published Sunday, August 28th, 2011

The Fan Club

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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dude_abides said...

The guys in white should be handing out clues.

August 28, 2011 at 12:21 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

And if it said "President Obama fan club," the guy outside would be running away screaming?

Mr Perry has governed a large state for quite awhile with at least middling success. If our President had governed our country as well as Mr Perry has governed Texas, his re-election would be pretty much taken for granted right now. If President Obama is smarter, slicker, and better educated than Governor Perry, this shows that brains, charm, and schooling aren't exactly what it takes. As I keep posting, Obama has the wrong theory, bureaucratic aristocracy (a.k.a. liberalism), so he steers himself into disasters, destroying jobs and stimulating deficits, despite his personal capacity. Gov Perry, with somewhat better theories, would almost certainly make a somewhat better President, as would most of the Republicans running. Obama would make a great fundraiser for the Obama library.

August 28, 2011 at 12:28 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

BEWARE OF GOVERNOR GOODHAIR (tip of the cap to Molly Ivans)

There Clay goes again, bashing that secessionist loving, bible thumping, corporate boot licking, evolution questioning, and climate change doubting empty suit. Politically, he's the same guy he was when he served as George Bush's lieutenant governor. Can the republican party be so self destructive?

Obama can only wish. The only way our current president will get a second term is if he gets to run against someone like Perry. In the mean time Congress will remain a train wreck of name calling, Bill stalling, and time wasting grid lock. And it won't change until the 2012 election. It used to be a little more interesting when politicians from both parties could work together occasionally to pass a bill that might actually help some people who might actually need a little help. Not just stuff more money into the pockets of billionaires.

Can't wait for football to kick off. One of my favorite all time writing gigs was covering the NFL. I couldn't pick sides, obviously. Couldn't come across as a 'homer.' I had to report the strategy of both teams, how well they performed, and how the games played themselves out. For instance some teams had no business winning a game but the other team didn't really deserve to win, either. Some games were total blow outs. Others were nail biters where two evenly matched teams slugged it out for 60 minutes. I learned to watch football from an impartial vantage point and report objectively. It's a wonderful discipline everyone should entertain from time to time.

That's how I watched politics, too, for years. After all, politics is just football for nerds. You still have two teams - democrats and republicans - using strategy to battle each and win elected office.

I feel totally justified in saying politics used to be more interesting, or at least politicians were. Do republicans really believe that evolution is up for grabs? That the only thing wrong with the tax code is poor people don't pay enough? Really?

I heard gov. Perry complain recently that the federal government only sent financial aid to help with 25 of the 4,000 wild fires that scorched Texas this summer. I was there in June for my mother in law's funeral and it was brutal. Oh, Perry forget to mention that he only requested financial aid for 25 of the 4,000 wild fires.

There is lots more to know about this clown and most of it is absurd. My wife's nephew wants Perry to become President so he 'gets the hell out of Texas.' Not sure how clearly he thought that out, but his heart's in the right place. He's got a wife and three kids and the schools are embarrassing.

I defy anyone to look at Perry objectively and not see a glorified buffoon with nice hair.

August 28, 2011 at 1:23 a.m.
alprova said...

TOP 10 THINGS TEXAS GOV. RICK PERRY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT HIM!

Scott Keyes on Jun 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm

With widespread discontent on the right over their current presidential field, all eyes are trained on a likely new entrant Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), who has been elected governor three times and served for more than 10 years, enjoys bona fides from social conservatives and Tea Party-types alike. Glenn Beck even described Perry as a man he was so enamored with that he wanted to "French kiss."

However, as conservatives fawn over their newest presidential hopeful, it’s worth taking a closer examination at his record as governor. On issues across the board, from Perry’s support for dropping out of Social Security and Medicaid to his state’s abysmal pollution levels and his proposal that Texas secede from the United States, the Republican governor has amassed a record of far-right extremism.

ThinkProgress has assembled the top ten hits from Perry’s tenure as governor:

Read the rest at;

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/10/241830/top-10-thing-texas-gov-rick-perry

August 28, 2011 at 2:14 a.m.
EaTn said...

The best thing you can say about Rick is that he makes Sarah and Michele look brilliant and presidential.

August 28, 2011 at 6:01 a.m.
rolando said...

President Perry. Now that has a definite ring to it; it indeed rolls tripping off the tongue.

Ever so much better than Barack Hussein bin Obama in every way.

Get used to it.

Can't wait for The Hussein to whimper, "I lost".

August 28, 2011 at 6:50 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

We should never elect someone who is a traitor to our nation. Just last year, Perry wanted Texas to secede; this year he wants to be President. Why would we ever want to elect someone who despises our country?

If Texas ever seceded, it would be a country similar to Mexico. A place where the middle class has been replaced by peons. The rich would live life with little regard to rules, regulations and taxes. This may sound fine to some dim GOPers, but for the most everyone it would be a life of living in the dirty, crime-ridden slums.

Too bad some Americans would rather vote for their own demise, then vote for a black President. No wonder racism and ignorance go hand in hand.

August 28, 2011 at 7:12 a.m.
woody said...

I have heard of 'guys with butterfly nets', however, I wouldn't want to see the butterflies they might catch in those nets.

I, also, have no doubt everyone will eventually see Gov. Perry for what he is..a 'cowboy' wannabe. Even Texans, as slow as they may seem to be at coming to grips with things, will eventually see past their blinders.

Texans, mules, and certain politically-motivated people are stubborn..well-intentioned..but stubborn none-the-less..Woody

August 28, 2011 at 7:38 a.m.
hambone said...

Rick ( J R Ewing) Perry comes with a lot of baggage, all of his own making. His political idealogy is so all over the place his motto should be, " WHAT EVER IT TAKES"

August 28, 2011 at 7:54 a.m.
Momus said...

President Bachman. President Palin. Now President Perry. If you're smart enough to be President, you're smart enough not to take the job.

August 28, 2011 at 8:41 a.m.
jimbob said...

I lived in Texas for 10 yrs. Still have nightmares.

August 28, 2011 at 8:50 a.m.
jesse said...

there ain't a dog in this race thats up to the job,including obama! palin's showing more smarts than anyone,making BIG BUCKS off of it without running!she knows the mess this country is in is beyond her abilites. obama jumped into the deep end of the pool and then found out that not only he can't swim but its full of sharks!

August 28, 2011 at 8:56 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

sandy, Chief Justice Chase said secession is not treason. And if Candidate Obama call it "unpatriotic" of President Bush to have increased the debt by $4,000,000,000,000 in 8 years, what does President Obama think of himself for raising it that much in three years while also increasing joblessness?

b48, is Gov Perry's hairdo that much better than our President's?

alprova, most of the 10 things are more or less OK by me, though letting a doubtfully (at the time) innocent man be executed is not, assuming the Governor had full power to stop the execution. The difference is between a record with mistakes (Perry) and a record of mistakes (Obama.)

August 28, 2011 at 9:39 a.m.

Sorry, folks, but I don't see how Gov. Rick Perry or anyone else couldn't do a better job than our current president. There's not one reason I can think of to reelect President Obama. Not one. At this point I'd rather have a cowboy who won't apologize for being an American rather than a guy who slinks away from a tough task and lets others do the work, like President Obama did during the debt ceiling mess. He bailed!

