published Wednesday, June 2nd, 2010

David & Goliath

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Tax_Payer said...

I do believe it is in reverse theses days with Israels people attempting to control the world. Too bad they did not hearken to the words of Jesus Christ when he attempted to win their hearts and bring them salvation. They choose to have control over whatever they possibly can -- namely the media, so they can sow corruption among God's people and have the upper hand.

June 2, 2010 at 12:13 a.m.
OllieH said...

Gee Tax_payer, thanks for getting us off to a rousing stop.

June 2, 2010 at 1:18 a.m.
woody said...

If one reads the Bible and, of course, believes to any degree what is written there, it is plain to see(?) Israel (even before there was an Israel) was and is its own worst enemy.

Dating back as far as when God first spoke to Abraham the "Children of Israel" have had the opportunity to become better than they were, and yet continually 'came up short' due mainly to the fact they allowed their grasp to extend farther than their reach. (I hope I got that one right. It's similar to having bigger eyes than stomachs, etc., etc.)

However, if there is a "12-Step Program" for countries I doubt if Israel would sign up. At least not until they can get past Step One. Admitting they have a problem.

Shalom, Woody

June 2, 2010 at 6:15 a.m.
nucanuck said...

My grandmother used to talk to me frequently about what she called the 'Law of Right Action" that should always guide our behavior. I believe she would have used Israel as a negative example of that Law.

June 2, 2010 at 7:10 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

I truly can't believe the number of anti-semites. Seems like a return to the days gone by (does the city of Pulaski mean anything?).

June 2, 2010 at 8:20 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

What a misleading “cartoon”! This portrays that Israel has committed a murderous assault on a peaceful flotilla seeking nothing but the bringing of humanitarian aid to the embattled citizens of Gaza. What a bunch of Bull…!

Do you care that prior to this confrontation with the Israeli commandos, the commander of the six-ship pro-Palestinian flotilla announced participants were planning to use "resistance" and declared the ship's activists wanted to die as "martyrs" more than they wanted to reach the Gaza Strip? That the Israeli naval commandos encountered resistance and live fire when they raided the flotilla?

No…I guess facts do not matter when it comes to Israeli bashing…

Israeli first requested the ships to dock where the cargo would be inspected to weed out any weaponry that might have "accidentally" gotten mixed up with the humanitarian aid, whereupon the aid would have been shipped unmolested into Gaza? No…that probably doesn’t matter….

The whole reason for all of this…and it worked…was precisely to provoke the confrontation with Israel…that they achieved.

Are you aware the "peace activists" had children aboard, knowing they were going to violate international maritime law against an Israel generous with its warnings? Sound familiar?

The little Goliath "Freedom Fighters" favorite weapon is massive biased media coverage. Like this ‘cartoon’! The entire blame for this tragedy falls squarely on these perpetrators of this "peace flotilla."

June 2, 2010 at 8:46 a.m.
Walden said...

The rising tide of anti-Semitism around the World today is truly frightening. Especially with so much of it coming from the so called enlightened elites of our Country's academia and press. We are sowing some terrible seeds these days, and we are going to reap a global catastrophe not seen since the early 1940's. These are scary times.

Q: Why do Jewish people in America still lean so heavily toward the Democratic party? Wake up.

June 2, 2010 at 9 a.m.
Sailorman said...

Jumped right on the bandwagon eh Mr Bennett?

Educate yourself a bit. Then you can pen another cartoon from a more realistic perspective. There are plenty of other sources too.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-finance-flotilla

June 2, 2010 at 9:10 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Draw Boy, Like you or any of the anti-Israeli media and those who believe them have any inkling of what happens over there. We just listen to the anti-Israel sentiments unquestioningly. That is sad.

June 2, 2010 at 9:41 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

This blatant racist attack come from an Obama supporter, that is what is truly ironic. Bennett stands up for ILLEGAL, I repeat ILLEGAL aliens and yet attacks the Jews. What happened to political correctness. Oh, I forgot, that does not apply to the libs.

June 2, 2010 at 9:47 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

You would think educated people would want to make sure of their facts before drawing such a hateful picture. Sad, Clay. Really sad.

June 2, 2010 at 9:49 a.m.
Walden said...

If a conservative drew a picture of a Jew with a nose that big, he would be thoroughly rebuked by self-righteous leftists. This is shameful.

June 2, 2010 at 9:53 a.m.
MountainJoe said...

So any criticism of Israel is automatically anti-Semitic?

Please.

Debate the merits, or lack thereof, of Israel's policies all you want ... but do us all a favor and don't play the race card, OK? Yelling "anti-Semite" at the first sign of criticism is hardly a way to promote productive discussion.

June 2, 2010 at 10:06 a.m.
MountainJoe said...

Big nose, Walden? Good grief! It's a cartoon.

If you look at the felled Palestinian, his nose is at least as big (in proportion to the rest of his cartoon body) as the Israeli's.

What is shameful is demonizing those who hold an opposing as bigoted anti-Semites instead of engaging them in actual debate of the issues. There are lots of other cards in the deck besides the race card ... try playing some of them instead.

June 2, 2010 at 10:09 a.m.
Walden said...

MJ - you cannot deny the Left's current fascination with Islam and Palestine. The way I see it, you are either for America and its allies, or you are with the enemy. What side are you on? Clay is intentionally trying to mis-portray what Israel did in defending its borders. Do you know how many missiles Hamas has lobbed into Israel since they took over Gaza? Come on man, pick your battles better than this.

My comment about the size of "Israel's" nose was intended to point out the absurdity of the Left. They absolutely would have found that as an easy way to play a race card had this been a conservative cartoon. Think things through before you wantonly throw posts out on this site. I thought you were smarter than that?

June 2, 2010 at 10:19 a.m.
Clara said...

IMHO...

I don't know enough facts to draw a conclusion.

Perhaps Clay was wrong to denote Goliath as a midget?

Again, that's my VERY HO.

June 2, 2010 at 10:19 a.m.
Tax_Payer said...

IN my opening post, I did not recognize a large nose. I do know the story of David and Goliath quite well as well as political correctness. It seems that every time someone says any thing negative about Israel or even points to the nation's wrong doings, that person is MARKED as anti-Semitic. It's too bad the race card is almost always pulled out to defend the guilty.

Again, Jesus Christ intended all of us to LOVE our neighbors as well as believe on him as the MESSIAH and follow him.

John 14:6 [Jesus said] I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father [God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob], but by me.

June 2, 2010 at 10:37 a.m.

