published Tuesday, December 13th, 2011

Residents sign petition calling for Chattanooga Housing Authority police officers to be fired

Beaneit Seagrove, right, photographed with her fiance, Hector Martinez, in the East Lake Courts, has started a petition collecting more than 140 signatures from East Lake Courts residents to have three Chattanooga Housing Authority policemen fired for harassment.
Beaneit Seagrove, right, photographed with her fiance, Hector Martinez, in the East Lake Courts, has started a petition collecting more than 140 signatures from East Lake Courts residents to have three Chattanooga Housing Authority policemen fired for harassment.
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    Beaneit Seagrove, photographed with her fiancee Hector Martinez in the East Lake Courts, has started a petition collecting more than 140 signatures from East Lake Courts residents to have three Chattanooga Housing Authority police officers fired for harassment.
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Sixty East Lake Courts residents have signed a petition calling for three Chattanooga Housing Authority police officers to be fired.

Hector Martinez and his fiancee, Beaneit Seagrove, have gathered 140 signatures requesting that officers James Avery, Harriet White and Pete Gillen be fired from the CHA police force for harassing residents.

Sixty East Lake Courts residents signed the petition, CHA officials said. Seagrove said the other 80 signatures were from visitors to the site, including their friends and family.

"We are tired of the inappropriate actions that these officers take and are coming together as a community to ensure the safety of our residence," the petition states.

CHA officials said training will be provided to "all of the CHA police officers on communication with residents during encounters that are stressful to both the police and residents," according to a letter dated Nov. 1 and signed by Charles T. Barnett, Nashville Program Center director for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, which oversees CHA.

In his letter, Barnett wrote that, "We feel CHA is in compliance with programmatic requirements for administration of the public housing program and enforcing security for the safety of all families living on their properties."

Martinez said he wants Avery to be fired because Avery is training other officers to treat residents the same as he does.

"If we cussed at him like he cusses at us, we would go to jail," Martinez said.

Attempts to reach the three officers through the CHA police headquarters were unsuccessful Monday.

The petition and harassment accusations concerning Avery come about four months after CHA settled with public housing resident Crystal Ramsey after she filed a lawsuit stating that Avery "slapped her on the side of her face."

Ramsey asked for $200,000 in the suit. Terms of the settlement were not disclosed by either party.

Martinez and Seagrove claim Avery harassed them on five or six occasions from April 2010 until November 2011 when the couple moved out of East Lake Courts. Seagrove said Avery stopped the couple while they were driving and claimed it was in retaliation to complaints they had made about him to CHA officials.

She also said he stopped her without reason when she was driving alone, then slammed her driver's license on her car's dashboard so hard the dashboard cracked.

"I've never had somebody do something like that to me," Seagrove said. "I just froze. I started crying. I was just so upset because I had not experienced that before."

CHA Chief of Public Safety Felix Vess recently attended a meeting with Seagrove, Martinez and CHA Executive Director Betsy McCright. Vess noted that Martinez was on the CHA's trespassing list, which has the names of people who don't live in public housing but are seen on site without identification, which is against CHA rules.

Martinez also admitted during the meeting that he drove without a driver's license, but he claimed other officers stopped him because Avery said to do it.

Martinez has had long visits with Seagrove for nearly three years but wasn't on her lease until June 2011, about five months before they moved to another apartment that is not on public housing property.

Vess also noted that all five officers on CHA's staff, including Avery, said Martinez wasn't causing any problems on the site.

"Sometimes it's hard to ignore when people call you this or that or the other," said Vess.

"You have to know everybody is a person," he said. "You've got to treat that person like you'd like your mother to be treated."

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about Yolanda Putman...

Yolanda Putman has been a reporter at the Times Free Press for 11 years. She covers housing and previously covered education and crime. Yolanda is a Chattanooga native who has a master’s degree in communication from the University of Tennessee and a bachelor’s degree in journalism from Alabama State University. She previously worked at the Lima (Ohio) News. She enjoys running, reading and writing and is the mother of one son, Tyreese. She has also ...

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larwilb60 said...

"CHA Chief of Public Safety Felix Vess recently attended a meeting with Seagrove, Martinez and CHA Executive Director Betsy McCright. Vess noted that Martinez was on the CHA's trespassing list, which has the names of people who don't live in public housing but are seen on site without identification, which is against CHA rules."

ON CHA'S TRESPASSING LIST for breaking CHA rules!

"Martinez also admitted during the meeting that he drove without a driver's license, but he claimed other officers stopped him because Avery said to do it."

Why hasnt he been arrested for driving without a license like anyone else would be? IS HE LEGAL?

"Martinez has had long visits with Seagrove for nearly three years but wasn't on her lease until June 2011, about five months before they moved to another apartment that is not on public housing property."

WHAT CONSTITUTES LONG visits? Was he living there against the rules? Is he LEGAL? Is he a US Citizen or green card holder?

