published Sunday, June 13th, 2010

You asked for it

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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rolando said...

What can one say?

Clay is spot-on with this one.

June 13, 2010 at 5:32 a.m.
Tax_Payer said...

We shall see what he does tomorrow, after he found out "WHOSE ASS TO KICK" and their not working fast enough on the oil spill crisis.

June 13, 2010 at 6:15 a.m.
samplegirl said...

With BP easily elbowing and muscling ahead of Goldman Sachs, Magnatar, Blackwater, Monsanto and other world-eaters as the evilest corporation on the planet earth, all the mainstream media can talk about now is how President Obama must avoid the appearance of looking like "the angry black man" when the Chief Executive is, quite understandably, pissed about BP's Biblical-class negligence and incompetence in what is shaping up to be the worst American ecological disaster since Love Canal, Three Mile Island or the Exxon Valdez oil tanker spill.

June 13, 2010 at 7:47 a.m.
rolando said...

The third panel could have easily have said, "Wanna see it again?" Would have made more sense that way.

Dear Leader could give deadpan lessons to Buster Keeton [Old Stone Face]. DL easily avoids the "angry black man" look or appearance [whatever that is].

The only person he needs to kick in the butt is himself for his very poor performance during the disaster...he doesn't even have Bush's reason for holding back during Katrina [federal law]. 'Bout all ole Dear Leader can do 'round about now is point fingers and assign blame...his forte and sole accomplishment this past 15-16 months.

June 13, 2010 at 8:22 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

"Jesus wept," so is Obama following Him?

June 13, 2010 at 9:17 a.m.
GAIntrigue said...

Obama couldn't win in this situation no matter how he reacted. Had he stepped right in when this disaster first broke, Sarah Palin and her acolytes would have been shouting he was trying to take over the oil companies. HOWEVER, the time has passed for this lose-lose situation. Even his supporters are ready to throw up their arms because swift action is needed NOW since it didn't happen weeks ago.

As far as calling the CEO of BP, what would be the point? That CEO and his company have more than demonstrated their incompetence in this disaster. Maybe they should be contacted and placed in a holding cell until other experts are called in and this disaster can be resolved. Then once resolved, we can have them readily available to nail them to the wall.

June 13, 2010 at 9:25 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

"Humpty Dumpty fell off a wall" so is Andrew following him?

June 13, 2010 at 11:14 a.m.
Clara said...

I DO hope he doesn't take it out on Michelle and the children! There are certainly much better targets.

I'm gritting my teeth but it isn't at the President.

If I felt able I'd swat a golf ball...HARD! So what if I do bring up a 2 foot divot!

Great Cartoon Clay!

June 13, 2010 at 12:58 p.m.
woody said...

Showing emotion can be vastly overrated. Two perfectly good examples quickly come to mind. 1. When "Tricky Dicky" said, "I am not a crook." 2. And when Clinton said, "I did not have sex with that woman."

I could go on, but I'll just stop right there and see what the rest of you can come up with.

I reiterate, I did not vote for the man, but I'll reserve final judgment until I get a glimpse of what 'the Opposition' comes up with in 2012.

Keep smiling, Woody

June 13, 2010 at 3:47 p.m.
sd said...

Clay, you nailed it.

I dunno about you guys, but the fact that the President actually said he wanted to know, "whose ass to kick," on national television made it a red-letter day for me.

This situation is a complete no-win for everyone all around, but if you don't laugh you have to cry, right? At least we got an awesome soundbyte out of it.

June 13, 2010 at 3:56 p.m.
moonpie said...

So exactly what do people want? Rowdy Roddy Piper?

It is possible to be angry and have decorum.

Given a choice between the two, I'll take the latter.

And yes... this cartoon did hit the nail on the head.

June 13, 2010 at 4:19 p.m.
alprova said...

Displaying anger is what people do when they are not in control of their emotions.

I feel that the President's calm, cool, and collected exterior, anytime he is in public, is one of his best character traits.

