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Photograph of the War in the West. These photographs are of the Battle of Chattanooga, September-November 1863. Library of Congress.
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dao1980 said...

But Lib4F, the NAACP wants you to pay very close attention to your ethnicity and feel bad... don't you feel bad?

June 8, 2011 at 2:34 p.m.
chet123 said...

Shame on the NAACP....they should be glad the south had so much love for black folks.... remember it was only states rightS the south was fighting....Yeah thats right! The state had right to own human being...DARN YANKEE GO HOME AND LEAVE US GOOD SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN CHURCH GOING WHITE FOLKS ALONE!

June 8, 2011 at 4:34 p.m.
dao1980 said...

I think that we should round up all the white folks and ship them off to countries that will take them. They're nasty, they do their homework, and when they talk they s-a-y t-h-e w-h-o-l-e w-o-r-d. They drive me absolutely crazy with their opinions and their thoughts about things and stuff.

June 9, 2011 at 8:50 a.m.
revmike11 said...

Hey Libertariana4Freedom! That flag also represented a deep hate for change! Which most southern whites identified with during that period of our history. This is my country too! I have rights just as you do! I respect your right to fly your flag, but when you lol about folk who have relocated here because of a lack of employment, I remind you that most of these companies are relocating to the south because of the changes that have taken place in regard racial harmony! Your flag does nothing for this but sew bad seeds! The only flag I honor is the American flag because that is the flag of these United States. The Civil War is over! Now you need to get over it too! You lost!!!!!!!!

July 6, 2011 at 9:17 a.m.
McRand said...

I wonder if we hadn't had the civil war would we still harbor bad feelings towards the British for the evils they fostered upon the colonists prior to the revolution, and the loss of loved ones during it? That was a civil war between the colonists view of rights and the British Kingdom. Do they still harbor ill feelings towards us; the colonies, for our rebellion? I don't think so. We need to quit living in the past. Some people need to quit being so insecure and territorial. This is the United States, "The land of the free". We can come and go and live wherever we please. But the bigots and xenophobes think otherwise. Seems some people never grow up.

"Thus saith the LORD, which maketh a way in the sea, and a path in the mighty waters; Which bringeth forth the chariot and the horse, the army and the power; they shall lie down together, they shall not rise; they are extinct, they are quenched as tow. Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old". Iasiah 43: 16-18

July 6, 2011 at 2:06 p.m.
Wilder said...

Starting with 2 year olds, the minorities are now the majority. It's time to start forming organizations, like the NAAWP(National Association for the Advancement of White People), WET(White Entertainment Network), we should get preferential treatment with college admissions(affirmitive action), The Catholic church should now come to our defense, etc.. Don't hold your breath.

TONY COX, host: Now to the changing face of America. A close look at U.S. Census Bureau numbers as well as other reporting shows that for the first time, minorities make up a majority of babies born in the United States. Put another way: The future is here, at least for the 2-year-old-and-under set.

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/27/137448906/us-will-have-minority-whites-sooner-says-demographer

July 7, 2011 at 8:15 a.m.
olhoazul2 said...

Ask any self-respecting, enlightened individual and they will tell you that the Confederate's Stars and Bars is the basic equivalent of Hitler's Nazi swastika. The Germans have outrightly banned the swastika and many here agree with this, though no doubt, per your askew perspective, because they're all just raging europhiles.

July 7, 2011 at 10:20 a.m.
olhoazul2 said...

How on God's green earth you equate living in the South with wistfully forlorning a losing, 150-years ago, pro-slavery revolt?? Afraid that this is further indication of how warped your side is on this. Also not sure how in the world you get how Southern "loving history and heritage" somehow equates with pseudo-patriotically waving your swastika/stars and bars. Many Southerners oppose and work against these views. In addition to being divisive, these perspectives are frankly confusing, irrational and troubling.

July 7, 2011 at 11:19 a.m.
hambone said...

Please don't take L4F as representing all southerners folks. He would be just as much of a bigoted nut if he was born in downtown Mexico City!

July 11, 2011 at 12:37 p.m.
chioK_V said...

Wilder said... Starting with 2 year olds, the minorities are now the majority


Wilder, the above statement by you has already been proven a lie. The truth is America's white population will never be a minority in America. Right wing extremists and tea partiers who helped to create that myth fear the likes of Carmen Diaz and other WHITES OF Mexican and other Latino heritage. They know they're lie doesn't stand up when put to the test.

Furthermore, anyone who keeps saying the south was about states right and not about perserving the institution of slavery is an absolute lie! States rights would have included the right to own human cargo. Slavery was just an integral part of the south's survival pictures of slaves toiling in the fields was once printed on southern currency. Stop lying. Stop pretending. Stop trying to rewrite history. Stop accusing others of living in the past, when you keep opening old wounds and rubbing it in the faces of the victims. That's like trying to say Hitler wasn't about exterminating entire groups of people of other etnicities, race and religion. Oh! Hitler also considered himself a Christian.

July 11, 2011 at 1:14 p.m.
chioK_V said...

Article states: Whether large numbers of blacks willingly helped the Confederacy has sporadically been a point of debate. It was renewed recently when a North Carolina community turned down an effort to erect a monument to 10 black men who served the Confederate Army and later received pensions. Confederate law prohibited slaves from serving as soldiers until March 1865.


