published Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

The GOP Campaigns

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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eeeeeek said...

Half mast.

Funny, seeing as the rumors amongst the C Street fellows, is that Wamp can only get a half mast

Oh.. this is about the campaign ;-)

June 22, 2010 at 7:12 a.m.
Shock said...

Since we're discussing a republican primary, I have a question for Rolando. Something you posted on the Libertarian cartoon has been on my mind. You referenced a "RINO" - Republican in name only. Seeing as how we really only have two parties to represent all the wide ranging beliefs in this country, I'm curious as to what are some "deal breakers" for you to put someone in the RINO category. In other words, what are the very specific beliefs someone would have to have for you to regard them as a RINO instead of a true Republican?

Also, if there are any Dems out there who want to weigh in on what makes someone a DINO, that'd be great. I think both topics would make interesting discussion. . .

June 22, 2010 at 8:01 a.m.
miraweb said...

As a liberal, I can vouch that we call a DINO a "Lieberman".

HTH. :-)

June 22, 2010 at 9:09 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Any Republican can earn the RINO label by just appearing to agree with the President. Take the case of Florida Governor Charlie Christ who was photographed shaking hands with Obama and giving him a man-hug.

(Important etiquette tip for men: Don't hug. It's just wrong. Hug your dad, hug your brother, but leave all other males alone.)

Christ, favored to win election to the Senate in November, suddenly found himself challenged to win the Republican primary.

Christ is still favored to win in November but was forced to abandon the GOP and run as an independent. RINO was the nicest thing his primary opponent called him.

It's tougher for Democrats to earn a DINO label. Senators like Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln represent conservative states and tend to vote accordingly.

Of course, don't tell that to Joe Lieberman, who lost the Democratic primary in Connecticut for hugging Bush. (See? Nothing good comes from a man-hug.)

Arlen Specter lost the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania but most voters saw his switch from the Republican party as a calculated move to win re-election. His Republican challenger in the primary was ahead in the polls, and, again, Specter was seen as a RINO.

Democrats usually favor candidates who can win their election. It seems that Republicans would rather lose an election than nominate somebody who wasn't "pure," someone who strayed from the party line.

There are always exceptions, but there are conservative, moderate, and liberal democrats. it's tough to find even a moderate Republican.

June 22, 2010 at 9:36 a.m.
toonfan said...

A very fitting image according to the latest polls.

Apparently, Bill Haslam is pulling away from the rest of the field. Haslam leads with 37% support. Zach Wamp is second with 24% and Ron Ramsey is dead last with just 15% support (which, this late in the game, looks pretty bad).

If Ramsey loses (which seems VERY likely) he can always go back to the obscurity of being Tennessee's lieutenant governor and speaker of the state senate, but if Zach loses, that's it- he's jobless. And as much as I would hate to add to the unemployment rolls, I'll gladly make an exception for Zach.

June 22, 2010 at 9:49 a.m.
MountainJoe said...

Ramsey has been saving his money for the final push. He will pass Wamp by the time of the election. Whether or not he can catch Haslam, with his millions in personal money, remains to be seen.

+1 on seeing Zach unemployed, though.

June 22, 2010 at 10:15 a.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Shock wrote, "In other words, what are the very specific beliefs someone would have to have for you to regard them as a RINO instead of a true Republican?"

I suspect Rolando will be along shortly, however, I'll give you my opinion. Auto-RINO status to anyone who supports... Fetus murder, government expansion, higher taxes, "environmental" money extraction scams, a weakened military, governmental infringement of civil rights(specifically the 2nd Amendment but any others as well), federal involvement in local schools, entitlement expansion, affirmative action(aka government sanctioned racism), judicial activism, ex post facto law changes, legislative opacity, governmental arts funding, governmental sports funding, deficit spending on anything that is not national defense related, private use of government assets, government workers unions, ever expanding government worker compensation packages, political monkey business within the Dept. of Justice, illegal immigrant amnesty, reduced sentencing for violent crimes, the current labyrinthine tax code, etc... and any other assumption of authority by Congress which is not explicitly listed in Article I, Sec.8 of the U.S. Constitution, or by the President which is not explicitly listed in Article II, Secs.2 and 3.