Hate to break it to you guys on the Left, but anti-Semitism and now anti-Christianity (the 'branch' and the 'grafted in ones') has been on the rise for quite awhile in the media, schools, institutions, and Governments/UN, to name a few. Nu-schmuck and friends here, post baiting, bordering on 'hate the Jews, love the poor victim Muslims' words much of the time.

Jews (of all stripes and ideologies) in the US and in Israel tend to be Left-Progs, dating from the 'civil' rights days in the early sixties. Many older Jews don't do their homework and believe the Dem Party is still JFK's.

In the Liberal synagogues, politics of the Left is commonly used in the Rabbi's "teachings". When Jews become Believers and followers of Yeshua, they tend to be way more conservative in their spiritual and socio-political thinking, due to the simple fact they are now 'enlightened' by the Word-both ancient and new Covenants. They are commonly known as "completed Jews".

Note, some Jews have nice, big noses and big ears, yet are good people. Some Jews have little noses and tiny ears, yet are evil. Seems our collective DNA's are the same after all. Because a nose, is a nose, is just a schnozz folks.

June 2, 2010 at 11:34 a.m.
Alfonso said...

Doesn't surprise me Israel's military violence, well fed over decades by the US military apparatus and international policy. However, it does make me sad that the Obama government cannot come out with a stronger statement. Will Obama perpetuate the double-standard policy in the US international relations?

June 2, 2010 at 11:43 a.m.

This is for you Walden, Greenkepi, Andrew, Rolando, Livn4Life, Nurse, Musicman, CarolinaGal, Aces25 and the other true Christian Believers out there, because believe it or not, I REALLY do love you guys. Don't know ya, but "you ain't heavy, you're my Brother"..s, sisters, etc.

A Report by an Israeli Believe/Pastor/Scholar written just before the 'incident on the flotilla occurred:

"At the time of this writing a group of five ships are heading toward Israel's territorial waters in an attempt to "break the blockade" against Gaza, and to bring humanitarian supplies to the people of Gaza. The true motive is not humanitarian, as Israel already allows trucks to enter Gaza with humanitarian goods, and Israel has already announced that they will allow the humanitarian goods on the ships to be transferred into Gaza.

The "Free Gaza" flotilla was originally eight ships, but due to technical problems and the fact that Cyprus stood with Israel by not allowing the flotilla to dock in their ports, the number has been trimmed and its arrival delayed. The sponsors of the ships are a coalition of Leftist extremists and Islamic Jihadists. They are trying to stage a media event to make Israel look bad. If Israel lets them in, our sovereignty and security will be breached. If we stop the flotilla, the media will portray Israel as against humanitarian aid. Some Israeli commentators have said, "Whatever we do, we lose."

The "humanitarian" agencies supporting the flotilla are Jihadists who support Hamas and call for the destruction of Israel. The flotilla received its largest governmental backing from Turkey. Turkey has traditionally been a moderate Muslim country with a good relationship with Israel. In the past two years, Prime Minister Erdogan has been moving the country toward a more militant Islamic stance, both internally within Turkey and internationally. He has made an alliance with Iran, and strained relationships with Israel.

Our partner in Turkish ministry writes: "It's interesting that we have Islamists and secular Leftists coming together in order to aid the people of Gaza with the expressed purpose of shaming Israel, knowing that without permission from authorities in Israel, they will not be allowed to enter Gazan waters."

"Israel will not allow the ships to enter Gaza. The Israeli Navy plan is to bring the ships into the port at Ashdod, transfer the humanitarian goods to Gaza, and offer the demonstrators transport back to their home countries. However, a confrontation at sea or in Ashdod could be quite damaging. Pray for humanitarian aid to reach Gaza; for Israeli security and sovereignty to be enforced; for the media to wake up to this Jihadist propaganda attack; for the Israeli government to handle the situation with wisdom."

June 2, 2010 at 11:48 a.m.
memphisexile said...

The was all a set up. These boats knew there was blockade and they knew they were breaking the law. They knew the Israelis would stop them. They knew it would create a media frenzy. It worked. Hezbollah and the PLO are old hands at manipulating the media and have done so for years.

I enjoy how it never gets mentioned that Egypt, a country populated by Muslims, also has a blockade on Gaza from the other side because they got sick of the Palestinians smuggling weapons.

The Palestinians elected a criminal terrorist organization to run their government in Gaza. When you elect terrorists to lead you, expect to not get treated well by the country they have vowed to destroy.

June 2, 2010 at 11:51 a.m.

Note: Israel like any other country has their share of Leftists, pagans, atheists and Underminers of their democratic Gov't. Much of their media is Liberal-Left, like ours, and the Ultra-Conservative faction in Israel, who mostly live off State welfare, yet call the shots in their society, as well as keep themselves busy persecuting minority groups like the Messianic Jewish Believers, are the Orthodox Jews. We call them the self-loathing people and those Yeshua spoke of when he castigated the hypocrites, scribes and Pharisees.

Jews of all peoples should understand and loathe persecution of any individuals or groups in their society. They of all people who faced exile and death many times should be for everyone's human rights. Sadly, as here in the US with the ACLU and others, there are those who pick and choose just WHO should be free.

As a result, I am not disclosing the Pastor/Author's name above. I get weekly reports from a variety of sources, most can be checked out on the Internet. This Pastor and his family regularly receive death threats because they lead a congregation of Believers and many Jews are being saved. His 15 year old son opened a package delivered to their front door some years ago and the package blew up in his face. He almost lost his life but did survive. For that reason and because the Left Haters here in the US are no more compassionate than in Israel, I will protect the Pastor's identity.

June 2, 2010 at 11:55 a.m.

Here is another note from the Believers in Israel to accent just what is going on there for the good and for the Glory of the Lord:

"This past Sunday we participated in the Global Day of Prayer assembly. The event was coordinated by local Arab Christians. About 800 attended including Messianic Jews representing some twelve different congregations. At one point the Arab pastors washed the feet of the Jewish pastors, and then the Jewish pastors washed the feet of the Arab pastors (John 13). A new Israeli believer who came with us was shocked at the degree of love and fellowship there is between us." He said, "It's too bad all the politicians and the media couldn't see an event like this. It would change the world."

Proof of our Existence (by a young Jewish Believer)

"Modern Israeli coins are replicas of ancient Jewish coins. The one shekel coin, for example, is a replica of a Jewish coin from the time of Ezra and Nehemiah. Since Israel was then ruled by Persia, the coin had an emblem similar to other Persian provinces. However, on the side of the coin the word "Judea" was engraved in ancient Hebrew letters.