Many blacks who served in the Confederacy were forced to serve. Others had no idea what or why they were serving. It's no different than blacks serving in World War II, Korea and the Vietnam War at the time the south was still pretty much segregated with White Only signs, No Blacks Allowed and segregated water fountains, restrooms and restaurants. Blacks who were asked to serve, but refused, were shot dead on the spot. Many had their faces shot off Remembering Slavery. Facts taken from the Library of Congress. Others who served had been promised their freedom if they served and the south won. Most black slaves, who had fought in prior wars and told the same thing, knew that promise was a lie. They ran away their southern units and joined the Union at first opportunity. For sure, there were those black slaves dedicated to their masters and mistresses and would have fought regardless. They didn't know anything else but the life of being a slaves. After all, southern slaveowners even misquoted the Bible claiming God had meant for the black man to be servants to the white man. There were tricks and means used to the slavery alive in the south. Some very brutal and very hideous.

July 11, 2011 at 1:35 p.m.
mystyre said...

as a blackman raised in the beautiful south, i would like to say, as an American in America, L4F has the right to celebrate his southern history, as do any other citizens. not making any accusations, but if he was to be a true racist, that's his opinion which is a God-given, American respected right. if he is not vandilizing other citizens or public property, then he is well within his rights.
people don't seem to realize freedom of speech give everyone the right to express themselves regardless of how it is accepted.

July 11, 2011 at 2:13 p.m.
sangaree said...

mystyre, of course your right. Lib4 has a right to like, disagree with and even hate whomever he wishes. However, neither he nor anyone else has the right to force their ideas and beliefs on anyone else. And that is what so called southern white heritage is all about. If he wants to fly his confederate flag, hang it on his the hood of his car, portray it in his front yard, that's is his right. However, when those rights invade the rights of others by placement on government buildings, what have you, then that's where those rights are in violation and direct conflict with the rights of others who also have rights. Lib4 and others like him can hate until it eats them up like a cancer. They can fly their flag, celebrate their false heritage, wipe their butts with that flag for all anyone cares. However, that's not what the likes of Lib4 are after. They want the laws to go back to a time when they felt they had the right to terrorize individuals who didn't look like them. Who had the backings of and support of their local law enforcement and courts to achieve their misdeeds. Otherwise, you might believe Hitler was just practicing his rights by way of extermination.

July 11, 2011 at 2:29 p.m.
mystyre said...

i'm not too fond of the confederacy, but where do you see an obligation to adhere to an idea of belief? i can turn off my tv. i don't have to go to anyone's religious facility or event. shoot, i don't even have to vote. if hanging a flag is just to remember an historical event, then fine. the civil war is a part of AMERICAN history which means its a part of all AMERICANS. now, if the government body was too actually try to impose the beliefs of old then, yes, we have a problem. but, i don't feel threatened at the sight of a confederate flag or ceremony.

July 11, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.
hambone said...

L4F saying " I'm not a racist" is like Nixon saying " I'm not a crook"

July 14, 2011 at 12:27 p.m.
johnnyreb3 said...

Our ancestors died defending our homeland from invasion by the federal government, we have a right to celebrate their sacrifice. The unlimited power that the government now possesses is directly due to the outcome of the War of Northern Aggression. The feds now tell you what kind of light bulb you can burn, what food you can eat, what kind of gun and ammunition you can own, and it will never end until every move you make is governed by the federal government. Alabama is not New York or California (thank God!) and should not be governed by the same laws.

July 27, 2011 at 6:21 p.m.
rolando said...

Let me pose a question/scenario to those anti-Southern-heritage folks out there.


Draw a line due North to Canada from the Western end of the old Mason-Dixon line.

Now tell that NE section of the US that all non-citizen mestizos, legally and illegally in the country, will now have two votes for every one of theirs and their representation in the US House and Senate will now double.

Further, tell that NE Section that no natural gas, heating oil, or electricity will pass over the Mason-Dixon line from the rest of the US. Tell them that the Canadian border will be closed to electricity from that source. Blockade the Eastern seaboard to ensure compliance. Force them to buy electricity from outside the NE section at exorbitant rates.

Are you beginning to understand what the North was doing to the South over the slavery/foreign commerce issue?

Would you be willing to fight and kill to keep your houses warm in winter, food in your mouth and your family's mouths? How about warm clothes? What about your electricity- and oil-intensive manufacturing/financial/shipping businesses? Then imagine having your coal mines closed. Still unwilling to fight?

Simply put, the South had to have slaves to grow their produce because of the lack of manpower. Growing things was a manpower-intensive business in those days, although even that was beginning to change with the advent of the Industrial Age.

Now couple that with the Northern controlled Legislature that required all overseas shipments of product to go through Northern ports or on Northern shipping. Further, the Legislature laid heavy duties on imported machinery...so the South had to buy Northern made machinery. Even further, all new states -- with their Representatives and Senators -- would increase the North's law-making influence...to the detriment of the South.

So the next time you shout at the South for commemorating their war dead, think about what you would celebrate or commemorate had that NE Section lost that imaginary war for survival.

July 27, 2011 at 7:24 p.m.
mzungu said...

I saw this comment from another daily paper in TN today and thought it so apropos:

"It amazes me that the same people who want the black community to forget Jim Crow, segregation and the Civil Rights struggle, i.e., stop living in the past, are the same ones who drive around with the stars and bars on their pickups and Hummers and think it's clever to have the word "confederate" as part of their user names."

To expand on that thought a bit further, isn't it also more than ironic that those folks who insist it's their "heritage" and their "right" to celebrate the Confederacy and all it represented yet still claim to be patriotic Americans? Excuse me, but the Confederacy seceded from the Union by declaring war and made themselves an enemy of the U.S. by firing on Fort Sumter. Wouldn't that thus make any Confederates and their sympathizers -- both past and present -- traitors and therefore guilty of treason? Just sayin' . . .

July 27, 2011 at 10 p.m.
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