I'm sure that behind closed doors, as has been reported a time or two, he is prone to demonstrations of anger like all of us are.

Animated displays of anger are highly overrated.

Many people have chosen to display anger over the oil spill in the Gulf, but to what end?

James Carville is a perfect example of a man who has several times sat or stood in front of a camera and allowed his anger to make a complete fool of himself.

When people are angry, they rarely make wise word choices.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5923168-gulf-coast-oil-spill-demcratic-strategist-james-carville-critizes-obama/video/56294554

June 13, 2010 at 6:36 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

US turned down Britain’s offer to help clean up BP oil rig spill

Robin Pagnamenta, Energy Editor June 14, 2010 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7149576.ece


BP oil spill may not be capped until Christmas, expert warns

'Everyone should be prepared for worst-case scenario', says the head of oil consultancy group

Terry Macalister and Richard Wachman guardian.co.uk, Sunday 13 June 2010 22.11 BST http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/13/bp-oil-spill-timetable


Obama heads to Gulf in hoping of exerting control over oil spill disaster

Anger in Alabama over damage to tourism and presidential response locals compare to that after hurricane Katrina

Suzanne Goldenberg in Orange Beach guardian.co.uk, Sunday 13 June 2010 22.09 BST http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/13/deepwater-horizon-oil-spill-obama

June 13, 2010 at 8:05 p.m.
Clara said...

Inspector,

The first URL has me wondering as to who the exact persons in the State Dept. turned down the offer of dispersants. Was our State Dept. in touch at all with another agency of the U.S. to help make that decision?

I also wonder if the refusal was because the dispersants offered might have been of the toxic variety.

I can't see that even our "high" officials would take such a step without advice. I'm sure, that although knowledgeable about a lot of things, oil drilling is NOT their area of expertise.

Just wondering!

What a MESS!

June 13, 2010 at 9:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Why are so many people attempting to compare the oil spill in the Gulf to Karina? The disasters are so vastly different, that it defies all comprehension, at least from where I sit, that any response or lack thereof between the two, are in any manner comparable.

Katrina absolutely endangered human lives. People who survived the onslaught of the Hurricane were left without resources that would keep them alive. The oil spill CURRENTLY is not endangering human life.

The Government has massive plans on hand, detailing how the Government is to deal with natural disasters. The Government as far as I know, does not prepare for all possible tragedy that can ever occur within or just outside our land borders.

An oil spill is NOT a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The men who caused it, or are educated in how to deal with it, are on the job and doing all they can.

Getting angry, spreading conspiracy theories, or demanding timelines for resolutions is not going to solve a thing. If people think that if the Government takes control of the situation, that it will be fixed immediately, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

The President is not going to mount a battleship, go to the scene, open his arms like he was opening a book, whereupon a mile of ocean water will magically part, revealing the broken well head, then allowing someone to cap it with one fell swoop.

Do you know what will happen if the Government takes it over? They're probably gonna drop a nuke on that well to attempt to fuse it closed. That's about all that they have at their disposal to deal with it.

How comfortable are any of you with that proposition? What will be the repercussions on wildlife both above and under water, and for how long? How long will it be before anyone would begin to want to eat anything fished out of the Gulf?

What would that do to tourism?

Don't think for a second that all this crap being played out on national television, night after night, is not forcing our Government to contemplate some very sordid and extreme methods to stop that oil spill.

I'm glad the man in the White House is making rational decisions. I absolutely shudder to think what Bill Clinton might have done in response to public pressure, had this happened on his watch.

June 13, 2010 at 10:24 p.m.
aces25 said...