August 28, 2011 at 9:54 a.m.
dude_abides said...

andrew...Don't worry about the "doubtfully (at the time [?!]) innocent man being executed." The God of Andrew & Rick would have stopped said execution if it wasn't necessary, or at least useful.

August 28, 2011 at 9:55 a.m.
dude_abides said...

apology accepted blondie. Don't worry about it, and don't feel alone. Somebody's got to be watching those infomercials all night long.

August 28, 2011 at 10:14 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

BUSH LITE

If you loved George W. Shrub, you will simply adore Rick!

And your reason for voting should never hinge on the phrase, 'How much worse could it get?' or, 'Let's get it over with!'

Go back to the Fall of 2008; that's where Perry will begin if you knot heads vote him into the White House.

GDP dropping 9% and nearly 1,000,000 people losing their jobs every month.

Do you really believe it's WORSE now? It's not.

Could it be better? Sure. Everything could be better. Well, maybe not Blue Bell ice cream, but you get the idea.

As far as the 'Texas Jobs Miracle,' give me a break. They have LOST private sector jobs, the three surrounding states have a lower unemployment rate, and the only way Perry increased employment is by accepting stimulus money from Obama and hiring government workers.

Personally, I can't wait for the debate where Rick bluster's how the stimulus failed; of course, we're talking about Obama now, and he wouldn't think to hammer someone with the facts or make someone look foolish. He refuses to name names. It would shatter his image of the cool guy trying to unite us all in a rousing version of kumbaya.

Ugh. My new mantra: football... football... football...

August 28, 2011 at 10:17 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Andrew, so what if a SCOTUS justice, two hundred years ago, and before the Civil War said that? He was a reactionary and he was wrong, if he were alive today, he would be a Perry supporter.

Secession is treason. If a state leaves our sovereign nation it is in violation of the Constitution, see the 14th Amendment.

Also, Perry is violating our sacred and beloved Pledge of Allegiance by seceding. He doesn't take the oath seriously: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.

Perry needs to go off with the Palins and run Somalia.

August 28, 2011 at 10:32 a.m.

Sandy,

Obama has made a mockery of our Constitution. I think his courting of illegals so he can profit from it during the next election is treasoness. I think he'd embrace lawlessness if can gain from it. All politicians who put personal gain above defending our borders and protecting our citizens are committing treason. Seems that many on here only bring up the Constitution when it suits them. It's a clear violation of Constitutional duties for our president to not do all he can to protect our borders from invaders and protect our citizens.

August 28, 2011 at 11:46 a.m.
terrybham said...

Great cartoon; keep up the good work.

August 28, 2011 at 11:56 a.m.
timbo said...

TO YOU LIBERALS First of all let's get to the Perry thing. Seccesion...he wasn't serious, ok. It was just to emphasize a point about how the socialist federal government was out of hand and away from the constitution. Your just nit picking.

On the other hand, his views on evolutions and "creation science" are an indication of his gross ignorance and a lack of basic logic which excludes him from my even considering him as presidential material. His views are much like you liberals on the economy. Thier are based on ignorance and a lack of basic logic. In that you are similar.

Now, I have always told my democrat and republican friends that there is no difference in the parties when it comes right down to it. They are both progressives, they both spend money (although it is on different things.) and they always seem to have enough votes in congress when it is important to their rich donors, i.e. the bank bailout, stimulus package, and the debt ceiling increase. There is always enough turncoats on both sides to get it done. Lately, after reading some of the bizarre veiws and vitriol from people who post on this site, I have almost changed my mind about which party is the lesser of two evils.

You liberals remind me of Superman comics. There was a segment about a place called Bizarro World. In this world everything was opposite the real world. Up was down, good was evil, etc. It is similar to the fact that you guys think making more debt to fix the debt problem is logical, that we should emulate socialist European governments when they are in more economic trouble than we are, that a huge system like the earth can be affected by a few hundred years of human pollution and that Obama is qualified when he had almost no practical experience. etc, ect, etc, Guys these kinds of thoughts are bizarre. They make no sense. Your living in Bizzaro world.

So, although I loathe the republicans and what GW did to the debt, Obama is doing the same thing but three times faster. Although I don't like this religious claptrap by people like Palin and Perry, it is not as relevant as economic survival.

I didn't vote for either party last time and we got Obama, who is much worse than I could have ever thought. So this time I am more ripe for giving money to Republicans and finally choosing on who is the lesser of two evils. People like blackwater, potcat, hambone, chet123, dude_abides, etc. have almost convince me that the loonie left is so crazy and out of touch with reality that I might have to choose this time for a chance of saving this country.

August 28, 2011 at 11:59 a.m.
rick1 said...

Sandy, since you are so upset about Perry violating our Pledge of Allegiance, what are your feelings on Obama leaving Creator out of Declaration Preamble?

August 28, 2011 at 12:09 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Woody said: “I, also, have no doubt everyone will eventually see Gov. Perry for what he is..a 'cowboy' wannabe.”

Perry will never make the cowboy grade, Woody. For starters, cowboys generally have a code of ethics and Perry doesn’t. No, the guy is just another political sleazebag:

“The Guv appointed an Enron executive to the state's Public Utilities Commission and, the next day, Perry got a check for $25,000 from Ken Lay. He explained this, to everyone's satisfaction, as being "totally coincidental." . . .

. . . It was also totally coincidental, of course, that Perry collected $1.2 million in campaign contributions from special interests during the 20 days at the end of the session when he had to decide whether to sign or veto bills. Totally coincidentally, Perry then unleashed a blizzard of vetoes on the very same bills those special interests wanted killed. Amazing, isn't it?"

http://www.creators.com/opinion/molly-ivins/molly-ivins-august-6.html

August 28, 2011 at 12:32 p.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Rick1, so what is wrong with what Obama said quoting from the Declaration of Independence? So what if he left out " their Creator"? The gist of the sentence is "all men are created equal". Talk about nitpicking, my goodness. Timbo and you are digging hard to find things on Obama.

Timbo, for someone who seems to enjoy accusing others of ignorance, you may want to edit the following: "Your just nit picking." should be " You are just nitpicking. " "Thier are based on ignorance and a lack of basic logic." should be "They are based on ignorance and a lack of basic logic.". "Now, I have always told my democrat and republican friends that there is no difference in the parties when it comes right down to it. ", should be "Now, I have always told my Democratic and Republican friends that there are no differences in the parties when it comes right down to it. "

These are a few of the many mistakes you have on your post. I would go on, but I have better things to do today. You shouldn't criticize Gov. Perry for being ignorant when you are far worse than him.

August 28, 2011 at 12:45 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Here we go again . . . another Republican attacking Social Security on behalf of Wall Street:

“During a stop in Iowa on Saturday Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry stood by his criticism of Social Security as a "Ponzi scheme."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/28/rick-perry-social-security_n_939492.html

August 28, 2011 at 12:52 p.m.
EaTn said...

I think Perry missed his calling--he reminds me of one of those big money and wide exposure televangelists.

August 28, 2011 at 1 p.m.
rick1 said...

Sandy, this isn't nitpicking, it just that the left does not want people having a relationship with their church. The left believes government should be telling people what their moral obligations are and wants to force people to turn to the government instead of their church, families and charitable organizations for assistance. The government wants to control all of that.

