published Thursday, September 9th, 2010

Burn a Koran Day

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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actually clay its only three hours 6-9. Because by god church function or not when Bones comes on we're outta there.

September 9, 2010 at 12:39 a.m.
Tax_Payer said...

I've seen countless times where Middle-Easterners has deliberately disrespect our nation by publicly burning our flag and dummies of prominent US political figures. I feel the media is fueling the anger by overexposure of the private event to will take place at that man's church.

September 9, 2010 at 12:46 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Great cartoon, Clay.

Pastor Jones has taken it upon himself to burn the Koran to show all those demonic Muslims whose God is best. Jones heads a congregation of about 50 people. Why does anybody care what he does?

If a holy book is burned in a forest but it doesn't show up on CNN or YouTube, would anyone care?

I support free speech and everyone's right to act like an idiot, but this goes beyond publicity stunt to putting our troops at even greater risk.

Condemnation has rained down from the President to the Pope, from General Petraeus to Hillary Clinton.

I keep waiting for Republicans - the guys who love to talk about how much they support our troops - to denounce both Jones and his pseudo event.

What a shock. Not a peep.

September 9, 2010 at 12:51 a.m.
chattreb said...

I'm assuming that Clay disagrees with the burning of the Koran and I really don't see the advantage in it either. So I guess I agree with him on this one. However, I hope that using the Klan to represent all that is wrong with this country is not going to be a habit in his toons. I guess Clay's coming south has got him worried about the conservatives being overly influenced by the Klan. It's going to get real old for him to compare those he disagrees with as the Klan all the time. Why don't he use the Black Panthers or the Skin Heads as examples. Spread the hate and blame around.

September 9, 2010 at 2:03 a.m.
alprova said...

Spend a few minutes to learn about the Rev. Terry Jones. This man makes The People's Temple founder, Jim Jones (no relation), look like a Saint.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/koran-burner-creepier-you-think

Page one is missing, but take a gander at the remaining five pages of the Dover Church "student rulebook."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/dove-church-rulebook

September 9, 2010 at 2:20 a.m.
hambone said...

Chattreb, Klan, Black Panthers, Skin Heads , are all the same bunch of bigots. Burning the Koran or a cross in the name christianty is a vile and sicking act.

alprova, Does this outfit have their own chain of "Deli's"

September 9, 2010 at 4:58 a.m.
Duford said...

If you think this is gonna get Muslims all hot and bothered, you should consider how angry and resentful they are over Westerners occupying their land.

This guy's publicity stunt has nothing on decades of Western foreign meddling in the Middle East.

September 9, 2010 at 5:12 a.m.
chattreb said...

Hambone: But Clay needs to use the Black Panthers, Skin Heads, radical Muslims, etc., too, or they are going to feel left out. After all, they hate just as much as the Klan does. Let's be a little more inclusive here.

September 9, 2010 at 5:15 a.m.
hambone said...

chattreb, OK, but give him time.

September 9, 2010 at 6:19 a.m.
EaTn said...

All of this is a prime example of how emotions almost always wins over common sense, with the press fueling the fire. What difference does it make in this world if a handful of Christians(?) burn some Korans in Florida or a few Muslims build another Mosque in NY. Most issues like these turn into problems only because we choose to get caught up in the emotional fervor and ignore common sense.

September 9, 2010 at 6:26 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

1 Christian (or 'Christian') plans to burn some Korans; 20 Muslims burned 3000 people to death. Which does Mr Bennett denounce? Might he profit from Jesus's remarks about those who strain a gnat and swallow a camel? Al, Jim Jones ended up killing almost a thousand people. I'll have to get back to your links later, but is David Jones that bad? Would you profit from Jesus's words about those who strain a gnat and swallow a camel? (My website, www.lohr84.com, includes in the section "Look to Jesus" a tract comparing the US and Saudi Arabia, and a tract on why instead of Islam I follow Jesus Christ.)

September 9, 2010 at 6:31 a.m.
woody said...

I've got an idea... How about a "Let's read the Koran Day." Then maybe Pastor Jones and others like him will discover 'we' (those of us who actually do BELIEVE) are all worshiping the same GOD.

That's right, God is Allah and Allah is God. And the only difference between the Holy Bible and the Hole Koran is the way they have been written...but the 'key' messages in both are basically the same.

Having said that should be enough to ignite those who would argue with a rock on any given day, but that is not the reason I took this opportunity to address you today.

My mother always tried to stress to me 'the facts of life'. And they are, and continue to be this...

We are who we are and we will always attain that which we truly strive for, but we will never sink any lower than we allow ourselves to

Me thinks Pastor Jones has lowered his personal bar and has no one but himself to blame for the ultimate consequences. Please don't sink to his level.

Make someone smile today, Woody

September 9, 2010 at 6:56 a.m.
anniebelle said...

You think having 20 muslims hate you is bad -- just wait until all 1.5 Billion (and still growing) come after us because of nitwits like this so-called "preacher". Keep poking that stick at that hornet's nest.

September 9, 2010 at 7:06 a.m.
alprova said...

Duford wrote: "If you think this is gonna get Muslims all hot and bothered, you should consider how angry and resentful they are over Westerners occupying their land.

This guy's publicity stunt has nothing on decades of Western foreign meddling in the Middle East."


Now there's a point where you and I agree 100%.

September 9, 2010 at 7:12 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "1 Christian (or 'Christian') plans to burn some Korans; 20 Muslims burned 3000 people to death."


Don't you get it? 19 men, who were radical Muslims, burned 2,996 people to death. Why must that be an indictment on an entire religion?

Use your brain. Reason the facts in evidence to put things into their proper perspective. In the entire world, there are approximately 10,000 radicals who are bastardizing the religion of Islam to justify their murderous acts. That in no manner means that the entire Muslim population of the world should be held responsible for what the radicals do and have done.

For the umpteenth time, we have 2.5 million people in this country who practice Islam. Outside of a one or two acts of violence that have occurred in this country, who ALWAYS have ties to radicals in the Middle East, almost every one of those 2.5 million people in this country have lived here without incidents of violence, making them peaceful worshipers of an alternative religion to that of Christianity.


"Al, Jim Jones ended up killing almost a thousand people. I'll have to get back to your links later, but is David Jones that bad? Would you profit from Jesus's words about those who strain a gnat and swallow a camel?"


The death toll in Guyana was 909, not to pick nits.

Is Terry Jones that bad? Yeah, I think he is. Members of his 50 member congregation have appeared side-by-side with the Westboro Baptist Church at a few of their protests. Jones has posted videos in support of the Phelps Klan as well.

Are you sure that you want to go on record defending those folks? Google "Dove World Outreach Center" and discover just how radical Christians can be.

You know, the fact that all these little groups of so called "Christian" based groups with radical ideals are popping up all over the place, I'm not sure that Islamic radicals are the only people that should be feared.

It seems to me that we've got a bunch of loonies running around this country to, and they are lily white too.

September 9, 2010 at 7:50 a.m.
hambone said...

AndrewLohr, Trying to read your website is like trying to read the US Tax Code. Is there a Rosetta Stone that will work?

September 9, 2010 at 7:50 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

I didn't see a 'cartoon' concerning the Bible burning when our US Military burned the soldiers' Bibles in 2009...how come?

September 9, 2010 at 7:52 a.m.
harrystatel said...

Terry Jones is no more nutty and a poor representative than Fred Phelps, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart, and the PTL buffoons. Add Ron Littlefield to that bunch too! They all claim to represent Christ! Fortunately, here in the US they have that right.