Regarding the cartoon, I think this would be an accurate representation of the President up until a couple of weeks ago. The calm, collected demeanor has slowly been punched through with the building stress over the situation. The NBC interview with the butt kicking comment seems evident of this. But that is just my observations.


samplegirl, the "world-eater" corporations you speak of also employ thousands of honest, hardworking individuals who are trying to support themselves and their families. Because these companies are good at what they do and make money doing it, they also typically offer higher wages to their workforce. I understand there are going to be situations where there are exceptions, but to demonize large corporations because they pull profits and do well for themselves, their workforce, investors, and all others positively affected by the company is ignorant.


alprova, the comparison seems to come from the response of the event, not the event itself. However, it is more complicated due to response including several parties including the obvious (BP or the US government). Unfortunately we live in a world now where many would rather look for who to blame rather than focus energies on assessing and addressing the issue at hand.

June 14, 2010 at 8:40 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

"The third panel could have easily have said, "Wanna see it again?" Would have made more sense that way."

If you're going for the laugh you're right, but Clay nailed a perfect caricature of Obama.

As for the spill, we need lots more people manning lots more boom. We also need more skimmers.

We need to let local Gulf towns, municipalities, cities, whatever, clean up their own beaches. They have the know-how and the equipment and BP can compensate them.

Send those guys with the shovels and garbage bags out to man booms protecting the wetlands. Boom is primitive but fairly effective if you have enough people working it.

We have lots of unemployed people in America. Congress should pass a jobs bill to hire some of them for cleanup duty. (Count on the Republicans to scream socialism and try to block it.)

Personally, I'd prefer to see the Coast Guard and EPA running things with the man power and resources of BP at their disposal. BP is focused on stopping the leak but we need to try and keep any more oil from washing up on the shore.

The rig blew almost two months ago and the oil keeps gushing. NOBODY knows when they are going to cap it.

Folks, we're still at the beginning.

June 14, 2010 at 8:53 a.m.
rrmurry said...

I can't believe no one heard what he really said. The audio must have been distorted.

When talking about the people who run Big Oil, politicians would never say what you think was said.

What was really said? "I need to know whose ass to kiss."

June 14, 2010 at 10:56 a.m.
rolando said...

I was deadly serious, BW48. That, too, was a perfect caricature of Dear Leader.

Bennett's would have been more complete had he depicted DL wearing tartan gaiters, golfing shoes, short pants, and a sports-car cap, while holding a putter.

Your clean-up ideas are good ones...except allowing folks not responsive to the voters to run the thing. That's one of DL's things that has gotten us where we are today.

I might suggest further research into deep-water drilling...nothing is sure when you enter that realm and anything, absolutely anything, can happen. IMO, BP et al were unprepared for the likelihood of a gas bubble with consequent explosion and the aftermath. That's one thing with which I find fault. Not everything is foreseeable when drilling for oil 15,000/20,000 ft below a seabottom one mile down.

And, yes, we are still a day one.

June 14, 2010 at 11:06 a.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

Then: Obama (Dear Leader) is tring to take over private business. Now: Obama is not doing enough to help save (gulf) business. Then: Government needs to let the market/business take care of it's self. Now: The government needs to help more. Then: Too much regulation! Now: Where were the regulators?

You guys are funny.

June 14, 2010 at 11:08 a.m.
Sailorman said...

No funnier than you SeaSmokie.

Trying to cast regulation as all or nothing is ludicrous. Of course there is a role for government regulation and oversight.They do seem to spend an inordinate amount of effort regulating us little folks as compared to situations that really need the oversight though.

Maybe the fact that there has never been an accident anything close to this made them complacent. Or do you see it as "big oil" with too much clout? If they have it, it's only because the bureaucracy, like MMS, allowed them to have it.

The age old question: how much regulation is enough? Thanks for the chuckle though.

June 14, 2010 at 11:49 a.m.
moonpie said...

Funny post SeaSmokie and very true.

Most regulations did not arise in a vacuum. They arose because people or companies took liberties that harmed competition or harmed people.

As loopholes were found to get around those regulations, more regulations closed loopholes.

Private enterprise and government are like two monsters wrestling, each growing new arms and heads to attack and counter-strike the other.

Even then, regulations are only as good as enforcement and consequence.