Obama has already said he wants to eliminate tax deductions on charitable organizations and look at the assault Christianity is under in this country.

August 28, 2011 at 1:15 p.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Think Progress's article of Gov. Perry's ideas:

  1. The Civil War Was Caused By Slaveowners Trampling On Northern States’ Rights: Rather than simply citing chattel slavery as an exemption to his “states’ rights are good” principle, Perry argues that slaveholder activism in the 1850s was an example of big government federal overreach. “In many ways it was was the northern states whose sovereignty was violated in the run-up to the Civil War,” he argues, citing the Fugitive Slave Act and completely ignoring the human rights of the enslaved African-Americans of the south.
August 28, 2011 at 1:18 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

rick1, Christianity isn't under assault. Has anyone been jailed for being a Christian or going to church? Have churches been chained shut? How can Christians be "persecuted" when they are the majority?

I am a liberal and I have no problem with folks being religious. However, I have a HUGE problem with folks deciding that I have to be religious. I have a HUGE problem with lawmakers wanting us to live under Biblical law rather than the Constitution. I don't want the government determining my moral obligations, and I don't want churches telling me either.

The government provides services just like churches do. That's a good thing for two reasons: First, government is not going to make you participate in a religious activity in order to get a meal or a bed (like many religious charities do) and second, the need is greater than the churches are willing and/or able to provide.

August 28, 2011 at 1:21 p.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Rick, if the government didn't step in, we would still have slavery in the South. Some people have no morals; thus, the government needs to do what is right in the face of inhumanity and injustice. Read my post above on Gov. Perry's feelings about the importance of States' rights versus slavery.

August 28, 2011 at 1:25 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Well, I see that Governor Perry doesn’t think the American public is entitled to safe drinking water. Yep, I’d say that Texans have gained miles and miles of dirty contaminated water since the Perrywinkle was elected to office. What is it about Republicans and safe drinking water? Are there any Republican candidates out there who believe the American public deserves safe uncontaminated drinking water?

“Like so many Republican officials of the tea party persuasion, Rick Perry despises the Environmental Protection Agency—a feeling he has expressed repeatedly in speeches, lawsuits, legislation and even a book titled “Fed Up!” Perhaps that is only natural for the governor of Texas, a “dirty energy” state where the protection of air, water and human health rank well below the defense of oil company profits for most politicians.

But Perry has at least one other reason for smacking down those bureaucrats so eagerly. When environmental regulators do their job properly, that can mean serious trouble for Perry’s largest political donors.

The outstanding example is Harold Simmons, a Dallas mega-billionaire industrialist who has donated well over a million dollars to Perry’s campaign committees recently. With Perry’s eager assistance—and despite warnings from Texas environmental officials—Simmons has gotten approval to build an enormous radioactive waste dump on top of a crucial underground water supply.

“We first had to change the law to where a private company can own a license, and we did that,” Simmons boasted in 2006, after the Texas Legislature and the governor rubber-stamped initial legislation and approvals for the project. “Then we got another law passed that said (the state) can only issue one license. Of course, we were the only ones that applied.”

Most Americans have never heard of Simmons, despite his fantastic wealth, because he wisely keeps his head low, generally refusing press interviews and avoiding media coverage. Last year, a local monthly in his hometown published the headline “Dallas’ Evil Genius” over a scathing and fascinating investigative profile that examined not only the peculiar history of litigation between Simmons and his children (who no longer speak to him), but his political machinations, corporate raiding and continuing corporate penchant for pollution.”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/why_perry_hates_regulators_theyre_bad_for_his_business_20110825/

August 28, 2011 at 1:29 p.m.
rick1 said...

Sandy your right and let's thank Republican Party for the start of the Civil Rights Laws.

1955 President Dwight D. Eisenhower bans racial segregation on interstate bus travel.

Eisenhower sighed the Civil Rights Act of 1957.

Eisenhower signed the Civil Rights Act of 1960 after a 125 hour fillbuster by 18 Senate Democracts.

1956 MLK voted for Eisenhower for President.

http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

August 28, 2011 at 1:42 p.m.
timbo said...

sandy"LOOKING DOWN ON THE REST OF US"onsignal. First of all, typos are not ignorance. You know that, you just don't have the intelligence to dispute my points. I don't have time to check everything to the point that I am turning in an English paper. I'd like to see some of your texts and check on your "ignorance."

Some of those grammar things get by sometimes when your in a hurry and being informal. For you to hold that out as your criticism without even addressing my points is "nitpicking."

It isn't hard to find things on an ignoramus like Obama. Bush and Obama need to be on the show, "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?"

By the way, your veiws on the Civil War are traditional and elementary. Obviously, you haven't done much reading on the subject. It was a lot more complicated than your unsophisticated brain can understand. You are another Bizarro liberal that thinks grammar is more important than content. Why don't you "grade" some rap music sometime. Oh, that's right, that might be demeaning to some of your liberal constituency.

Was my grammar correct this time teacher?

August 28, 2011 at 1:45 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rick1 said: “It just that the left does not want people having a relationship with their church. The left believes government should be telling people what their moral obligations are and wants to force people to turn to the government instead of their church, families and charitable organizations for assistance.

Your statement and thinking does not make any sense, Rick1, especially from a Christian perspective. I can’t recall hearing about any Christian organization in the U.S. or met any Christian in the U.S. that objects to the U.S. government giving things like food stamps, medical assistance, and housing assistance to families in need.

I’ve also never read or heard about any situation where the U.S. government tried to force people in need to turn to the U.S. government instead of seeking help within their church. If anything, it is has been the other way around. Indeed, every Christian I know thinks the U.S. government should do all it can to help poverty level families in need.

August 28, 2011 at 2:03 p.m.
rick1 said...

lkeithlu you believe Chritsianity is not under assult?

How about having to use PC terms to replace of Chritsmas?

How about the ongoning effort to make Chritsmas as a symbol of intolerance?

Columnist Maureen Dowd "Christian conservatives to a vengeful mob, revved up by rectitude running around with torches and hatchets after heathens and pagans and infidels.”

Bill Moyers Christian fundamentalists who "may believe that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed -- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming apocalypse."

Maureen Dowd, “Slapping the Other Cheek,” New York Times, November 14, 2004. Quoted in I Can't Believe You Said That! by Fred Gielow, p.116.

http://www.boatkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/paddle/1075/Bill-Moyers-on-environment-politics-and-Christian-fundamentalists

August 28, 2011 at 2:11 p.m.
hambone said...

rick1, Eisenhower was left of center compared to today's republicans.

And the democrats of Eisenhower's day were more like the Tea Party of today!!

August 28, 2011 at 2:28 p.m.
MTJohn said...

lkeithlu said...

rick1, Christianity isn't under assault. Has anyone been jailed for being a Christian or going to church?

O contraire! Christianity is, indeed, under attack! Christianity has been assaulted by people who call themselves Christians but have remade Christ in the image of Ayn Rand.

August 28, 2011 at 2:35 p.m.
MTJohn said...

rick1 said...

Eisenhower signed the Civil Rights Act of 1960 after a 125 hour fillbuster by 18 Senate Democracts.