Recently one of my school teachers bought for me an ancient Hasmonian coin from an antique store in East Jerusalem. The coin dates from the rule of Alexander Yanay, about 100 years before Jesus. Beyond the cultural, historic, and archaeological awareness that the coin represents, it is also a proof of our existence.

These coins prove that Jews lived in the land of Israel over 2,000 years ago. By designing our modern coins with the ancient emblems, we are making note of the fact that this land was inhabited by our people in ancient times. It is a miracle that we Jewish people have returned to our ancestral homeland after so many years."

Amen, aleluya and Shalom.

June 2, 2010 at 11:58 a.m.
InspectorBucket said...

I am on the side of Truth and Conscience.

And I see precious little sign of Truth and Conscience at work in the media coverage, official government statements, and careless responses by bloggers.

To pretend that full and deceptive energies of the pro-Palestinian and the pro-Israeli factions are not in play is willfully naive and an abdication of intelligence and conscience.

"David and Goliath" is a metaphor suitable for crayola coloring and pop-up books, but hardly clarifying as a political metaphor.

Turkey, Hamas, and company set out early on to infiltrate and manipulate the naive activists in the flotilla.

Equally early on, Israel had its special ops infiltrating the activist groups and sabotaging the steering mechanisms before the clueless ship captains in the flotilla understood what was what.

Israel and Hamas stand neither for Truth nor Conscience.

Israel and Hamas stand for their own political self-interests, and they will be ready to use you as a shill or human shield or pull you down with them, as the situation demands.

Trust none of what you see, and test whatever you are told.

June 2, 2010 at 12:04 p.m.
aces25 said...

The whole point of the actions by the protesters carrying "humanitarian aid" was to create an incident like this. Apparently "humanitarian aid" includes running blockades and responding with deadly force after Israeli troops boarded the vessel. It is possible that Israeli troops could have attempted another method to disable the ship rather than immediate boarding, but what else is there to think if a vessel is attempting to run a blockade after refusing inspection for weapons and contraband to meet with Palestinians governed by Hamas, a terrorist organization? The protesters were deliberately defiant in order to seek out such a response.

I'm sure there are many comparisons that a cartoon could convey, but the story of David and Goliath is anything but appropriate except for correlations of how the story has been portrayed by liberal media.

June 2, 2010 at 12:17 p.m.
chattaghost said...

The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza (ECESG) today condemns the actions of the Israeli military involved in the illegal interception of the humanitarian “Freedom Flotilla” to Gaza. Over the past few days misleading statements from Israeli officials, such as Foreign Minister Liberman misleadingly describing the humanitarian flotilla (of six NGOs) as “violent propaganda,” has lead to a situation where Israeli “Flotilla (Shayetet) 13” commandoes boarded the boats of the humanitarian flotilla in international waters with an unnecessarily aggressive mentality. The resulting killing of civilians represents a violation of Article 3 of the 4th Geneva Convention. We also completely reject the deliberately misleading and slanderous characterisation by Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Ayalon that: “The armada of hate and violence in support of the Hamas terror organization was a premeditated and outrageous provocation. The organizers' intent was violent, their method was violent, and unfortunately, the results were violent.” The reality is that the: The “Freedom Flotilla’s intent was to deliver badly needed humanitarian aid to Gaza and return peacefully not to cause violence -It’s method was to conduct itself peacefully and to deliver this aid in the full view of the international media - unlike the Israel Defence Force which conducted itself with armed aggression, under the cover of darkness while jamming communication systems -The result was due to the aggressive assaulting tactics of the IDF and it’s use of live ammunition on civilian peace-activists.

It was comprised of humanitarian organisations and international parliamentarians without allegiance to Palestinian factions, all individual participants were told not to use any violent methods and the only people to have guns were the Israeli commandoes. Moreover, a painstaking effort was made to screen all passengers to ensure only peaceful civilians were allowed onboard, including teachers, doctors and nurses.

-The six vessels represented a wide number of European and other countries including the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Turkey, Algeria, Kuwait, Malaysia, Cyprus and the USA. The boats carried more than 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid and building materials. One hundred housing units were onboard and more than 500 wheelchairs for handicapped children.

June 2, 2010 at 12:26 p.m.
chattaghost said...

Thanks Mr Clay and we want to remind people : 1-The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza is an umbrella group of 34 European human rights and humanitarian organisations who have come together to collectively pressure the international community and Israel to end the siege on Gaza’s civilian population.

2-The “Freedom Flotilla” comprised boats from the ECESG, Free Gaza Movement (FG), Insani Yardim Vakfi (IHH), Ship to Gaza Greece, Ship to Gaza Sweden, and the International Committee to Lift the Siege on Gaza

3-According to the United Nations Office of the Control of Humanitarian Affairs during the week of the 16-22nd May 2010 Israel allowed only 540 truckloads of goods to enter Gaza. This compares with 656 for the same time period in 2009 and 2807 during the same time period in 2007 (before the Hamas takeover and the siege on Gaza began).

June 2, 2010 at 12:31 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Chattaghost, Gaza is run by terrorists who hate Jews. Are you on their side?

June 2, 2010 at 12:38 p.m.

"The “Freedom Flotilla’s intent was to deliver badly needed humanitarian aid to Gaza and return peacefully not to cause violence. It’s method was to conduct itself peacefully and to deliver this aid in the full view of the international media - unlike the Israel Defence Force which conducted itself with armed aggression, under the cover of darkness while jamming communication systems", so says chattaghost.

That bunk above has been thoroughly disproved by live witnesses on the ground and at sea in that region. The UN and its evil cohorts (who in their right mind would believe anything coming out of their evil mouths?), human rights abusers all, consistently deny Israel its rights as a sovereign nation, while upholding those of the Terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah.

If they were so peaceful, why did we witness first hand on the video aired; as soon as the Israeli Commandos grappled down onto the ship, the "peace activists" bent down and picked up huge, long pipes and clubs and commenced attacking the soldiers? Instead, they could have calmly allowed a search for weapons and could have been on their way shortly.

aaah, but there were hidden weapons, that's how the devious, evil Hamas exists in Gaza, terrorizing its own people and the people of Israel. By threats, intimidation and many, many weapons. Many homicide bomobings, many instances of shoving their own women and children to the front of the battle, in order to shield their cowardly selves and make Israel look like the bad guy.

June 2, 2010 at 1:11 p.m.

Funny, how your pretenses to be so unbiased break down when issues like this are discussed. Never has the Left-Prog ever, posted the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about the evil doings and machinations of worldwide Islamic Terrorists. Never.