I too, found it funny to hear the cries of "what's the government doing" from the crowd that frequently calls for limited goverment roll and deregulation. A lot of these people were in the Drill-Baby-Drill camp.

I find it also very sad and funny that Obama jumped onto Drill-Baby-Drill side just before this debacle. He should have stuck to his principles. Now Palin and Obama have more difficulty defending those positions.

Think we'll hear either of them say they were wrong?

June 14, 2010 at 2 p.m.

Who is asking for anger? We asked the POTUS to show leadership... you know... the job description. Instead, DL has verablly attacked BP and placed additional penalties on them all the while they attempt to stop the spill and clean-up the mess. That's the epitome of poor leadership.

DL has purpassed Jimmy Carter as the most incompetent POTUS in the last 50 years. No question.

June 14, 2010 at 2:19 p.m.
Sailorman said...

moonpie

"They arose because people or companies took liberties that harmed competition or harmed people."

Oh please - you're smarter than that.

June 14, 2010 at 4:24 p.m.
rolando said...

DL wasn't saving businesses by doing nothing, SeaSmoke...he was merely doing...nothing. As I said, that's his forte during crises...that and sneaking through his agenda. Makes one wonder if he isn't orchestrating some of this stuff...

June 14, 2010 at 5:03 p.m.
rolando said...

rrmurray-- great post; I read it through, waiting for the punch line, not reading ahead. The wait was well worth it. Great job of examining root sources; thanks for the laugh.

June 14, 2010 at 5:05 p.m.
alprova said...

Would somebody open a window...please? All these people passing gas and blaming the President for it, are really starting to stink the place up.

SeaSmokie59er hit the nail on the head with a 30 pound sledge hammer.

All you whiners who spent a year making those stupendous claims that the Obama Administration was taking over private enterprise are now whining because the Obama Administration is not taking over a private international enterprise.

Moonpie aptly pointed out that if it were not for people who will do anything to maximize profits, regulating private enterprise would be totally unnecessary.

Just remember one thing: That rig that exploded would not have been out there with piping that had to reach a mile under the water to reach oil, if it were not for those who find oil wells so ugly and detestable, that they were forced to locate them 50 miles offshore.

"Drill, baby, drill" was all the right-wing rage until the worst happened. Now we are to believe that some of these people were against deep water drilling operations all along? That's priceless, and it will come back to haunt those who are now distancing themselves from their own words.

Louisiana Governor, Bobby Jindal raised Cain about the lack of Governmental action and regulating, until the President shut down the oil rigs for six months to conduct intensive reviews and inspections. "Whoa"...he then said. "What about those workers? They need their jobs."

I tell ya, all these people doing complete 180's over and over, as all of this has evolved, is like watching a game of ping-pong.

President Obama is not a super hero. There are limits to his powers, his knowledge, and his abilities to deal with many things. And that holds just as true for any man elected to the office.

All this armchair critiquing isn't about any lack of leadership in response to the oil spill. No matter what he does, those fingers will type away with anything and everything imaginable to find wrong in what he does. You know and I know it.

And for the record, GWB suffered the same level of disrespect from the left, much of it undeserved, some of it well deserved.

June 14, 2010 at 6:24 p.m.
rolando said...

That's your upper lip you smell, alpo. [A very old comeback to your comment.]

You should avoid eating whatever it is you eat...

And dear Leader is indeed not a super hero...super heroes are not Communists.

June 14, 2010 at 6:53 p.m.
moonpie said...

So Sailor,

How do you think regulations come about?

June 14, 2010 at 7:22 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Alprova

"Just remember one thing: That rig that exploded would not have been out there with piping that had to reach a mile under the water to reach oil, if it were not for those who find oil wells so ugly and detestable, that they were forced to locate them 50 miles offshore."

At least you got that right. Seasmokie hit the nail on the head? HA I refer you to my response to him.