Today's Republican party would embrace those 18 Senate Democrats. Eisenhower would not be welcome.

August 28, 2011 at 2:45 p.m.
hambone said...

Those stalwarts of the republican party, Strom Thurman and Jesse Helms were democratic segragationists in the '50s.

Today they would embrace the Tea Party!

August 28, 2011 at 3:14 p.m.
rick1 said...

I would suggest you take a look at reacisit views of liberals, progressives, or what ever you call yourself this week, before making comments about the Tea Party and Repbulicans:

A professor from Yale looked at voting patterns of Demcracts and Republicans on black candidates and here were the results: "White Republicans nationally are 25 percentage points more likely on average to vote for the Democratic senatorial candidate when the GOP hopeful is black. ...In House races, white Democrats are 38 percentage points less likely to vote Democratic if their candidate is black."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/13/AR2006041301776.html

Another study by a professor from Standford was conducted on how much government largesse Democrats and Republicans believe people deserved to be given after Katrina. Guess what, Democrats behaved in a racist fashion while Republicans didn't"

"But for Democrats, race mattered -- and in a disturbing way. Overall, Democrats were willing to give whites about $1,500 more than they chose to give to a black or other minority...." Republicans are likely to be more stringent, both in terms of money and time, Iyengar said. "However, their position is 'principled' in the sense that it stems from a strong belief in individualism (as opposed to handouts). Thus their responses to the assistance questions are relatively invariant across the different media conditions. Independents and Democrats, on the other hand, are more likely to be affected by racial cues."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/22/AR2006062201474.html

August 28, 2011 at 3:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

How about having to use PC terms to replace of Chritsmas?

No one is telling you that you can't say Merry Christmas. Tell me of ONE person who has lost this freedom of speech.

How about the ongoning effort to make Chritsmas as a symbol of intolerance?

Care to back that up with evidence?

Columnist Maureen Dowd "Christian conservatives to a vengeful mob, revved up by rectitude running around with torches and hatchets after heathens and pagans and infidels.”

Last I heard, freedom of speech and press are preserved in the US. Just because a columnist says something you don't like it doesn't mean the government is trying to suppress your religious freedom.

Bill Moyers Christian fundamentalists who "may believe that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed -- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming apocalypse."

Again, Bill Moyers is a TV journalist. How does anything he says deny Christians the right to worship as they desire?

Curious how you can turn what people say (as is their right) into some conspiracy to remove religious freedom in the US. Do you come by this paranoia naturally or is it induced?

August 28, 2011 at 3:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

timbo,

I agree with your 11:59 post. I didn't vote for either parties candidate either. I am still not ready for another Texan after Lyndon Johnson and George Bush. I do think Obama may be the most incompetent in history but don't see any Republican that is up to the job either.

Economically we are probably past the tipping point and current plans of either party doesn't really address the root cause of the problems with the U.S. economy. Many posting here don't won't to know the truth and won't accept there is going to be a lot of pain and changes different than Obama promised if there is to be any hope. Politicians that understand the dilemma have to decide between doing what is right and not being elected again while ignorant peers don't understand and keep insisting on more of the same and gain popularity.

Anyone under age 50 may want to start to learning to speak fluent Chinese with some grasp of the many dialects in the language.

August 28, 2011 at 4:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Another stupid cartoon from Clay Bennett. What a joke!

This leftist formula is getting mind numbingly boring, "anyone who does not subscribe to leftist dogma is crazy, the more they disagree with leftist dogma the more crazy they are".

Anyone the left tries to label "crazy" is a threat to the leftist agenda. That is all you can learn from Clay's cartoon, he is afraid of Rick Perry.

Soon we will be rid of Obama. For the good of the United States I hope that whoever gets the Republican nomination will be conservative enough to hold on to their principles in the corrupting environment of Washington.

Ron Paul in 2012!

August 28, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Dear Timbo,

No.

August 28, 2011 at 5:30 p.m.
MTJohn said...

BRP - any candidate who is not already corrupt stands no chance of gaining the Republican nomination.

August 28, 2011 at 5:31 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "That is all you can learn from Clay's cartoon, he is afraid of Rick Perry."

Any politician who goes out of his way to help someone build an enormous radioactive waste dump on top of a crucial underground water supply sounds pretty darn scary to me.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/why_perry_hates_regulators_theyre_bad_for_his_business_20110825/

August 28, 2011 at 5:35 p.m.
moonpie said...

MT John,

I love your posts. You have a quiet wisdom about you.

On another note, things seem a lot more civil around here lately. That's good to see.

August 28, 2011 at 5:40 p.m.
timbo said...

sandyonsignal..... "No." is not a sentence. It is a sentence fragment.

"Traditional teaching tells us a "true" sentence should contain several components. From a strict grammatical standpoint, that is correct. The Oxford English Reference Dictionary defines one interpretation of a sentence as: "A set of words complete in itself as the expression of a thought, containing or implying a subject and a predicate, and conveying a statement, question, exclamation, or command." Without getting into the details, for explanatory purposes, the Oxford English Reference Dictionary defines:

A subject as: "Any noun, or its equivalent, about which a sentence is predicated and with which the verb agrees." Example: Jane went home. ("Jane" is the subject). A predicate as: "What is said about the subject of a sentence." Example: Jane went home ("...went home" is the predicate). A verb as: "A word used to indicate an action, state or occurrence forming the main part of the predicate of a sentence." Example: Jane went home ("went" is the verb)."

Learn your subject before you attempt to instruct others smart ass.

August 28, 2011 at 6:17 p.m.
timbo said...

harp3339....Yes, we are probably past the tipping point. I have changed my behavior accordingly. Things have to be done to get ready.

These posts and others have shown me though, that the democrat/liberals are probably more dangerous on the the smaller issues. I despise both parties but the democrats are so crazy they will accelerate the decline. I need 3-5 years to get ready. These guys I am sparring with now, they don't have a clue what is coming. Makes it easier for the people who do.

August 28, 2011 at 6:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn said... "any candidate who is not already corrupt stands no chance of gaining the Republican nomination."

And you think that is a special characteristic of Republican candidates?

August 28, 2011 at 6:28 p.m.
Tmbrwlfofga said...

As President Clinton said, "That Rick Perry is a good looking rascal..." He governs a state that has a legislature that only meets every other year....Under Rick Perry, Texas was near the top in job growth. However, it should be noted that there was a sizable reduction in average wages. A super majority of the jobs created were minimum wage jobs, that were created by new Wal-marts, McDonalds, and summer farmhand jobs. If he gets elected, I can't wait to get a second job! The Sarah Palin nuts will flee Perry when she gets into the race next month. I can't wait for the Hippocrates to begin!

August 28, 2011 at 6:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Tmbrwlfofga said... "it should be noted that there was a sizable reduction in average wages"

There was a sizable reduction in average wages nationally. I've heard this statement made in responce the Texas job growth several times. Do you know where one can the find statistics?

August 28, 2011 at 9:08 p.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo said... harp3339....Yes, we are probably past the tipping point. I have changed my behavior accordingly. Things have to be done to get ready.

Are you building an ark, timbo?

August 28, 2011 at 9:15 p.m.
rolando said...

Harp -- I read a Forbes article the other day entitled, Why Amazon Can't Make A Kindle In the USA [It is available all over the Internet].