Every religion has its nut jobs. Remember when Oral Roberts and the loonies and Revivalists of the the 1950s and 60s had kids throwing comic books into piles to be burned?

You had the idiots on the left who burned "Huckleberry Finn".

You have Christian nut jobs today stealing books from public libraries (Harry Potter, Dracula, Frankenstein) because the books are "evil." That's a crime. But people burning their own books is not.

Whether it's the Bible, Constitution, Torahs, or Korans, you can still burn them here in the US, thank God.

Harry Statel http://harrystatel.wordpress.com

September 9, 2010 at 8:09 a.m.
mmlj said...

In response to blackwater's: "I keep waiting for Republicans - the guys who love to talk about how much they support our troops - to denounce both Jones and his pseudo event.

What a shock. Not a peep."

It took a four second google search to find that Pat Robertson, Sarah Palin, and Glenn Beck have all denounced Pastor Jones. I, a Republican, did have my opinion published online, but I too denounce the action.

You can try to pick a Republican-Democrat fight on this one, but it's largely a lost cause. Very few people--even the "evil Republicans" will condone such an action.

This action is hardly representative of the United States. I'm questioning the wisdom of giving this guy greater exposure than he warrants...but I guess we have to shock.

September 9, 2010 at 8:19 a.m.
frankfeeny said...

Burning the Koran is an incitement to violence. It will lead to the murder of Christian missionaries, American aid workers, and our GIs.

September 9, 2010 at 8:27 a.m.
alprova said...

GreenKepi wrote: "I didn't see a 'cartoon' concerning the Bible burning when our US Military burned the soldiers' Bibles in 2009...how come?"


You're misrepresenting the facts as they were.

The Bibles in question were NOT the Bibles of soldiers. They were Bibles sent to ONE unnamed soldier in Afghanistan by his home town church in the U.S. . They were printed in the languages Pashto and Dari, the two most prominent languages in the region.

Military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed in any war zone, particularly in the Middle East.

Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in a devoutly Muslim nation. It could have been perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims to Christianity.

The Bibles were destroyed, rather than returned to the church in question, because it was feared by the military that the church would simply attempt to resend them to some other organization in Afghanistan, in an attempt to circumvent military rules.

September 9, 2010 at 8:31 a.m.
Francis said...

"western foreign meddling in the middle east"......oh, really..

like coming up with the technology to get oil out of the ground and make those nations wealthy?

nobody "meddles" like extremist islamists..

anything pales in comparison to the slaughtering, terrorism, and taking over of countries around the world by muslims since 600 a.d. or so.....

pastor jones is a crackpot and his burning of the koran is an inflamatory and disrespectful thing to do...and he deserves condemnation...but, it's small potatoes compared to what islamic terrorists have done and continue to do to non-believers.

the kkk has nothing over islamic extremists.

September 9, 2010 at 8:46 a.m.
Francis said...

yes..let's not make muslims any angrier than they already are.

and they've been for about 1500 years.

they must have really been angry on 9/11 to kill 2000 people.

the whole world walks an egg shells because of the never ending anger of muslim men.

it takes a whole lot less than burning the koran to make extremist muslims angry....like just being different than they are.

that often results in death.

they can do whatever they want...things much worse than burning the koran...you, know..like beheading someone and video taping it because they're jewish.

September 9, 2010 at 8:57 a.m.
alprova said...

mmlj and frankfeeny, I find myself in total agreement with your points on this matter.

This really isn't a partisan issue, and while it may be true that the aforementioned have voiced opposition to what Terry Jones is proposing to do, I still find that not enough voices have been raised in total opposition against this obvious publicity stunt. Silence can indeed be deafening.

This truly is a difficult situation. Do we allow the Constitutional provision to freedom of speech override any concern for the lives of Americans who may be innocently targeted by the fallout that could occur if this is not stopped?

I would personally volunteer to hold a fire hose to blast that moron 500 feet down rough asphalt, skidding on his hind end all the way, if he so much as flicks a Bic.

EaTN also made a very fine point, in that the media would serve the best interests of our entire nation, if they were to refrain from filming so much as one second of the event. That won't stop Terry Jones & Company from making their own record of the event and posting it around the internet.

I'm praying that this is stopped. This is not what America stands for, or by any measure a good way to make a point, no matter what one's religious preferences may be.

September 9, 2010 at 9:01 a.m.
Francis said...

it's a no-brainer to condem pastor jones.

but until liberals equally condem islam for allowing terrorism, instead of trying to kiss up to them, they'll get no respect from me.

pastor jones deserves all the condemnation he's getting.

given the vengeful nature of some muslims, it's a dangerous thing to do.

having said that, islam deserves all the grief it gets for not reigning in its violent factions.

September 9, 2010 at 9:05 a.m.
whoknows said...

Al said: "I would personally volunteer to hold a fire hose to blast that moron 500 feet down rough asphalt, skidding on his hind end all the way, if he so much as flicks a Bic."

We don't agree on a lot, but I'd gladly be there to help hold that hose with you. This is disgraceful.

Good cartoon, Clay. What this "pastor" is doing is tantamount to the disgrace that the KKK brings us as well.

September 9, 2010 at 9:32 a.m.
memphisexile said...

Islam no more "allows" terrorism than christians "allowed" the Klan to terrorize black folks. There is no ruler of Islam that controls what they all do any more than there is some christian leader who can tell all christians what to do.

Terrorists use religion as one of their weapons in duping poor uneducated people to fight for their causes. Irish nationals did the same thing for years in Norther Ireland all in the name of their personal brand of christianity. To claim Islam is a violent religion is misleading.

We don't need to condemn Islam, we need to condemn those who use it as a tool for violence just as we would condemn any christian for using the bible as a tool for violence.

Also this "Pastor" Jones is clearly a whack job who wants media attention. I would not be surprised if he called the media himself or had a press release. He shouldn't burn the Korans, but if we all ignore him no one will see it. If we ignore him he won't get what he wants more than anythings else. Attention.

September 9, 2010 at 9:33 a.m.
alprova said...

Francis wrote: "but until liberals equally condem islam for allowing terrorism, instead of trying to kiss up to them, they'll get no respect from me."


I don't think anyone is going to lose one minute of sleep if you never find reason to respect so much as one Liberal.

If you are capable of attempting to form just ONE cognitive thought, try to understand that the Muslim population around the globe, is no more responsible for terrorism, than the entire Christian population is responsible for the terrorism in this nation committed by the Ku Klux Klan.

Or are they?

How does any organized religion "allow" terrorism to happen?

Let's use your ignorant logic for a couple of minutes;

Why didn't upstanding Christians in this nation pick up a rifle and hunt down and kill every KKK member for the terroristic acts that they committed in the name of God against both the Jewish and Blacks? Huh? Did Christians "allow" it to go on for decades upon decades?

You bet your hind end they did.

Did the 'real Christians' show up at Klan meetings to protest their deeds and ever attempt to shame them? Did they attempt in any manner to protect Jewish and black communities from unwarranted terrorism?

Is it remotely possible that they sat side-by-side, next to these upstanding "Christian" terrorists each and every Sunday, never saying a word?

You bet your hind end again they did.

SOME so called Christians deserve all the grief they get for not reigning in the violent factions that have defined them, for centuries, but particularly for those violent acts committed in the name of God.

Hypocrites are never in short supply, and on this issue they are exploding like a pot of popcorn.

September 9, 2010 at 9:42 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

I just want to ask Pastor Jones, "what would Jesus do?"