"Louisiana Governor, Bobby Jindal raised Cain about the lack of Governmental action and regulating, until the President shut down the oil rigs for six months to conduct intensive reviews and inspections. "Whoa"...he then said. "What about those workers? They need their jobs."

Well what about those workers? And the rigs that will be moved? Unfortunate though it may be we still need oil. What is it with the all or nothing attitude? Of course the fed should assist. That doesn't mean by any stretch that a six month moratorium is in order. Don't tell me you think that's a smart move.

Now the inevitable opportunist move to push through cap and trade. Yes we need energy legislation to help us move away from petroleum fuels. It won't negate the need for petroleum byproducts other than fuels. Driving fuel prices to unsustainable levels for the average American without at least providing a reasonable, affordable path is a disaster in the making.

Obama is a politician acting like a politician. No matter who was president, I suspect we wouldn't be seeing much different. Instead of passing another program to tax the living cr*p out of us and watching congress waste it, I'd like to see a "moonshot" program ala Kennedy. THAT was leadership. Don't tell me this country couldn't do it. And I wouldn't mind paying for it.

June 14, 2010 at 7:24 p.m.
Clara said...

20,ooo ft.is about 3 1/2 miles down, Rolando! Are any companies you know drilling that deeply?

June 14, 2010 at 8:37 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Macondo Prospect

"On location in Mississippi Canyon Block 252 in the Gulf of Mexico, the Deepwater Horizon recently concluded exploration drilling on the Macondo prospect. According to the Minerals Management Service, BP filed a permit to temporarily abandon the well, on which the Deepwater Horizon commenced drilling in February 2010. With a proposed depth of 20,000 ft, the exploration well was drilled to just over 18,000 ft." Beneath the ocean floor

Deepwater Horizon

According to RigLogix, the Deepwater Horizon, an RBS-8D-designed dynamically-positioned semisub, was rated to work in water depths up to 10,000' and with a rated drilling depth capacity of 30,000'. The rig was under long-term contract to BP through September 2013 with a current dayrate in the low-$500s. The Deepwater Horizon was built in Ulsan, South Korea by Hyundai Heavy Industries at a cost of approximately $365 million and entered service in 2001.

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=91728&hmpn=1

It's been around a while

June 14, 2010 at 8:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Sailorman wrote: "Well what about those workers? And the rigs that will be moved? Unfortunate though it may be we still need oil. What is it with the all or nothing attitude? Of course the fed should assist. That doesn't mean by any stretch that a six month moratorium is in order. Don't tell me you think that's a smart move."


Shall we wait to see if another rig will explode due to faulty concreting? Yes we need oil and we probably will for some time to come. I'm not opposed in any way to drilling for oil, in case that has not been made clear.

The way I see it, the President was forced to call for that moratorium. It was the responsible thing to do, given the circumstances and BP's trend to skirt safety precautions. As the rigs are inspected and declared safe, they will probably be given the go to resume operations.

Hopefully, it will not take six months to do it.

Only 25 rigs were affected by the the moratorium, which should not present an extensive delay if MMS gets busy with the inspections and recertification's. As of the 7th, nine have ceased all operations, and 16 are set to shut down at the first, safe opportunity to do so.

The President did this in response to a report submitted by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar.

http://www.doi.gov/deepwaterhorizon/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&PageID=33598


"Obama is a politician acting like a politician. No matter who was president, I suspect we wouldn't be seeing much different. Instead of passing another program to tax the living cr*p out of us and watching congress waste it, I'd like to see a "moonshot" program ala Kennedy. THAT was leadership. Don't tell me this country couldn't do it. And I wouldn't mind paying for it."


Am I missing or misunderstanding something?

You'd rather see money spent to walk on the moon than to spend money to develop renewable energy sources that will absolutely be imperative at some point in the future?

Cap and Trade has been as misrepresented by so many, as has been the Small Arms Treaty that is being bantered about on a global level.

Who do you think is behind much of the misinformation? Those interests who stand to lose the most. Cap and Trade is opposed by oil companies. The Small Arms Treaty is opposed by gun manufacturers.

