published Wednesday, August 24th, 2011

Libya

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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nucanuck said...

Perfect, Clay. By trying to get rid of an aging Gadhafi, we have created another nation building trap in a culture we don't understand.

Whatever Gadhafi's past sins, his effort to suppress a civil insurection did not warrent foreign intervention in a sovereign state.

We are now obligated to repair the nation we destroyed and we will now spend many billions of borrowed dollars to try to create an obedient nation for the oil needs of the west.

...and we wonder why our elevator is going down.

August 24, 2011 at 12:24 a.m.
JohnnyRingo said...

Clay Bennett views complex issues in simple one panel pictures. Thank goodness he can draw.

August 24, 2011 at 2:53 a.m.
woody said...

"...the more things change, the more they stay the same...."..Woody

August 24, 2011 at 5:36 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Much more artistry than usual? (Maybe his wife helped??)

Is "warrent" the new Canadian spelling for "warrant"? Why d'you say we owe Libya a makeover? The US role wasn't big there.

K'daffy was no Saint Constantine the Great, but how likely is the new regime to improve on him? Often enough revolutions put something worse in place: USSR and communist regimes, Iran... The cartoon raised the issues of Gadhaffi and of chains, of tyranny, but Islam--and the new regime claims to be Islamist--brings chains to its countries. (So has atheism, despite Ayn Rand.) For freedom we need Christianity--look at the world!--and vice versa helps also. During the Libyan war (and Iraq and Afghan wars) we took no precautions to try to ensure freedom in the new regime, e.g. demanding that they endorse the 1st Amendment or whole Bill of Rights before we'd support the new guys.

August 24, 2011 at 6:33 a.m.
MTJohn said...

I do not understand how anyone can conclude that this cartoon is an expression of support for foreign intervention. Both of the hands in the play on Escher are Libyans. That, by the way, also captures a lot of the complexity of the issue.

Andrew - for freedom, the world needs Christ. It needs Christianity only to the extent that Christians honestly communicate Christ's message. Those who would elevate Atlas Shrugged to the 67th book of the canon bear false witness to Christ's invitation to see His image in the face of our neighbor - especially our neighbors who are different from us and our neighbors who are less fortunate than ourselves.

August 24, 2011 at 7:09 a.m.
fairmon said...

Libya phase 1 complete now what. The rebels say Sharia law will be the basis of their judicial system. Doesn't sound like democracy and freedom. The reason for invading Afghanistan were shaky the reason for invading Iraq were non existent. Do we now we think democracy as we know it is going to break out in the middle east. Have we become like every other dynasty in history that held the belief they could control the world? They all went broke and fell hard trying to do that. For the first time in history we have in this decade been the aggressor three times. There is a good reason for studying history if we learn from it. The similarities with those dynasties and America's current state of being, behavior and rhetoric are frighteningly similar.

It is naive to believe the Libyan action was altruistic and not only about oil. Who will be in charge of the oil now? It could be worse than Gaddafi's contracted operations which were probably the best in the middle east.

August 24, 2011 at 7:22 a.m.
fairmon said...

the more things change, the more they stay the same...."..Woody

So true and remember Yogi's jewel; The ball parks are so crowded nobody comes out to the game anymore.

If we continue as we and as we hoe the garden and farm from sun up to sun down trying to survive we may be saying; Jobs are so few nobody works any more.

August 24, 2011 at 7:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

What would be the prevailing opinion on bringing every American soldier home and telling those countries that want our assistance in defending their country we will contract doing so at cost to be paid monthly plus $1 per year if they commit to never being the aggressor.

Return the National Guard to their states. Inform the states they need to build up and equip their National Guards to handle domestic events and catastrophic events such as floods, hurricanes, tornadoes etc. and eliminate the department of homeland security. External threats should be monitored and handled by the FBI, CIA, the military and other defense oriented agencies.

Achieving energy independence opens up a world of opportunities to return the country to financial health and go a long way in achieving peace in the middle east. We consume 25% of imported oil. we could become a net exporter. They couldn't hurt each other throwing sand and rocks.

August 24, 2011 at 7:44 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Why doesn't the pencil have Sharīʿah, which will be the code of conduct or religious law of Islam written, on it?

August 24, 2011 at 7:45 a.m.
OllieH said...

Beautiful cartoon!

What I find most interesting about this particular chapter of the conflict in Libya is the thundering silence of Republicans about the fall of Gadhafi. I guess the rule is "if you can't say something mean about the president, you shouldn't say anything at all."

August 24, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein had a commonality of purpose that may be at the root of their demise. They both made bold moves to end payment for oil in US petrodollars. Nothing, absolutely nothing, would be more threatening to US world hegemony than the end of payment for oil in US dollars.

Iran has just initiated oil sales bypassing payment in US dollars. Any wonder then that war rhetoric and venom continue to be aimed at Iran?

Get your sons and daughters prepared for military service, we are a militant society.

August 24, 2011 at 10:19 a.m.

