. It's just this kind of arrogant judgment that is un-Christlike. This goes right back to the original letter. Your arguments for denying rights to gays are religious, and therefore unconstitutional.

A deity that "creates" a variety of human just for the followers to despise, persecute and oppress is not worthy of praise.

August 23, 2010 at 7:41 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

1-Gay couple denied marriage license because one is a male. Lesbian couple denied marriage license because on is female. That is called being denied a basic civil right based on gender- which is unconstitutional. Either way, the anti's lose.

#2- separate but equal is unconstitutional. #3- you don't have a Constitutional right to not be offended. #4- Lyle Menendez can be married while sitting on death row after blowing his mother's face off with a shotgun and people want to gripe because me and my partner of 11+ years want to get married, go figure. #5 There is no "creating a new law."-BS. Since 1888 the USSC has ruled in 14 cases concerning marriage. If anyone actually read the Judge's ruling on Prop H8 he laid out a very detailed 136 page ruling that torpedoed this and every argument put forth in his courtroom. Prop 8 was put on the ballot to circumvent the earlier CA SC ruling that banning gay marriage violated the CA Constitution without amending it. Judge Walker ruled Prop 8 violated the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. In this case the federal Constitution supersedes the state Constitution. #6- your opinion of immorality is irrelevant. Your acceptance is neither requested nor required under the Constitution.

August 23, 2010 at 8:19 p.m.
crtsports said...

Some of these comments concerning Meisha's letter is disturbing.

As a straight person, I can't wait for homosexuals to have the same rights as we do. Getting married should be for all people. If two guys or girls want to get married, that wont affect you at all. What is worse, marrying a person just for money or two females who truly love each other. Its easily the first but people say its ok since its a man and a woman.

People are born gay because no one would choose to live in a world with this much hate for them. When gays and lesbians can marry, we will all look at it as the last piece of the civil rights puzzle that has been missing for years.

So keep on fighting Meisha and I will be fighting just as hard for you!

August 23, 2010 at 9:34 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

well said, Ozzy and crtsports. In my anger I become incoherent. The pain, rejection and anguish inflicted on people in the name of righteous indignation is more than I can stand. The sad thing is that it is so unnecessary. Gays being married, having the same rights, and going about their lives hurts NO ONE.

August 23, 2010 at 9:53 p.m.
mconley said...

Thank you to all who support the fight for gays to marry!! It's amazing that in the 21st century we still live in such a narrow minded society. And for public record I do pray and God does answer because He is a loving God. From the bibles I have read nowhere does Jesus talk of hate...if there is a different version please let me know! Despite feelings to the contrary my fiance and I will be going to D.C. next spring to be married...thank you again for all those who support us!!!

August 26, 2010 at 6:43 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Congrats and best wishes, mconley!

August 26, 2010 at 9:03 p.m.
mconley said...

thank you very much lkeithlu!! Appreciate your support!!!

August 26, 2010 at 10:27 p.m.
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