Cap and Trade is an INCENTIVE program to coerce energy suppliers to move to clean burning technology. The CBO, whom many from the right have cited as a source of credible information so many times, has stated clearly that Cap and Trade would cost the average family the equivalent of "a postage stamp a day."

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/25/edward-markey/claims-cbo-predicts-cap-and-trade-will-cost-about-/

There is a link on the above page to the CBO report.

Now, all of this is dependent upon the C&T proposals remaining the same as they were last year.

June 15, 2010 at 6:11 a.m.
alprova said...

I need to clarify something.

Cap and Trade is opposed by not just oil companies. It is opposed by those who provide coal as well.

Jobs are a concern, of course. But with each job lost in either oil or coal production, opens another door to jobs considered to be green. It's happening as we speak.

June 15, 2010 at 6:20 a.m.
rolando said...

Thanks for the reply, Sailorman. Some folks don't realize just how deep those wells go.


The pressure that deep is tremendous; archived film of old derrick-driven drilling show what sometimes happened when a "gusher" came through...all those 75 ft [or so] drilling rods blowing straight into the air, well above the derrick-tops, just like spitwads out of a straw.

Dangerous and unpredictable as deep-water drilling is, IMO BP et al became careless -- perhaps because they considered it a ho-hum routine job. Mother Earth proved them wrong.

June 15, 2010 at 6:55 a.m.
rolando said...

Alpo; check the "green" jobs stats/interviews for and of those unemployed Michigan autoworker types who took the greenjob-training courses sponsored [and paid for] by the gov't...

They just ain't there.

June 15, 2010 at 6:59 a.m.
Sailorman said...

Al

"Shall we wait to see if another rig will explode due to faulty concreting?"

How many times has that happened? In fact, how many explosions have there been of any kind> How many oil spills have there been as a result of accidents in ocean drilling? Nothing is risk free.

"50,000 other wells have been drilled in US waters without major incident, 700 of which are as deep or deeper than the one at the center of this disaster."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100615/bs_afp/usoilenvironmentpollutiondrilling

"But with each job lost in either oil or coal production, opens another door to jobs considered to be green."

Eventually - maybe. What are they supposed to do in the meantime? Welfare, food stamps, and unemployment?

Yes you misunderstood. Maybe I should have said "moonshot" TYPE program for energy development. A plan beats politically motivated knee-jerk reactions every time.

Salazar tried to imply the experts recommended the shutdown. They didn't. The White House wanted it - politics. Spend a little time looking into the real impact.

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/jindal_says_obama_still_doesnt.html

I'm waiting for the announcement of the wind powered 747.

June 15, 2010 at 7:12 a.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "Alpo; check the "green" jobs stats/interviews for and of those unemployed Michigan autoworker types who took the greenjob-training courses sponsored [and paid for] by the gov't...

They just ain't there."


I never said they were there...yet.

Cap and Trade will provide the avenue to begin to create them.

June 15, 2010 at 7:46 p.m.
Sailorman said...

"Cap and Trade will provide the avenue to begin to create them"

yeah right - see you in the soup line.

June 15, 2010 at 8:11 p.m.
alprova said...

Sailorman wrote: "How many times has that happened? In fact, how many explosions have there been of any kind> How many oil spills have there been as a result of accidents in ocean drilling? Nothing is risk free."


Worldwide, and since 1954, there have been approximately 225 oil rig explosions, eight of which resulted in major spills.

Between 1971 and 2000, the U.S. Coast Guard identified more than 250,000 oil spills in U.S. waters, according to a 2002 report from the U.S. Department of the Interior Minerals Management Service. Most of those involved tankers transporting oil.


"..."50,000 other wells have been drilled in US waters without major incident, 700 of which are as deep or deeper than the one at the center of this disaster"..."


There have been a handful of major disasters. Most of the major spills occurred in the 60's and the 70's. Spills routinely occur during hurricanes and most of those fail to capture the attention of the media, who are more likely to be intensely focusing on the devastation on land.