No, war is not good. Killing in war is tragic. So when you armchair critics are attacked as much as Israel has been since it became the Jewish State, then maybe you will take off your blinding blinders and see what Reality looks like. It ain't pretty and it ain't poetry. It just stinks sometimes.

The TRUTH Inspector et al, is that Israel is a sovereign Nation, like ours and has the right to protect its nation against Terrorists, who live and act solely to annihilate all Jews.

The Truth is that the Lord God of Israel is not Who you believe in or follow, but rather you believe 'information' you have gleaned from somewhere else?, wherever that may be. You are entitled to your opinion. But that doesn't make you or anyone else here the Resident Armchair Critic.

Until you have lived the Israeli 'experience' and your country (and others surrounding it) are as besieged as Israel's, then all you can do is blow hot air. It is evident from your many writings that you despise the God of the Jews and Christians and believe no one here but yourself, is completely unbiased and objective. You are human, no? Then you are biased, and obviously biased against the truth of Israel's existence, the truth that Israel has the right to protect itself in any way it can, and the truth, that their Lord, is our Lord, in this land too.

He gave the Jewish tribes Israel, not the Palestinians or any other tribal peoples, and He will prevail for Israel. Whether you agree or not, like it or not. That is the Reality of and for Israel.

June 2, 2010 at 1:19 p.m.
moonpie said...

IB's 12:04 post is a great post.

On a case by case basis, I'm not sure what the Israeli's should or could have done differently in this instance.

Looking at the conflict overall, I think there is a lot the Isaeli's could and should do differently. In terms of overall policy and freedoms and military might, the cartoon is spot on.

For example, they have Law of Return - instant citizenship for most Jewish people who wish to immigrate to Israel. This kind of policy would certainly keep pressure to expand settlements. Palestinians do not have rights like this.

A disparity in rights amongst peoples will frequently lead to conflict.

I wonder how most Americans would act if they lived under the yoke of a foreign government.

Equal rights, equal protection are the paths to peace.

So far Israel is largey is subjugation mode. (However, in this case, I don't think they've acted irresponsibly.)

June 2, 2010 at 1:39 p.m.
ordinaryguy said...

Can anyone answer the question why are so many people responding so anti-Israel?

June 2, 2010 at 1:56 p.m.
Shock said...

Walden writes: "MJ - you cannot deny the Left's current fascination with Islam and Palestine. The way I see it, you are either for America and its allies, or you are with the enemy. What side are you on?"

Nothing is that black and white. Nothing. France is an ally of the United States, going back to the revolutionary war. Walden, when France didn't send the troops to support our unwarranted attack on Iraq did you boycott everything French and use the term Freedom Fries? In hindsight, France made the right call. At that time, when everyone's emotions were sky high, France was vilified. I was upset with them, as was everyone else. They were still our allies, though. Issues concerning national defense and the rights of other sovereign countries are very complicated and very emotional, most especially in the middle east. To jump on someone, calling them a racist when they raise the issue that there might have been an overreaction by the Isrealis, is irresponsible.

The Blackwater killing of civilians in Iraq falls in the same category. I suspect that if anyone questioned the actions of that subcontractor, Walden would call them terrorist sympathizers.

All this just to say: Things are complicated. There are two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle lies the truth. Don't take your limited knowledge of events and call someone a racist or unpatriotic because they question what really happened.

June 2, 2010 at 1:58 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;

and

(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

More: http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebART/560-14?OpenDocument

Remember too that Egypt is a partner with Israel in the blockade. All they had to do was comply with the rules that have been in place as in the past. Can you say "spoiling for a fight"? Peace activists my ***

June 2, 2010 at 2:01 p.m.
Walden said...

Shock- I am not calling people racist. I am just saying that my observations of late lead me to believe that there is a rising tide of global anti-semitism going on out there today, and that scares me. I am not Jewish (I'm pretty much a WASPY kind of guy, surprise!! surprise!!), but insidious things like this creep into our conciousness in nasty ways, and before you know it, BAM!, you have major global conflict. This is the kind of stuff that was going on in the lead up to both WWI and WWII. These things get out of control fast. For me, if I am going to side with either Islam or Israel, I'm taking Israel all day long.

Now, I am off to get some Freedom Fries.

June 2, 2010 at 2:21 p.m.
chattaghost said...

MICHAEL JANSEN in Jerusalem Wrote: The Rachel Corrie Ship

IRISH SHIP: THE DELAYED Free Gaza Movement’s cargo ship Rachel Corrie yesterday assumed a holding position in the eastern Mediterranean, poised to make a fresh attempt to reach Israeli-blockaded Gaza.

Organiser Greta Berlin said the ship was waiting for Challenger II , a small passenger boat which suffered failure of its steering gear while preparing for the passage.

The two vessels, their crews and passengers are undeterred by the Israeli commando operation against the flotilla which cost the lives of nine passengers and climaxed in the detention of the other 679 on board.

The Rachel Corrie , which began its voyage in Ireland, was named after a young US woman killed by an Israeli bulldozer demolishing Palestinian homes in Gaza.

Among those on board are Nobel Prize laureate Mairead Maguire and former UN assistant secretary general Denis Halliday.

Ms Berlin said the ships would be picking up other human rights activists and journalists before attempting the passage which Israel has vowed to stop.

“Israel can haul the Rachel Corrie into Ashdod as it did the other boats or show goodwill to the world by allowing her to proceed to Gaza,” she stated.

While preparations were being made for the second attempt, released flotilla passengers began to speak of the Israeli raid.

Former US diplomat Edward Peck said all boats were boarded simultaneously at 4.30am. Armed commandos simply stepped from their inflatables on to the decks of the smaller boats. On the Greek boat, where he was, there were scuffles when the troops pushed aside passengers trying to protect the wheelhouse.

Issam Zaatar, a camerman for al-Jazeera, said the Israelis used sound grenades and gas as well as tasers to subdue resisting passengers. His camera was smashed deliberately.

Passengers on the Turkish cruise ship said the operation was heralded by live fire as the troops abseiled on to the deck.

“The ship turned into a lake of blood,” said Nilufer Cetin, a Turkish activist who hid with her infant in her cabin. An Israeli legislator of Palestinian origin, Hanit Zoabi from Nazareth, said the operation lasted an hour and she saw five bodies.

“It was clear from the size of the force that boarded the ship that the purpose was not to halt the voyage but to cause the largest number of fatalities to prevent future initiatives.”

Mr Peck said that they were held incommunicado at Ashdod.

SOS :They want to say they were kidnapped

June 2, 2010 at 2:30 p.m.
Shock said...

