published Sunday, August 29th, 2010

The Epidemic

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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I don't think its a phobia Clay but just an outright hatred. Of course this is the same day that the mass of idiots conglomerated in D.C. claiming we are a nation founded on Christianity by founders who were Deists, Atheists, and....actually there was only one trinitarian Christian in that room....but don't let facts get in the way.

August 29, 2010 at 12:26 a.m.
librul said...

Facts will never get in the way with that crowd as long as one has to read to find them out.

BTW, anyone know what God had to say when Beck opened his mouth? I was hoping for some great revelations since Glenn told us he would be channeling the great giant head.

Be sure to watch Olbermann on Monday night since he said he was going to reveal the identity of the REAL voice inside Glenn's head. Oughta be a hoot.

August 29, 2010 at 12:36 a.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

A country divided and questioning our own morals. Who is actually winning the "War on Terror?"

BTW - Isn't there a church a block from the Oklahoma City Federal Blgd site? Wasn't T. McVeigh a christian. Let's be fair and balanced.

August 29, 2010 at 12:43 a.m.
notlittletommy said...

Librul, you must be sleeping with Clay. Bet you were terrified at the sight of God-fearing people at the Washington mall that just happen to love our country. Wow. You guys are fun to read. So far left that you are almost right. I'm loving watching you squirm. Your day will come soon. Enjoy the Pelosi rule while you can.

August 29, 2010 at 3:39 a.m.
notlittletommy said...

Hey rebelliousnature, I assume the mass of idiots you are writing of are those that followed the great Rev. Al Sharpton. What a hoot. This is fun!

August 29, 2010 at 3:41 a.m.
alprova said...

August 29, 2010

The Tennessean and wire reports

MURFREESBORO, TENN — Federal agents have been called in after someone poured flammable liquid on four pieces of construction equipment early today at the site of a planned new Islamic center and mosque just outside Murfreesboro. A CBS television affiliate is reporting that it is being investigated as arson.

Carmie Ayash, a spokeswoman for the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, said the Rutherford County Sheriff's Department was contacted around 1:30 a.m. by someone who had seen the fire.

Ayash said the vandalism at the site "takes it to a whole new level." A sign on the property, off Bradyville Pike just southeast of Murfreesboro, has been damaged twice by vandals.

"Everyone in our community no longer feels safe," she said. "To set a fire that could have blown up equipment and, God forbid, spread and caused damage to the neighbors there ... we really feel like this is something that we and the neighbors don't deserve.

The center is planned offer a new place of prayer to replace the office suite that 250 local Muslim families have been using in a nearby office building.

Hundreds of opponents to the new center packed a Rutherford County Commission meeting in mid-June to protest the Murfreesboro mosque. And when supporters of the Murfreesboro mosque held a vigil June 24 at the Rutherford County Courthouse, mosque opponents showed up.

August 29, 2010 at 4:02 a.m.
alprova said...

(CBS/AP) Updated at 9:25 p.m. ET

Federal officials are investigating a fire that started overnight at the site of a new Islamic center in a Nashville suburb.

Ben Goodwin of the Rutherford County Sheriff's Department confirmed to CBS Affiliate WTVF that the fire, which burned construction equipment at the future site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, is being ruled as arson.

Special Agent Andy Anderson of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told CBS News that the fire destroyed one piece of construction equipment and damaged three others. Gas was poured over the equipment to start the fire, Anderson said.

The ATF, FBI and Rutherford County Sheriff's Office are conducting a joint investigation into the fire, Anderson said.

Read more on this story at;

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/28/national/main6814690.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

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August 29, 2010 at 4:09 a.m.
EaTn said...

alprova- sounds like they wanted to take back their country-take it back to the '50-'60's. They've just added another group to their hate list.

August 29, 2010 at 5:42 a.m.

"BTW - Isn't there a church a block from the Oklahoma City Federal Blgd site? Wasn't T. McVeigh a christian. Let's be fair and balanced".

Practice what you preach hypocrites. Uh no, actually McVeigh was no Christian and yes, there was A Greek orthdox church near THE 9-11 SITE that was badly damaged and still, to this day has been refused by the NYC Gov't to be rebuilt or renovated. Building a mosque? Insensitive to the max AND a hypocrisy.

Read ALL of the letters and original documents written by our Founders before you utter such lying trash. Many, many mention not only God, the Divinity and Providence, But Jesus Christ, Moses and Abraham. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams exchanged alot of writings between themselves on the Old Testament writings and Mosaic Law. The SAME Law to be found in the Constitution's and Bill of Right's principles. Words taken verbatim from Deuteronomy and Exodus on 'Liberty', freedom and equality of all His people UNDER the LORD GOD of Israel. Their only regret as they stated was that they "did not put enough of those Biblical principles into the Constitution. Still, they had faith that "the people educated in the Word of God" would make any wrongs done in Gov't, right again.

August 29, 2010 at 6:33 a.m.

ACLU should be leading the charge against the Ground Zero mosque Date: 8/26/2010 By Bryan Fischer

For years and years, we’ve been told by the ACLU that all you need to silence, censor and punish religious expression is just one offended individual.

If one, single solitary individual is offended by a Ten Commandments monument, or a national Day of Prayer, or a prayer offered in Jesus’ name, or the use of the Bible in a public school, why, we must immediately stamp it out. We must apply a hefty dose of legal Round-Up to kill off religious expression and sterilize the ground all around the site.

No quarter must be given. The offenders, the perpetrators, must be driven by judicial jihad from the public square in abject humiliation for daring to provoke delicate sensibilities through their lack of sensitivity to the easily offended.

Well, where is the ACLU when you really need them? The Ground Zero mosque offends 70% of the American public and 63% of New Yorkers. Now according to the ACLU, the First Amendment is irrelevant when someone’s feelings have been bruised. If at least one person is upset by some religious display, that’s all the ACLU needs to drive the offending party into oblivion.

