published Tuesday, May 25th, 2010

The Surrender

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

Sarah Palin is married to a man who worked for British Petroleum for 18 years, but according to her, President Obama is 'in bed' with big oil.

Robert Gibbs is my hero. He brazenly suggested that Mrs. Palin's criticism is totally "ill-timed" and said that "she needs a blowout preventer."

"You've got to have a license to drive a car in this country, but regrettably you can get on a TV show and say virtually anything."

Clearly, there are people who will blame the Government for anything and everything. More to the point, what happened to "Drill, baby drill?" The woman is a complete moron, and complete morons are rare.

Look, the problem is not complex. A pipe is broken a mile under water. If it were ten feet under water, it could have been plugged off in a day. The approximate pressure surrounding anything that exists at such a depth is around 2,400 psi. Nothing that would work ten feet under water would begin to work a mile below the water's surface.

No one, least of all British Petroleum, wanted this to happen, expected it to happen, or was prepared to deal with it on a moment's notice. I think that all that can be done is being done.

Only 20% of the fishing industry has been affected by this disaster, of course a horrible situation for those 20% of fishermen who are currently sidelined. So far, only 70 miles of the coastline have seen landfall of the oil, a very small slice of that which could be drowning in it. For sure, wildlife has been affected by this disaster, but unless I have missed something, it has been kept to a very small minimum.

There will be all kinds of time to point fingers of blame, and no doubt, there will be hearings upon hearings to discover who is to blame for this ecological disaster. Right now however, the focus is as it should be, to stop the flow of oil emanating from that broken well head.

Every American, directly or indirectly affected by this problem and/or who is concerned about this disaster, need to stand back, withhold judgment, allow the experts to do their jobs, and to pray for success in fixing the problem.

Criticism, most of the time, comes from people who have no clue what they are talking about, as Sarah Palin so woefully demonstrates on a routine basis. Her claims are based upon an allegation that the President received the highest collective donation of $77,000 and change from BP employees. Does that tell the whole story? Of course not.

So far in 2010, the oil and gas industries have contributed $12.8 million to all candidates, with 71% of that money going to Republicans. During the 2008 election cycle, 77% of the industry’s $35.6 million in contributions went to Republicans, and in 2008, Republican Presidential candidate Sen. John McCain received more than twice as much money from the oil and gas industries as Obama -- McCain collected $2.4 million. Obama? $898,000.

While Mrs. Palin deserves no attention, her one-sided tales most definitely do deserve to be pointed out.

May 25, 2010 at 1:40 a.m.
Clara said...

Another good one, Clay!

I'm curious!

How large is the diameter of the vent?

Around 2,400 psi water pressure at a mile down? Gee, my ears bother me at 12 ft.

what is the pressure of the OIL spouting out at the vent head?

Etc.?

Is Clive Cusler working on the problem?

May 25, 2010 at 6:04 a.m.
EaTn said...

This obviously will be one of the worst man-made disasters of all time and will impact the Gulf and the entire country for years to come. With the hundreds of off-shore oil wells in the region, it's unimaginable that the oil companies and our govt did not have a proven plan in place to handle such a catastrophic event- an industry that makes billions in profit every year. I'm sure many a person in high places has asked themselves "what is our disaster plan if a well ruptures"? Did some fear for their jobs and did not bring the issue to the top?

May 25, 2010 at 6:17 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Aw... Tears. Tears. Tears. I have nothing to say about the oil spill because I am so heartbroken about it, especially for the marine life. Thanks, Clay.

May 25, 2010 at 6:41 a.m.
aces25 said...

No doubt Gibbs must be your hero, alprova. Clay produces one of his few non-bias cartoons and somehow the sniping of Palin came up?

Ugh.


With respect to the cartoon, the biggest problem with this disaster is the fact that nothing like this has ever happened before and therefore will require a learning curve as each solution is thrown into the fire. There will not be simply one party to blame in all of this, but many. The political jockeying to blame one party or the other is futile. Full efforts must focus on mitigating any further negative impact.