We no longer have the ability to build one here...our data, our research, our development people, our brainpower, our manufacturing, our ability to make the tools to create one have all moved overseas. Before we get the ability back, too much must happen that never will.

There is one ray of hope -- Apple Inc. Apparently, they control all aspects of the manufacture of their products right down to the component level.

But we, the USA, can't even wage war without the Asians and the Indians...they make all the chips, monitor screens, apps, etc. That is simply beyond us these days.

We are well past the tipping point; we are running on habit and reputation...nothing else. I never thought I would live to see this day or make that statement...there is still a bit of time left, so perhaps I won't, God willing.

Take Care.

August 28, 2011 at 9:48 p.m.
rolando said...

In a manner of speaking, dude, yes, it sounds like he is.

Noah was quite well prepared -- but you probably don't subscribe to that, so good luck with the swimming.

By the way, it is fire this time...

August 28, 2011 at 9:51 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tmbrwlfoga said: "Under Rick Perry, Texas was near the top in job growth. However, it should be noted that there was a sizable reduction in average wages. A super majority of the jobs created were minimum wage jobs, that were created by new Wal-marts, McDonalds, and summer farmhand jobs."

I’ve also read that many of the new jobs that Perry is touting has occurred in the government sector, which is interesting in view of Perry’s anti-government rhetoric.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2011/08/16/how-rick-perry-created-jobs-in-texas

August 28, 2011 at 9:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Thank you for the link mountainlaurel. Even though Perry's performance beats Obama's hands down, it is hard to trust him considering how much support he is getting from the national Republican machine. If the conservative media/machine was not fawning over him would he be in the lead? I think not.

Ron Paul 2012!

August 28, 2011 at 10:29 p.m.
Rufus_T_Firefly said...

Bryan Fischer co hosted the Houston Preyer Breakfast with Mr. Perry.

Birds of a feather flock together.

If you look at the Scriptures, I believe it's clear that God has designed men to exercise authority in the home, in the church, in society, and in government. So let me repeat that - that is my personal take on what the Scriptures indicate about the way God has designed man and woman to work: God has designed men to exercise leadership and authority and headship in the home, in the church, in society, and in government.

Now then the question becomes what if God can't find any men with the spine and with the testicular fortitude to provide the kind of leadership? Well, what he'll do is He'll send a woman to do a man's job.

-Bryan Fischer

August 28, 2011 at 10:36 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick1 posted:"White Republicans nationally are 25 percentage points more likely on average to vote for the Democratic senatorial candidate when the GOP hopeful is black. ...In House races, white Democrats are 38 percentage points less likely to vote Democratic if their candidate is black."

Bull crap!! How many races involve GOP candidates that are black, number one, and number two, there is no way you're going to convince me that Democrats depart from their party strictly due to the race of a black candidate.

It's a made up statistic.

""But for Democrats, race mattered -- and in a disturbing way. Overall, Democrats were willing to give whites about $1,500 more than they chose to give to a black or other minority...."

Sorry, don't buy that one either. Where is the proof? I can claim to be a professor at Stanford and write anything under the Sun, but without a source to prove it, it is worthless as presented and it deserves to be challenged.

August 28, 2011 at 11:08 p.m.
timbo said...

dude_abides...Yea, of sorts. A financial ark that will mean I can make money even in a depression. Have a place to produce food and fuel. To take your family if the manure hits the fan. Make fun all you want, but most businessmen know that this debt situation cannot be sustained.

If I am wrong, no harm done. If we are right it could be the difference in prospering or going under.

August 28, 2011 at 11:10 p.m.
timbo said...

alprova....If you want to see where the racism really is, the last election prove it once and for all. In Bill Clinton's election he basically in 1992 he got 83% and in 1996, 81% of the black vote. In the 2000 election Al Gore got only 81% of the black vote. In 2004, Kerry 88% of the black vote. In 2008, Barack Obama got 96% of the black vote. McCain got 4 %. Not only that 40% of whites voted for Obama proving that his race had nothing to do with anything for the white voter.

Blacks like Colon Powell, a so called republican, and Oprah Winfrey supported Obama. Oprah had never supported anyone before and would not let Sarah Palin come on her show like she had other candidates.

These numbers make it obvious that black people are more racist than whites. 96% of anybody is a huge amount. This commonality of voting when the race is the same as the voter is only explained by racism.

I know, I know, you will use a thousand excuses justifying this racism but it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Black people need to come to grips with their own racism. White racism has diminished while black racism has increased. Go figure.

August 28, 2011 at 11:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "alprova....If you want to see where the racism really is, the last election prove it once and for all. In Bill Clinton's election he basically in 1992 he got 83% and in 1996, 81% of the black vote. In the 2000 election Al Gore got only 81% of the black vote. In 2004, Kerry 88% of the black vote. In 2008, Barack Obama got 96% of the black vote. McCain got 4 %. Not only that 40% of whites voted for Obama proving that his race had nothing to do with anything for the white voter."

And the political leanings of each man had nothing at all to do with it, right? It was ONLY about skin color, right?

"Blacks like Colon Powell, a so called republican, and Oprah Winfrey supported Obama. Oprah had never supported anyone before and would not let Sarah Palin come on her show like she had other candidates."

You refer to Colin Powell as a "so called" Republican, yet you want to infer that Blacks may like the man strictly for his skin color.

Oprah is allowed, as a free woman over the age of 21, to reject anyone she so desires on her show. Sarah Palin evokes one of two reactions from people. Either people like her or they detest everything about her.

Again, you're trying to state that Oprah rejected Sarah Palin due to her skin color and that is pure bunk. Oprah is an avid Democrat. Sarah Palin is a far right-wing conservative. It's her politics that people do not like when they find her repulsive, not her skin color.

"These numbers make it obvious that black people are more racist than whites. 96% of anybody is a huge amount. This commonality of voting when the race is the same as the voter is only explained by racism."

What percentage of black people vote Republican? According to a 2004 study, 13.7% of blacks identified themselves as "Conservative" or "Extremely Conservative" with another 14.4% identifying as slightly conservative. However the same study found that less than ten percent of blacks identified themselves as being Republican or Republican leaning in any manner.

It's not about race. It's about the way Republicans are viewed, and in the black community, Republicans are well known for not doing a thing for the poor and for minorities. What do we fight about in here all the time? What do our representatives fight about all the time? It's about who does what for what group of people, sorted by certain demographic distinctions. The LAST consideration is to accept or reject a candidate based on their race, by anybody.

August 29, 2011 at 5:11 a.m.
fairmon said...

timbo,

Nothing to worry about. There will not be enough voters realize or accept reality to interfere with preparation time. You know the mind has an ability to block out things that are unpleasant. The current disagreement is over reducing the deficit, not eliminating it. There is no mention of reducing the debt, only slowing the rate of increase.

Why is the debt a problem? 413 billion annual interest on the debt is equal to the amounts spent by the departments of human services, DOT, HUD, homeland security, agriculture, veterans affairs, commerce, labor, energy, justice and the small business administration COMBINED. Since 1988 over 8 trillion interest has been paid with a large percent going to foreign countries helping their economy not ours. The budget office says by 2021 interest on the debt will reach 1.1 trillion per year, which is 1.5X more than now spent on defense. By 2046 interest will equal 100% of current revenue. If congress stopped spending and paid 100 million per day on the debt it would take around 389 years to pay it off.

