published Tuesday, February 16th, 2010

The Resume'

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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hotdiggity said...

With that resume and her razor sharp, unerring grasp of the world around her, should be a shoo-in for 2012. Oh, and her sportscaster experience should help also.

You betcha.

February 16, 2010 at 1:32 a.m.

i feel the real things she needs should be on there.

"Open mouth, breathe in, breathe out, speak. Good Sarah, hard parts over"

February 16, 2010 at 1:45 a.m.
Clara said...

Rebel,

C:-)

Trouble is you've got to breathe in before you can speak out.

February 16, 2010 at 3:06 a.m.
JohnnyRingo said...

I actually learned from her nmemonic tricks.

Now when I go to the local tavern, I write "Rum & Coke" on my hand to remind myself of the drink I've been ordering several times a week for the last couple years. I crossed out the "Coke" and wrote "Pepsi", because I remembered I like that better.

Thanks to Sarah, no one can laugh at me anymore.

February 16, 2010 at 4:25 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Johnny-Too funny, LOL.

February 16, 2010 at 4:29 a.m.
rolando said...

Yawn. NEXT!

February 16, 2010 at 5:54 a.m.
rolando said...

Ever watch Dear Leader speak when his teleprompter is broken? Hilarious. The man simply cannot put half a dozen words together without a connecting "...uh...um...ah..." between every 3 words. He is a true symbol of the Libtard Progressive. LOL

February 16, 2010 at 5:58 a.m.
rolando said...

Dear Leader cannot speak the simplest words before an audience of 12-year-olds without using his teleprompter! LOL He is primo LibTard and the idol of LibProgs everywhere. THAT's who THEIR idol is. He makes great theatre...the comic relief/slow-witted sidekick part.

February 16, 2010 at 6:03 a.m.
woody said...

Rolando, me thinks you might have a point there. And, no, I won't sink so low as to comment that it could be the one between your ears.

Seriously, though, the president does strike me as a man wanting to be as careful, and succinct as possible, when choosing his own words. Of course, if that is a failing then many others, such as 'Captains of Industry' share it.

However, there is one striking difference between Ms. Palin and (as you like to refer to him) Dear Leader. He has made it to the presidency and she'll be lucky to still be employed by the time the next presidential election cycle comes around.

The only question will be how she goes. Of her own volition or will Mr. Murdoch simply tire of his latest 'toy'?

Okay, it sounded funnier in my head, I admit.

Waiting for the 'first Robin of Spring', Woody

February 16, 2010 at 6:15 a.m.
alprova said...

President Obama has been accused of being elected with no credentials that qualify him to be President of the United States. No man on the planet has been dogged with such outlandish accusations, both before and after taking office.

Sarah Palin was unknown, outside of Alaska that is, prior to the election of 2008. Considered by some to be a breath of fresh air, easy on the eye, and capable of delivering cutesy phrases that stick to her like glue, the woman is positioning herself to try to become the next President of the United States.

We know that at least 600 people are willing to pay a substantial sum of money to attend one of her speeches -- speeches that can be depended upon to always stretch the truth like a plug of salt water taffy. She appeals to those with lower levels of intelligence, and speaks to them accordingly. She tells them what they want to hear.

Unfortunately, it's not just those of meager means who find her a viable candidate for political office. Her amazingly slim resume is often cast aside by some who would normally exclude such a person, because the woman appeals to them for other reasons.

We've had Presidents in this nation who were virtual morons, but who knew how to use their personalities to overcome all obstacles in life. That's great and I absolutely have no problem with that, but the thought of this woman representing this nation as President, whom I consider to be extremely ignorant and woefully uneducated, literally scares the hell out of me.

She has a great smile. She can deliver caustic phrases as well as anyone alive. She's quite capable of keeping an audience awake during a political speech. But the woman has a history of failing to fulfill her obligations and promises to people who elect her to office. Her attitude toward ethics leave a little to be desired. She is impulsive, unpredictable and hardly diplomatic. The woman simply is not ready to represent this nation as it's highest leader.

What she does represent however, is the notion that anyone in this nation who works hard enough, can be considered for the office as President of the United States.

Amazingly, many of the same people who have dogged President Obama for his lack of a long and established political resume, will readily join others in endorsing more disturbing accusations that have been evidenced, are quite ready to cast her thin resume aside and seem ready to give her a shot at the job.

But then, who else do the Republicans have to nominate at this point and time?

Pinning their hopes on this woman, who will be utterly destroyed the more serious her challenge becomes, will be more than entertaining to watch.

And no one will be able to say that she didn't ask for it.

February 16, 2010 at 6:34 a.m.
maj said...

I am conservative, but I am not a fan of Sarah Palin. That being said, though, I do not see why everyone has made such a huge deal about her writing a couple of topics on her hand. She still gave her speech and did it, it seems, without lots of notes or a teleprompter. She simply wrote a few words on her hand to keep her on track. Obama reads most of his speeches verbatim from a screen. You simply cannot compare the two. I don't think Obama could function with just a few words on his hand.

February 16, 2010 at 7:14 a.m.

Wasn't this last week's mockery? Bennett, you're behind in reading The Whitehouse talking points, pal.

February 16, 2010 at 8:05 a.m.
miraweb said...

Actually, Sarah P was last year's mockery. However, she insists on coming back for more.

Love the recent work, Clay!

February 16, 2010 at 9:03 a.m.
OllieH said...

rolando writes, "Ever watch Dear Leader speak when his teleprompter is broken? Hilarious. The man simply cannot put half a dozen words together without a connecting"

I seem to remember a teleprompter-less appearance he made a couple of weeks ago at the House GOP retreat in Baltimore, where he SCHOOLED a room full of Republicans. I almost felt sorry for those poor guys after getting such an intellectual smack down.

It's really funny. I've never heard someone criticized for using a teleprompter until recently. Everybody uses them, but not a peep about it until we have a president whose oratorical skills are unmatched. But instead of giving him any credit as a great speaker, you point to the teleprompter as the source of his power. It would be kind of funny... if it wasn't so completely lame.