Canary writes (among many many many other things), "Until you have lived the Israeli 'experience' and your country (and others surrounding it) are as besieged as Israel's, then all you can do is blow hot air."

I am not anti-Israel - they have been a staunch ally in a bastion of anti-American countries and terrorist states.

That being said, I will again say that there are two sides to every story and no one can paint things with a black and white brush and not ignore the truth. To those of you on this forum who discuss issues and air your opinions in an intelligent manner - God bless you. Those of you who generalize, stereotype and attack people for their opinions - this is America, remember? The country where too many of our brave soldiers have died to protect our rights of free expression.

It seems to me that until you've lived both the Palestinian and the Israel experience, "then all you can do is blow hot air."

June 2, 2010 at 2:49 p.m.
Clara said...

Canary,

I've been away for several days having my next medical adventure.

I haven't been able to access the "Antique Shop" to make a reply to your last post to me on that cartoon.

I didn't say you were sarcastic, I said you were PATRONIZING, and the following excerpt was from the post which pretty much emphasizes the point I made.

"Clara, I wasn't "being sarcastic", I was giving you much needed advice and the truth (and the benefit of the doubt). Since you reject that and are behaving and talking like your Leftist friends now, I will be blunt. You are the one coming off as idiotic, because your 'research' consists of links from Left of center to Far Left sites. Not to mention the slathering obeisance you give to the foul mouthed Left-Progs who post alongside of you. You all trash when you know your ideas are wrong and have no basis, no facts whatsoever." End Quote!

Believe me, I do not need advice from you.

I'd hate to be the psychiatrist that tries to heal your neurotic beliefs and untoward hatred.

Sincerely!

June 2, 2010 at 3:05 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

I think Clay is just banging the "disproportionate force" gong.

The activists on those ships were looking to cause an incident.

Here's a little thought experiment:

The next time you get pulled over by CHP officer for rolling through a stop sign, and as he's walking up to your window, grab a metal pipe and try to beat him with it. You'd be lucky to survive such foolishness.

Attempting to run a naval blockade being enforced by the IDF, is simply a ploy to elicit global sympathy for militant fundamentalist murderers.

Physically attacking the IDF members who were charged with bringing the ships under Israeli control, borders on suicide.

Lucky for the activists on board those ships that Israel is trying so very hard to spare lives.

If it were my call, at the first sign of violence, I'd have pulled my people out and blown the bottoms out of every one of those boats. Let 'em swim to Gaza, if that's where they want to be.

Physical violence can only be subdued by overwhelming force. Anything less only lengthens the struggle, and throws doubt upon the outcome.

June 2, 2010 at 6:15 p.m.
harrystatel said...

I don't support Israel in everything it does, has done, or will do in the future.

However, Israel is surrounded by Muslim fanatics who would give Mohammed's left testicle to wipe Israel off the map.

Israel is still a country today because they had the guts and chutzpah to give the world the finger, draw a line in the sand and dare anyone to cross it.

For that alone, I salute Israel.

June 2, 2010 at 6:28 p.m.
Just_A_Human said...

I advise you to read the below article:

" Why we sailed to Gaza

Lauren Booth

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 2 June 2010 08.00

I was a passenger on the first effort to break the Gaza blockade. Our mission was to show that normal people cared

Since the military attack on a fleet of civilian ships in international waters, Israel's well oiled spin machine has imposed a total news blackout about the survivors, taking their phones and denying them access to consular representation. The void has instead been filled with disinformation about the passengers on board the Mavi Marmara ferry. For those of us with colleagues and loved ones of whom we still have no clear news, such lies only exacerbate our anxiety and fury. So, before I have to read another weasel word from politicians about inquiries into the motives of the flotilla, let me shed some light on the kind of people either hospitalised or being illegally held in prisons in the south of the country.

In 2008 I was a passenger on the first ever effort to break the Gaza blockade in a peaceful, non-violent, but very direct way. Tired of the international community's refusal to act while 1.8 million Palestinians were being systematically denied their human rights on a daily basis, 46 people from all walks of life prepared to sail from Cyprus to Gaza. Kathy Sheetz, a nurse from the US, Therese McDonald, a Scottish postal worker. and Osama Qashoo, a Palestinian film-maker now resident in the UK, were on board then as now. And we too were called "provocateurs" by the Israeli media, "leftwing radicals" and "terrorist sympathisers".

Our mission was simply to show the population of Gaza that normal people cared about their plight; that we saw their hunger, their fear, their imprisonment, their struggle; and that we – everyday folk with good hearts – would do what we could to bring their plight to the eyes of the world.

Then, as now, our intention was never to go anywhere near Israel's shores, nor its waters, nor its military. Then, as now, the cargo on our ships was rigorously checked by European port authorities and stamped as free from any weapons whatsoever. We believed, back in those innocent days, that this would not furnish Israel with even the most vapid excuse to board or attack us on the pretext that we were a security threat. Then, they did not. This week, they did.

Let me ask you one final question that's been troubling me, as sympathy for those apparently fragile Israeli commandos continues to pour in. If you were on a boat in the Mediterranean and hundreds of the world's most notoriously violent soldiers started falling from the sky, wouldn't you defend yourself? The brave human beings on the Mavi Marmara were acting in self-defence. And because of this many died. Something of the hopeful child in me died with them. "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/02/palestinian-territories-gaza

June 2, 2010 at 6:45 p.m.
rolando said...

I am with you all the way, canary.

The Left-Progs hate the Jews as they hate Christians because we worship the same God.

At the same time, they love the Muslims because they hate everybody who is NOT Muslim.

Hm-m-m; seems like even the "big-gun" Left-Progs here can't stomach Bennett's latest Jew-baiter offering...interesting, that.

June 2, 2010 at 7:26 p.m.
Just_A_Human said...

Does this old lady (a Jewish Holocaust survivor who tried four times to sail to Gaza) seem to you an extreme-leftist or an Islamic jihadist ?! Shame on you !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unjQOGie5Vg

June 2, 2010 at 7:27 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

"If you were on a boat in the Mediterranean and hundreds of the world's most notoriously violent soldiers started falling from the sky, wouldn't you defend yourself?"

I wouldn't be stupid enough to try running a military naval blockade, so the question is based upon a false premise.

If I were on a cruise ship, in the Med. far away from the Israeli picket, and gunmen from parts unknown attacked the ship, yes, I'd fight. But this has nothing to do with military encounters.

"The brave human beings on the Mavi Marmara were acting in self-defence."

Only if you are talking about the IDF folks, they were brutally attacked, and responded with the force necessary to protect their own lives.

I can't believe anyone is stupid enough to believe that the folks in charge of those ships did not intend for bad things to happen.