Bottom line: the ACLU should be leading the parade to stop this mosque from being built at Ground Zero. The fact that they aren’t is another proof that the real name of this benighted organization is the Anti-Christian Liberty Union.

August 29, 2010 at 6:34 a.m.

In fact, the ACLU has suddenly discovered emanations and penumbras radiating out from the First Amendment. But they emanate and penumbrate in one direction and one direction only: they shed their sacred light on 51 Park Place and on America’s 3000 mosques and no place else.

All of a sudden the ACLU has magically realized that “[t]he free exercise of religion is one of America's most fundamental freedoms...We see the center as a monument to pluralism, symbolic of America's commitment to religious freedom.”

You want Christian liberty, the liberty actually guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution? Fuhgedaboutit. We will crucify you, we will harass you, we will intimidate you, we will drain your coffers dry enriching ourselves through court-ordered attorney’s fees.

You want Muslim liberty, which wasn’t contemplated by the Founders at all? Well that’s a First Amendment of a different color. The ACLU will be the best friend you will ever have in the world.

As eminent Supreme Court justice Joseph Story said in his discussion of the history of the First Amendment, “The real object of the amendment was, not to countenance, must less to advance Mohametanism, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment...” (emphasis mine).

In other words, the Founders adopted the First Amendment to protect freedom of religious expression for all Christian denominations and weren’t even thinking about [“countenanc(ing)”] Islam.

And so under the ACLU’s junta, First Amendment protections are stripped from those for whom the First Amendment was written, and awarded to those for whom it was not.

It’s not an America the Founders would recognize.

August 29, 2010 at 6:36 a.m.

Islam's so-called 'friends' Dr. Michael Youssef 8/26/2010

I often find it amusing, enlightening, and equally frustrating to read some of the Arabic/Islamic press. They have a knack for turning truth on its head. And when that happens, one gets a unique perspective. The brouhaha over some Islamists' take on Obama being Muslim or not Muslim is absolutely fascinating.

One writer who lives in the United States writes in an Islamic website explained to Arabs, in Arabic, her perspective on the questions over whether Obama is a Muslim or not.

She emphatically declared that he is not a Muslim in the truer sense of the word. Then she proceeded to explain to her Arabic readers about the Unitarian Church and many "other Christian denominations," referring mainly to mainline denominations, and why Muslims should be supportive of them.

She said they are not like those "traditional Christians" who believe in the divinity of Christ. They, like us "Muslims," believe that Jesus was just a good prophet: "To be sure, they do not believe in Mohammad as the true prophet of Allah, but we can get along with them."

This concept reminds me of an Arabic saying -- "Me and my brother against our cousins; but my brother and I and my cousins against our enemies."

Isn't it a true shame that Islamists feel affinity with the Unitarians and the liberal mainline denominations simply because they share one thing in common with Islam? Namely, they all reject biblical truth.

When Jesus claimed that He is the only way, the only truth, and the only giver of eternal life (John 14:6), He drew a line in the sand. You either believe Me and my claims or reject Me. And wanting it or not, by rejecting Me, you would be joining forces with all My enemies.

One good thing about this entire buzz about religion, it is giving the true disciples of Jesus Christ an opportunity to take a stand. Lovingly, thoughtfully and wisely...but the church is taking a stand none the less. The days of placing one foot in the boat and one foot on the pier are gone. The boat has left the pier! You are either for the full claims of Christ, or you are not. There is no smorgasbord in true Christianity.

Obama may not be a Muslim. But until he comes out and says, "Jesus is the only way to the Father and heaven," he is not a true Christian either.

August 29, 2010 at 6:40 a.m.

The REAL face of Hatred, or What the Left Progressive is in denial about:

Freedom of religion does not mean tolerance for treason Date: 8/25/2010 by Bryan Fischer

“Treason against the United States, shall consist...in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” Article III, Section 3

Treason is the only crime identified in the Constitution. And this is for a good reason - no nation can survive if it does not punish those who are determined to destroy it from within.

Our enemy is authentic Islam and our enemies are devout Muslims who actually believe in their holy scripture and are determined to follow the sacred teachings of their god. They are our enemies for the simple reason that their god commands them to kill us.

Treason consists in adhering to such enemies or giving them aid and comfort. This is precisely why the mosque should not be built at Ground Zero, and why zoning commissions are well within their rights to deny permits to build any more mosques in the United States.

There is no provision in the Constitution that says we must allow traitors to flourish in our midst as long as they happen to be religious. Religious traitors are just as traitorous as the non-religious kind.

It will be no defense for a Muslim to say that his treason against the United States is okay because it was done in the name of his god. That ain’t gonna fly.

August 29, 2010 at 6:44 a.m.

It’s not as if the American people are going to say, well, it’s bad that you are working to exterminate and destroy America from within, and ordinarily we’d have to punish you, but because you’re doing it for Allah it’s okay. Go, be warm and filled. Knock yourselves out.

The bottom line is that the First Amendment provides no cover, no shelter, no excuse for treason. All this blather about religious liberty is just that - blather. The First Amendment, for devout Muslims in the U.S., is nothing more than a borrowed cloak of righteousness to conceal a heart of darkness.

Each mosque adheres to a treasonous ideology by virtue of the fact that they are bitter clingers when it comes to the Koran. Over 100 verses in the Koran call for the death of infidels.

It’s worth noting that the funding for 80% of the mosques in the United States comes from Saudi Arabia, the home of Wahhabism, the most virulent strain of Islam on the planet.

Saudi Arabia sends jihadist educational materials to each one of these mosques, material which calls on devout Muslims to shed the blood of infidels, both Jew and Christian. Each Saudi-Arabian mosque is, by definition, a center for treasonous ideology.