You can whine about teleprompters all you like, but questioning this president's intellect will only have others questioning yours.

February 16, 2010 at 9:05 a.m.
Livn4life said...

There YOU GO AGAIN, legitimizing the one you make fun of. I love this country! The joke would be on a lot of people IF and it is a big IF Sarah Palin ends up in an influential role. But then, pundits would create a scenario wherein she failed even if everything pointed to success. WHO KNOWS? Clay, keep on giving her credibility and see where it leads.

February 16, 2010 at 9:10 a.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Considering President Reagan also used a teleprompter, Republicans use Double Speak again.

February 16, 2010 at 9:31 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

What do liberals write on their hands? "Whoever disagrees with us is a corrupt moron." (Cartoon and 9 or so of the above comments offer variations on this theme.) What loathsome paternalism--but than liberalism is loathsome paternalism, people wanting to run our lives. Oh, well, what can you expect of the party of Jefferson Davis? Sarah Palin turns a few words into a speech; President Obama usually leans pretty hard on his teleprompter. She quit as governor of Alaska; he spent most of his time in the U.S. Senate running for President. Both look good. Both have gotten more doen than anyone commenting here. Alprova, yeah there've been "outlandish accusations" about our President, but he said his stimulus package would keep unemployment below 8%. He said he wanted negotiations on C-SPAN. He says health insurance reform can cut costs and cover more people at the same time. He put a Republican in Ted Kennedy's Senate seat. Granted his brainpower, has he maybe bitten off more than he can chew? And isn't that problem inherent in liberals, who are so smart they think they should run our lives and not just their own? The cartoons at HenryPayne.com don't get printed here; one LOL cartoon there showed President Obama's State of the Union address saying '2010 looks bad, but consider the mess I inherited from the man who's been in the White House the last twelve months.'

February 16, 2010 at 9:39 a.m.

Sean Delonas of the NY post is much more original and creative than Bennett:

http://www.nypost.com/opinion/cartoons/delonas.htm/delonas.htm

February 16, 2010 at 9:45 a.m.
maj said...

I don't think Republicans are using double speak. I certainly am not. My main irritation came when the White House press secretary actually mocked Palin by writing grocery items on his hand. How immature and unprofessional. Definitely nervy when his President can't speak without a teleprompter. As I said before, a few simple words on the hand just doesn't compare.

February 16, 2010 at 10:33 a.m.
dss said...

Still? Really, Clay? When there's no material, bust on Palin. It's getting quite old, even for someone who isn't a huge fan of her but becomes more of one with the increasing vitriol that is spewed her way.

Still waiting for the John Edwards cartoon. I guess what he did is nothing in comparison to, brace yourself, writing on a hand.

February 16, 2010 at 11:16 a.m.
Clara said...

Hi Bookie,

It was Cheney and others who caused Bush's problems!

The cartoon shows 2 politicians.

Whatever happened to Statesmen?

February 16, 2010 at 11:23 a.m.

Alpo, Obama has received more scrutiny and ridicule for his qualifications, or lack there of, than any president in history because it is true. Do you know why people call crack whores "crack whore"? Because they smoke crack and are whores!

You say Palin appeals to those of lower intelligence. Why don't you like her? Are you implying that Obama is more appealing to the intellects? Oh, that's rich.
He spent more money in his first 6 months in office then all previous presidents combined. Do you think he made that decision based on his vast experience? POTUS is the first executive position he has ever had. Any manager at Burger King has more executive experience than Barack Telepromp Obama.
Palin; City Mayor, Governor, Commander n Chief of the Alaskan National Guard. It may seem small to the simple minded sheeple like yourself Alpo, but she does have executive experience.

Ollie, I'll question his intellect. What has Obama done? Just one example of an intellectual achievement? That's okay, I'll wait.

Clay, your cartoon is funny, misleading and bias, but funny never the less.

February 16, 2010 at 12:01 p.m.
TNborn said...

well, folks, if Barbie can get her entire political platform on the palm of her hand, there's a problem.

...and about President Obama's use of "uh" and "um", etc.: anyone who knows anything about expressive language knows that when an intelligent speaker (even if you don't like him, you're a fool if you think he is not intelligent) uses verbal pauses, they are trying to be sure their statements are clear and accurate - precautions that Miss Wasilla casts aside every time she opens her mouth.

The Rep party needs to get on the ball and prepare a viable, intelligent and informed candidate for the primaries. Although Palin has stepped out far too soon to survive her own gaffes on the way to the primaries, she could still draw enough primary votes away from a viable Rep candidate to cripple their candidacy - see historical footnote ("How Ralph Nader gave the White House to Jeb Bush so he could sublet it to his brudder in 2000").

February 16, 2010 at 12:05 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

So far, Sarah is about the only Republican who has hinted, wink wink, that she may be a party candidate in 2012. Of course she is going to be scrutinized.

The reason for her being lampooned for her Palm-Prompter was that she had just smirked about Obama using a Tele-Prompter. A hypocritical faux pas like this, combined with the prearranged softball questions is fodder for cartoonists.

Add to this the fact that at her next couple of speeches she has banned video cameras or sound recorders and you have a person who once again shows a propensity for quitting when things get tough. Retreating from open scrutinization as a potential presidential candidate will only add grist to the mill that shows she is not ready for prime time.

You Betcha.

February 16, 2010 at 1:53 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Alprova-February 16, 2010 at 6:34 a.m.

Nice post.

February 16, 2010 at 1:57 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Teleprompter and notes on a hand are apples and oranges. She does not stutter and stammer when asked questions that do not have the answers written out. While I am not a huge fan of hers for president, I do respect her as a leader. And to put her down for leaving the governorship early is very lame of all who do so. You have no idea what is truly going on in people’s lives and why they do certain things.

As far as being able to put her political resume on her hand, the Prez does not have any room to talk. He can put his on one ear. With room to spare I might add.