There may have been some good intentioned folks mixed in with the crazies, but if there were, then those good people let themselves be used as pawns in a game for which they do not posses the slightest understanding. They are lucky to be alive. The powers that wish to annihilate Israel have zero empathy for the useful idiots who help them further those ends.

June 2, 2010 at 7:33 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm sitting this one out, for the most part.

I will say this much. From what I have gathered in watching the coverage and from reading, it appears that those on that aid ship who were trying to break the blockade, regardless of rhyme or reason, and they were definitely looking for a confrontation. They sure found one.

If humanitarian aid was all that they were about, they could have submitted to a search and then been on their way with permission.

I've never understood all there is surrounding the conflicts over there between the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, other than it appears that these two distinct people seem to be fighting over the same patch of land and neither seems willing to do much sharing.

The Israeli's are fed up and they have every right to be. They've been bombed so many times without provocation. I've never considered them the aggressors, not even after this latest incident.

June 2, 2010 at 7:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Lesson learned. Never type while I am eating supper.

June 2, 2010 at 9:19 p.m.

As more video evidence pours in, and more on the scene witness accounts in Turkey, Israel and Gaza; the facts are showing that BEFORE the ships even sailed, the European "peace" activists aboard for the fun times no doubt, were videotaped with Muslim Jihadists, clearly shouting in Arabic "kill the Jews, kill the Jews" and "this is our Jihad". They had the pipes ready and as some Israeli Commandos were shot as well as brutally beaten, later on when they swarmed onto the decks, many military experts in the region believe at least some of the Jihadists were armed with guns.

These folks, as the Israelis knew well in advance AND had warned the flotilla many times, were indeed Leftist and Jihadist activists baiting Israel because they want the embargos stopped. Trouble is, Egypt has no intention of stopping their embargo against Hamas and neither would any other Islamic nation if they were under daily attack by terrorists.

For any who doubt, there is also much evidence of Israel aiding Gaza by making sure food and medical/other supplies are reaching the Palestinians. Reports of how much are getting in or how little can be greatly exaggerated, especially by Hamas who are adept at lying to their mothers. What other nation, especially Islamic would allow what Israel has allowed and help their enemies' people as well? Not many, in fact the only two I can think of who have done it consistently and for a long, long time---are the US and Israel.

France? Give me a break, those panty-waists? They and most Europeans have shirked their NATO/Ally duties for decades. Ironic, when just decades ago, America and Churchill's England saved the very butts of these guys. The flippin' cowards, all. They have no self-respect and deserve none from us either. The amount of people here who believe whatever their media say about a country (Israel) they don't know or understand is amazing and pathetic.

Benjamin Netanyahu is talking and acting like a Warrior-Leader, something our own doesn't have the guts to be. Benjamin's words, "...this wasn't a Love Boat, it was a Hate Boat..not a boat full of peaceful activists, but a boat full of murderous terrorists..". Take note for the future, all ye cowardly ones.

This kind of Leader will protect his people and die standing. The rest of them we see daily here in the US and worldwide, will sell yours and my soul down the river for a peso, then fiesta their way all the to the bank with our money. And spit on our corpses on the way out. The difference between Courage and Cowardliness. Smarts and dum-dums. Life and Death.

June 3, 2010 at 12:21 a.m.

Ok human, let me get this straight. youtube of a "holocaust survivor" and whatever bit you managed to get from another Leftist byte that left out a whole lot of information, and per the Left was probably staged.

If you guys don't get that you don't get it because you know nothing of the thousands of years history among the tribes in the Middle East, nothing of what its like to live there and have your schools, hospitals, restaurants, buses and public spaces homicide bombed on a daily basis, nothing of what it feels like living next to countries whose leaders want to wipe you and your people off the face of the earth, and shout that to a world who cheers them on.

And the putrefying, corrupt UN supports the Brutes and Terrorist Leaders in their midst, nay, ELECTS them to the "human Rights Committee of the UN". And then tells Israel off for protecting itself.

When those who don't 'get it', just don't, it's because there's something very wrong in your heart and your mind. Clara take note, you're one too. Next time, try staying on the original post to tell someone off. This way, it just looks ignorant and desperate, like you're trying to rally support from your 'friends'. Sometimes unsolicited advice is the best, ya know.

June 3, 2010 at 12:23 a.m.
alprova said...

The Bird Person wrote regarding the subject of national leaders:

"The rest of them we see daily here in the US and worldwide, will sell yours and my soul down the river for a peso, then fiesta their way all the to the bank with our money. And spit on our corpses on the way out. The difference between Courage and Cowardliness. Smarts and dum-dums. Life and Death."


I'm fast approaching the point of considering you clinically insane. Your rants are so far out there.


"If you guys don't get that you don't get it because you know nothing of the thousands of years history among the tribes in the Middle East, nothing of what its like to live there and have your schools, hospitals, restaurants, buses and public spaces homicide bombed on a daily basis, nothing of what it feels like living next to countries whose leaders want to wipe you and your people off the face of the earth, and shout that to a world who cheers them on."


You don't know what you think you know either. Nowhere else on Earth has there ever been a person who claims to be as enlightened as you do, no matter the subject being discussed.


"When those who don't 'get it', just don't, it's because there's something very wrong in your heart and your mind."


What an utterly profound and desperately arrogant statement. You never seem to get anything at all, and yet you just keep on rollin'...


"Clara take note, you're one too. Next time, try staying on the original post to tell someone off. This way, it just looks ignorant and desperate, like you're trying to rally support from your 'friends'. Sometimes unsolicited advice is the best, ya know."


I'm sure that when Clara wants your advice, she'll give it to you, and at least she has friends, you waste of space.

June 3, 2010 at 2:16 a.m.
Just_A_Human said...

@ Canary (the Omniscient !!)

Excuse me! What do YOU know about Arabs' history (and about Israel's, for that matter)? Are you aware of the following historical facts:

  1. Arabs of all religions had lived peacefully together in the "Middle East" (the East Mediterranean, to be precise) for hundreds of years ... that includes Jews, Christians, and Muslims ...

  2. The same sort of peaceful coexistence happened later on in the Islamic Andalusia (the "tres culturas").

  3. Jews suffered the most in Christian Europe (repeat Christian-Europe!) ... NOT in the Arab-Islamic one !

  4. In modern times, Jews were persecuted by Nazi Germans (again, not Arabs or Muslims)--i.e., the Holocaust.

  5. Zionism made great use of the Holocaust event to justify its occupation of the historical land of Palestine (and the persecution of the Palestinians, of course). I suggest you read Norman Finkelstein's "The Holocaust Industry" to know more about this issue ...