While I did enjoy the idea behind this one, I doubt Libya had much at all to do with getting rid of their dictator. This was just an extension of the arab spring brought to you by the muslim brotherhood and sanctioned by our boy Obama through NATO. Nice to know we now support terrorists with our tax dollars whether we want to or not.

August 24, 2011 at 10:25 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Harp, don't you know that all countries want to be like us and it is our job to push our way of life on them? (Sarcasim intended) We do so well at it around here. Just look at our post on these cartoons and it will tell you how well we do it.

As for the cartoon, I find this one very thought provoking. I must admit this one is very well done, Clay.

Ollie, are you trying to say the Obama had anything to do with this? With the minimal support that we gave it is like saying that Babe Ruth hit 714 home runs because of fan support. Maybe I am exagerating a little but I think it makes my point.

August 24, 2011 at 10:30 a.m.

In a related story, a fatwa has been issued against Assad and now Obama is starting to move against them. He has been slaughtering his people for months and we went after "Gaddaffer" instead. Now that there is a fatwa http://beforeitsnews.com/story/989/986/Qaradawi_and_International_Union_of_Muslim_Scholars_Issue_Fatwa_Calling_Assad_Regime_Heretical_And_Telling_Muslims_To_Sever_Ties_With_It.html against Assad, Obama suddenly notices? Are we an arm of these muslim clerics?

August 24, 2011 at 11 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Thanks Andrew for pointing out my great shame of being a poor speller. We all must live with our burdens.

August 24, 2011 at 12:11 p.m.
potcat said...

WoW, for freedom we need Christianity, thats a good one.

What RIGHT does the US have in overturning any Countries President,who the Hell do we think we are, the Rulers of the WORLD.

Who do you think is going to replace these Presidents,oh ,lets see,since those in Iraq, Afghanistan that we Apointed are so corrupt to the CORE on the American dime, we need another Nation to run.

Lets keep THE WARS going, after all War Profiteers are doing Great!!!

August 24, 2011 at 12:16 p.m.
nucanuck said...

L4F,

I'll take a pass on your version of FREEDOM.

August 24, 2011 at 1:09 p.m.
LibDem said...

As reported by AP: In a statement issued late Sunday, Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said they regretted that “this success was so long in coming due to the failure of the United States to employ the full weight of our airpower.”

Apparently President Obama was wrong not to engage in a third full scale war. Does the President have a winning scenario on any front?

August 24, 2011 at 2:21 p.m.
woody said...

Thanks Harp..that was one of Yogi's best, but I was always partial to another which is rather appropo for today, "...it's just like deja vu all over again...."..Woody

August 24, 2011 at 2:36 p.m.
MTJohn said...

L4F - we aren't free. We are slaves to our own avarice.

August 24, 2011 at 3:44 p.m.
nucanuck said...

L4F,

If the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were "cool", may we assume that you favor a war tax to pay for them?

August 24, 2011 at 3:50 p.m.
LibDem said...

I think L4F means Bush is cool and Obama is hot.

August 24, 2011 at 3:56 p.m.

Wow. Look at all the scared progs attacking you L4f. If they don't like you, I support you 100%.

August 24, 2011 at 5:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

Biden is the premier politician. He really knows how to suck up to the Chinese as he begs them to not stop lending us money. Without being asked he stated he understood their one child per family rule and why they had to have it. Something about how many people were working for each person retired or not working.....I turned the channel instead of watching the idiot step on his dong again. I later thought he may come back with an idea.

August 24, 2011 at 6:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

L4F..

Does Iraq and Afghanistan really have freedom at this point? What percent do you think appreciate the events we precipitated? How many have a clue what those two wars have done to this country? When the U.S. goes to war we should pay as we go and have every butt with a dollar paying their share until the war and post war expense ends.

Stopping Iraq's attack on Kuwait is understandable and justifiable. Reacting to the terrorist attacks on 9/11 when it became known the perps were in Afghanistan, no problem. Stopping the invasion of one country by another is much different than becoming involved in internal affairs. We have now been the aggressor nation twice, that is not good. No one intervened or even offered assistance when the founders gained independence. I don't read in history where anyone came to their aid in rebuilding the country.

August 24, 2011 at 6:45 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Qaddafi's been on borrowed time since Nancy Reagan missed him back in '86. If killing Bin Laden AND ushering in the downfall of al Qadaffi is wrong, I don't wanna be right! Losers4Finalsolution bemoans the bombing of Dresden? Ha! Those inbred Nazis you feel for bombed Coventry first. They then, of course, "reaped the whirlwind." Candy ass Aryans..."vie vould you bomb Dresden?"

August 24, 2011 at 7:11 p.m.
alprova said...

dudes_abides wrote: "Qaddafi's been on borrowed time since Nancy Reagan missed him back in '86."

What's that all about? Tried to Google it, and came up with nothing.

August 24, 2011 at 8:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Nancy told Ronnie when to speak, etc., so I figured she's the one who sent the bombs in back in '86, after the disco bombing he was connected to.

August 24, 2011 at 9:18 p.m.
trburrows said...

woody as usual you are an idiot, liberal, racest whom no one likes.

August 29, 2011 at 11:46 p.m.
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