Disasters like this will most likely not have just one point of failure, but multiple points of failure along the time-line leading up the zero hour of the event. Many of these failure points could be as simple as poorly reviewed procedures, bad habits and assumptions, etc. I will be interested to see, after all investigations are complete, the sequence of events that lead to the tragedy.

May 25, 2010 at 8:48 a.m.
OllieH said...

Very sad, but beautifully executed, Clay.

I love the oily sheen on the water in the cartoon. I mean I hate it. I mean, very visually effective drawing.

May 25, 2010 at 9:13 a.m.

Figures when any photo or drawing is shown of the effect on sea life from mankind's pollutions, some ignore the effect on humans and some blame Bush or Sarah Palin.

I'm no apologist for either, but wasn't Bush criticized endlessly (until this day even) for being so slow at "reacting" to Katrina? And that's what he was supposed to do. The Libs conveniently forgot in the case of a Katrina-type disaster, the Feds have to stand back and allow the State to act first. Then when the State declares SOE, the Feds step in. Seems the Mayor and Governor diddled around and then when FEMA sent billions of our money in checks for the survivors, there was massive abuse and fraud by the people of LA.

In the case of the BP oil spill, the Feds are SUPPOSED to step up right away and make sure BP is doing everything possible. If BP diddles, the Feds have every right to push on them. According to those in the know, Obama and WH crew have diddled and piddled and done next to nothing, while BP has been struggling to shut the thing off.

So Fact 1: we have the fumbling Bumbler, Bob Gibbs stating Palin should shut up because she knows nothing of oil. Obama and Gibbs' crew have proved they know even less. Then we hear Obama and Dems have hardly taken 'any money' from BP et al, in comparison to those evil Repubs. According to the latest figures out, the Dems, including Obama have indeed taken far more than previously reported (including from all the big Banks and Unions).

Fact 2: Obama and Gibbs et al, have never held a REAL job in their lives. They're the dumbest Pols we've ever had in DC to date. Hardly the ones to hold up as paragons of intellect. In comparison, Todd Palin has held down three jobs AND raised his children by hand, for years. One of his jobs is WORKING on the North Slope in Alaska. If he was a Dem and a member of SEIU, Obama's favorite Union contributor, Todd would never be disrespected as the working man he is, as he has been by the Left and their media complex.

Fact 3: Sarah Palin, when Gov of Alaska, went up against the Repub Elites, the big Boys in her Party and the Oil Big Boys, fought them and won the battle for ordinary Alaskans. This is now a matter of record, so whatever Left-Prog twisted site-trash some will inevitably dig up from a corner of their Dark Cave, it won't wash with the truth.

Now a word for the Dolphins and Porpoises. Love you guys, miss swimming with you all. You're a heck of alot better looking and have more brains than what we're seeing and reading on this forum. The Left will continue to 'use' wildlife as a wedge and an emotional issue, when the truth is their failed Prog policies do more damage to humans and wildlife than any other 'entity' this world has to offer. The real Stain on the environment of the US of A is right there in Washington, DC. Doing nothing, not even looking pretty.

May 25, 2010 at 12:34 p.m.

Note to Clay, I'd compliment you on your 'artistry' but you have the faithful sycophant ollie, your new alter ego who never fails to fall all over you and your easel. It appears, you now 'have it all'.

May 25, 2010 at 12:37 p.m.
moonpie said...

Wait just a cotton-pickin' minute, Clay.

Exactly how did that flag get so white?

If it's coated with an oil repellant, lets line the shore with it.

On the other hand... nice sheen on the water. Good touch.

May 25, 2010 at 12:40 p.m.
Shock said...

Canary - I'm in agreement with some of your viewpoints, but I have to tell you, man: you're undermining yourself with the name calling, stereotyping and personal attacks. It's hard read your posts with an open mind (even when I'm in agreement) because you're so darn unlikeable in them. You can't really start out a paragraph with the word "Fact" then follow it with a broad generalization full of smart alec attacks and expect to be taken seriously. If everyone on this forum really has below animal intelligence, why do you continue to read their posts and comment on them? Express your viewpoints, open some minds, let's have the dialogue, but dang, quit being such a grumpy-butt-meanie-head.

That being said, your Katrina point is absolutely fair and alprova, while I feel is right in saying Palin deserves no attention, shouldn't really call her a moron.