We have become an aggressor nation, willing to get involved in every skirmish in the world under the pretense of humanitarian reasons to keep the industrial military complex consumption an integral part of the economy. And, to assure a steady flow of oil.

Many think fleecing the rich will solve the problem but it wouldn't make a good ripple. It is naive to think the wealthy in either party will increase their own taxes enough to matter. There is no solid plan to increase employment and too many not capable of or becoming capable of filling many of the jobs that are available.

August 29, 2011 at 6:50 a.m.
fairmon said...

Why do local and state governments along with churches and charities not assume the federal government spending on welfare? They can't borrow 42 cents of every dollar spent or print money. They can't confiscate more contributions they depend on voluntary contributions that the federal government will soon not allow as a tax deduction although it should be a tax reduction. Congress is rapidly increasing the number that are dependent with the rate of increase in dependence to continue. A tremendous amount of welfare is hidden and called something other than welfare. IE. earned income credit where people get a return much greater than taxes paid. Medicare paid from the general fund in excess of premiums and medical taxes paid by those still working. Social security is solvent but congress likes to lump together social security, medicare and disability and call them entitlements to avoid the unpleasant truths.

August 29, 2011 at 7:06 a.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo... Will you use the same armed guards to keep your food and fuel secure that you use now to guard your property? You know how persistent we hungry people (that should have listened to you and voted for some wack-job-opportunist-teabag-dragging-hairspray-statue-candidate) can be. Better conscript an army of guards to fend off the 69% of the population that disapprove of you bag-draggers. No trucks get into the compound unless they have tea bags hanging from the ball hitch!

August 29, 2011 at 9:40 a.m.
potcat said...

`` Palin has been on the Oprah show.

August 29, 2011 at 9:58 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "Better conscript an army of guards to fend off the 69% of the population that disapprove of you bag-draggers."

dude continues to show disturbing thought patterns. The entitlement mentality of the left leaves little doubt that they will not hesitate to resort to violence and plundering the prepared. Their entitlement programs destroy the economy on the back of the producing class and then they feel they are entitled to every last shred of food and resources when the house of cards falls.

Is there no shame with this crowd? Is there no limit to the evil they will advocate for in the name of wealth envy?

August 29, 2011 at 11:10 a.m.
MTJohn said...

BRP - the entitlement mentality of the right leaves little doubt that they believe they deserve that which they have accumulated by plundering those less fortunate than themselves.

August 29, 2011 at 11:41 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn said... "...accumulated by plundering those less fortunate than themselves"

Are you saying that if someone earns a good living, pays taxes and is smart enough to prepare for bad times that they are guilty of plundering the poor man?

That would be wealth envy to a degree that I have not witnessed before. It sounds like you want absolute income equality. Am I reading you wrong?

August 29, 2011 at 11:52 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Once again, the King of Hixson Pike exhibits the survivalist, circle the wagons, I got mine attitude of the legend-in-their-own-mind class of conservatives that wander around the Bastille mumbling and counting their gold coins. I think you people would be better served to keep your Red Dawn plans out of the public domain, where we unappreciative serfs might learn your strategies and passwords! I just hope, if this situation goes "Donner Pass", that there's enough of you to last us a week or two. Of course, if you all poisoned yourselves, you'd be tainted and absolutely off the menu! So...

At least timbo showed in a previous post that he knows how to make tea.

Listen, I would like to rescind the use of the term bag-dragger. It's just too damn funny (bearing in mind timbo's aforementioned tea making seminar) and I just cannot take your apparently heartfelt posts seriously when I associate that term with you. It evokes visualizations of what your secessionist flag might look like: A snake with a tea bag suspended, like, three quarters of the way to it's tail (sorry, not well versed on snake anatomy/genitalia location)!

August 29, 2011 at 12:11 p.m.

MTJohn, I haven't seen any Republican pirate ships pulling up to the trailer parks or projects stealing their welfare cards. You don't seem to understand what the word entitlement means. Why don't you start using words the way they were meant to be used?

"BRP - the entitlement mentality of the regressives leaves little doubt that they believe they deserve that which they have accumulated by plundering the public coffers which were filled by our Robin Hood wannabe govt."

There. I fixed it for you.

August 29, 2011 at 12:11 p.m.
dude_abides said...

flypurple...define pludering. There. You can fix that, now.

August 29, 2011 at 12:15 p.m.
hambone said...

BuRP, Most of those you refer to as the "producing class" are 1 paycheck away from having to fall back on those entitlement programs you hate so much!!

August 29, 2011 at 12:15 p.m.

Thanks dude! Glad that was the only thing you could find to correct in my comment.

August 29, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

You are absolutely welcome. I'm sure MTJohn appreciates your constructive, sincere criticism of his post! I'm glad we're all friends and not afraid to admit it when we get schooled while riding our high horse.

August 29, 2011 at 12:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

mntl said...

Indeed, every Christian I know thinks the U.S. government should do all it can to help poverty level families in need.

Of course they do. Those selfish, greedy, hypocritical cathedral building Mercedes and Lexus drivers prefer the government confiscate from others to do the good work they should do. Most of those professing to be Christians are about as christian as I am qualified to be the pope and I am not even catholic.

The problem is that no one, especially the mega wealthy with all the loop holes, is paying enough taxes and more than half pay zero. Another problem is government inefficiency, out of line compensation compared to the private sector for like work and waste on programs that have nothing to do with helping those that can't help themselves, improving the economy or the environment. Of course those paying zero will support any offer of more or protection of all the freebies possible. There is a major difference in people in need and people in greed. A lot like are you in love or in heat?

Three oil wars with the pretense of being altruistic and for peoples rights don't help either.

August 29, 2011 at 12:49 p.m.
MTJohn said...

FPSE - the pirate ship is in the form of lack of regulation and the lack of enforcement of regulations that are on the books.

If we were doing a remake of Robin Hood, Rick Perry would be cast as Prince John and BRP would be the Sheriff of Nottingham.

August 29, 2011 at 1:57 p.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

Are you saying that if someone earns a good living, pays taxes and is smart enough to prepare for bad times that they are guilty of plundering the poor man?

I'm saying, "follow the money" and do so all the way back to its source. We live in a country that developed an economic system that favored the interests of the northern European immigrants over the interests of indigenous peoples; that favored the interests of slave owners over the interests of slaves; that favored the interests of landowners over the interests of those without land; that favored the interests of men over the interests of women and a system that continues to favor the interests of management over the interests of labor; that favors the interests of first world industrialists over the interests of citizens of third world countries; that favors the interests of lenders over the interests of borrowers; etc.

It is not possible to participate in our economy, make a decent living and prepare for the future without benefiting from the intentional inequities that are at the foundation of our economic system.

August 29, 2011 at 2:08 p.m.
potcat said...

Oprah has said she voted for "a Bush" but would not say which one.

So timboo get the FACTS straight, and quit lying all over the place.