If there are 3,000 mosques in the United States, then we have reasons to worry about 2,400 of them.

The stated goal of the Muslim Brotherhood and its various arms is to “exterminate and destroy Western civilization.” What about “exterminate and destroy” do brain-addled Americans not understand?

They have told us what their agenda in North America is. Only willful blindness keeps foolish Americans from failing to recognize the danger in our midst.

The Hutaree Militia in some way tipped their hand to authorities, letting them know that it was not an innocent Christian group organized for purposes of self-defense but something sinister and twisted. The Hutaree could claim no protections under the First Amendment once their agenda and actions became subversive. They are currently pondering the limits of the First Amendment from the inside of a jail cell, where they belong.

August 29, 2010 at 6:45 a.m.

Well, 80% of the mosques in America have tipped their hand. Their goal is to facilitate the death of the infidel Christians and Jews in America and fly the flag of Islam over the White House. Their goal is to give “Aid and Comfort” to those who want to destroy us.

At a minimum, this means that every mosque in America must be infiltrated by the FBI, just as agents infiltrated the Christian Hutaree militia, so that plots against American can be strangled in the cradle.

And it also means that no city council should allow itself to be browbeat into granting building permits to an organization - the religion of Islam - whose god commands his followers to kill the members of that city council. “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,” the god of the Holy Koran says. What kind of insanity is it to insist that special protections be granted to those whose sacred Scripture commands them to kill us? It is mind-numbed craziness to cooperate with that.

Perhaps zoning commissioners can ask Muslims seeking a building permit the following questions:

  1. Do you renounce the 109 verses in the Koran in which Allah calls for the death of infidels?
  2. Do you renounce the teachings in the Koran that compel Christians and Jews to convert, submit, or die?
  3. Do you believe that Muslims should be able freely to convert to Christianity anywhere in the world without penalty?
  4. You want to build your mosque here in our city. Do you believe that Saudi Arabia should allow the building of churches in Mecca?
  5. Do you renounce Hamas, which our government recognizes as a terrorist organization? And do you renounce Hezbollah and its attacks against civilians in Israel?
  6. Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?

The answers will be No, No, No, No, No and No. And that should be the answer of city officials to their request to build a center for treason in their community.

August 29, 2010 at 6:46 a.m.

August 26, 2010

"According to the Associated Press, the Obama administration will give away nearly $6 million of American tax dollars to restore 63 historic and cultural sites, including Islamic mosques and minarets, in 55 nations. See the State Department document here.

This is an outrage! Our country is broke. And can you imagine what the ACLU and others on the secular left would say if these monies had been spent to repair Christian churches? They would be screaming "separation of church and state!" Funding Islam on foreign soil with American taxpayer money? Not a whimper.

The latest taxpayer givaway includes $76,000 for a 16th century mosque in China, $67,000 for a mosque in Pakistan, $77,000 to restore minarets in Nigeria and Mauritania, and $50,000 for an Islamic Monument in India.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says the U.S. program to restore Islamic and other cultural sites in other countries is taxpayer money well spent".

August 29, 2010 at 6:59 a.m.
anniebelle said...

canary still peddling her lies and hate. Yes indeed Timonthy McVeigh was a Roman Catholic just like his father. You're in front of a computer, look it up.

August 29, 2010 at 7:10 a.m.

...and you little witch, have no idea what a Roman Catholic or a real Christian is. Your filthy mind and words prove that to the rest of us every day. Prove all the rest of my postings wrong, we all need a good laugh.

The true face of hatred, bigotry and racism:

The true face of Islam: 330,000 dead Americans in one hour Date: 8/26/2010 Bryan Fischer

What follows is a transcript of part of a speech delivered by a Muslim leader and broadcast on Al Jezeera TV in February of 2009. This broadcast was intended for the whole world. There is no apology from Al Jezeera for airing this; in fact, they aired it precisely because they believe its message and wanted the whole world of Muslims to hear it. This obviously heightens our concern for a secure southern border, especially after the release of news that our authorities in all their wisdom have released 481 illegal aliens whose country of origin is either a state sponsor of terrorism or a country of “special concern.”

The excerpt speaks for itself: “Four pounds of anthrax - in a suitcase this big - carried by a fighter through tunnels from Mexico into the U.S. are guaranteed to kill 330,000 Americans within a single hour, if it is properly spread in population centers there. What a horrifying idea! 9/11 will be small change in comparison. Am I right? There is no need for airplanes, conspiracies, timings, and so on. One person, with the courage to carry four pounds of anthrax, will go the White House lawn and will spread this ‘confetti’ all over them and then will do these cries of joy. It will turn into a real celebration.” ~ Kuwaiti professor Abdallah Fahd Abd Al-’Aziz Al-Nafisi, Al Jezeera TV, Feb. 2, 2009

August 29, 2010 at 7:16 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Yes, the nice Xtian response expected.

August 29, 2010 at 7:20 a.m.
anniebelle said...

canary is so typical of today's fake Xtian's. She has no place to display it, so she comes on here and throws her mindless, rambling, idiotic ideas to anyone who just might possibly believe this crap. They care not one whit about destroying this country and go to any extremes to do so.

August 29, 2010 at 7:25 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Also, you might find it interesting to know that our forefathers who fled Europe were not running from persecution from Islam, Hinduism or other exotic cults -- no, they fled from other cults of Xtianity. Most who came out of Europe had lived through the Crusades (another wonderful Xtian mis-adventure) and who were not willing to convert were massacred. Don't believe me -- look it up. Google is your friend if you don't have access to books and apparently many on here do not.

August 29, 2010 at 7:36 a.m.
moonpie said...

Canary,

The man you quote, Bryan Fisher, makes a very poor argument.

The ACLU preventing prayer in school and the 10 commandments in court houses is very different than trying to prevent a church from being built.