I guarentee you he wouldn't have taken up such a cause if he were still walking the earth today.

Aside from that point, many of you have already expressed my fealings on the situation. Let's hope this guy changes his mind before making such a fool of himself in front of the entire world.

September 9, 2010 at 9:53 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Why do cartoons get more comments than well thought out arguments in the opinion section? Is it because a simple graphic falls within the time investment most people are willing to give? Is it because the visual aspect of a cartoon fires some kind of brain cell that compels one to comment? Does the cartoon leave enough to the imagination that people feel compelled to fill in the blanks?

September 9, 2010 at 9:58 a.m.
moonpie said...

I would personally love it if everyone simply ignored Pastor Jones and just let wallow in obscurity unless he did something criminal.

However, these days I think it's virtually impossible to ignore nut jobs.

In the past, with just newspapers and TV stations, reporters could pick and choose what they covered. A guy like Jones might get coverage then to sell papers etc., but he might not.

These days, Jones doesn't need mainstream media. His information can go viral on YouTube and other sites in a heartbeat.

With increased competition, I think it's harder for media outlets to ignore fringe elements.

Too bad for all of us. I realize there are plenty of whackos out there without reading about Pastor Jones.


Francis, your broad generalization of Muslims is actually rather scary. You speak of condemning Jones, but then you turn around and paint a very diverse group of people with such a broad brush that you wind up painting a similar picture that Jones himself is painting.

When you condemn one action, then follow it with a "but", you are in a small way defending it.

If you said that you condemn Jones "and" condemn religious intolerance and violence from any source... this would not be oppositional.

It reminds me of people who say, "I'm not racist, but..."

September 9, 2010 at 10:07 a.m.
Clara said...

Remember...there are probably as many edited revisions of the Koran as there are the Bible.

My favorite psalm is 139, King James Version, and going through various editions, I find a great deal of the original beauty and truth extinguished.

You can choose the editions to believe that which fits your proclivities and need to preach.

Sigh!

September 9, 2010 at 10:22 a.m.
Francis said...

violence is the face of islam....how have they alowed it? by their various leaders not denouncing it. i don't know how else to explain it. they may be a diverse group, but their violent wing dictates how they're percieved. how is that not clear? history and fact matter.

violence is not the face of the luthern church, the methodist church, the mormon church..etc..

any denial that islam has a violent image by it's own hand is just sophistry and ignorance.

i very much condem jones for what he's doing.....but, that kind of disresepect by extremist mulsims toward anyone who is different than they are goes on all the time. we rise above that most of the time. this man does represent most americans.

i keep emphazing extremist muslims...not all muslims. so stop trying to paint me as some kind of bigot.

September 9, 2010 at 11:34 a.m.
Francis said...

islam's image has been hijacked by extremist muslims.

don't attack me for pointing that out.

most of us will not go out and burn the koran.. and i can't concieve of doing it.

but, that's right, but..for the media to focus on this crackpot is irresponsible in light of the fact that the media, liberaly controlled media, did everything it could to not show the horrific footage of the twin towers buring and people jumping out the window.

you liberals have a double standard and are very quick to slap the racist/bigot card on people like me who point to history and facts.

September 9, 2010 at 11:45 a.m.
mmlj said...

Anniebelle wrote the following: "You think having 20 muslims hate you is bad -- just wait until all 1.5 Billion (and still growing) come after us because of nitwits like this so-called "preacher". Keep poking that stick at that hornet's nest."

100% found this comment useful so far.

It's interesting that there's universal support for this statement, when there has been a steady theme of distinguishing "all Muslims" from "extremist Muslims" on the board today.

Are there 1.5 billion (and growing) extremist Muslims? If they are "coming after us," I suppose they'd be categorized as extremist. I tend to think the extremist is more of a radical fringe, not numbering 1.5 billion.

September 9, 2010 at 12:24 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Francis, the only thing I would like to point out about your post at 11:34 is that the Lutheran, Methodist, and Morman churches are all denominations within the Christian faith. That is akin to the Muslim extremists being members of extremist denominations of the Islam faith. They are not the face of the entire religion, rather they seem that way since we know so much less of their religion than most people in our area take for granted about Christianity.

September 9, 2010 at 12:25 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Clay why did you put the KKK member in this one ?

Sir are you trying to draw the "Good Ole Boys" network on to this story thread.

I love your cartoons Clay but some hidden KKK member here might try to recruit some more members into the fold like the ones they already have here on the * Chattanooga Times Free Press *.

The one in question appear to be Rolando & his side kick Blackwater48.

This can also give some moron's a bad idea and plant a ugly seed of hate against the Islamic religion in general. In turn this may cause some ultra violent protest against any person holding a koran in the state of TN.

Now would we wont that Clay....?

September 9, 2010 at 12:50 p.m.
FM_33 said...

I hate to say this but the way you put this one together it is on a very Hate Islam's Holy Book tip.

The bigger Islamic community here in the Chattanooga area might not like it once they get word of it Clay and they may call in to get it pulled.

Clay this is true cutting edge stuff you're doing but be careful because that religion does not being judged by nobody.

Oops..... now that i think about it ....duh almost forgot why you did this one !...........

......*sighs wipes my for head and looks around to see if anybody noticed my goof up *

September 9, 2010 at 1:03 p.m.
EaTn said...

Burning Korans at a church is about on the same intelligent level as handling rattlesnakes.

September 9, 2010 at 1:17 p.m.
anniebelle said...

mmlj, yes and we would like to keep it that way. No, there are not 1.5 million Muslim extremists, but to just keep up this hate against the entire religion is just egging on a horrific outcome. Just like we would like to keep extreme-any-religion becoming the norm.

September 9, 2010 at 1:31 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Actually, that's 1.5 BILLION (and growing). mmlj is a good recruiter for Al Qaeda.

September 9, 2010 at 1:34 p.m.
mmlj said...

I'm a good recruiter for Al-Qaeda? You lost me, anniebelle.

September 9, 2010 at 2:29 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

INTERPOL issues global alert for increased terror threat if Koran burning in US goes ahead as planned

LYON, France – INTERPOL has today issued a global alert to its 188 member countries following the request of Pakistan’s Minister of the Interior, and its own determination, that if the proposed Koran burning by a pastor in the US goes ahead as planned, there is a strong likelihood that violent attacks on innocent people would follow.

Minister Rehman Malik personally contacted INTERPOL Secretary General Ronald K. Noble to engage the world police body’s assistance in warning law enforcement of the increased terrorist threat if plans reported by the media to burn the holy book were carried out on Saturday’s anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

“One of INTERPOL’s primary functions is to prevent crime, and given that we have been made aware of a significant threat to public safety – an assessment which we share – it is our duty to ensure that we pass this information on to law enforcement agencies around the globe so that they can take appropriate measures,” said INTERPOL Secretary General Ronald K. Noble.

“Although there are currently no specific details as to what forms of terror attacks would follow, what is clear is if the Koran burning goes ahead as planned, there will be tragic consequences, ones which may well claim the lives of many innocent people,” added Mr Noble.

INTERPOL has circulated Pakistan’s warning and its own alert to all National Central Bureaus around the world, and also has requested that any country receiving information about a potential threat to public safety contact INTERPOL’s General Secretariat headquarters immediately.

“September 11 is a day when the world should come together to redouble our efforts to prevent and fight terrorism, not a day when any individual, especially an American, should engage in provocative acts that will give terrorists propaganda intended to convert September 11 from a day of remembrance, to one of recruitment for terrorists and others inspired to attack the US and other western targets,” stressed Secretary General Noble.