February 16, 2010 at 2:04 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Nurse- Sarah is welcome to quit her job as Governor and offer whatever reason she wishes for doing so.

That does not exclude her from scrutiny for her decision.

Her decision to ban video cameras or sound recorders at her next couple of speeches, which I'm sure she also can logically explain as some higher principal, lends credence to people who say that when the going gets tough, Sarah drops out.

You will have to pardon people who don't buy her quitting for the good of Alaska excuse.

February 16, 2010 at 3 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

So if she poses no threat to the Dems or to you, hotdemy, why do you feel the need to put her down so? And this is such an old story, it hardly seems like it is worth your time or Clay's for that matter.

February 16, 2010 at 3:09 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Nurse-hotdemy, hey I actually like that.

"So if she poses no threat to the Dems or to you, hotdemy, why do you feel the need to put her down so"?

Nurse, she has voluntarily put herself out on the world stage representing the Republican party and her views. Do you think it is unfair to critique her either verbally, or in cartoons.

When you put yourself in the spotlight, expect people to have opinions about you.

And perhaps you misunderstand me. I WANT her to run in 2012.

RUN, SARAH, RUN. He He. You Betcha.

February 16, 2010 at 3:48 p.m.
rolando said...

Dear Leader is not intelligent...he is crafty. He is not well-educated...he is cunning. He is not experienced...he is an organizer and a half-baked one at that. He is not well-spoken...he reads well. There is a good chance he isn't even a US citizen but is a Kenyan. His "education" is a total unknown.

In a word...Dear Leader The Socialist is a politician -- in the worst sense of the word. He has taken this country to the brink of bankruptcy and, eventually if given the time, into the morass of communism.

But he DOES have his followers -- the blind ones.

February 16, 2010 at 4:29 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Dear Olando-Wow, kinda paranoid today aren't we. I think that was addressed in that report about conservatism.

Paranoia-Paranoia is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat towards oneself.

This is a treatable condition.

February 16, 2010 at 5:27 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nurse posted: "While I am not a huge fan of hers for president, I do respect her as a leader. And to put her down for leaving the governorship early is very lame of all who do so. You have no idea what is truly going on in people’s lives and why they do certain things."

If she stepped down as governor, it would certainly be understandable: 5 kids, including one special-needs, and an unwed teen mother. To withdraw from public life to tend to her family would be admirable. Why is she still on the lecture/speech circuit and talking about campaigning for Republicans?

February 16, 2010 at 6:32 p.m.
alprova said...

nurseforjustice wrote: "Teleprompter and notes on a hand are apples and oranges."

You're right. A teleprompter is used to aid a professional to speak in front of large crowds. Crib notes is a method used in grade school to cheat on tests, when one is not up to the task of remembering test criteria.

"She does not stutter and stammer when asked questions that do not have the answers written out."

And your point is...???

"While I am not a huge fan of hers for president, I do respect her as a leader."

She's a flash in a pan.

"And to put her down for leaving the governorship early is very lame of all who do so. You have no idea what is truly going on in people’s lives and why they do certain things."

She TOLD everyone why she quit. She was being dogged with ethic inquiry after ethic inquiry. The only melodrama going on in the background where her family was concerned was that the entire nation was digging into her background, and she couldn't hack it.

"As far as being able to put her political resume on her hand, the Prez does not have any room to talk. He can put his on one ear. With room to spare I might add."

The man never quit a thing, for starters. He put himself through law school. He spent a decade and a half, knee deep while living in the slums on the South side of Chicago, working to improve the lives of people who were never given a second look, much less a chance.

The man attended Columbia University and Harvard. He taught Constitutional law for eight years in Chicago.

He served his electorate well as a three term Illinois State Senator. He served three years of his term as a U.S. Senator. More telling, the man has never had so much as one formal ethic complaint brought against him in all of his political career.

There is absolutely no comparison to be made between himself and Sarah Palin, as hard as some would like to.

February 16, 2010 at 6:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando offered: "Dear Leader is not intelligent...he is crafty. He is not well-educated...he is cunning. He is not experienced...he is an organizer and a half-baked one at that. He is not well-spoken...he reads well. There is a good chance he isn't even a US citizen but is a Kenyan. His "education" is a total unknown."

Bunk, bunk, bunk, and more bunk. You're unaware of his background because you have failed to take the time to look it up. Case closed.

"In a word...Dear Leader The Socialist is a politician -- in the worst sense of the word. He has taken this country to the brink of bankruptcy and, eventually if given the time, into the morass of communism."

Do you ever offer any of your own thoughts Rolando? I mean, gee...we can read this same crap on Conservative, Tea-bagging, or Republican websites and blogs across the land.

Try doing your own research every now and then. You might learn something for a change.

"But he DOES have his followers -- the blind ones."

I don't like doing this, because I find making comparisons to others arguably a waste of time, but Sarah Palin has her followers too.

Be they male, female, or something in-between, her followers are likely unable to engage in an intelligent conversation, are loveless, sexless, and horribly, hopelessly...horny. The woman is eye candy and nothing more.

February 16, 2010 at 6:55 p.m.
Oz said...

The speech must have been great! The only criticism has been about the notes on her hand.

February 16, 2010 at 7:20 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Wow, Alprova, you're on fire tonight.

Great posts.

February 16, 2010 at 7:37 p.m.
Max said...

This whole teleprompter complaint is so bogus. All politicians, including Reagan "The Great Communicator" used them and have used them for years. The thing about Obama is that when you watch him without the teleprompter he delivers well thought out arguments in complete sentences. He thinks on his feet remarkably well. His comments in such settings reveal the deep knowledge he has of the subjects he must address. Only Bill Clinton compares. What silly complaints you losing conservatives have. A lot of labeling and that is completely specious. No substance.

February 16, 2010 at 8:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Thanks Hotdiggity...

I have a bunch of random thoughts that hit me while I was doing the dishes this evening.

To all those who consider Sarah Palin a leader, I would love a straight answer to a simple question. What has she done to demonstrate her leadership?