In both cases, the ACLU is maintaining a separation of church and state.

In the first, it's trying to ensure that the state does not ratify one religion over others. In the latter case, it should not interfere with private expression.

If you truly stand for the constitution, you will support the right of these people to assemble. You can argue that it's in poor taste, but support it from a constitutional standpoint.

Finally, the bit about the Greek Orthodox Church... I'd support the right of the mosque and the church. But before calling anyone a hypocrite, please realize that it is the Port Authority which is handing the 911 site and they are the ones who have the final say regarding the Greek Orthodox Church. The Port Authority is not the entity that approved the mosque. The mosque is outside its jurisdiction.

Again, you're comparing apples to oranges and coming up with lemons for arguments.

August 29, 2010 at 7:37 a.m.

moonie: methinks you've been stuffing yourself with one too many moonpies and they're going to your head-or somewhere. You have nothing to go on and you obviously ignore what else I've said on the subject re: the constitutionality of the issue. Re-read the muslims comments who are against it too, if you don't 'like' mine. Too bad you 'geniuses' can do nothing but trash my person and that of anyone else who disagrees with you.

witchwoman: what about the "muslim" response? you never have the facts here so advising you to read even one good Book is a waste of time. Your forte is to take every word and everyone you disagree with-out of context. Quoting our Founders now? Laughable, your twist on our Founders History and their exodus is completely wrong-what kinda drugs are you on, did you say?

I, unlike you and the other trashed-heads here, have studied and researched thousands of original documents, tomes, journals, etc. throughout my lifetime. Long before the idiot-net or any other net. I use it carefully and check both sides of an argument first-unlike the rest of you stoneheads who have no idea what the words 'vetting and research of all sides' means.

You want a quote? How does "nest of vipers and Hypocrites" sound? Sounds like the Truth to me.

August 29, 2010 at 8:08 a.m.
moonpie said...

canary, you are much agrieved. I did not trash your person. I merely pointed out that two of your arguments are faulty. (I say your arguments, because you posted them without disclaimer of dissent.)

My reference to the constitution was an invitation to join, not a push away.

August 29, 2010 at 8:29 a.m.
woody said...

I have heard it said, "Cooler heads will prevail."

But it's a sure bet, they won't be found here.

Happy Sunday, Woody

August 29, 2010 at 8:38 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Dear Canary,

At the risk of once again incurring your name-calling and personal attacks, let me assure you that if your Civil Rights were being violated the ACLU would defend you.

In the past they've defended Nazis, Rush Limbaugh, the KKK, Oliver North, and anyone whose basic Constitutional rights were being violated. Obviously you are no better or worse than any of those people.

By the way, the ACLU cannot make legal judgments. They make their arguments before a court of law. I don't see a legal challenge if Obama were to spread $6 million around 55 countries for cultural restoration, but you can continue to bash them all you want.

And if anyone tried to stop you the ACLU would defend your right to do so.

Okay, bash away!

August 29, 2010 at 8:46 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Canary never let the truth get in the way of a good rant. Exposed in lies, the goalposts shift and rants resume.

August 29, 2010 at 9:14 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Here, canary sweetheart, is the ACLU's stance on the islamic center:

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech-religion-belief/aclu-and-nyclu-statement-controversy-over-new-york-city-islamic-center

If someone tries to stop the center, the ACLU will probably be asked to help defend the constitutional rights of the group to build.

But of course, you would rather continue to believe and spout lies and slander. That's your right. AND the ACLU would defend your constitutional rights to believe any garbage or myth that you like against those that might try to correct it. They will also defend your free speech rights to spout your bull on a forum like this one. Delicious irony in my book.

August 29, 2010 at 9:23 a.m.
xsiveporsche said...

Hate Hate Hate this morning and it is Sunday too. Glad I watched Spa first. Lets play nice today people. No name calling.

August 29, 2010 at 9:58 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The fun thing about canary is that you get so much to work with, so you can just grab at will anything from any post and show it to be misleading.

canary said:

"According to the Associated Press, the Obama administration will give away nearly $6 million of American tax dollars to restore 63 historic and cultural sites, including Islamic mosques and minarets, in 55 nations. See the State Department document here. (no link given)

The rest of the story, same document:

"The amount spent on mosque restoration projects is a fraction of the total in the 2010 Ambassadors Fund for Cultural Preservation, which also will fund projects to restore Christian and Buddhist sites as well as museums, forts and palaces. Since 2001, the U.S. government has spent almost $26 million on the program to fund about 640 cultural preservation projects in more than 100 countries." "The fund has demonstrated America's respect for the world's cultural heritage," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said last month in announcing the 2010 projects. "Cultural heritage serves as a reminder of historical experiences and achievements of humanity. Ancient structures and objects offer important lessons for us today."

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Just like the quotemines canary posted regarding evolutionary biology.

August 29, 2010 at 10:05 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oh, I'b be willing to bet that 26 million over 10 years is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of "nation building" in Iraq. However, if you REALLY want to keep taxpayer money here in the US, by all means elect people to office who will do so. That is your right as a voter. 2.6 million is the annual budget of a very small company, or the cost to build a 10,000-12,000 sq ft building. Yeah, that'll break our budget for sure.

August 29, 2010 at 10:12 a.m.
OllieH said...

Canary, the personal writings of the founding fathers might well have included some thoughts on religion, but that does not negate the fact that their goal was to separate the roles and authority of church and state. I'll still look to their official writings to determine their ultimate intentions.

That being said, there are some personal thoughts of the founders that you also might consider:

Thomas Jefferson-

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law." -letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." - to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814 .

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787

James Madison:

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." - letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." - "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches

Thomas Paine:

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."

"The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion."

"What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith."

Benjamin Franklin:

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - in Poor Richard's Almanac

August 29, 2010 at 10:37 a.m.
hambone said...