“Pakistan’s actions in contacting INTERPOL to ensure that potentially vital information in helping police identify and prevent any form of terror attack is circulated worldwide are to be commended, and the reaction of INTERPOL and others around the world in response to this planned hateful act should be seen by the Muslim community as strong evidence that this man and his small congregation stand alone,” concluded Secretary General Noble.

In addition to circulating any related information to NCBs, staff at INTERPOL’s 24-hour Command and Co-ordination Centre at the General Secretariat Headquarters will be placed on alert and be asked to treat with urgency any information related to potential criminal conduct linked to the burning of the Koran.

http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2010/PR069.asp

September 9, 2010 at 3:03 p.m.
moonpie said...

Francis you say violence is the face of Islam.

The fact that you'd say such a thing indicates that's the only side of Islam you wish to see.

September 9, 2010 at 3:30 p.m.
Francis said...

wrong, moonpie...how you get that from what i wrote is beyond me.

i said, islam has been hijacked by extremists/terrorists..

that's a stupid-ass interpretation of what i wrote...

i repeatedly wrote extremist muslims are the problem...

how many times can i write it......where do you get that's all i "wish to see"

my point is that the extremists have pushed peaceful muslims to the background. they're scared to upset their extremist members...i'm perfectly aware that all 1.5 billion muslims are not all terrorists.

i know that everyday millions of muslims pray, go the the mosques, work and do just go about their daily lives. i'm aware. i'm aware of all the millions of muslims in this country who don't subscribe to violence.

but the fact is the violent element of islam, not only terrorizes non-believers, but the more peaceful elements of islam as well; and thus gives islam a bad name.

someone in a leadership position, or a few, stand up and denounce the violence.

the problem is they won't.

it's not all i wish to see...you assume a great deal.

yet, another attempt to portray me as bigot.

it's not going to work.

September 9, 2010 at 3:51 p.m.
rolando said...

Posted from CNN without comment [none needed]:

"Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan" http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/

September 9, 2010 at 3:53 p.m.
rolando said...

"Burning Korans at a church is about on the same intelligent level as handling rattlesnakes."

Or denying Christ.

September 9, 2010 at 4:03 p.m.
rolando said...

"INTERPOL issues global alert for increased terror threat if Koran burning in US goes ahead as planned."

Is that in addition to all the other terrorist attacks currently happening or threatened to happen, Inspector, or is it included in InterPol's outburst? They shout "Wolf!" so often it is hard to keep up [not that I care...]. They compete with the UN on number of shouts.

September 9, 2010 at 4:07 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

Good luck taming would-be jihadists or glossy-eyed enthusiasts like Jones. This kind of thinking is viral.

O tempora o mores -- What's country-boy to do, with so many crazies in the world?

Move deeper into the hills, I suppose.

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Free Exercise of Religion? No, Thanks. The taming and domestication of religious faith is one of the unceasing chores of civilization. Christopher Hitchens Posted Monday, Sept. 6, 2010 http://www.slate.com/id/2266154/

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Iranian Reactions To Koran Burning Plan September 09, 2010 Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty

http://www.rferl.org/content/Iranian_Reactions_To_Koran_Burning/2153189.html

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Qur'an burning: Terry Jones set up German base in quest to 'awaken' Europe

* Kate Connolly in Berlin
* guardian.co.uk, Thursday 9 September 2010 19.45 BST

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/09/quran-burning-terry-jones-sect-germany

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September 9, 2010 at 4:23 p.m.
moonpie said...

Francis, you don't need my help to look like a bigot.

Your qualifiers accomplish that on their own.

"violence is the face of Islam"

I think that's unfairly prejudiced.

I invited you to be inclusive with "and".

The difference between "and" and "but" is the way bigots frequently expose themselves. I don't know if you are a bigot. Clearly you don't want to be seen that way. So that's a start.

I'll take your word on it.

And, I agree that extremist Muslims are a big problem.

September 9, 2010 at 4:23 p.m.
rolando said...

One last [for now]... Seen the news that the Koran-burners' website has been removed? Further, no news agency will carry anything involving the church. [See Drudge]

"GAINESVILLE, Florida — The small Florida church that has sparked global outrage with its plan to hold a Koran-burning event had its website pulled from the Internet on Thursday by its host.

"Dan Goodgame, a spokesman for the San Antonio, Texas-based web hosting firm Rackspace, told AFP the evangelical Dove World Outreach Center church had, "violated the Offensive Content section of its Acceptable Use policy.""

With that news and according to the Milquetoast defeatist posters above, we are already beaten in this war.

They say in effect, we may as well adopt sharia law and start bowing to Mecca five times a day.

I call BS.

As for the frappin' "peace-loving" Muslims [a contradiction in terms], if they love peace so much why aren't they standing up, shouting, demonstrating AGAINST the fanatics?

Why? I figure for one of two reasons -- either 1) they are filling their pants in fear of the bearded brown-eyes, or 2) they secretly cheer them on.

September 9, 2010 at 4:25 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

Yes, Rolando, I am interested in this ALERT because of INTERPOL's rhetoric, because of INTERPOL's attempt to influence US Government actions and internal affairs.

Whether issued by INTERPOL or by the US Department of Homeland Security, "Alert Levels" are primarily manipulative rhetorical devices designed and used to create a sense of elevated crisis -- a sense of impending danger that will allow individual freedoms to be infringed.

That is the paradox of Jones's actions. By claiming to exercise his constitutional rights, he quite possibly may create the situation that will compromise those rights.

Tis a weird, weird world.

September 9, 2010 at 4:33 p.m.
rolando said...

This from INTERPOLs "About Interpol" page [http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/default.asp]:

"INTERPOL aims to facilitate international police co-operation even where diplomatic relations do not exist between particular countries. Action is taken within the limits of existing laws in different countries and in the spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."

And they already have unlimited access to the US per E.O. without any controls, oversight, reporting, etc. They come and go as they please and are apparently immune under US law.

September 9, 2010 at 4:51 p.m.
rolando said...

Rev Jones has decided to cancel the Koran burning on Saturday.

Once again, the US kneels before the Islamic Imams and begs their forbearance...

So who is to be buried [alive] beneath the first cornerstone laid for the mosque? [Naw, it won't be me.]

September 9, 2010 at 6:05 p.m.
Duford said...

What do you think would incite more anger in you, and cause you to consider "radicalism":

  • Chinese military occupying our land, while operating numerous bases on our soil, insulting our own ability to mind our own affairs, or:
  • A small group of Chinese nuts that are burning a Bible to protest Christians?
September 9, 2010 at 7:12 p.m.
Francis said...

i'll say it again..violence is the face of islam...as long as it leaders do not openly condem it, then the message is that it's ok. that's the image they want to perptuate. the majority of muslims, are being held hostage and remain mute out of fear.

islam has a bad public image...and it's the fault of its leaders...... if you think that's bigotry...amuse yourself with that........i'm stating the obvious.

not once did i condem the majority of muslims or their faith... that's a sign that i'm not a bigot.

i don't care how bigots reveal themselves..that's my concern.

September 9, 2010 at 7:19 p.m.
whatever said...

Well, I think the reasons given for canceling it are a bit bogus, with the pastor involved coming up with some unsupported reasoning.

Me, I'd have much rather he realized Jesus would have turned the other cheek.