She has not founded any movement. She's jumped on the bandwagon of several. She can't put together cognitive sentences on a social website. But the woman can dole out a heap of criticism. That's her forte.

Currently, the woman would speak in front of an abortion clinic, that is if enough people would plop enough money in the hat she would throw on the sidewalk.

The woman is a side show act and she would fit right in at the circus.

Tea-Partiers, all 600 of them, think that the woman is in their camp. Did they actually LISTEN to her speech. She was careful to laud praise but fell far short of endorsing a thing they stood for. She consistently using the words, "your," "you," and the words, "tea-partiers," NEVER once stating that she was one of them.

Now let's compare her to someone that she should be compared to. She's no Barack Obama, and she sure hasn't achieved the distinction of holding ANY national political office or even held an elevated position within our Federal Government.

Put her side by side Hillary Clinton. Yes, Hillary was a US Senator. Both have or have had high hopes to be the first female President. Compare their intelligence levels. Sarah is a dim bulb, at best. Hillary is very intelligent. There's never been any doubt about that. No one has caught her cribbing notes on her hands, that's for sure.

Sarah is conservative. Hillary is quite the opposite.

Hillary is currently our Secretary of State. And you know what? The woman is doing a fantastic job. I used to have nothing but contempt for Hillary, because her entire life seemed to be a quest to become the first female President. I was convinced that she would never in a million years settle for the SoS position when it was offered by President Obama. She took it, to my utter amazement.

I now have a newfound and very high regard for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, mainly because she has offered something I previously thought she was incapable of offering anyone. What is it?

Respect. Hillary has offered complete respect for our President and has proven herself to be an excellent Ambassador to this nation.

Now, if you REALLY think Sarah Palin is ready for prime time, close your eyes and imagine her attempting her first sit down meeting with the President of Iran or Russia.

It's scary to think that there are people who would vote her into office as President. Mediocrity is more dangerous than old fashioned communism, in my opinion.

February 16, 2010 at 8:27 p.m.
rolando said...

You have no authority to close any case, alpo...you just think you do.

Every point I made is as valid as anything you OR the hotdog have blathered about here.

NOW the case is closed.


Speaking of the hotdog, he is a valid case study for a psychosis. He has delusional beliefs and thought disorders; he has lost contact with reality; many of his problems seem to stem from a need to potty-train himself and do away with the Depends...or perhaps to cut back on the voluntary use of recreational drugs.

These may or may not be treatable.

February 16, 2010 at 8:36 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

al,

I wonder how many people have been murdered by mediocrity?

Surely there were a few. I can't think of any off the top of my head, perhaps you could help me out.

"Old fashioned communism" killed 100 million +. This is fact.

Would you like to rephrase that last bit, or do you really believe that BS?

As for Palin meeting with foreign leaders, do you think she would bow before them? Do you believe she would insult them with lame gifts, or refuse their private dinner invitations?

February 16, 2010 at 8:43 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

I guess Palin picked up the palm notes technique from the likes of http://www.associatedcontent.com/image/967119/index.html?cat=75

Of course, Palin wasn't using those notes during a televised debate in which the rules disallowed notes of any kind. I guess this is another one of those leftist double standards.

February 16, 2010 at 8:54 p.m.
rolando said...

And yet, Max, here you are posting on a thread dedicated to destroying the credibility of someone making speaking notes before a speech... What does that tell you?

And you would compare Bill Clinton's accomplished and polished ad lib speaking abilities with those of Dear Leader? Absolutely no comparison. Slick Willie was a master of the debate and public speaking. I heard him stumble only once and that was understandable -- he was denying having sex "with......that woman". Neither he NOR Reagan needed a teleprompter -- Dear Leader MUST have one to speak coherently -- even before children. Finally, if he wrote on his hand he would stumble over THOSE words. HE is the one, after all, who spoke before reporters ONLY with a teleprompter...THAT defined the man. Sorta creates the idea that maybe their "questions" were just a tad pre-arranged...

February 16, 2010 at 8:54 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "You have no authority to close any case, alpo...you just think you do."

I really don't need to close the case. You do a fine job of that every time you post your completely ignorant points...no offense.

"Every point I made is as valid as anything you OR the hotdog have blathered about here."

Do you know what you are Rolando? You are a legend in your own mind. You see, you have never held a whole lot of credibility, but when you post your OPINION that there is a "good chance that the President was born in Kenya," the snakes don't slither where your credibility lingers after making a statement like that.

'Gullible' does not begin to describe someone who at this point and time, has not come to understand that there is absolutely no evidence on this planet that begins to disprove the FACT that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

The word 'ignorant' is not strong enough either. Ignorant people often desire to know the truth and will educate themselves to the FACTS when there is doubt. You apparently have no interest in arriving at a solid conclusion. You'd rather languish in ignorance.

"NOW the case is closed."

Indeed it is.

Just remember, the door to enlightenment unlocks from the inside. No one is holding you hostage.

February 16, 2010 at 9:01 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

al,

So what is the difference between doubting Odumdum's origins and this:

Whenever Bush provides proof he completed his obligation in Alabama I will believe him. No commanding officer has ever came forward to state unequivocally that Bush reported for duty.hotdiggity | On: February 12, 2010 at 4:55 a.m.

Are these not essentially the same thing? Why no stones for HD?

February 16, 2010 at 9:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Scotty Wrote: " "Old fashioned communism" killed 100 million +. This is fact.

Would you like to rephrase that last bit, or do you really believe that BS?"

Absolutely and yes, absolutely.

Are you suggesting that Communists, who tend to believe that societal wealth should be controlled, up to and including spreading it across the board to all people, and who believe in a classless, stateless and oppression-free society, would resort to 'murder' in order to enforce their beliefs?

They might 'fight' for it, but murder to achieve it? That's rather unlikely.

Scott, you're smarter than that.

Don't confuse Tyranny with Communism, just as Joseph McCarthy did. Actually, he knew what he was doing. The man was attempting to protect Capitalism, which unchecked can lead to an almost state of tyranny.

