published Wednesday, August 3rd, 2011

Bizarre attack on 9/11 cross

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    The September 11 cross stands in front of 4 World Trade Center during a ceremony, Saturday, July 23, 2011, in New York. After the ceremony, the cross was installed at the National September 11 Memorial and Museum. It was discovered upright in the ruins of ground zero following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)
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You may recall the two steel beams that remained standing in the rubble, in the shape of a cross, after the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed in the terrorist attacks on New York City on Sept. 11, 2001.

For many, that cross at the World Trade Center site became a symbol of hope and comfort. But whatever your views, it was obviously a stark, memorable image after the attacks. So it is perfectly natural that the cross would become part of the 9/11 Memorial and Museum, to which it was recently moved.

But now, predictably, an obscure atheist organization has filed a lawsuit in New York to keep the cross out of the memorial.

The atheists claim, among other things, that seeing the cross literally causes sickness.

"The plaintiffs ... have suffered, are suffering, and will continue to suffer damages, both physical and emotional, from the existence of the challenged cross," the lawsuit claims.

"Named plaintiffs have suffered ... dyspepsia, symptoms of depression, headaches, anxiety, and mental pain and anguish from the knowledge that they are made to feel officially excluded from the ranks of citizens who were directly injured by the 9/11 attack ... ."

Dyspepsia? Do you know what that is? Indigestion.


The plaintiffs also say that "government enshrinement of the cross was an impermissible mingling of church and state."

That's absurd, too. The cross that was left in the rubble of the World Trade Center -- when very little else remained -- is a part of that painful chapter of our history and of course has a legitimate historical place in the 9/11 memorial. It is scarcely a government "establishment of religion" that the First Amendment to the Constitution forbids.

The lawsuit against the World Trade Center cross being placed at the 9/11 Memorial and Museum should be swiftly dismissed.

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BCL33 said...

If the value of the rubble is that it represents a religious ideology, then no, it may not be government-sponsored. So, I pose a hypothetical. Assume the rubble was not in the shape of the cross, would it be allowed into the museum (e.g., the rest of the WTC)? Probably not. The primary reason it is being let in is because of it's religious symbolism, which makes government sponsorship of it in violation of the 1st Amendment. This is the same case as the Ten Commandments, with the religious object switched, and we all know how that played out.

August 3, 2011 at 10:45 a.m.
DerekMcCosh said...

For a person to claim this is a government establishment of religion belittles the very premise of the 1st Amendment. Erecting a piece of rubble in a memorial that is shaped like a cross in now way forces anyone to worship Jesus or any other god.

In fact the atheists who continually press the issue of secular humanism and complete godlessness are attempting to do the very thing they hate. They themselves are forcing a religious system of godlessness upon American citizens who for the most part at least believe in God, and of whom most are Christians.

To say this or placing the Ten Commandments in public view on public grounds is an establishment of religion by a government is preposterous. Freedom of worship and Freedom to worship any god is one of the things that makes America great, and the freedom to worship man and self (for the atheist) is also not prevented nor endorsed.

If it makes you sick, perhaps you should question why? If there is no God then why are you so worried? If there is, then what does that mean for you?

August 3, 2011 at 10:57 a.m.
BCL33 said...

It qualifies as a government sponsorship of religion because tax dollars are spent towards it. There's a three pronged test the federal government devised during Lemon v. Kurtzman for the issue of giving out aid to private schools to determine whether parochial schools should receive aid. The test for all government sponsorship is as follows:

‎1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose; 2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion; 3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.

It's very loose language, but if any one of these rules are broken it is considered a government sponsorship of religion. Is there a secular purpose in admitting a cross into the government-funded memorial/museum?

There is not, as without religious connotation it would simply be "rubble." You miss the point where there exists a balance between Freedom Of and Freedom From. There are many people who do not share your open embrace of religion on public grounds and those people are entitled to not be confronted with it in public spaces.

August 3, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.
BCL33 said...

Well, if you are correct, L4F, we will go to hell. But I have doubts as to whether you are correct. Name one other way that NAZIs and secularists are similar. Really, communists were much more secular than NAZIs were, so if I were you I would use that fear-mongering hyperbole instead. I mean, that is only if you care about accuracy, which doesn't seem to be the case. So, are we NAZIs or are we communists? Historically, these two groups really didn't get along very well. Did you know Thomas Jefferson was a secularist? Which branch of secularism did he adhere to, the NAZI party or the Communist Party?

August 3, 2011 at 1:45 p.m.
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