And if you want some Muslim leaders who have condemned violence you can find them, there's plenty of web pages with examples. Or you can go ask at the nearest Mosque what they think.

September 9, 2010 at 8:24 p.m.
hambone said...

Francis, "I'm not a bigot" I've seen the way you talk about others not just muslims Francis.

September 9, 2010 at 8:33 p.m.
Francis said...

hambone..what you liberals call hate speech, bigotry and mean spiritedness is simply someone engaging in a debate and presenting facts and history.

it doesn't matter what i say...not once did i condem or ridicule the majority of good muslims or the faith itself...my focus has always been on the muslim extremists who have commandered that faith and taken it upon themselves to be its spokesman....and make them the face of the religion..

sorry, that's based on facts, history, logic and common sense.

all four which you liberals seem to be lacking in your philosophy and arguments.

oh.....

you must be referring to my comments about obama..in which i called him a lazy, dumb, thin-skinned, shiftless, egomaniacal, hedonistic, envious, mean, bully, thug....which by the polls..almost all of them..and the expected outcome of the mid-term elections, most people in this country agree with me. those observations of obama are not bigotry, they're based on his nearly two years in the white house. in addition he's a pathetic academician with no practical life experience who thinks he knows every- thing. he's so stupid that he thinks a small businessman who grosses $250 thousand a year is rich? when in reality the small businessman's actual income may only be $50 thousand or so. he doesn't know what overhead is, gross or net. should i go on? he's also a pompous jackass who has no problem tossing people in jail for not purchasing a commodity. he has no respect for the average, common working american. he favors criminals, illegal aliens and terrorist over citizens. he puts down his own country in front of our enemies and critics. he's a coward and a fraud. his only real skill is reading from a teleprompter.....

ahhhh...felt so good to say it..

and of course, since he's black, or half black, you'll now label me a bigot. well, a jackass, is a jackass, is jackass...doesn't matter if it's brown, or gray or any other hue...same thing..

is all that to tough for you to read? well, if you think so, just wait until nov. when all the people that agree with me send him a message.

September 9, 2010 at 9:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

I took a look at the good Rev Jones web site before his ISP decided they did not need to do business with him anymore.

Funny thing -- his website was all about a book he is trying to sell on evils of Islam. Kudos for Imam Musri trying to reach out to this crazy guy.

Funny how many people are critical that Muslims have not been able to rein in the crazy extremists who claim to be representing their faith. Turns out that might be a bit harder than it looks, eh?

Blessed are the peacemakers, as some guy once said.

September 9, 2010 at 9:25 p.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

He has decided not to go forward with the burning, if the mosque is not built near ground zero.

I was under the impression that god told him to do it.

Welcome to the world (logic) or right wing extremist.

September 9, 2010 at 10:31 p.m.
hambone said...

Francis, I fell sorry for anyone that has to be around you. The hate you show for everything that doesn't go your way and everyone that doesn't agree with you to the letter can't be healthy for your mental state. You must be a very unhappy person.

ps: don't bother to respond to this, I already know what you will rant about.

September 9, 2010 at 10:42 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

hambone--I hope what my website says is user-friendly (in its way); sorry its structure may not be. Thanks for looking. (As you may have seen, page titles are on the left; click on a title to reach that page. Most pages have a table of the page's contents at the top, and a reader must scroll down the page to find and reach what's on it. "Excuses are boring..."-- www.lohr84.com ; I haven't put time and/or money into website skills.)

September 10, 2010 at 12:52 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

woody, Islam and Christianity both say God is the Creator, but Islam says Allah is simply one, all alone (until He creates something), whereas Christianity says Jehovah is triune: Father and Son and Holy Ghost, one eternal God, always active in love within Himself. That's a big difference, and everyone has to decide which (or what else) is right. There's no way to avoid placing an all-or-?? bet in Pascal's casino; everyone has some point of view.

Al, thanks for the links to pastor Jones's student handbook. I won't enroll. But I don't see any evidence he's sending his students out to murder people. He doesn't look good, and we don't know how he'll end up; but Jim Jones ended up worse than pastor Jones is now. David Jones--gnat; Jim Jones--camel; Osama bin Laden--camel.

Christopher Hitchins wants to clean up religion? In the name of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot? Gimme a break. Separation of atheism and state would be a good idea. (Atheism is the theory that it's OK to eat atheists.)

September 10, 2010 at 1:11 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

New face and new costume--good work, Clay.

Most Muslims don't make headlines, but have Muslim leaders denounced Islamic violence and repression with anything like the vigor and unanimity with which Christians of various stripes (and the Mormom Glen Beck) have denounced David Jones's plan? When you look at various countries, where do you find democracy and freedom and productivity: in Christendom or in Islam, by and large? If you put Mohammed's remarks in chronological order, did he get nicer or nastier as he got older? (Compare with Jesus's "Father, forgive them..." when Jesus was being crucified.)

September 10, 2010 at 1:18 a.m.
whatever said...

Please don't insult the camels.

September 10, 2010 at 2:02 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

" (Atheism is the theory that it's OK to eat atheists.)"

I'll pass-fellow atheists only give me indigestion. Love Buddhists, though...

September 10, 2010 at 7:14 a.m.
InspectorBucket said...

We might revise the headlines below to read:

"Man in Florida Behaves Irrationally and Irresponsibly; People in Afghanistan respond by Behaving Irrationally and Irresponsibly"

Is good citizenship and rational behavior too much to expect?

I will follow Jefferson. If a Creator did give a gift to Humankind, he gave nothing greater than Free Will and Free Thought.

To abdicate either of those gifts in the name of Religious Creed or Political Party is, to use the language of religionists, an Abomination and a Blasphemy.

The world is, much as it has been. . . .

**

Muslims protest against US church plans to burn the Qur'an

Muslims around the world called for Barack Obama's death at protests to denounce a US church's plans to burn the Islamic holy book on the anniversary of 9/11

guardian.co.uk, Friday 10 September 2010

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/sep/08/quran-burning-protests

**

Qur'an burning: Protester 'shot dead' as Nato troops open fire on demonstrators

Man reported to have been killed in Faizabad, northern Afghanistan, after crowds attack Nato base in protest at Florida pastor's plans

Owen Bowcott, Ewen MacAskill and Richard Adams in Washington guardian.co.uk, Friday 10 September 2010

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/10/quran-burning-nato-troops-shoot

September 10, 2010 at 9:25 a.m.
Clara said...

Hey!

I wonder what the Spaghetti Monster thinks about all this.

September 10, 2010 at 9:38 a.m.
InspectorBucket said...

Quoted from the following picture in the Guardian series:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/sep/08/quran-burning-protests#/?picture=366522397&index=4

My appreciation to Terry Jones of Florida and the Islamicists of Indonesia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, &c.

Keep up the good work reaching out at each other with Doves of Peace, Dreams of Kingdoms and Caliphates, Fire, Light, and Truth.

Banquo: It will be Rayne to Night.
1st. Murd.: Let it come downe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/sep/08/quran-burning-protests#/?picture=366522405&index=7

September 10, 2010 at 9:50 a.m.
mmlj said...

Anniebelle, help me out. Yesterday, you told me I was a good recruiter for Al-Qaeda. Before I go into therapy, please explain this to me. I denounced the pastor's actions and suggested that there would not be 1.5 billion Muslims coming after us (as you suggested) because I don't feel that all Muslims are extremists. Just explain to me how this recruits for Al-Qaeda.

September 10, 2010 at 10:10 a.m.
FM_33 said...

Don't burn books read and learn from them.