"the true face of hatred, bigotry and racism"

Is in your Reflection big bird !!

August 29, 2010 at 10:42 a.m.
reaganwasright said...

No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. - Ronald Reagan

I don't believe we should sacrifice freedom because we don't have moral courage. I am not afraid of Islam. I am afraid of what will happen to us if we start to abandon what we stand for.

What makes us different from countries which hate us is that we allow religous freedom. We should not ever try to become like those who oppose us. This means we should not try to stomp out religious freedoms at home. If we want to prove that we are Americans for freedom and liberty we should start acting like it.

August 29, 2010 at 11:17 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

canaryinthecoalmine August 29, 2010 at 6:33 a.m.

Canary, I noticed you invoked the letters of Thomas Jefferson in one of your (many) diatribes. Here are a couple of more letters from him.

-"No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities". -- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1779)

-"I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another". -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, 1799

-"I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance, or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others". -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Edward Dowse, April 19, 1803

And of course this one....

-"Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State". -- Thomas Jefferson, to Danbury Baptists

It seems Jefferson promoted tolerance of ALL religions don't you think Canary. Unlike yourself I might add.

August 29, 2010 at 11:25 a.m.
Tax_Payer said...

If Islam did take over, women in particular, will lose their Civil Rights.

August 29, 2010 at 11:40 a.m.
Tax_Payer said...

When 9/11 happened, my preacher, a Cuban Immigrant who loves the Red-White-Blue American flag, supports Immigration and gave a message on religious convictions. Many Americans don't know what making peace with their God means. Basically, it is going by their "Holy Book". Traditionally, Americans have the Bible for instruction, reproof, and correction. The new Immigrants bring their religion with them and their book, and we say that is okay because we have religious freedoms here.

Problem is: When it is time to get right with their God aka/Allah, the extreme measures must be placed! Forget about man-made laws, they are making "Peace" for eternity.

Peace according to the Koran and no other is acceptable.

August 29, 2010 at 11:56 a.m.
nucanuck said...

canary is an example of Christian love mutating into disturbed hate.

August 29, 2010 at 11:56 a.m.
hambone said...

Reagamwasright.

a very good post! The problem here is that other kind of deafness. Not in the ears but in the mind!!

August 29, 2010 at 12:20 p.m.
Hoppergrasser said...

Just something to think about.

Some people say President Obama is a Muslim, and for that reason he shouldn't be president.

Article VI, Section 3, U.S. Constitution... states in part.

"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

August 29, 2010 at 12:26 p.m.
alprova said...

Canary wrote: "...there was A Greek orthdox church near THE 9-11 SITE that was badly damaged and still, to this day has been refused by the NYC Gov't to be rebuilt or renovated."


Canary, why is it that you can never discuss the facts of any issue? It is not the Government of New York or any other locale that is standing in the way of the rebuilding of that church. The church doesn't have the money to rebuild it on it's original location, nor was it insured.

In late 2008, St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church and the New York Port Authority had reached a tentative agreement for the church to give up its 1,200 square foot site at 155 Cedar St. in exchange for 130 Liberty St., a bigger site half a block away.

Six months later, the Port Authority said negotiations ended because St. Nicholas demanded too much money and approval power over a vehicle security center beneath the sites. Port Authority spokesman Stephen Sigmund said the church "can return to its original location."

In 2009, the Port Authority made their final offer, which again included up to $60 million in PUBLIC MONEY, and told St. Nicholas Orthodox Church that the World Trade Center Memorial Site could not be delayed over this issue."

"They rejected that offer."

August 29, 2010 at 12:56 p.m.
alprova said...

Canary wrote: "...I, unlike you and the other trashed-heads here, have studied and researched thousands of original documents, tomes, journals, etc. throughout my lifetime."


Sure you have.

August 29, 2010 at 1:02 p.m.
hambone said...

It appears from one of his posts above that the big yellow coal miner can read Arabic. now I get it, he's a closet muslim. He's really on here to stir up hated for muslims. Sort of double reverse psychology.

August 29, 2010 at 1:13 p.m.

The real hate and bigotry continues to be spewed above. Take one or two of my points-build a theory and don't answer the main body of point-outs, many written or quoted out of muslim mouths themselves...the point being, traitors and the treasonous, funded by Terror countries and groups have no right to build their atrocities in this country and no right to take our tax dollars to build anywhere else either. Quoting the ACLU or other nefarious traitors? Pathetic, pathetico. Aah, but Liars and evil will repeat the words and actions of Evil, won't they?

“Four pounds of anthrax - in a suitcase this big - carried by a fighter through tunnels from Mexico into the U.S. are guaranteed to kill 330,000 Americans within a single hour, if it is properly spread in population centers there. What a horrifying idea! 9/11 will be small change in comparison.

Am I right? There is no need for airplanes, conspiracies, timings, and so on. One person, with the COURAGE to carry four pounds of anthrax, will go the White House lawn and will spread this ‘confetti’ all over them and then will do these cries of JOY. It will turn into a real celebration.”

Kuwaiti professor Abdallah Fahd Abd Al-’Aziz Al-Nafisi, Al Jezeera TV, Feb. 2, 2009

Do I tell any of you how to be an Atheist or a piece of dirt? Don't, in your extreme hatred, tell me how to be a Christian and attempt to shut us up when none of you so far have a clue about the subject re: Christians, Islamicists or mosques and mullahs. You're a bunch of dimwitted Bubble-Dwellers, that's all. Stay in your Bubbles, carry on. Who cares?

August 29, 2010 at 1:54 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Canary is back from Sunday services at the Church of True Christians (Catholics are not True Christians, remember) and resumes handwaving and goalpost shifting. Why, when caught in lies over and over do you think that anyone cares what your tinfoil hat is telling you? Perhaps it's time to get in your bunker.