Look around you. Capitalism run amok is at the core as to why this nation is foundering at the moment.

Tyrannical Governments, eager to protect the life of Riley for a chosen minority, resort to murderous acts to keep their opponents at bay.

Look at our health care system for the first clue as to what I am referring to.

Insurers are absolutely causing adult people to expire, rather than to sell these adult people health care coverage, or their policy is canceled, all in the name of profit, which if you ask me, is good old American financial tyranny.

But a poor woman, without enough resources to begin to raise a child, is often forced carry to term and to download that child, because certain segments of society deem an embryo sacred.

Communism, in it's true and pure form, would provide the financial resources for both sick adults and unborn children to thrive, but for some reason, there are those people who cannot wrap their minds around any concept or system that would allow a Government to provide basic services for an entire society, so that all people would have a chance to grow, to be healthy, to be productive, and to prosper.

Capitalism and it's byproduct of greed for those at the top....good.

Communism and the sharing of the wealth for the common good of all...bad.

Get it?

February 16, 2010 at 9:42 p.m.
rolando said...

Aren't meaningless little pithy sayings just so...so...well...meaningless?

Any more of those...ah, nevemind. I'm sure you do.

February 16, 2010 at 9:45 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

"Don't confuse Tyranny with Communism" Name one nation which has undertaken a pursuit of the latter without devolving into the former.

"Capitalism run amok is at the core as to why this nation is foundering at the moment."

Wrong. Bloated government, unaffordable social programs and bureaucratic meddling in the free market are the causes of our current problems.

"Communism, in it's true and pure form..." cannot coexist with freedom. It requires that all citizens submit themselves to the will of the state, and the ruling elite. It has never existed and never will. I'm surprised to see you advocating this sort of Utopian delusion.

"Communism" is a an unattainable fantasy foisted upon the gullible in order to empower the ruthless.

"there are those people who cannot wrap their minds around any concept or system that would allow a Government to provide basic services for an entire society"

There are people who cannot wrap their minds around the fact that anything the government gives to one person was in fact taken by force from someone else.

February 16, 2010 at 10:26 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

LOL- Oh my gosh. Alprova in a battle of wits with Scott and Rolando they come to you without any ammunition.

To even suggest that Palin is in anyway as intelligent, capable, or has a better grasp of the world as Obama, is ludicrous. To suggest she is in anyway presidential verges on lunacy. It's amazing that people like them would set such a low standard of support for a person who would be the leader of the free world.

Style over substance, that's their mantra. Just check out their last choice. His administration has ruined this country and now they are foundering around chasing the promises of Sarah. Jeez, at least raise your standards for a credible candidate. You Betcha.

February 17, 2010 at 1:18 a.m.
alprova said...

Scott Wrote: "Wrong. Bloated government, unaffordable social programs and bureaucratic meddling in the free market are the causes of our current problems."

Good point. Had three former elected Republicans left laws in place that prevented banks, insurance companies, and investment firms from merging businesses and their books, the snowball would not have taken it's down-the-hill ride.

"I'm surprised to see you advocating this sort of Utopian delusion."

I'm not, in total. However, Capitalism as it has become has left a very sour taste in my mouth. I'm not alone.

"There are people who cannot wrap their minds around the fact that anything the government gives to one person was in fact taken by force from someone else."

Let's carry this to it's illogical conclusion.

Your answer, I am assuming, to all that ails this nation is to let the strong, the cunning, the greedy, etc. to survive. Conversely, it would be more fitting to let the weak, the sick, the victimized, and the poor to be eliminated through attrition.

If and when that process were completed, who will the strong pick on? Who will the cunning victimize? Who will the greedy plunder?

Who will wait on you when you are hungry? Who will provide the services and goods that you can pay for? Who will pick the cotton?

Although slave owners were idiots, most of them weren't stupid. They realized that to get the most out of their investment, there was a certain amount of maintenance required to keep them healthy and able to work.

I guess there are some who think that since there is a steady supply of 'slaves' these days, there is no need to maintain them at all. Use them, abuse them, then throw them in the trash when their usefulness is over and done with, and find another to replace them.

It kinda describes the employment strategy by corporate America these days, dontcha think?

February 17, 2010 at 6:07 a.m.
rolando said...

"I guess there are some who think that since there is a steady supply of 'slaves' these days, there is no need to maintain them at all. Use them, abuse them, then throw them in the trash when their usefulness is over and done with, and find another to replace them."

Sounds to me like the current administration, especially Dear Leader [a wannabe Massa} and with his two Simon LeGrees, Pelosi and Reid.

February 17, 2010 at 6:58 a.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Wow al, that's quite the victim attitude you've got there.

February 17, 2010 at 7:14 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

Wow, I haven't read this thread in a couple of days and now I find Al advocating communism! Unbelievable! I always knew you are an odd person with odd thoughts Al, but communism? Really? Wow!

And... "Insurers are absolutely causing adult people to expire..."
1. Say die if that is the word you mean. People don't expire, bad food does. But euphemistic language is another problem all together... 2. That is a ludicrous accusation. Why aren't the people behind it in prison then?

Al, you really do have some very deep personal issues if you truly believe half of the garbage that comes from your keyboard on this site.

February 17, 2010 at 8:42 a.m.
TNborn said...

Al - u r well prepared and speak to the points in a thoughtful and informed way - even at times, offering criticisms of your own thinking. It's too bad that those who offer opposite opinions can only provide their impressions and distortions, repeating what they've been told to think -over and over again. The negativity and ignorance shown by Rolando is only surpassed by the anger he exudes. It's pitiful.

February 17, 2010 at 9:52 a.m.
rolando said...

It's about time someone shows anger at this administration and this Congress, TNborn. The Massachusetts voters are just the beginning.

There are an overwhelming number of negative actions taken by this administration and Congress compared to the positives. A multi-trillion dollar annual budget is just the start; the 14+ trillion dollar national debt is another. Trying to destroy the finest medical care system in the world is another...but we caught them, didn't we?