  6. Israel is an occupying power. Though the creation of Israel came through a UN Security Council resolution, it has (ironically) NEVER implemented any UN resolution that demanded Israel to give Palestinians their basic rights ...

  7. All the violence in the Middle East stems from the fact that Israel is a force of occupation (and NOT because it is a Jewish state!). At the beginning, Palestinian resistance was largely secular ...

  8. The Islamist Hamas was originally created and backed by Israel to confront the secular and leftist Palestinian factions (much in the same way that Bin Laden and his fellow "Jihadists" were supported by the USA to confront the Soviets and their allied regime in Afghanistan)—see, for instance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPPmgZXjtkw

June 3, 2010 at 6:49 a.m.
Just_A_Human said...
June 3, 2010 at 6:54 a.m.
chattaghost said...

Nuclear secrecy, May 2010

Israel, widely assumed to have the Middle East’s only nuclear arsenal, has faced renewed calls to sign a global treaty barring the spread of atomic weapons. Signatories of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) last week called for a conference in 2012 to discuss banning weapons of mass destruction throughout the Middle East. The declaration was adopted by all 189 parties to the NPT, including the US. It urged Israel to sign the NPT and put its nuclear facilities under UN safeguards.

June 3, 2010 at 7:16 a.m.
chattaghost said...

*Settlements row, March 2010

Israel announces plans, during visit by US Vice-President Joe Biden, to build 1,600 homes for Jews in an area of the West Bank annexed by Israel. The announcement triggers unusually harsh criticism from the United States. Washington said it damaged its efforts to revive the Middle East peace process. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the project was an insult. Netanyahu said he was blindsided by planning bureaucrats and apologised to Biden. Today’s meeting with Barack Obama at the White House, called off by Mr Netanyahu so he could return home to deal with the flotilla crisis, was supposed to be another part of the fence-mending between the two allies.

June 3, 2010 at 7:19 a.m.
chattaghost said...
  • The al-Mabhouh assassination, January-May 2010

Britain and Australia expelled Israeli diplomats after concluding that Israel had forged British and Australian passports used by assassins to kill a Hamas commander in Dubai. Israel has neither confirmed or denied a role in the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in his hotel room in January. Britain said such misuse of British passports was “intolerable”. Australia said it was not the behaviour of “a nation with whom we have had such a close, friendly and supportive relationship”.

June 3, 2010 at 7:21 a.m.
chattaghost said...

*Goldstone report, November 2009

Israel launched Operation Cast Lead in December 2008 with the declared aim of halting rocket fire from Gaza into Israel. More than 1,400 Palestinians were killed in the three-week conflict along with 13 Israelis. The South African jurist Richard Goldstone’s report into the conflict found both Israel and the Hamas movement that controls the Strip guilty of war crimes, but focused more on Israel. Israel refused to co-operate with Goldstone and described his report as distorted and biased

June 3, 2010 at 7:23 a.m.
chattaghost said...

Isn’t Turkey a close ally of Israel? Is this what the Turks can expect? Now Israel’s only ally in the Muslim world is saying this is a massacre – and Israel doesn’t seem to care

June 3, 2010 at 7:25 a.m.
chattaghost said...

For it is a fact, is it not, that had Europeans (and yes, the Turks are Europeans, are they not?) been gunned down by any other Middle Eastern army (which the Israeli army is, is it not?) there would have been waves of outrage

June 3, 2010 at 7:27 a.m.
chattaghost said...

And Know ...It was people – ordinary people, Europeans, Americans, Holocaust survivors – yes, for heaven’s sake, survivors of the Nazis – who took the decision to go to Gaza because their politicians and their statesmen had failed them

June 3, 2010 at 7:30 a.m.
chattaghost said...

In 1948, our politicians – the Americans and the British – staged an airlift into Berlin. A starving population (our enemies only three years before) were surrounded by a brutal army, the Russians, who had erected a fence around the city. The Berlin airlift was one of the great moments in the Cold War. Our soldiers and our airmen risked and gave their lives for these starving Germans

Back in 1948, they would have ignored the Palestinians, of course. It is, after all, a terrible irony that the Berlin airlift coincided with the destruction of Arab Palestine

June 3, 2010 at 7:33 a.m.
chattaghost said...

US citizen Emily Henochowicz was shot directly in the face with a tear gas canister as she non-violently demonstrated against the Flotilla massacre

UPDATE 1 June 2010: Emily is recovering at Hadassah Hospital after two surgeries Monday night. She lost her left eye, three metal plates were inserted into her head/face, and her jaw is wired shut. The bone surrounding her eye socket, cheekbone and jawbone are all fractured. Emily was standing peacefully during a demonstration at Qalandiya checkpoint Monday when The Israeli Border Police fired a large number of tear gas canisters directly at the heads of Emily and another ISM activist

June 3, 2010 at 7:57 a.m.
harrystatel said...

"Emily was standing peacefully during a demonstration at Qalandiya checkpoint Monday when The Israeli Border Police fired a large number of tear gas canisters directly at the heads of Emily and another ISM activist."

That's like complaining about being splattered with mud while standing at the pit at a tractor-pull.

I'm sorry she lost an eye, but even sorrier she didn't have common sense.

June 3, 2010 at 9 a.m.
Shock said...

Canary,

I've Googled my little fingers off trying to find something on the European activists on the flotilla hangin' out with jihadists "shouting in Arabic 'kill the Jews, kill the Jews' and 'this is our Jihad'"

Can you point me in the right direction?

June 3, 2010 at 9:03 a.m.
chattaghost said...

Palestinian member of Israel’s parliament, MK Haneen Zoabi, was viciously attacked and physically threatened by her Israeli Knesset “colleagues” who attempted to shut her out. Quite a remarkable display of Israel’s democracy-for-Jews, and only for Jews. This extreme level of abuse is unprecedented, exposing Israel’s true face as it concerns Palestinian Arab citizens, including Knesset members. Among the name-calling, “traitor,” “terrorist,” and “Trojan Horse.”

Note: While the audio is in Hebrew, no knowledge of the Hebrew language is necessary to appreciate the severity of the attack

June 3, 2010 at 9:11 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

Chattaghost, you seem to have a serious issue with Israel. So be it. You are ignorant though if you honestly believe that the people aboard these ships didn't know they were going to be searched for weapons. It has been said already, but if they were truly peaceful and only wanted to bring humanitarian aid, they wouldn't have attacked, knowing full well that they were going to be searched. Keep on trying to defend the terrorist ran Gaza all you want, but I'm not buying it. I believe in freedom, not terrorism.