September 10, 2010 at 12:13 p.m.
FM_33 said...

INTERPOL aims to facilitate international police co-operation even where diplomatic relations do not exist between particular countries. Action is taken within the limits of existing laws in different countries and in the spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."

And they already have unlimited access to the US per E.O. without any controls, oversight, reporting, etc. They come and go as they please and are apparently immune under US law. Username: rolando | On: September 9, 2010 at 4:51 p.m.


Rolando you should know by now that INTERPOL is the international death squad that takes care of business when other's can't and is a back up to the CIA.

September 10, 2010 at 12:16 p.m.
FM_33 said...

I keep waiting for Republicans - the guys who love to talk about how much they support our troops - to denounce both Jones and his pseudo event.

What a shock. Not a peep. Username: blackwater48 | On: September 9, 2010 at 12:51 a.m.


Mr.Blackwater48 that was a damn good post !

September 10, 2010 at 12:18 p.m.
FM_33 said...

We don't need to condemn Islam, we need to condemn those who use it as a tool for violence just as we would condemn any christian for using the bible as a tool for violence. Username: memphisexile | On: September 9, 2010 at 9:33 a.m.


Point well taken and that goes for any religion that calms that they have a right by God to do such acts to people who wish peace in the world.

September 10, 2010 at 12:21 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Whether it's the Bible, Constitution, Torahs, or Korans, you can still burn them here in the US, thank God.

Harry Statel http://harrystatel.wordpress.com Username: harrystatel | On: September 9, 2010 at 8:09 a.m.


1.Harry what type of person does this in the 1st place ?

2.What is there over all motive for such acts of moronnism ?

September 10, 2010 at 12:24 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Rolando Rev.Jones is but one of many people in this country who feels that man should not let a so called "Silly Book" dictate how they should feel / think / or live.

America is the great melting pot of what ever may tickle your fancy and * that's is the way it is *.

  • Run-DMC Said *
September 10, 2010 at 12:28 p.m.
FM_33 said...

I do declare here on the "Chattanooga Times Free Press" that the poster Blackwater48 is the king of intelligence !

September 10, 2010 at 12:32 p.m.
chattreb said...

InspectorBucket: Okay, so he's a scalawag. My mistake.

September 10, 2010 at 12:51 p.m.
chattreb said...

FM_33: So you and Blackwater48 both work for the Times Free Press, right?

September 10, 2010 at 12:53 p.m.
FM_33 said...
  1. I do declare that the posters of the "Chattanooga Times Free Press" miss the hell out of poster Dewey60 !

  2. I do declare that Clay Bennett is the smartest cartoonist in the United States of America !

  3. I do declare that The poster Rolando is a fine business man and a profound leader in the community in his own right !

  4. I do declare that the United States of America will reelect Barrack H. Obama in the 2012 election against GOP front runner Sarah Palin !

  5. I do declare that the CNN & FOX newsnetwork are psychological warfare weapons of the United States government.

  6. I do declare that HARRP waves can control weather patterns in combat operations against any enemy that the Untied States has a conflict with !

  7. I do declare that the McDonalds double cheeseburger is no match for the Burger King double cheeseburger !

  8. I do declare "Chattanooga Times Free Press" editor writer Yolanda Putman is a sexy black queen !

  9. I do declare that the poster Hambone likes to eat a seranno ham sandwhich for lunch everyday !

  10. I do declare the UTC has some fine ass white women with some sexy body's.

  11. I do declare that Sammy Davis Jr. was a member at one time of Anton LaVey's * Church of Satan * !

  12. I do declare that LA Laker player * Kobe Bryant * was mad dogging that woman he sex with back in the early 2000's

  13. I do declare that this topic is over !

September 10, 2010 at 12:55 p.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "Most Muslims don't make headlines, but have Muslim leaders denounced Islamic violence and repression with anything like the vigor and unanimity with which Christians of various stripes (and the Mormom Glen Beck) have denounced David Jones's plan?"


You answered your own question with your question.

Most Muslims don't make headlines. They don't seek the limelight, nor is the media seeking to shove a camera in their face.

The fact is that the web is filled with individuals and groups of Muslims, both here and abroad, who have CLEARLY and CONCISELY denounced violent factions, and they have gone to great lengths to detach themselves from those violent groups. But those who desire to remain ignorant will not take the time to discover this for themselves.

And Andrew, the man in question's name is TERRY JONES, not David.


"When you look at various countries, where do you find democracy and freedom and productivity: in Christendom or in Islam, by and large?"


I've got news for you: If the religious right were to ever come close to taking control of THIS country, this country would erupt into a second civil war.

There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Christians are protectors of democracy and freedom. The only thing productive that has come out of Christianity, is to continue to prove that religion is indeed more divisive and destructive than race will ever be.

The evidence of THAT, are the 38,000 Christian denominations that are in existence. Every time two people disagree with an interpretation of a passage in the Bible, another Christian church is born.

September 10, 2010 at 12:58 p.m.
FM_33 said...

FM_33: So you and Blackwater48 both work for the Times Free Press, right? Username: chattreb | On: September 10, 2010 at 12:53 p.m.


Yes ......so to speak.

September 10, 2010 at 1:01 p.m.
FM_33 said...
  1. I do declare that the posters of the "Chattanooga Times Free Press" miss the hell out of poster Dewey60 !

  2. I do declare that Clay Bennett is the smartest cartoonist in the United States of America !

  3. I do declare that The poster Rolando is a fine business man and a profound leader in the community in his own right !

  4. I do declare that the United States of America will reelect Barrack H. Obama in the 2012 election against GOP front runner Sarah Palin !

  5. I do declare that the CNN & FOX news network are psychological warfare weapons of the United States government.

  6. I do declare that HARRP waves can control weather patterns in combat operations against any enemy that the Untied States has a conflict with !

  7. I do declare that the McDonalds double cheeseburger is no match for the Burger King double cheeseburger !

  8. I do declare "Chattanooga Times Free Press" editor writer Yolanda Putman is a sexy black queen !

  9. I do declare that the poster Hambone likes to eat a seranno ham sandwhich for lunch everyday !

  10. I do declare that UTC has some fine ass white women with some sexy body's.

  11. I do declare that Sammy Davis Jr. was a member at one time of Anton LaVey's * Church of Satan * !

  12. I do declare that LA Laker player * Kobe Bryant * was mad dogging that woman he had sex with back in the early 2000's

  13. I do declare that this topic is over !

  14. correction from early post * FM_33

September 10, 2010 at 1:07 p.m.
Clara said...

If we took a poll, FM I'm sure Dewey would be way down and out.

We have until 12:00 am to add all the inane comments on the PRESENT CARTOON that we wish.

I'm very happy they took "Pastor?" Jones website down.

September 10, 2010 at 1:08 p.m.
FM_33 said...

I'm very happy they took "Pastor?" Jones website down. Username: Clara | On: September 10, 2010 at 1:08 p.m.


Me too.

September 10, 2010 at 1:17 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Clara Islam has 5 pillars for one to follow and here they are for you to digg on.

  1. Praying to Allah until you have no more knee caps to even pray with.

  2. Abstain from eating pork ! only the cured pork product is the product that a Muslim might let you slide on.

  3. Marry as many women as you can and have sex with all of them every night. that's if you're a man of course

  4. Read the "Holy Koran" so much that you start seeing the words run off the pages.

  5. Killing anything in sight on Allah's command.

And that Ms. Clara is the 5 pillars of Islam as said to you by the jester FM_33.