How's your job situation? You are working, I trust? Still got your house? Too many people out here don't have any of those anymore.

Funny how those things Blamed on Bush are the very things Dear Leader and his minions said they would fix during their campaign. Yet here we are, over a year downstream, and things have only gotten steadily worse. Guess they can't fix it, huh? Makes for positives there, does it?

February 17, 2010 at 10:39 a.m.
Humphrey said...

"Dear Leader cannot speak the simplest words before an audience of 12-year-olds without using his teleprompter! LOL He is primo LibTard and the idol of LibProgs everywhere. THAT's who THEIR idol is. He makes great theatre...the comic relief/slow-witted sidekick part."

He didn't need a teleprompter to take apart all of the republican congressmen on TV. Or to talk to 12-year-olds...fact checking is your friend...

http://tinyurl.com/yj9vvtd

February 17, 2010 at 1:32 p.m.
TNborn said...

rolando - you're the first conservative I've ever heard defend the under-served class - obviously an uncensored knee-jerk on your part.

Our larger situation could not possibly have emerged in a single year - it took at least 8 years to get us where we are - if not more.

Why do you get so angry when anyone counters what you say? You don't even think about contrary opinions befoer you start yelling at them. I'm waiting for your next ridiculous remarks.....

February 17, 2010 at 2:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Scott wrote: "Wow al, that's quite the victim attitude you've got there."

Why is it that because someone sees things as they are for many, that the situation HAS to pertain to that person?

I've never been a victim of anything. My life, despite a setback or two, has been great and it continues to be great. I am far better off today than I was a year ago. No one is more responsible for that, than myself.

That does not mean that because my personal outlook has improved, that I am to bury my head in the sand and forget what is going on in this country.

February 17, 2010 at 7:20 p.m.
alprova said...

Musicman375 wrote: "Wow, I haven't read this thread in a couple of days and now I find Al advocating communism! Unbelievable! I always knew you are an odd person with odd thoughts Al, but communism? Really? Wow!"

I haven't fallen off the cliff just yet folks. What I am not is afraid of the word, nor afraid to discuss aspects surrounding it.

"And... "Insurers are absolutely causing adult people to expire..." 1. Say die if that is the word you mean. People don't expire, bad food does. But euphemistic language is another problem all together... 2. That is a ludicrous accusation. Why aren't the people behind it in prison then?"

Because in THIS country, you can't take up a weapon to murder someone, but it is perfectly legal for an insurance company to make life and death decisions and to snatch a policy out from under the feet of someone who suddenly has a need for it.

"Al, you really do have some very deep personal issues if you truly believe half of the garbage that comes from your keyboard on this site."

As always, you are free to hold any opinion under the Sun. Your assessments however, are not necessarily reflective of any truth or fact.

February 17, 2010 at 7:27 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

TNborn- Rolando is in denial. Since his most treasured beliefs of trickle down economics and unregulated markets have been proved lacking, he rails against any reform to protect the citizen as opposed to the corporation.

Since any concept of change is foreign to his beliefs, he deludes himself that continuing the same failed policies will result in a different outcome.

Resistance to change of obviously failed policies has been the great hindrance throughout history. The examples are innumerable.

When it comes to new ideas for change his mantra is...

Just Say No.

And, TNborn, rest assured, you won't have to wait long for more of Rolando's "ridiculous remarks".

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein

February 17, 2010 at 7:53 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Al, If you have an insurance policy, you will know that it is a binding contract which outlines in finite detail exactly which procedures are covered and exactly which type of medical necessity is required to become eligible for any given procedure. On top of that, it is (listen/read carefully to this next part) 3rd party MEDICAL DOCTORS who follow said contracts in determining medical necessity.

Having said all of that, if you are willing to sign a contract that will allow an M.D. to be the determining force in your medical treatment and you cannot agree to that person's views, you need to negotiate a different contract with lesser requirements or chalk up the dough to pay for it yourself in this free country where EVERYONE is intitled to do what they want, meaning that no one is required to help you in the first place.

Sometimes Registered Nurses make those decisions, depending on the procedure and circumstances, and for them the same conditions apply as with the doctors. If you don't like that idea, don't pay for the contract.

And why should you or I challenge the decisions the doctors and nurses are asked to make? You wouldn't appreciate it if people question your personal character on a public stage simply for performing the difficult tasks for which you were schooled very tediously. I know this isn't the first time I have tried to help you understand these facts, but it will definitely be the last.

February 17, 2010 at 10:06 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Oh, and there are two types of truths; absolute and relative. The truths of which you speak are most assuredly the relative ones, which is what enables me to hold said opinions. Believe it or not, I respect your right and ability to say the very same. Cheers

February 17, 2010 at 10:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Musicman, what planet do you live on?

As I have related in this forum several times, in 2005 I had a private medical policy canceled after it had been in force for more than a decade. In January of last year, I was fired from a job that I had held for three years, due to, and I quote, "excessive medical claims." I was apologized to at the time, but the decision was final. My wife's medical care needs had been extensive, but were almost completed. Their insurance carrier 'requested,' off-the-record of course, that I be terminated. They terminated me.

From 2003 to 2008, I personally wrote checks to medical providers for more than a quarter of a million dollars. Insurers paid another $435,000 in medical claims. I am still wrangling with medical providers over unpaid six figure amounts.

My wife and I are virtually outcasts by any medical insurer, at ANY price. I was turned down for employment more than a dozen times. Several of those prospective employers were very candid as to why I was being turned down. My former employer saw fit to disclose the reason that he canned me.

In case you are not aware of what caused all of this, my wife was hit head-on by an idiot who ran a red light. The digested version of her injuries included 15 broken bones, including her jaw and both cheeks, her internal organs were literally rearranged, and she survived severe brain trauma that should have taken her life within the first 24 hours after being airlifted to Erlanger.

Over the course of five long years, I not only lost our medical insurance, I lost my business, nearly lost my wife three times during surgery, handed over most of my retirement savings to medical providers, and have had to start my financial life over at the age of 50.