August 29, 2010 at 2:11 p.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

Canary - Isn't the Klan a 'christian' organization? They preach the same garbage as al Qaeda, but they don't represent all Christians. Just the same as al Qaeda does not represent all of Islam. These fanatics aren't true Christians or muslims. Or like M. McConnell said; should we take them at their word.

August 29, 2010 at 2:19 p.m.
hambone said...

This just would not be as much fun without big bird. Please don't leave canary bird!!

August 29, 2010 at 2:31 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

As individuals, we should act by the lights of Conscience, tested by Reason and our corporate laws.

As a nation, we should check ourselves by the words of the Constitution, perhaps the foremost expression of Human Conscience and Human Reason.

We prove ourselves unworthy of the Constitution every time we set it aside in order to pander to our fears and our smaller, worse selves.

The mosque will be built because it cannot be forbidden under the terms of our Constitution.

I walked up to Monticello 26 years ago. I lived below it for almost 10 years. Almost every day, I still check my thoughts about this nation against the thoughts of Thomas Jefferson.

I agree with Kennedy--we witnessed our greatest thinker in the 3rd President of the United States.

**

"The declaration that religious faith shall be unpunished does not give immunity to criminal acts dictated by religious error." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1788. ME 7:98

"If anything pass in a religious meeting seditiously and contrary to the public peace, let it be punished in the same manner and no otherwise than as if it had happened in a fair or market." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:548

"Whatsoever is lawful in the Commonwealth or permitted to the subject in the ordinary way cannot be forbidden to him for religious uses; and whatsoever is prejudicial to the Commonwealth in their ordinary uses and, therefore, prohibited by the laws, ought not to be permitted to churches in their sacred rites. For instance, it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children. It is ordinarily lawful (or temporarily lawful) to kill calves or lambs; they may, therefore, be religiously sacrificed. But if the good of the State required a temporary suspension of killing lambs, as during a siege, sacrifices of them may then be rightfully suspended also. This is the true extent of toleration." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:547

"To suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of judgment and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own." --Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. ME 2:302, Papers 2: 546

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1650.htm

August 29, 2010 at 2:41 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

Canary seems fixated on four pounds of anthrax being carried through tunnels from Mexico.

Does this mean we can drop the discussion of fence building along the border?

I guess we have to start dropping bunker buster bombs instead. Snuff out them dad-burned terrorist before they git us.

Then we can move on to the next phony baloney threat designed to Limbaugh us with fear.

August 29, 2010 at 2:42 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Canary's secret club: http://www.tfhp.org/

August 29, 2010 at 2:44 p.m.
xsiveporsche said...

I have seen the face of Islam On the cover of time magazine A young girl Her Face horribly disfigured Her nose butchered from her face Her ears torn from her head A punishment Decreed by shariah law Her crime ? To try to escape the daily brutality of her Husband and her family I have seen the hands of Islam Hands cruely Throwing stones At a young girl Striking and breaking her body until she lay in a puddle of her own blood A cruel and hateful death Her crime Refuseing to marry a man ,from a pre arranged union,Loveless I hear words of the peaceful and loving religion I hear the screams of my fellow Americans ,as they jump to their death To avoid the cruel flames of burning alive This from an attack on our country from this peace loving religion THE aman of this religion Wishes to Place a Shrine at the site of this attack on us called the "CORDOBA iniative" Cordoba being a christian city in spain Conqured by the Mouslins , The surviving men tortured and mutilated before their deaths The women raped and enslaved A monument/whrine/temple /mosk Built in celebration to allah of the Victory over the city and it's religion WE cannot trust the Words of Islam The speek of peace and love Yet they Breed and act in Hate And intolerance The attack has changed me I now Hate My fellow man Because of the actions of his religion We must defile and desicrate this site So They cannot Build their Shrine So no Mouslin terrorist in the world Can View it as a shrine of Victory Please post and repost this thought EVERY TIME you get the chance " When the government is rendered inefective ,IT IS THE DUTY of the people ,to correct the injustice " Words of wisdom from our founding

August 29, 2010 at 2:47 p.m.
alprova said...

canary wrote:

"Do I tell any of you how to be an Atheist or a piece of dirt?"


Nope, but you do set forth a fine example as to why people run, not walk, from many organized religions, especially when the word "Christian" is mentioned.


"Don't, in your extreme hatred, tell me how to be a Christian and attempt to shut us up when none of you so far have a clue about the subject re: Christians, Islamicists or mosques and mullahs."


Blah, blah, blah...blah...blah.

Citing examples all day long of Islamic radicals as they exist in the Middle East will forever be meaningless.

And I really hate to burst your bubble, but you are about as well versed in Christianity as you are on all things Islamic. You wear your particular brand of Christianity on your sleeve like a Nazi did a Swastika.

Come to think of it, there really isn't a whole lot of difference in the way either of you process your thoughts.


"You're a bunch of dimwitted Bubble-Dwellers, that's all. Stay in your Bubbles, carry on. Who cares?"


Apparently, you do. You sure spend enough time trying to convince us all that you are superior in all manners to those of us who find you to be a little more than lacking in the brain department.

Tell me something Canary; Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night and wonder out loud, exactly how utterly insane you are? Or did any doubt to that fact go the wayside years ago?

You are one sick, twisted puppy. I doubt very much however, that you are as cute as a puppy.

When was the last time anyone hugged you?

August 29, 2010 at 2:50 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

canary said:

"When Jesus claimed that He is the only way, the only truth, and the only giver of eternal life (John 14:6), He drew a line in the sand. You either believe Me and my claims or reject Me. And wanting it or not, by rejecting Me, you would be joining forces with all My enemies."

also:

"Obama may not be a Muslim. But until he comes out and says, "Jesus is the only way to the Father and heaven," he is not a true Christian either."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Fred Phelps says that Jesus is the only way to the father and heaven. So, according to you, the answer to the question I posed weeks ago that you refused to answer is "yes, Fred Phelps is a True Christian (TM)" just like you, canary! Glad we got that cleared up.