"Israel launched Operation Cast Lead in December 2008 with the declared aim of halting rocket fire from Gaza into Israel. More than 1,400 Palestinians were killed in the three-week conflict along with 13 Israelis. The South African jurist Richard Goldstone’s report into the conflict found both Israel and the Hamas movement that controls the Strip guilty of war crimes, but focused more on Israel. Israel refused to co-operate with Goldstone and described his report as distorted and biased"

That's because it probably was distorted and biased. You even posted only a portion of the story in the above quote. How many Israelis have been killed by rockets fired upon them from Gaza in the past decades?

Don't forget that Israel is a sovereign country, whether you want them to be or not. They have every right to go to war over their land, just like we do. They lived in their land thousands of years ago, it was taken away, but has since been rightfully returned to them, and nothing you or anyother person can say will make that untrue. It saddens me to know that there are so many people, such as yourself, who believe Israel to be an evil nation. It is my belief however that you are wrong, and you will not be able to convince me otherwise.

June 3, 2010 at 10:38 a.m.
chattaghost said...

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

http://www.gtr5.com/

June 4, 2010 at 3:51 a.m.
rolando said...

You are full of the purest horse manure on that last one, chattaghost. The Liberty's story is a whole lot more complicated than one paragraph's worth. [Yes, I am aware you cut and pasted from the gtr5 website...but it was YOUR post.]

As Musicman said above, your post "...was distorted and biased [and you] posted only a portion of the story." That appears to be characteristic of your postings.

Although I hesitate to recommend Wikipedia for obvious reasons, I suggest the following cite for further concise and fairly complete reporting. Judge its accuracy for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Libe...

It appears the Liberty was NOT where gtr5 claims...she did not receive a message ordering her 120 miles offshore of Israel. Her original orders had her at 17.5 miles offshore. Big difference.

We were not exactly upfront with the Israelis about what ships we had in the area, preferring to conceal our intelligence-gathering ship's location...rather un-intelligent move, that.

The Israelis were quite literally fighting for survival...ya don't mess with a Rottweiler in attack mode. Johnson learned that one the hard way... Had he scrambled a jet or two he might have saved a few lives.

June 4, 2010 at 7:37 a.m.
rolando said...

Interesting thread -- it is obvious who will cheer when the Iranians nuke them. This time the dancing will be in OUR streets...

June 4, 2010 at 7:41 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

I have read the end of the BOOK. They will not be nuked in to annihilation. In fact, they will be miraculously protected at one point. And I believe that time is very near.

June 4, 2010 at 1:15 p.m.

chattaghost has suddenly become an 'expert' on Israeli Gov't and Israeli society a la the far Left media worldwide, haters of Jews all. You need to get objective Bub and do better research, like, uh living there first before you profess to know so much about their society's underpinnings and raison d'etre.

I gave a counter perspective to the continual hatred and vitriol against the Jews in the US, Europe, the UN and especially in the Arab Middle East. That's all. On this TFP site, many times I have stated I put no trust in human gov'ts anywhere on earth. There are far too many that are much more corrupt than Israel and the US. And Gaza, which is now run by the Terrorist group Hamas, is one of the worst.

chatta's little stories about Israelis and their Gov't are exaggerated, Leftist drivel. During the eight years of the Bush regime, we witnessed far worse in our halls of justice when far Left rabid activists screamed obscenities, threw objects and created chaos while calling Bush every name in the book, including "Nazi". On the streets, the Left trashed businesses, vehicles and whatever else got in their way during many rampages. On college campuses, whenever a conservative is slated to speak, there are protests, loud interruptions so the speaker cannot be heard and even the pelting of the speaker with food, pies, and other objects. To say that death threats are also a way of life for many conservatives in the US would be an understatement.

Heal thyself physicians and get some reality. Your own worst enemy is yourselves and I'd say the same thing to the Palestinians who need to find an Arab country and their own kinsman to squat with, squabble with and blame for all their problems.

June 5, 2010 at 12:24 a.m.
chattaghost said...

Take it From the Breavest Lion Mouth the Men of USS Liberty

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died

June 5, 2010 at 3:03 a.m.
harrystatel said...

"Hamas has said it would refuse to accept any aid from the Israeli-intercepted flotilla as long as the blockade remained in place."

So Hamas is willing to starve its people? True humanitarians aren't they?

As to the legitimacy of a blockade, remember that the Union blocked ships from reaching starving southerners in the Civil War.

I wonder if this group of activists would be on those "neutral" blockade-running ships bringing food to feed Southern starving elderly, women, and children then?

June 5, 2010 at 1:46 p.m.
rolando said...

Still cutting and pasting, I see. chatta, get a new line.

As I have said repeatedly [since I was stationed in Athens before and after the Six Day War], the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty bordered on an atrocity; errors -- deadly serious errors -- were made on both sides. Time was the enemy. Unfortunately and as always, those on-site took the brunt of the attack. Those in command behind the lines, wisely or foolishly, decided to stay out of it.

June 5, 2010 at 5:29 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

Bub. Leftist drivel. Liars. Evil. Your kind. Left prog. Get behind me, Satan.

Does all that sound familiar to you other posters? Geez. It does get old. I wish canary could get more creative with her insults. It would be way more interesting.

June 6, 2010 at 12:40 a.m.
InspectorBucket said...

Gaza blockade: Iran offers escort to next aid convoy

• Aide threatens use of Revolutionary Guard • Netanyahu warns of Jerusalem missile danger

Ian Black, Middle East editor guardian.co.uk, Sunday 6 June 2010 21.20 BST

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/06/gaza-blockade-iran-aid-convoy

June 6, 2010 at 5:42 p.m.
rolando said...

Here is a bit of video you will never see on the newsmedia. It shows what the Israelis discovered on board that [Turkish??] "humanitarian-aid" ship:

http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=3423928

If Dear Leader ever acknowledges it, he will undoubtedly say something on the order of, "The IDF [Israeli Defense Forces] put the weapons in the ship's hold and into the CONEXS before allowing the media to take pictures."

The Proggies with eat that up as they eat up the rest of DL's BS.

June 6, 2010 at 6:56 p.m.
chattaghost said...

תאריך date

The Video Date 5-11-2009

:-)

June 7, 2010 at 9:30 a.m.
chattaghost said...

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rebuffed a proposal from United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to have an international panel investigate last week's deadly Gaza flotilla raid.

By the way the video date of "rolando" is of 2009 not of the Free Gaza Ship :-)

June 7, 2010 at 9:54 a.m.
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