I previously wrote: "But with each job lost in either oil or coal production, opens another door to jobs considered to be green."

Sailorman wrote: "Eventually - maybe. What are they supposed to do in the meantime? Welfare, food stamps, and unemployment?"


Sometimes, a career change is forced. I'm not advocating that we instantly and magically make a switch to green technology, but it has to start somewhere and at some point.

And yes, it will mean that some people will be displaced during the changeover. I know it's an old and tired example, but I'm sure that workers who made buggy whips or who bred and sold horses for a living were less than pleased with the invention of the automobile.

I think we can agree that adapting to new technology is a good thing, despite those displaced during such changeovers.

Nothing is forever.

"Yes you misunderstood. Maybe I should have said "moonshot" TYPE program for energy development. A plan beats politically motivated knee-jerk reactions every time."


Cap and Trade is not new. People have been working on the proposed plan for 17 years.


"Salazar tried to imply the experts recommended the shutdown. They didn't. The White House wanted it - politics. Spend a little time looking into the real impact."


There was nothing at all political in that decision.


"I'm waiting for the announcement of the wind powered 747."


Eventually, airplane engine manufacturers are going to have to seek some other way to power those planes. Oil is not a finite resource of energy. The world will run out of it at some point in the future, and for all we know, it could very well happen during our lifetime.

Why wait until it does run out to start making plans?

A turkey will turn it's nose up in a downpour and drown itself. Aren't we supposed to be a wee bit more intelligent?

June 15, 2010 at 8:47 p.m.
Sailorman said...

"Worldwide, and since 1954, there have been approximately 225 oil rig explosions, eight of which resulted in major spills."

Out of how many rigs that have operated since 1954? Eight spills in 56 years? And you find that meaningful - amazing.

"Between 1971 and 2000, the U.S. Coast Guard identified more than 250,000 oil spills in U.S. waters, according to a 2002 report from the U.S. Department of the Interior Minerals Management Service. Most of those involved tankers transporting oil."

Really - tankers transporting oil huh? How many tankers? How many millions of gallons of oil? Over 29 years? What's a "spill"? A leak of bilge oil vs Exxon Valdez?

"I think we can agree that adapting to new technology is a good thing, despite those displaced during such changeovers."

Absolutely we can. Unfortunately, I don't trust this administration - see the new Healthcare legislation (google New 1099 Requirements for 2012 as an example). Remember this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ&feature=player_embedded#!

"Yes you misunderstood. Maybe I should have said "moonshot" TYPE program for energy development. A plan beats politically motivated knee-jerk reactions every time."


Cap and Trade is not new. People have been working on the proposed plan for 17 years.

You mean they've been trying to figure out how to gain control over the energy industry while reaping vast new tax revenues. They see this as their golden moment. The point I was making was about leadership anyway.

"There was nothing at all political in that decision."

rofl - dang that's a good one - you do have a sense of humor after all.

" Oil is not a finite resource of energy. The world will run out of it at some point in the future, and for all we know, it could very well happen during our lifetime. Why wait until it does run out to start making plans?"

I don't recall saying we should wait. Can you say "draconian"?

It has to start - it will take years. I refer again the Kennedy's leadership vs Obama.

Like I said - see you in the soup line.

Have a nice evening

June 15, 2010 at 9:27 p.m.
amundsenrocks said...

To the person who put "Jesus wept," have you forgotten when he tore up the temple?

June 15, 2010 at 9:27 p.m.
rolando said...

alpo said, "But with each job lost in either oil or coal production, opens another door to jobs considered to be green. It's happening as we speak."

You said it right there, al. You make these comments carefully, implying one thing but retaining "plausible deniability". Very sly; very political.

As for your claiming to say the jobs "weren't there - yet", YOU didn't say that, Sailorman did. You also take claim to others statements; again, very sly; very political.

June 16, 2010 at 8:12 a.m.
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