August 29, 2010 at 3:43 p.m.
sd said...

"Obama may not be a Muslim. But until he comes out and says, "Jesus is the only way to the Father and heaven," he is not a true Christian either."

He did.

"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/januaryweb-only/104-32.0.html

August 29, 2010 at 4:20 p.m.
chattreb said...

How about a vaccine that protects you from suicide bombers?

August 29, 2010 at 5:33 p.m.
ITguy said...

We need a vaccine that cures irrational thought. Regardless of what you may fear, we live in a country that is governed by the constitution. It is not against the law to be a muslim. Muslims are not evil. How many of you personally know someone who is Muslim? I have known several, and they were not evil people longing for the destruction of the US. Quite the opposite, they love this country and the ideals that it stands for.

August 29, 2010 at 5:50 p.m.
moonpie said...

Ok, this is off topic, but there was a very interesting story on NPR today in On the Media about media myths.

It's germaine to a lot of things today, but more than anything, it's an interesting account of the truth behind some truths.

http://www.onthemedia.org/

August 29, 2010 at 6:56 p.m.
deltenney said...

The tone of the discussion is unpleasant, uncivil and hateful on both sides. We can disagree, can't we, without being disagreeable as the politicians are fond of saying.

Personal attacks do not raise the bar on educating us or enhancing our understanding.

Even though the cartoon is intended to engender analysis, comment and exchange, it seems to incite outrage and anger instead -- fortunately, we do have free speech, even when we abuse the privilege.

August 29, 2010 at 7:04 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

deltenney, I don't mind when people disagree with me. What I do mind is when people distort reality and fact to develop their opposing view, and then tell me I am evil because I expose them for the liars they are. There are really good posters who come here, and many don't agree with me and vice versa. Varying viewpoints promotes thought and discussion, and it is always welcome. Lies, distortions, quote-mining and scare tactics deserve to be exposed, and their purveyors made fun of.

If folks want a civil discussion, then they need to read each others posts carefully, disagree with the actual points made and give reasons why, and finally decide when the discussion has arrived at a stopping place based on differing interpretation of the facts. For example, as someone who is pro-choice, I will accept that there are those who are pro-life for religious reasons. I have no intention of changing their minds, though I remind them that their religious views cannot be imposed on others. We disagree, but I respect their opinion.

In this topic, there are people who believe that Christianity is the one path to salvation. They have a right to this opinion, on religious grounds. However, if they paint all other people beside Christians as agents of evil, terrorists, or not deserving of equal protection under the constitution as US citizens, then they deserve to be called on the carpet for their statements because they are wrong.

August 29, 2010 at 7:19 p.m.
ITguy said...

Lkeithlu,
I am 100% behind you. There is a small minority of people who drive up fear so that they can sell what ever snake oil they may peddle as the cure. We must resist their nonsense. There is little difference between those who believe that the US is the Great Satan and those who believe that all Muslims are terrorists. They are mirror images of the same evil.

What is most astounding is that they both claim to speak for God!

August 29, 2010 at 8:02 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

It is rather alarming, ITguy. The funny thing is, my time here is frivolously spent. I have way too much work I should be doing! I do gain a better sense of what the issues are, especially when reading the posts of Scotty, Inspector Bucket, MountainJoe, Sailorman, alprova and many others. These are not folks I always agree with, but they support what they say and are clear and articulate. Yes, there are the canaries, FM33, and deweys too. A conservative with a good argument has a lot to teach me. A conservative (hate to use the same term here) who is absolute and clearly has an agenda to force their religion on others, or who gets their information from sources like Glenn Beck (he's an entertainer, for Pete's sake!), refuses to learn anything or correct their misunderstandings are just annoying.

Although I should be doing more productive things with my time, I have learned how to better research what I post and how to be more articulate and accurate in how I write, skills that I am late in developing. As those more talented have held me accountable, I have learned how to hold others accountable when they make statements or claims in their posts. If they are honest, they verify what they write, reveal their sources, or even modify what they have written. If not, well, they shift to new rants without ever addressing my question. That's okay-it's here for everyone to see.

August 29, 2010 at 8:50 p.m.
hambone said...

I look at this forum as entertainment.To look at it any other way will just make you angry and there is already too much hate here. I try to use humor and K.keep I. it S. simple S. stupid

August 29, 2010 at 9:26 p.m.
acerigger said...

It's heartening to read comments from the folks who research what they write,thanx to all of you,I won't name names 'cause it's fairly obvious who speaks truth and who has an agenda.

August 29, 2010 at 10:09 p.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

This was fun and informative. Let's do it again, soon.

"Good people sleep peaceably in their bed at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" - P.H.U.

Good night.

August 30, 2010 at 2:57 a.m.
una61 said...

FDR famously said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself".

"Fearaphobia"?

There seems to be a tendency to label one's sincere opposition to an issue as a "phobia".

Have you heard of the Nietzscheian diet? It says "Eating what you fear most".

Sometimes there's a pony in Canary's posts.

August 30, 2010 at 8:44 a.m.
InspectorBucket said...

That is quite a growing family, Clay.

Mom and pop certainly have been keeping busy--perhaps too busy to pay much mind to the NYC mosque &c.

August 30, 2010 at 10:44 a.m.
najones75 said...

anniebelle said:

"Also, you might find it interesting to know that our forefathers who fled Europe were not running from persecution from Islam, Hinduism or other exotic cults -- no, they fled from other cults of Xtianity."

While I agree that they were not running from Islam, etc...there's absolutely no justification they were fleeing Christianity. Just because the internet says so, doesn't make it so.