May 25, 2010 at 2:14 p.m.
Clara said...

Moonpie,

I, too, was wondering, not only about the flag but Pepi the Porpoise.

I don't think the impact of the cartoon was destroyed, however. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In my earlier post I wondered about the pressure of the ocean water being so great, and yet the oil must have been under even more pressure. It isn't just leaking slowly.

Remember, I'm not a physicist, or engineer. Is it that the oil can be compressed but water can't?

May 25, 2010 at 4:29 p.m.
alprova said...

aces25 wrote: "No doubt Gibbs must be your hero, alprova. Clay produces one of his few non-bias cartoons and somehow the sniping of Palin came up?"


She's the one who took opportunity to politicize the spill and then decided to attack the President without the facts written on her left hand.

May 25, 2010 at 6:04 p.m.
alprova said...

Shock wrote: "That being said, your [Canary's] Katrina point is absolutely fair and alprova, while I feel is right in saying Palin deserves no attention, shouldn't really call her a moron."


I'm sorry, but the woman is indeed a moron. She is a pathological liar. She's playing the Republican base like a fiddle. Hasn't anyone paid any attention to what she says, depending on her particular audience?

Tea Partiers have been given the first clue as to what that woman is all about. She talked a good game when she was on a podium in front of them, but then has went on to support at least three Republican mainstream candidates, throwing Tea-Partiers overboard.

Has she ever given a speech without attacking the President at least once, if not a half dozen times? The woman has not shifted gears since 2008. It's as if she is still running for Vice President. This latest one is just another cheap shot and furthering the proof that this woman is a very poor loser.

If the woman had attained a position of respect and held it long enough to prove herself worthy of such respect, then I would absolutely refrain from being disrespectful when referring to her, but that is not the case. Her entire reputation is built on lie after lie, her inability to speak positively about anyone other than herself or for those who will throw a few bucks at her to do it, and she's laughing at the people of this nation, especially those who pay to sit for an hour to listen to her regurgitated rhetoric. But enough about her.

I defended GWB and his Administration the week of Katrina. The devastation that occurred during that 24 hour period was equivalent to an area the size of the entire State of Georgia. Getting help and supplies to everyone immediately was not possible. All that could be done back then during those first few days was being done too.

If anyone thinks that the Government could or would shove aside BP or any of the other experts who are desperately trying to stop that flow of oil, and also think that the Government is remotely prepared to take on that task, then their elevator is not making it to the top floor.

I read something yesterday that has not quite made the rounds in the press. In fact, I've only seen it in the New York Times so far.

It seems that the leaking well head in question DID IN FACT, have a blowout preventer attached to it. It failed to work. It failed most likely because testing at that depth has never produced a successful deployment of any blowout preventer.

May 25, 2010 at 6:38 p.m.
alprova said...

Canary wrote: "Figures when any photo or drawing is shown of the effect on sea life from mankind's pollutions, some ignore the effect on humans and some blame Bush or Sarah Palin."


No, as usual, you fail to understand simple English. Sarah Palin seems to be under the impression that accepting $77,000 from employees who work for BP is akin to being in bed with big oil.

Her being half of a duo who accepted $2.4 million dollars from big oil is totally beside the point.


"According to those in the know, Obama and WH crew have diddled and piddled and done next to nothing, while BP has been struggling to shut the thing off."


I suppose that you think that the President and others in the White House should have flown to the scene, donned deep sea diving gear, put on some weights, descended to to bottom for a close-up gander of the situation, to then be subjected to 2,400 psi of force, whereupon they would have been immediately reduced to the size of a peanut.

Am I to think that then you would have something nice to say about the President, for getting involved in a very personal manner?

Not on your life.


"Fact 1: we have the fumbling Bumbler, Bob Gibbs stating Palin should shut up because she knows nothing of oil. Obama and Gibbs' crew have proved they know even less."


And of course, you have ready some links to quotes that would give anyone reading them, the impression that the President and Mr. Gibbs have stated that they are experts on the subject. Right?


"Fact 3: Sarah Palin, when Gov of Alaska, went up against the Repub Elites, the big Boys in her Party and the Oil Big Boys, fought them and won the battle for ordinary Alaskans."