Let me see here: 1. "Vess noted that Martinez was on the CHA's trespassing list" 2. "Martinez also admitted during the meeting that he drove without a driver's license" 3. " Martinez has had long visits with Seagrove for nearly three years but wasn't on her lease"

Sounds to me like CHA Police are only enforcing the rules on the books...since Martinez brought this up maybe ICE should investigate?

These guys have a hard enough job to do with all the crime in Public Housing! The last thing they need is some ILLEGAL that feels they should be fired for doing their job! When is Tennessee gonna see the light like Georgia and Alabama did? Look around at all the ILLEGALS swarming into this area because of the new laws to the south! Look around at any construction job, roofing jobs. etc and tell me how many NON LATINOs you see...they are taking JOBS!

December 13, 2011 at 6:28 a.m.
mrredskin said...

that's a very protruding dashboard if he was able to slam her ID onto it with enough force for it to crack. also, was it made of peanut brittle?

December 13, 2011 at 7:40 a.m.

YET AGAIN, in another article that has anything to do with someone who's possibly Hispanic or has the last name Martinez, commenter’s want to question his immigration status (larwilb60). I'm sure if he was "illegal" they would have mentioned that in the article seeing how immigration is such a hot topic right now. And the last time I checked, it wasn't a crime to get a tattoo (payingattention), I don't live in public housing but I work two jobs just to make ends meet and my husband works full time as well so getting something like a tattoo after paying out nearly 85% of your check to bills/food/shelter is something you have to do to keep yourself from getting depressed or insane. Some people buy beer, some get tattoos, I buy art supplies, who cares?! How do you know they didn't get their tattoos long before they moved into public housing, and if this economy keeps up the way it is nearly half the US is a pay check away from being in the same boat, show some empathy! And to (mrredskin)I hope your being sarcastic because I would hate think that out of the entire statement where a woman, driving alone, was stopped without cause was harassed, frightened, and made to cry by a police officer that you choose to focus on the dashboard.....I really hope none of you previous commenter’s are Chattanooga residents, I like to think we're better than that here.

December 13, 2011 at 8 a.m.
Justreading said...

I applaud the work these officers are doing. Continue to enforce the rules and harass known criminals, maybe it will cause them to go somewhere else. Good job, you deserve a award, not a hearing.

December 13, 2011 at 8:03 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

larwlb60, I say lets make a rule that you can't come into my neighborhood without identification. In fact, let's make it so you can't come into the city without identification, but to make it legal, let's put up a examination stations on US-27, I-75 and I-24 so we can stop everyone coming in to be sure they have ID. Let's set up officers at grocery stores to examine each person for ID and bar entry to those without it. To really make it iron-clad, let's put police at every church door in the city and refuse entry to everyone without ID. That ought to solve the problem. We'll have a really safe and secure country then!

December 13, 2011 at 8:10 a.m.
senyahc said...

Since when was Public Housing a place that you lived in for the security? I thought the goal was to live there short term, get on your feet, move out. Seems like these officers are helping them make that decision with their retarded bullying.

December 13, 2011 at 8:17 a.m.
ldurham said...

The photo caption says they're married, the article says they're engaged. Yolanda/TFP, don't worry about the facts. It's just a newspaper.

December 13, 2011 at 8:23 a.m.
prairiedog said...

You must really need a job as a cop to take one in the low rent district. Why would a person work there unless he just enjoyed the opportunity to "bust on" a population more likely to provide opportunities for a cop to exercise his pitiful little "power."

December 13, 2011 at 8:26 a.m.

payingattention, I agree with saving as well, dont get me wrong, however, as stated before, we don't know that they didn't have their tattoos before they were in public housing, I get sooo sick an tired of people looking down on anyone who gets assistance. Yes, you have some people that work the system but not all. I pray that if your family is every down and out people show you more kindness and dont jump to conclusions about what you should/should be doing with your money!

December 13, 2011 at 8:27 a.m.
ImTellinYa said...

plsopenurmindb4uspk, the long visits suggest the guy was living there for three years, getting assistance with housing, illegally. This type of thing is rampant. Spending money on extras just isn't responsible if you can't afford the basics. That too is rampant. I get riled up when seeing the type of electronics in the homes of some Section 8 assisted rent housing. You buy beer, tattoos or art supplies AFTER you can afford the basics. About the dashboard, I too was perplexed at this statement of anyone having the ability to crack a dashboard from outside the car with a hand and a drivers license. I mean really! It is a questioning of the entire story when something this absurd is used as a reason. inquiringmind - when people are living in public housing paid for by other peoples taxes, then they have to be monitored for scamming the system, like allowing other people to live on their assistance, illegally. There is also a pesky little problem if increased crime in those housing units. Neighborhood watches are good, but not enough if there is a huge problem. payingattention - It is such a double edged sword for the people on public assistance. They are penalized for saving. Finding the magic number of when they can afford to pay their own bills is tough, and I empathize with that.