Then she said:

"Most who came out of Europe had lived through the Crusades (another wonderful Xtian mis-adventure) and who were not willing to convert were massacred."

OMG...you did not just say that. One, the crusades were well over before 1300. Two, they occured in the Middle East. Three, those who came over from Europe were about 200 years prior to even being a gleam in their mother's eye. You talk about "mindless, ignorant and uneducated"...that statement was the pure definition of it...

Finally:

"Don't believe me -- look it up. Google is your friend..."

I hate to tell ya, but you're going to have to learn that the majority of what you see on the internet is BS. I hope you don't rely on everything you think you know by googling it.

August 30, 2010 at 1:09 p.m.
rolando said...

The only epidemic I see is the six kids.

Mom and Dad are undoubtedly illegals [since our citizen birth-rate is in the cellar] and are in the "Clinic" looking for free medical care/advice.

August 30, 2010 at 1:59 p.m.
anniebelle said...

o.k. najones, we'll just go back to the Inquisition, is that late enough for you. See how Isabella and Ferdinand took care of the non-believers.

August 30, 2010 at 2:17 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Oh, and by the way, I check sources before I post any historical data. I would never rely on just one or two or three sources for information. So your history book is totally different from mine. I guess yours was printed in Texas.

August 30, 2010 at 2:21 p.m.
rolando said...

Texas no longer uses textbooks recommended by Progressives to educate its students.

najones undoubtedly reads the more accurate, unbiased text.

August 30, 2010 at 2:30 p.m.
rolando said...

Wow! That date and cause for initial Euro-immigration into the "New World" sure does skip around...

August 30, 2010 at 2:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Actually, you are all partially correct. The church had its influence in several ways: Spanish Missionaries followed the explorers in to convert the heathen natives to Catholicism (and yes, they did so violently at times), the original pilgrims came in part to flee the church in England and practice the religion they preferred. Since most immigrants before the 19th century were European, they were either Christian (sometimes the "wrong" kind) or Jews, not Muslims. Most were coming for opportunity, not religion.

August 30, 2010 at 3:30 p.m.
tderng said...

It is easy to see after reading all of these posts that there are a large number of far left liberals that post here. They seem to have a lot of hate for anyone who is Christian. I consider myself to be a Christian also, but when asked what kind of Christian,I tell them I am the kind that believes in Christ and His teachings, that denominations mean nothing to me. Only His teachings about how to live and love my fellow man. That having been said the "right" of muslims to build a mosque at ground zero should not be infringed upon.However all americans should wonder why this Muslim leader insists that it be built here. He is showing no respect for the people who lost their lives on 9/11,I have to wonder why this is.There is no reason it couldn't be built where there is less opposition. There are already numerous mosques in N.Y.C. and to insist that one be built so near ground zero seems to me to be throwing salt on an,obviously,still open wound. We are told by the liberal left that we should be more tolerant of Muslims. Where is the tolerance from the Muslims? I have heard of no opposition to any of the other Mosques that have been built in N.Y.C. so there was evidently plenty of tolerance until this Imam decided to place a Mosque in a spot where he had to know there would be opposition.That having been said I think that they should be allowed to build the Mosque,but only if some enterprising gay entropreneur opens a gay bar right across the street. Then we will see for real how tolerant the Muslims truly are. I wonder how many on the left would fight so hard for a gay bar to be built right across the street from this Mosque!

August 30, 2010 at 5:39 p.m.
concernedjoe said...

The cartoonist appears to suffer from Truthophobia.

August 30, 2010 at 6:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

tderng, I'd be the first one with a sign in front of a gay bar should the builders of the center have a problem. The constitution applies (as long as the bar is not violating city code)

BTW, this is not a mosque, nor is it at ground zero.

August 30, 2010 at 7:17 p.m.
moonpie said...

tderng,

You started out well. But I wonder, exactly how many blocks away from ground zero is appropriate? Outside the zone of physical damage caused by the crash? Outside the zone of the psychological damage caused by the crash?

Murphreesboro is too close to ground zero for some. (Or perhaps it's just too close to home for people who are for religious freedom unless it occurs in their back yard.)

I personally think the notion of a gay bar next door is very funny. I like the idea to challenge the notion of freedom. You're certainly not the first person I've heard suggest it.

Without assuming a political leaning on your part, I will say it's a sentiment I've heard from a lot of conservatives (both in blogs, from pundits and friends).

It's one of the few times I've heard many of these people say anything supportive of the gay community.

For them, support of the gay community only emerges to challenge other people and to make them uncomfortable. (I say for them, because I have no idea about your level of support for the gay community.)

If we really want to get at the muslims, we should erect a gay wedding chapel next door. But of course, we'd first have to legalize gay marriage.

I'm certainly ok with that.

On a final note, think about how utterly freaked out people in Murphreesboro would be to learn that a Mosque and a gay wedding/bar were being erected next door to one another?

I think we'd witness mass apoplexy.

August 30, 2010 at 8 p.m.
alprova said...

Moonpie wrote: "On a final note, think about how utterly freaked out people in Murphreesboro would be to learn that a Mosque and a gay wedding/bar were being erected next door to one another?"


Is it permissible to use "gay" and "erected" in the same sentence?

Sorry.

August 30, 2010 at 10:28 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

tderng, you're not the first to put quotation marks around the "right" of religious freedom.

I cannot fathom the logic that concludes that we must combat intolerant religious fanaticism with intolerant religious fanaticism.

So much for the land of "Liberty." Home of the "Free?" Not so much.

I'm tired of screaming READ THE CONSTITUTION!

All of you opposed to the so-called GZM should write an essay here in the comments about the First Amendment. Read it, contemplate it, and then tell us all what you think it means in 100 words.

August 31, 2010 at 12:06 a.m.
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