Your hypocrisy is now attaining legendary status.

The only accomplishment involved in what went down, was for Mrs. Palin to impose a 2.5% tax on the oil companies who owned leases within the state, from which she cut a $1,200 check in 2008 to the poorer residents of Alaska as a one-time assistance with energy costs, and then began issuing 'dividend' checks as part of the state's 'oil wealth.'

Upping taxes on private enterprise to distribute checks to the voters is now, according to you, "[going] up against the Repub Elites, the big Boys in her Party and the Oil Big Boys..."

If a Democrat had raised taxes on oil companies and distributed the proceeds to every person in a state, why you'd be screaming bloody murder and calling him or her every name under the sun to describe them as Socialist or a Communist.

Thanks for the laugh. You never fail to deliver one when you attempt to present your "facts."

I'm dedicating a special post to your "Fact 2:" presentation.

May 25, 2010 at 7:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Canary wrote: "Fact 2: Obama and Gibbs et al, have never held a REAL job in their lives."


You really don't know what a fact is, do you?

The President taught at the University of Chicago Law School for eight years.

He worked as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland, Illinois, June 1985 to May 1988.

In late 1988, he entered Harvard Law School.

In 1993 he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 13-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he practiced until 2004, the last two years as a counselor.

Robert Gibbs has spent his years since 1991 as political advisor to several high ranking politicians, but make no mistake, he has worked for a living and has been paid well for his expertise and counsel.


"They're the dumbest Pols we've ever had in DC to date. Hardly the ones to hold up as paragons of intellect."


Uh...that's not a fact. That is an opinion.


"In comparison, Todd Palin has held down three jobs AND raised his children by hand, for years."


How exactly do you raise children "by hand?"


"One of his jobs is WORKING on the North Slope in Alaska. If he was a Dem and a member of SEIU, Obama's favorite Union contributor, Todd would never be disrespected as the working man he is, as he has been by the Left and their media complex."


I really haven't seen many criticisms offered about Mr. Palin, other than it seems that like his wife, he quit a fine, steady job, that paid very well, to run around the country to carry his wife's suitcases in and out of hotels, while she makes a complete fool of herself.

Love is so blind, and it makes some people make some very iffy things sometimes.

May 25, 2010 at 8:11 p.m.
reaganwasright said...

The government had no business in bailing out AIG and Wall Street. The government has no business in bailing out BP, either. This is BPs mess. It affects a lot of people, but its BPs mess and they alone should clean it up and pay for all the damages.

May 26, 2010 at 7:29 a.m.

Shock: I tell the truth, if one bumbles and lies, like Gibbs does frequently, then he's a Liar and a Bumbler. If one is and talks the ideology and perverted twistings of a Leftist Progressive, that's what they are. I shorten names all the time, Left-Prog is suitable. In contrast, the vile and foul language and scatalogical, sexual trash-talking coming out of alpie's, eeeek's and libbie's mouths seem to 'evade' you critics. I wouldn't recommend you go back to THEIR archives and read the stuff said against Christians, Conservatives, decent people, etc, but if you do, close your eyes and don't vomit.

Thanks for the 'feedback', I'll place it in my circular file.

May 26, 2010 at 10:28 a.m.

I won't even lower myself to answer the Deceiver/Liar's posts point by point as he's so fond of doing...uh, twisting ours.

Everything I posted can be verified as true according to numerous interviews/video and audio if one is REALLY interested in another viewpoint besides the twisted lyings of the Left.....Progs and their favorite Leaders.

I have stated before that I will post sources when I deem it's the right thing and withhold sources for the same reason. There are those who are just too lazy and too indoctrinated with swamp slime here and all over the Internet, that it's usually a waste of time dealing with the Liars.

I rest my case, Obama and fiends NEVER held a real job in their lives. Assoc. Prof of teaching Marxist principles (see the video of O in the 'classroom') and ACORN organizer, Writer of 'briefs' (lies to get the "poor victims" mortgages they couldn't afford-no doubt). He can sure talk up a storm of subterfuges and dishonest blather, that's for sure.