September 10, 2010 at 1:29 p.m.
hambone said...

Fm 33, You are so right, I do like ham sandwiches. However with my old age blood sugar problems, turkey has taken over.

Clay, Time for a new one, the stench done by the barnyard has been blowing up here to the house!!

September 10, 2010 at 2:48 p.m.
anniebelle said...

mmlj, maybe I misread your response to my post that stated we had 19 extremists from the Muslim faith and do we really want to radicalize 1.5 Billion by our constant Islamophobia. I certainly wasn't implying there were more than the 19 radicals who attacked us, but Bin Laden can't find better recruitment than for American citizens to condemn all of Islam -- he gets so many new recruits from this hateful anti-Islam rhetoric.

September 10, 2010 at 3:56 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

Fla. pastor, imam at odds over Quran-burning deal http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/sep/09/burn-koran-day/?opinioncartoons

**

This is not so much Lex talionis as "crazy action" for "crazy action."

A timely reminder of contrasting values.

Unlike the theocratic world envisioned by Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, we Americans choose to live in a country in which the Constitution of the United States of America supersedes the strident vagaries of Creeds and Holy Books.

Of course, the Constitution also allows for Pastor Jones to speak and behave irrationally.

As Franklin and Jefferson knew, Liberty is a precious and difficult ideal. Most will lose faith in it at some point, preferring the demagoguery of Priest, Pastor, or Dictator.

Call in the kids, Ma. The crazies are about to start inflicting "God's lesson" upon each other. And there are no passing grades in this school system.

September 10, 2010 at 4:50 p.m.
InspectorBucket said...

The necessary link:

Fla. pastor, imam at odds over Quran-burning deal Sep 10, 7:15 AM (ET) By ANTONIO GONZALEZ http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100910/D9I515880.html

September 10, 2010 at 5:02 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Don't burn books read and learn from them. Username: FM_33 | On: September 10, 2010 at 12:13 p.m. Did you find this comment to be useful? Yes | No 0 of 1 people found this comment useful. Suggest removal


Who ever thumb that comment down has got to be a moron with no life what so ever.

How in the hell was that comment offensive ?

I was talking about any book in general and you can see that by the post.

September 10, 2010 at 5:20 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Fm 33, You are so right, I do like ham sandwiches. However with my old age blood sugar problems, turkey has taken over.

Clay, Time for a new one, the stench done by the barnyard has been blowing up here to the house!! Username: hambone | On: September 10, 2010 at 2:48 p.m.


Thank you for your response Hammy @

September 10, 2010 at 5:21 p.m.
FM_33 said...

As Franklin and Jefferson knew, Liberty is a precious and difficult ideal. Most will lose faith in it at some point, preferring the demagoguery of Priest, Pastor, or Dictator.

Call in the kids, Ma. The crazies are about to start inflicting "God's lesson" upon each other. And there are no passing grades in this school system. Username: InspectorBucket | On: September 10, 2010 at 4:50 p.m.


Inspector Franklin and Jefferson where both Mason's so the liberty that they spoke of was far different then what you're thinking.

September 10, 2010 at 5:24 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Dewey60 we need a song pal where you at ?

September 10, 2010 at 5:40 p.m.
FM_33 said...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/35294564...

That is the correct link InspectorBucket.

September 10, 2010 at 5:42 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Fla. pastor, imam at odds over Quran-burning deal http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/125412311...

That is the correct link InspectorBucket.

September 10, 2010 at 5:45 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Owen Bowcott, Ewen MacAskill and Richard Adams in Washington guardian.co.uk, Friday 10 September 2010

http://www.guardian.org.uk/world/2010/sep...

That is the main link before the other story came out inspectorbucket.

September 10, 2010 at 5:47 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Fla. pastor, imam at odds over Quran-burning deal http://www.timesfreepress.cc/news/2010/...

InspectorBucket here's another link that you missed pal.

September 10, 2010 at 5:49 p.m.
moonpie said...

IB,

Love your posts.

Indeed crazy people seem intent on topping each other.

Jones is a tool, but I have to wonder if he is using this as a tool. His church has 50 members. I bet his ranks swell from this stand.

He's looking not to be a maggot, but a magnet. I think he will succeed.

September 10, 2010 at 10:22 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

Last time I checked, we still had the FIRST AMENDMENT in the United States. I'll quote it here for you guys:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

In 1989, the Supreme Court ruled that it was not illegal to burn an American flag so the assumption is that books would be fair game.

I am no hatemonger but I support anyone's First Amendment rights and if that includes burning a book that the person finds offensive, then so be it. Would burning the Koran change the way the Muslims think of Americans? No, it will give them an EXCUSE to act the way that they do. Do you remember that just over a month ago, 10 missionaries (including a Knoxville woman) in Afghanistan were killed for allegedly teaching Christianity? OMG, did somebody burn a Koran on that day? http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=12943115

I used to live in a country where I could say what I was thinking. Not any longer. Today, I listened as the President condemned Jones's action but said that the Muslims should be able to practice their religious beliefs wherever they please.

I'm for practicing my First Amendment rights however I please. It's not up to some other country to keep me from doing so. Maybe I'll burn something tomorrow...maybe a copy of that health care bill.

September 10, 2010 at 10:55 p.m.
whatever said...

Hmm, I wonder where some of these other posts are going.

I'm not seeing them. But there's a difference between a law and saying something is inappropriate. Which is the same mantra the Republican Party has been repeating since they started opposing the Mosque.

Apparently it's not ok when you're opposing burning a book in an act of spite, but it is ok to use it to defend your opposition to a mosque that is grounded in bigotry.

But where did those other posts go?

September 12, 2010 at 1:47 a.m.

Got your “Religion of Peace” right here: Decapitation Central

Bryan Fischer

Imam Feiz Muhammad operates freely in Christian Australia as a leading Islamic cleric, and preaches the “Religion of Peace” on a weekly basis to followers of the “Religion of Peace” and its prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

The latest topic for this devotee of the “Religion of Peace” is Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders, whose offense in the imam’s eyes is telling the truth about Islam. Remember now that in our Alice-in-Wonderland world, where everything has been turned upside down, truth is now hate speech.

And so it has become for Mr. Wilders, who had the effrontery to produce a 15-minute documentary, “Fitna,” which consists entirely of verses from the Koran calling for violence against the infidels interspersed with video footage of, well, of Muslims committing violence against the infidels.

For his troubles, Wilders is on trial in the Netherlands and may wind up in prison even though his stance on Islamic immigration is so popular now he’d likely win an election for prime minister if one were held today. He’s on trial for insulting Muslims, discrimination against Muslims, and incitement to hatred. In other words, sharia law is now in effect in the land of the Dutch.

In other words, Wilders is on trial for blasphemy in a Christian country. Not blasphemy against the God of the Bible or the Savior of the world, mind you, but against the pedophiliac prophet of Islam.

Incidentally, Wilders is under 24-hour security protection from Dutch authorities to protect his very life from, well, from Muslims who want to obey their god by committing violence against this infidel.

Meanwhile, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins can insult, ridicule, and belittle the Bible and Christians as much as they like, and travel and speak anywhere they’d like in the Christian world, since Christians respond to criticism with reason and debate while Muslims respond with bullets and bombs.

Apparently, brain-addled Dutch authorities want to keep Wilders alive long enough to experience the perverse satisfaction of putting him leg irons themselves. Don’t want some devout Muslim spoiling their fun by going jihad on him in the meantime.