The upshot to all of this, is that she is now fully recovered, and other than a few aches and pains that plague her now and then, she's very much like she was before the crash.

Are we victims? Nope. Stuff happens. Am I bitter? Not at all. I am a survivor. No one would hire me, so I took the plunge and opened another business with what little I had left of my retirement stash.

God never closes a door without opening another one for you.

To all of you who defend our glorious health care system as it stands today, I wish you the best of luck. Your education as to just how lousy it truly can be, is only a sudden and severe medical crisis away.

Had I not been a person to scrimp and save, and had the resources to weather a five year quest to save my wife's life, would she be alive today?

I'd have been visiting her grave for the past several years, having commenced shortly after our private health care insurance company decided that she was human garbage.

February 18, 2010 at 1:11 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Alprova, thank you for sharing that. Thankfully you had the resources and fortitude to see your way through. This was the first time I have read your post regarding your wife's illness. I understand now your passion regarding this issue, and I would hope that others realize that this happens on a daily basis.

These are REAL people out there. I have a good health benefit plan and I would wish this good fortune on everyone. How people can stand by indifferently while their fellow citizens suffer or die from lack of proper care, or go bankrupt from medical bills is beyond me.

62% of bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses. Of those who filed for bankruptcy in 2007, nearly 80 percent had health insurance.

Take the blinders off. The system is broken and will not fix itself. Anyone who would fail to be moved by both Alprova's experience and other published horror stories of this broken system need not pontificate about "truth" and "American Values", while offering nothing more than the same tired status quo policies.

February 18, 2010 at 2:41 a.m.
Sailorman said...

"Take the blinders off. The system is broken and will not fix itself. Anyone who would fail to be moved by both Alprova's experience and other published horror stories of this broken system need not pontificate about "truth" and "American Values", while offering nothing more than the same tired status quo policies."

You're right - who could fail to be moved? I'm not sure I would handle the situation as well as Alprova. As for the rest of the comment, well, all I can say is follow your own advice: take the blinders off. Being "moved" doesn't mean we should pass whatever cr*p legislation congress comes up with because it makes us feel better. If you think the bills being considered would make the "broken system" better, I'll repeat Alprova's question: What planet do you live on? Is the current system, in fact, broken? Absolutely and probably beyond repair. Would "Obamacare" fix it? Absolutely not. Have you actually looked at the bills? Blame them all, Dems and Repubs alike, for playing politics and bowing to the money that gets them reelected. Simplistic jingoism - raise taxes on the wealthy, cut XX dollars from medicare, regulate insurance companies - is so much blather. A structural overall, top to bottom, of the entire system is what's needed. Then we could talk about universal health care - which ought to be the goal. As it is, the system is unmanageable, unfair, and driving us to financial ruin. The current legislation would make it even worse.

February 18, 2010 at 7:49 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

Al, I am thankful that you and your wife were resilient enough to make it through your horrible situation. God was truly watching over and helping you both.

Still though, if we depended on the government to deliver our health care, your wife would still be waiting on a surgeon who could treat her. Obamacare is not the answer to our insurance problems. Medical costs are obviously not cheap. The government can bully the providers into accepting lower payments only to a certain point before they cannot afford the expenses themselves. Dr's have costs for operating just like any business and when the government demands them to lower their costs, they cannot do the same to their suppliers.

Even though you were unjustly denied employement due to this, (which is aweful and I'm not trying to downplay that in any way) she was still able to receive timely treatment to keep her alive... thank God. Just wait and see how many providers retire/change careers if Obamacare gets approved. It MIGHT be cheap (which I don't actually believe it will be), but it'll only be cheap if there is a doctor available to do the work.

February 18, 2010 at 8:58 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

Did the auto insurance(s) not cover any charges? I would think there should be some subrogation there. Did you pursue a settlement/suit from the person who hit her? It seems like you really got the bad end of the deal if all the carrier paid was 435,000 and you were stuck owing more than that. Were her surgeons and doctors in network? You get a savings, usually in the thousands of dollars for this type of work, when you go in net.

I imagine you have probably fielded all of these questions in the past, and I'm not trying to be insensitive. I am only curious and wouldn't blame you for not answering.

February 18, 2010 at 12:35 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Sailor, perhaps you misunderstood my post. In fact most of your post basically reiterates what I said. Being "moved" by cases like Alprova's or others is one of the reasons for the urgency of reforming this health care system. His post is a reminder that even people who play by the rules are subject to ruination from this system. This is not some bleeding heart cry for change for the sake of change.

This is a call for a broken system of health care in the United States that places profits above the well being of its citizens, 46 million Americans uninsured, skyrocketing costs, etc., and the irresponsibility of our leaders to address this issue. This is an economic and a moral issue. Cherry picking, denying claims, dropping coverage, etc. while enjoying anti-trust protection is also insane.

I have no idea what you mean by "all I can say is follow your own advice: take the blinders off." My point about "blinders" is people failing to recognize how broken this system is, and to continue without change (status quo), is unacceptable. Even YOUR post agrees with this.

Did you see anything in my post supporting "Obamacare"? Perhaps you are being a little presumptuous?

"A structural overall, top to bottom, of the entire system is what's needed." I couldn't agree more with a complete overhaul. The devil is in the details. Hopefully the televised summit next week will let us see where our politicians stand. So far the Repubs seem to be lacking in anything specific and the Dems have several plans.

The rub in doing that is going to be do can we somehow find a way to help Americans with health care needs while still allowing a free market system for providers.

We have the most expensive care in the world, we pay more as a a percent of GDP by a long shot than any other industrialized country, we have one of the lowest life expectancy and highest infant mortality rate, than most all industrialized countries. I am convinced that a lack of emphasis on preventative care is at the crux of this problem. Somehow this has to change.

February 18, 2010 at 3:27 p.m.
Sailorman said...