August 29, 2011 at 2:11 p.m.
dude_abides said...

potcat... please don't mention that name! I was nauseated last night watching the most recent republican President try to damage control his chicken hearted reaction to 9/11. What an embarrassment. He left his wife and girls in Washington for hours before he "put his foot down" and "demanded" to be taken back to D.C. from the war zone in Nebraska. I expected that there would be some new info explaining how he wasn't allowed, as President, to go into a dangerous zone, but no... he could've and did go back to D.C. when it suited him.

August 29, 2011 at 2:24 p.m.
hambone said...

Damn L4F when was the last time you burned a cross.

You seem to be getting a little testy!!

August 29, 2011 at 3:44 p.m.
timbo said...

dude_abides.... Well, protecting our means of production is part of it. By the way, you already voted for a whack job named Obama. If we have to protect our families and what we have, we have the means to do so.

People like you can go to the Obama soup kitchens. I hope you like SPAM.

August 29, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.
timbo said...

alprova.....you said, "Oprah is allowed, as a free woman over the age of 21, to reject anyone she so desires on her show. Sarah Palin evokes one of two reactions from people. Either people like her or they detest everything about her."

Again, if Oprah was being fair and had already let every other candidate through the years on her show and then excersised her "free and 21 years" thing in just this one case. What a coincidence.

You said, "What percentage of black people vote Republican? According to a 2004 study, 13.7% of blacks identified themselves as "Conservative" or "Extremely Conservative" with another 14.4% identifying as slightly conservative. However the same study found that less than ten percent of blacks identified themselves as being Republican or Republican leaning in any manner."

You just proved my point, people who say they are conservative, 10% of the 13.7% of black conservative voted for Obama. Another coincidence? No, it was black racism. Just admit and you can overcome.

August 29, 2011 at 4:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn said... "It is not possible to participate in our economy, make a decent living and prepare for the future without benefiting from the intentional inequities that are at the foundation of our economic system."

MTJohn, I am sorry to hear you hate your country so much! I wonder if you would feel the same way if you grew up in a period before the leftists screwed it up.

August 29, 2011 at 5:01 p.m.

Obama's approval rating continues to fall so it may not matter who is the Republican candidate. As it stands today it's Anybody 47% and Obama 43%.

Anybody folks. Anybody is ahead of the sitting POTUS.

August 29, 2011 at 5:11 p.m.
dude_abides said...

blondbutnotquiet:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/photos/2010/apr/16/164048/

not to be confused with blondbutnotdumb... except for the common political beliefs

August 29, 2011 at 5:12 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "Once again, the King of Hixson Pike exhibits the survivalist, circle the wagons, I got mine attitude of the legend-in-their-own-mind class of conservatives that wander around the Bastille mumbling and counting their gold coins"

dude, I guess that you did not buy any gold when Obama got elected. Jokes on you, betting on that brand of "CHANGE". If you did not subscribe to the victim mentality maybe you would be able to see more clearly.

Don't tell me you also bought a house and car that you could not afford and ran up a 5 figure credit card debt to boot, thinking that Obama was going to pay for your gas and your mortgage...

If, on the other hand, you knew that Obama would be a world class economy wrecker and spent the last 2-1/2 years paying down debt and building liquid reserves you are something to be ridiculed?

You would be really funny if your end was not going to be so tragic. I suggest you stop looking for someone else to take care of you and make a commitment to take care of yourself. It is not going to be fun trying to get by on government payments.

August 29, 2011 at 5:17 p.m.
dude_abides said...

behind her, in white, would be blondbutnotbelievingthissh!t

I believe blonderwoman is Bachmann's campaign manager.

August 29, 2011 at 5:17 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Silly person... do you believe that everyone who advocates for the needy is needy? This is yet another rash supposition on your part. Your problem is that every time you wrestle with your conscience, you win.

August 29, 2011 at 5:27 p.m.
timbo said...

Alprova.........I forgot 1 thing , oprah's ratings started down after 2008 . The reason she is quitting, she says , is that she wants to go out on top . After she chose sides, and supported obama and disrespected Palin and her ratings go down she decides to retire . The bottom line is she could not be trusted anymore to be fair. I guess that was just another coincidence . Oprah is a racist.

August 29, 2011 at 5:41 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “Of course they do. Those selfish, greedy, hypocritical cathedral building Mercedes and Lexus drivers prefer the government confiscate from others to do the good work they should do. Most of those professing to be Christians are about as christian as I am qualified to be the pope and I am not even catholic.”

Indeed, there does seem to be a lot of people in the U.S. masquerading as Christians, but I’ve never checked to see what kind of car they were driving, Harp3339. It’s the divisive hate rhetoric from the pulpit that has caught my attention. Speaking of which, I note that candidate Perry has been “praying” with some of the more notorious religious hate mongers:

"Texas Gov. Rick Perry today held The Response prayer rally, an event he organized with the the American Family Association, a group with a history of intolerance toward gays and lesbians, Muslims, Native Americans and progressives.

Along with Gov. Perry and Gov. Sam Brownback of Kansas, the event drew speakers from the extreme right, including James Dobson and John Hagee, whose statements about Catholics and Jews led John McCain to reject his endorsement in 2008.

The AFA has claimed that gays and lesbians are responsible for the Holocaust, that Native Americans deserved to be driven out of their lands, and that Muslims have no First Amendment rights. John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the 'great whore' and claimed that God sent Hitler to kill the Jews.”

http://www.pfaw.org/press-releases/2011/08/pfaw-rick-perrys-prayer-rally-sponsored-intolerance

August 29, 2011 at 5:50 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Jay Carney being asked today about Obama primary opposition....possibly from Hillary...the chorus is getting louder!!!!

August 29, 2011 at 5:52 p.m.
EaTn said...

Iowa today...Rick Perry again called social security a "Ponzi scheme". If you believe in self-fulfilled prophesy continue supporting Rick and his kind, and you will be guaranteed to get the SS shaft.

August 29, 2011 at 5:52 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "do you believe that everyone who advocates for the needy is needy?"

No, of course not! Funny though, I don't remember you ever advocating for the needy, only attacking tax payers.

August 29, 2011 at 6:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

brp...That may be your problem, repeating history because you don't remember it. I don't know which is sillier, you pushing your agenda in a state which is always a done deal electorally speaking, or me tilting at that selfsame windmill.

August 29, 2011 at 7:02 p.m.
fairmon said...

mntl,

You took all the fun out of our bantering. I agree regarding Perry. He is another Texan and as I have said after LBJ and GWB I can't stomach another Texas cowboy. I detest those that politic from the pulpit. I had a friend quit attending a church when the preacher said you can't be a christian and support Obama. My friend wasn't an Obama supporter but he didn't like the preachers talking politics. You know what I think of Obama but no preacher has any business using his position to advance either party or any candidate. I don't think churches should be exempt from taxes when they derive income from investments such as rental property and other investments unless they spend the profits on legitimate charitable causes. I know there are some exceptions, especially some small churches that go quietly about helping others, but they are few.

August 29, 2011 at 7:38 p.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn, I am sorry to hear you hate your country so much! I wonder if you would feel the same way if you grew up in a period before the leftists screwed it up.

How did you arrive at that conclusion. I love my country enough that I am not willing to ignore behavior that contradicts the principles upon which we are founded.