BTW, geniuses, the Feds in the case of BP-type spills, is SUPPOSED to OVERSEE, ie, REGULATE any such enterprises like the coal mines and the oil rigs. Obviously they have and are falling down on the job. Your stupid, silly examples aren't even comical. Get another gig and do your homework. Patheticos.

May 26, 2010 at 10:45 a.m.
alprova said...

Canary wrote: "I won't even lower myself to answer the Deceiver/Liar's posts point by point as he's so fond of doing...uh, twisting ours."


Translation: I can't back up a thing I write, I have no skills with which to debate a subject, so I'll just call him some names and accuse him of lying every time I address him, and everyone will see that I am a far superior master debater.


"Everything I posted can be verified as true according to numerous interviews/video and audio if one is REALLY interested in another viewpoint besides the twisted lyings of the Left.....Progs and their favorite Leaders."


Translation: Everything I post can be verified as true according to me, If anyone is REALLY interested in another viewpoint. I'm right and he is wrong. I stake my reputation on it.


"I have stated before that I will post sources when I deem it's the right thing and withhold sources for the same reason. There are those who are just too lazy and too indoctrinated with swamp slime here and all over the Internet, that it's usually a waste of time dealing with the Liars."


Translation: I'm gonna post what I want and it's up to everyone else to dig up the proof that I am full of crap.


"I rest my case, Obama and fiends NEVER held a real job in their lives. Assoc. Prof of teaching Marxist principles (see the video of O in the 'classroom') and ACORN organizer, Writer of 'briefs' (lies to get the "poor victims" mortgages they couldn't afford-no doubt). He can sure talk up a storm of subterfuges and dishonest blather, that's for sure."


Translation: I rest my case. My definition of what constitutes a REAL job, while in conflict with that of the rest of the world, is all that matters.


"BTW, geniuses, the Feds in the case of BP-type spills, is SUPPOSED to OVERSEE, ie, REGULATE any such enterprises like the coal mines and the oil rigs. Obviously they have and are falling down on the job. Your stupid, silly examples aren't even comical. Get another gig and do your homework."


Translation: No matter what, the current Administration can do nothing right or anything fast enough to suit me. I have no idea what they are supposed to be doing, but it's all their fault and my expert opinion is all that matters.


"Patheticos."


Translation: The above is repeatedly posted to give you the impression that I am an admitted Gringo who is fluent in Spanish, learning it while I lived among gang-banging Hispanics at one point in my life.

Who cares if the word does not exist in the Spanish language? I saw or heard it somewhere and thought it looked kewl.

May 26, 2010 at 5:25 p.m.
Clara said...

I went to another source to find out the answer to my question about the pressure per lb. on the oil before it spews out. If I ever get an answer, I'll post it.

The CSM had a good diagram of the "Top Kill" but the text was unreadable.

May 26, 2010 at 6:14 p.m.
alprova said...

Clara wrote: "I went to another source to find out the answer to my question about the pressure per lb. on the oil before it spews out. If I ever get an answer, I'll post it.

The CSM had a good diagram of the "Top Kill" but the text was unreadable."


Someone may correct me, because I too searched for a clear answer to that question and came up with nothing solid one way or the other, but from what I have read and have deduced, the approximate psi of the oil flowing out of that broken pipe is somewhere between 600 - 800 psi.

I derived this by taking the average well head pressure of 3,000 psi and reduced it by the force of the surrounding pressure a mile under water deep of between 2200 - 2400 psi.

Without an actual measurement, I'm not sure that anyone really knows what the actual pressure truly may be. The fact that there are estimates all over the place as to how much has leaked and is leaking, gives me reason to think that my guess may as good as anyone else's.

May 26, 2010 at 7:38 p.m.
Clara said...

Thanks Al!

I didn't know even the average, much less the individual pressure.

May 27, 2010 at 10 a.m.
alprova said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxp...!

I know that some people will immediately want to close the video when they see that it is Rachel Maddow, but I assure you, if you will take the time to watch it to the very end, you will be amazed to learn of some disturbing parallels surrounding this spill to one that occurred in 1979, also in the Gulf of Mexico.

May 27, 2010 at 6:38 p.m.
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