I've yet to be exposed to a single politician who abides by the rules set out in the Constitution. They would be un-electable by the population at large as they would not be able to promise their constituents largess stolen under color of law from fellow citizens, and that is what most (especially Democrat) voters expect from their "team".

Article VI states, "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution.."

It seems to me that conservative Repubs have the least inclination to do more harm by pushing further away from the revolutionary founding principles of this country which fundamentally changed the relationship between the government and the governed, and allowed humans to finally be free from the oppression of those who consider themselves more enlightened/educated, or just plain entitled to lord over the common folks and tell them how to live. This is why I've never voted for a liberal democrat in my entire life, their views are fundamentally incompatible with the founding principles of this nation.

I tend to hold my nose and vote for the least offensive candidates on the ballot, even if they are RINOs. It doesn't mean I like it, or that I even support most of what they do when/if they achieve office. I don't look at politics as a team sport, were one roots for and supports the "team" no matter what happens. When statist dems win, we all lose. When statist repubs win, we all lose. If a Constitutional purist from any party were to win, we'd all win.

June 22, 2010 at 4:39 p.m.
Shock said...

Thanks for the response, ScottyM. I've been indy and apparently have viewed the two parties as being more cohesive than perhaps they are: your "team sport" as it were. Obviously a repub or dem candidate who doesn't support the things listed in the platform could get that label. I would think it starts to get a little murky when expanded to the public at large where people are less constrained to express their true thoughts and opinions. For instance, if someone holds a belief that isn't listed in the platform, but regards others in the party who don't hold that belief as RINOS or DINOS.

June 22, 2010 at 5:46 p.m.
rolando said...

You stated it better than I could have, SCOTTYM. Thank you.

I would make only one wee addition: To "auto-RINO status to anyone who supports..." I would add or votes for".

We have had a few who publicly stated they did not support something yet they voted for it.

June 22, 2010 at 7:55 p.m.
rolando said...

In my experience, the term is generally applied to elected officials only, Shock.

They not only fail to support their own party's position on various topics but instead adopt the opposition's position. Arlen Spectre comes to mind as does Sen Snow of Maine and Sen McCain of Arizona [who fancies himself a "Maverick"].

June 22, 2010 at 8:02 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

I find it interesting, SCOTTYM, that homosexuality and same sex marriages weren't on your list. How refreshing...

June 22, 2010 at 9:07 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Shock, You're welcome.


Rol,

You're welcome, as well. Though I'd never place words in your mouth, I do believe we are on the same side of the fence vis a vis statism vs. individual liberty.


SavartiTN,

Homosexuality, I couldn't care less what consenting adults do in private.

Same-sex marriage=oxymoronic debasement of the language.

Same-sex legal unions with legal rights equal to male+female legal unions(aka marriage)? Again, I could not possibly care less. Have at it. You'll get no complaints from me until you start trying to pretend the word marriage still applies.

June 22, 2010 at 10:32 p.m.
neverneverno said...

I would just like to point out, and this may be out of the bounds of this discussion, that most conservatives dont disagree with government programs because they are against helping people who deserve help. I think that this is a misconception. Conservatives are against government involvement in people's lives because we believe that the government (1) doesnt have the constitutional right to do these things, (2) almost always hurts those that it intends to help, and (3) this largess being doled out by politicians compounds corruption and is destructive to our representative form of government.

June 22, 2010 at 11:13 p.m.
Shock said...

Rolando: "In my experience, the term is generally applied to elected officials only, Shock."

Ahhh, couldn't tell from your post on the other toon since there generally aren't libertarian party candidates actually on the ballot. I thought you were referring to the public at large. I've got my head wrapped around it now, thanks.

June 23, 2010 at 6:22 a.m.
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