Here is a challenge for you, BRP, assuming that you are a Bible-believing Christian. Read the book of Amos and ask yourself how the prophet's words apply to this conversation. I'm suggesting an exercise in introspection - your answers are confidential between you and your Creator.

ps. What's on your DD214? Mine documents that I am a combat veteran with an honorable discharge. And, in case you are interested, I learned what it meant to be an American while Dwight Eisenhower was president.

August 29, 2011 at 8:22 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

L4F, Quote: “Now 90% of blacks are property of the DNC, it's a Progressive Plantation and ACORN holds the whip. Vote democrat, boy! It's good for you! LOL.”
Are you effing kidding me? I mean really, “90% of blacks are property of the DNC.” or “Vote democrat, boy.”
You just advertised your pointy white hood size - and you probably don’t even realize it. Did you know that the KKK is considered a terrorist organization? Your moniker is “Libertarian 4 Freedom”. You are neither a Libertarian nor a supporter of liberty or freedom. You are a terrorist. You can’t disguise what’s under your robe anymore, you’ve exposed yourself like any other cheap trench coat pervert. Ignorant, violent, filth.

August 29, 2011 at 9:07 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Social Security a Ponzi scheme? Let's see money had been taken (by force of law), money has been squandered, system depends on new, fresh money coming in to pay off obligations.....if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

August 29, 2011 at 10:13 p.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Why yez, Massa Obama, weez bee good chillun an gives yu everythin wee gotts! Ands I meenz EVERYTHINS!!

August 29, 2011 at 10:27 p.m.
dude_abides said...

child. yawn.

August 29, 2011 at 10:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn said... "It is not possible to participate in our economy, make a decent living and prepare for the future without (“plundering those less fortunate than themselves”)"

So you believe you cannot be anywhere near successful in this country without screwing over the “disadvantaged”. What is it that you like about this country, the geography? According to you, you are either indigent or taking advantage of the indigent. Quit pretending you love or even slightly like this country. If you are saying what you mean you can only like what you think leftists can make out of this country.

August 29, 2011 at 11:22 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

How a leftist tells his wife he loves her...

"You miserable…harpy! You really need to completely change who you are and start waiting on me hand and foot, you unappreciative, uncompassionate, selfish, harlot!"

August 29, 2011 at 11:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn... I am by no stretch a Perry fan but social security is a ponzi scheme. The only difference in social security and Madoff's scheme is he had to con people into investing so he could return a little to those he had already conned. The number involved kept increasing until he couldn't recruit enough new investors to pay the old ones. The only difference with social security is the government can and does require those working to contribute instead of having to con people into participating so they can pay those that previously joined and contributed but will receive a lot more than they put in. The number contributing per recipient keeps dropping until the present scheme won't work in about 20 years. It may better be described as a poorly designed and poorly managed insurance program.

Medicare is already broke. Worker medical taxes and medicare premiums cover only around .58 cents of each claim dollar so the remaining .42 cents has to be borrowed to cover all the claims. We can thank GWB for making it worse by adding prescription coverage without provisions for paying for it. Obama is lying through his teeth when he says the AHCA will not add cost and no new taxes.

August 29, 2011 at 11:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "Again, if Oprah was being fair and had already let every other candidate through the years on her show and then excersised her "free and 21 years" thing in just this one case. What a coincidence."

I'm quite sure that Oprah has denied many people space on her show over the three decades that she has been on the air. I would equally bet that none of them were denied to come on because they were white.

"You just proved my point, people who say they are conservative, 10% of the 13.7% of black conservative voted for Obama. Another coincidence? No, it was black racism. Just admit and you can overcome."

Boy, you are obtuse. Not everyone who is conservative, which has several meanings, align themselves with the Republican Party. Voting for Obama had everything to do with his politics, and very little, if any, with the color of his skin.

The proof to that is the fact that very few black Republicans draw a discernible amount of votes of any black voters who traditionally vote for Democrats.

You're arguing something that does not exist with any evidence whatsoever to back it up.

August 30, 2011 at 12:12 a.m.
alprova said...

bookieturnersghost wrote: "Obama's approval rating continues to fall so it may not matter who is the Republican candidate. As it stands today it's Anybody 47% and Obama 43%."

There are two things wrong with that poll and your assumptions.

It originated and exists on a right-wing site, full of people who are anti-Obama. Number two, Obama has a full year left before next election day.

A lot can and probably will change by then.

August 30, 2011 at 12:18 a.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "Alprova.........I forgot 1 thing , oprah's ratings started down after 2008 . The reason she is quitting, she says , is that she wants to go out on top . After she chose sides, and supported obama and disrespected Palin and her ratings go down she decides to retire . The bottom line is she could not be trusted anymore to be fair. I guess that was just another coincidence . Oprah is a racist."

First of all, Sarah Palin appeared on Oprah's show on November 16, 2009, so you're not very well versed in the facts regarding your original statement.

Second of all, Oprah's show left the airway with the distinction as being the number one talk show that has ever aired on television.

Ratings rise and they dip, according to what may be going on in the world at any given moment. Oprah is not immune to those too. The week that Michael Jackson died, her ratings plummeted.

But, nowhere on the www can it be found that her support of Barack Obama and any slight she may have showed toward Sarah Palin while the woman was campaigning, is or was responsible for any decline in her ratings.

Every show loses it's punch eventually, and hers kept punching for 25 years. Her last show was a ratings triumph. It scored a household rating of 13.3, the highest number for her show since 1994.

August 30, 2011 at 12:37 a.m.
acerigger said...

Al,,seems like we're forgetting the basics here,,,,,, DFTT!!

August 30, 2011 at 12:46 a.m.
timbo said...

alprova... I don't know about obtuse but you don't understand statistics. The fact is that when a black man ran for president an all time record was set for black voters in a presidential election. As a matter of fact 96% probably means 99% because some of the black voters might have made a mistake in who they marked. If that had happened and Obama go none of the white vote, you would have attributed that to racism.

Queen Oprah had Palin on AFTER THE ELECTION WHEN IT DIDN'T MATTER. Palin went on to push her book. Smart on her part.

Jeez, you just can't admit it can you?

Oprah sucks now, she sucked then, she has always sucked. Why anyone would watch that man bashing XXXXX I have no idea. She'll end up as some ambassador of an African country as her pay off for giving Obama free support. Another coincidence I suppose.

August 30, 2011 at 3:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

Timbo,

I never watched an Oprah show but it is hard to deny her success. She is one rich influential heffer and from what I have read she has contributed to several worthwhile causes although some are not in the U.S. I wonder if she thinks she should pay more taxes?

August 30, 2011 at 4:41 a.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Leftists. Yawn.

August 30, 2011 at 7:49 a.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

So you believe you cannot be anywhere near successful in this country without screwing over the “disadvantaged”.

BRP - it is impossible to have a conversation without someone who either cannot or refuses to read for understanding. In this case, you are arguing with your own misunderstanding and, by the way, you are losing that argument.

What I love about this country are the ideals for which we say that we stand - as I learned those ideals in grade school. I cannot love our ideals and then ignore the discrepancy between reality and the American ideals.

I'm not indigent and, like you, I have benefited from the intentional inequities in our economic system. By myself, I cannot fix those inequities. That, however, is no excuse to ignore them.

August 30, 2011 at 8:43 a.m.
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