HD not presumptuous - I misread your post. You are correct in that the devil is indeed in the details. In the case of our medical system, so is the money - and a lot of it. I guess I've gotten a little crazy with the constant demands to "pass healthcare reform" without any notion of what that means.

Preventative medicine would indeed make a big difference. It should be included in whatever program emerges - along with a thousand other changes.

I hope we're not disappointed by what we see next week. I will say the Repubs have put forth some proposals but I don't put any more stock in them than I do in those of the Dems. They both like to hit the emotional hot buttons - they just pick different ones. Tort reform here, public option there. There are no clean hands in this mess.

If Washington blows it this time, we're in for a world of hurt - literally and figuratively.

February 18, 2010 at 6:03 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Sailor, like yourself I hope this just does not turn into a pandering, one-upmanship circus. Heck, a little compromise on both sides would be a refreshing.

February 18, 2010 at 6:20 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Anyone seen the text of the suicide note from the man who crashed into the IRS building today? Pretty heady stuff. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/joe-stack-statement-alleg_n_467539.html?page=2

My apologies for pointing to this liberal site :) Its the only place I could find a lengthy part of his note

February 18, 2010 at 7 p.m.
Sailorman said...

He had some legitimate points - doesn't mean he wasn't nuts.

February 18, 2010 at 8:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Musicman375 wrote: "Did the auto insurance(s) not cover any charges?"

The coverage that the man had didn't even pay for the replacement cost of our car, which we had bought new only weeks prior to the crash.

"I would think there should be some subrogation there."

You can't squeeze blood from a turnip. He didn't own a thing to go after.

"Did you pursue a settlement/suit from the person who hit her?"

The costs of going after him amounted to more than what could have been collected, but...that WAS done to force payments from our private insurance, for as long as THAT lasted. Our private insurer canceled the policy the minute her 'emergency' medical care ended.

"It seems like you really got the bad end of the deal if all the carrier paid was 435,000 and you were stuck owing more than that."

Most of that money was paid by insurance for the first nine days of her care. The balance, paid by myself, was for surgeries and three subsequent hospitalizations related to repairing her skull, her cheeks, and to (pardon me) put her internal organs back in place. All three times she was on a table to piece her back together, I was DEMANDED to pay all costs up-front.

"Were her surgeons and doctors in network? You get a savings, usually in the thousands of dollars for this type of work, when you go in net. "

The only network open to me, under the policy in place on the day of the crash, was Hutcheson Memorial Hospital and their associates. Her trauma was too severe and thus wound up being airlifted to Erlanger. Nine days after the crash, our insurer bowed out of the picture, eliminating any concern with networks.

"I imagine you have probably fielded all of these questions in the past, and I'm not trying to be insensitive. I am only curious and wouldn't blame you for not answering."

It's not a problem, but I can't name names or get too specific, because there is pending litigation against my former private health care insurer, my former employer and their insurer, and against several medical providers who relentlessly bilked me out of more up-front than they were supposed to have collected from me.

My wife's medical care was concluded early last year, so things are starting to move in getting all of this settled to some degree, one way or the other.

Any money that is recovered will be nice, but my only goal from day one, was to see her receive the care she needed to get to where she is today.

I'm going to follow this post with an example of just one incident that occurred in 2007, which points out the fact that not all medical PROVIDERS are equal.

February 18, 2010 at 10:53 p.m.
alprova said...

Follow-up to my prior post.

Early in the spring of 2007, my wife was slated for a very intensive round of surgery related to her automobile accident. This particular procedure involved a final repair to internal organs.

She was on the table for 6 hours. I took her home twelve hours after she was admitted. 24 hours after returning to home, there were signs that something was not right. She was experiencing more pain than was normal and she could not even hold water down.

As the day progressed, her symptoms grew worse. I called the Surgeon's office and after a brief conversation, I was urged to call 911 for an ambulance.

Upon her arrival at the hospital, she was taken back and evaluated. 45 minutes later, I was told that she was bleeding internally and that two of her bile ducts had also been "nicked."

The surgeon who performed the surgery 29 hours prior took his sweet time in getting there. Now keep in mind that the man had basically screwed up, but before he even went to see my wife, the first thing out of his mouth when he came to see me in the waiting room, was to ask for a $5,000 check from me.

I absolutely lost it. Four years of frustration boiled over and emanated from my mouth in response to his demand for a check. His response thirty seconds into my rant was to basically tell me that someone else would have to operate on her. I concluded with a less than cordial statement to the effect that he would come to regret his decision. He laughed at me. I came extremely close to committing murder at that moment.

As I attempted to calm down and while sending up a prayer, to ask forgiveness for my lack of manners, and to pray for my wife at the same time, I was interrupted by a nurse. She first of all told me that another Surgeon was on the way to do the necessary repairs and she assured me that my wife was being cared for and was resting at the moment.

Four hours later, the Surgeon who had been called in to do the repairs came to see me. He told me that my wife was doing well and that she would be feeling much better very soon. He also said that he had been told of what had transpired between the other surgeon and myself and he offered a very moving apology, not as a Physician he said, but as a human being. He also informed me that no bill would be sent to me for his services.

It turned out that the first Surgeon was on staff with a group of Physicians that also included the second Surgeon. The jerk was expelled from the practice because the others were tired of his behavior. The letter sent to me, informing me of the group's decision, was framed and it now hangs in my home office, next to the copy of the check that the so and so wrote to me, refunding every cent of the fees that he had previously collected from me.

That was a condition imposed upon him by the group in exchange for a clean and untarnished release.

Don't worry folks. The jerk now practices slicing and dicing in the northeast.

February 19, 2010 at midnight
hotdiggity said...

Alprova- Wow, what a story. I have copied and pasted this. Thank you much for sharing this and I wish your wife the very best. She has been through hell.

If you have not already done so, I urge you to send this to some of our elected officials. A truly moving story and thanks again.

February 19, 2010 at 1:15 a.m.
BobMKE said...

When there are more people in the cart then are pulling the cart, then that is the end of this Country.

February 21, 2010 at 12:05 a.m.
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