So Wilders is in danger from Muslims, who want to kill him, and from his own government, which wants to throw him in prison.

September 12, 2010 at 4:35 p.m.

Let’s hear from the Australian imam who knows just what Muslims ought to do with Mr. Wilders. The instructions from the kind-hearted and moderate Imam Muhammad are not just to kill him but to cut off his head.

Here is a transcript of an excerpt from a just-released sermon from this representative of the “Religion of Peace” (listen to it yourself here).

After referring to Wilders as “this Satan, this devil,” the imam elaborates (emphasis mine)::

“In Islam, anyone that mocks Islam, anyone that laughs about Islam, degrades Islam, the punishment, whether he is a Muslim or a non-Muslim, of mocking Islam is death. If there was an Islamic leader and someone mocks Islam, and makes fun about Islam, the leader of Islam will say, okay, bring him forward. It's been justified that he did this, it's been confirmed. Behead him! Chop his head off!

“And so you will see people like that, that dirty filthy politician, whether in Holland or anywhere else in the world, continually trying to mock Islam, laugh at Islam, degrade Islam and degrade the greatest man that walked this earth."

Here is a fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity: when people ridicule Christianity, Christians debate them and pray for them. When people ridicule Islam, Muslims take their heads off.

Anybody see the difference here? Anybody see the gross incompatibility between Islam and Christian civilization? Anybody see the profound threat that Islam represents to our values and our way of life? Anybody else think that letting them build mosques willy-nilly all over the fruited plain is not such a terrific idea?

September 12, 2010 at 4:36 p.m.

Bryan Fischer

Pastor Terry Jones intends to burn a whole batch of Qur’ans on Saturday, and has created a worldwide uproar in the process. I’ve got a proposed solution that is absolutely fair and equitable.

Back in 2009, Bibles printed in native dialects were shipped to American servicemen stationed in Afghanistan, intended for free distribution to interested Afghanis.

When out-of-the-mainstream media outlets caught wind of the plan and raised a fuss, military brass, in order not to offend the delicate sensitivities of Muslims, confiscated all the Holy Bibles and incinerated them. Yes, the government of a Christian nation burned Bibles to a crisp. They weren’t even returned to the U.S. so they might be distributed to Afhani refugees on American soil. So much for the free exercise of religion under American control.

There is a reason you probably forgot all about this, or never heard about it in the first place. Christians don’t riot and throw bombs when their holy book is burned to ashes, even when it’s done by their own government.

But now a lone pastor of a small church just threatens to burn the holy book of Muslims, and it’s Armageddon. Protests ensue, rocks are thrown at military vehicles, and death threats are issued to Pastor Jones, America itself and to President Obama, the latter just for being president while all this was going on.

This, of course, is exactly the calm, measured reaction you would expect from what everybody tells us is a religion dedicated to moderation, tolerance, harmony, and the well-being of all mankind.

Ponder the contrasting response of the Christian community and the Muslim community to the burning of their holy books and decide for yourself which is the religion of peace.

Pastor Jones, at last count, had received 200 Qur’ans destined for the fire. Here’s the solution:

Let’s have the U.S. military count up all the Holy Bibles it burned in 2009, and then let Pastor Jones burn the same number of Qur’ans. Then, once parity in torched holy books has been reached and full religious equality has been achieved, Gen. Petraeus and Secretary Gates can complain all they want.

That will be fair, just, and equitable and should make everybody who follows a peaceful faith quite content that justice has been done and the scales balanced. On the other hand, everybody who belongs to a religion of violence and war will howl in protest. But that way we’ll know who they are.

September 12, 2010 at 4:39 p.m.

Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck? Here is a little test that will help you decide. The answer can be found by posing the following question:

You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you.

You are carrying a Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? THINK CAREFULLY AND THEN SCROLL DOWN:

Democrat’s Answer :

Well, that’s not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the pistol have appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children? Is it possible he’d be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have paint and weed day and make this happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior. This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for few days and try to come to a consensus.

Republican’s Answer:

BANG!

Redneck’s Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!BANG! BANG! BANG ! Click….. (Sounds of reloading) BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click

Daughter: Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hydrashocks?! Son: Can I shoot the next one?! Wife: You ain’t taking that to the Taxidermist

September 12, 2010 at 4:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I have to admit: that IS funny Even though I am a democrat!

September 12, 2010 at 5:07 p.m.
acerigger said...

I'm somewhat of a liberal but if you attack me or mine,the consequences will be swift,dire, and your own dam fault!

September 12, 2010 at 6:51 p.m.
alprova said...

Ikeithlu wrote: "I have to admit: that IS funny Even though I am a democrat!"


Funny it is, but it's not Canary's work. As usual, he's lifted it somewhere and posted it here without proper attribution to the source from where he found it.

That particular article of humor has been floating around since the 1940's, believe it or not, first appearing in William Ernest Hocking’s, 'What Man Can Make of Man,' denying many times that he was the author..

Robert Frost revived it for another round during the 1970's in association with the debut of Clint Eastwood's "Dirty Harry" character, quoting it during a speech at the University of Georgia.

As best I can tell, the wording is intact and in it's original form, with nary a change to make it applicable to current events. Amazing.

September 13, 2010 at 1:23 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Interesting observation, alprova! And I thought I had heard them all, and yet had never heard this one.

September 13, 2010 at 7:04 a.m.
alprova said...

Canary's source for the articles above that he lifted and has posted twice on this site apparently originated from the American Family Association website, and more specifically from Bryan Fischer's blog located on that site, where he posts all kinds of other anti-Muslim tripe.

For instance, you can read other wonderfully titled articles from Mr. Fischer entitled;

"A huge Muslim problem: inbreeding"

"Burning holy books: one of theirs for one of ours" (Canary lifted this one too and it is posted above.)

"President Obama cannot possibly be a Christian"

"It’s no longer "The Home Depot," it’s now "The Homosexual Depot"

Rolando posted a link to a Town Hall article yesterday written by Mike Adams, who maintains a low key profile on that site. He's much more bold and daring on the AFA site.

Mike Adams titles?

"The Gaystapo"

"Queer Theories and Theologies"

"Progressive Protein Milkshakes"

"Fat Lesbians on Crack"

The AFA itself has evolved into an organization that wants to infuse religion into every facet of American's lives, by standing on platforms of hate and intolerance, by amassing a record of protesting anything and everything Islamic, Jewish, GLBT, Playboy and Penthouse magazines as well as other pornography, Madonna, NYPD Blue for sex and violence in it's episodes, Abercrombie & Fitch for "provocatively" dressed models, and a host of other causes, including the targeting of any retailer that chooses to refrain from expressly using the word "Christmas" in the store or in advertising.

After spending an hour on that site, it was easy to see where both of them derive many, if not most of their "facts," beliefs, and talking points.

I love Google.

September 13, 2010 at 9:02 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

hmmmm...I'd like to keep the "American Family Association" as far from my family as possible.

September 13, 2010 at 3:50 p.m.
FM_33 said...

I'm somewhat of a liberal but if you attack me or mine,the consequences will be swift,dire, and your own dam fault! Username: acerigger | On: September 12, 2010 at 6:51 p.m.


  • FM_33 stsrts crying in fear *
September 13, 2010 at 5:55 p.m.
FM_33 said...

I'm somewhat of a liberal but if you attack me or mine,the consequences will be swift,dire, and your own dam fault! Username: acerigger | On: September 12, 2010 at 6:51 p.m.


  • FM_33 starts crying in fear *
September 13, 2010 at 5:56 p.m.
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