December 13, 2011 at 8:33 a.m.
lookinfour said...

payingattention...those are prison tattoos, they don't cost money...just a couple packs of cigarettes....geez

It's all about "entitlement'. I'm all for a short boost of help when someone is down and out, but public housing isn't about that. It's a way of life for most of the people who call the projects home.

December 13, 2011 at 8:53 a.m.
enufisenuf said...

payingattention, go do some research on the cost of tattoos. They could be anywhere from free on up depending on who does them. Your an idiot

December 13, 2011 at 9:13 a.m.
ImTellinYa said...

payingattention - Yes the scammers can save the money, and probably already have more than those scraping by on their own with no public assistance. It's those who really play by the rules that I am referring to.

December 13, 2011 at 9:46 a.m.
ScoopAway said...

And people wonder why the crime rate is so high there! All of the officers should receive awards not face a hearing. Im completely baffled as to the people that will stand up and fight for their right to be trouble makers. I wonder if they have contributed any good to the eastlake community.

December 13, 2011 at 10:05 a.m.
Lr103 said...

At least two of those three officers' names look very familiar. White was in the news recently for being instrumental in getting a tenants lease terminated, then is alleged to have been overheard bragging about it in court, I finally got her!

Avery is said to have run over a child while in his patrol car in E. Lake and simply took off. Isn't that considered a hit and run?

They're all alleged to be bursting up into tenants apartments with any warrants or probable cause. I'm told any tenants who files a complaint against them becomes a target and are retaliated against. Usually in the form of continous harassment, bogus arrests, family members being placed on the no trespassing list, and steps being taken to terminate their lease.

Understand this, most of your housing authority cops are regets from other police depts. elsewhere. They were likely considered unfit-for-duty, or were being investigated for other serious infractions by I.A. While under investigation, they were likely advised to resign in order to halt the investigation by their union reps or supervisors. That way nothing will be on their record and they can go anywhere, get a job in policing and continue on with their practices. One of the officers I recognize came to Chattanooga after leaving an Alabama police force. The question is why? Remember Eric Reeves, the housing authority cop who shot that child in E Lake a few years back, came to Chattanooga after leaving the police force in Knoxville. They claim he simply resigned and came to Chattanooga for better pay? WTF?!! Last I heard, they were trying to find him to serve a murder warrant for the death of the child in E. Lake. He's suddenly vanished from the face of the earth. Likely, CHA police are helping him hide out, believing the things will die down and go away.

December 13, 2011 at 10:09 a.m.
Lr103 said...

prairiedog said... You must really need a job as a cop to take one in the low rent district.

Read my long post above. Housing Authority police are usually regets from other police departments. They've usually gotten into trouble, or just weren't considered fit for duty, at some other police department around the country. Public housing is a great place for them to hide out until things cool down, or where they can continue on with whatever they resigned for or was force to leave or allowed to quietly leave from some other police department. Chattanooga Housing Authority, and I suspect other public housings, has had a long reputation for hiring bad cops or incompetent cops who've been let go from other police agencies around the country.

Just because someone is poor and living in public housing doesn't mean they have to agree to be terrorized by cops. They have rights just like the rest of us.

@payingattention you really need to leave your comfort-zone and interact with the real world instead of jumping to conclusions. Some people do their own tatoos, some may have a friend to do them. Like another poster suggested, some have had them done while serving time in prison or jail. Get off the EVERYONE'S MILKING THE SYSTEM rhetoric for a change.

December 13, 2011 at 10:18 a.m.
thesmartguy said...

Is that a teardrop tattoo I see on his eye? Doesn't that mean he's killed someone?

December 13, 2011 at 10:27 a.m.
lookinfour said...

It's so nice to see there is taxpayer subsidized internet service at E Lake Courts. It seems like half of posts here are coming from residents from those homes. The liberal mentality of entitlement is coming through very, very strong. My thought for these people is that public housing is supposed to be a very short term solution to your problem, so look at the bright side, you'll be moving out soon and paying for your own homes. You'll be able to pay your own rent and you'll be able to turn in that free Safelink cell phone I've been paying for as well. Great incentive to me.

December 13, 2011 at 10:32 a.m.
Lr103 said...

lookinfour said... It's so nice to see there is taxpayer subsidized internet service at E Lake Courts

Just because someone is willing to speak up and out on behalf of the poor doesn't mean they live in public housing. Such an ignorant, but not surprising statement, coming from you.

You should be more concerned about that 7.7 trillion your tax dollars went to bailout those wealthy fatkats who own private jets and several mansions.

December 13, 2011 at 10:51 a.m.
lookinfour said...

Lr103...if this thread was about the 7.7 trillion bailout I would discuss that but it's not. We're talking about the entitlement so many believe they are due in the projects. I'm all for helping people who are down an out, but not being a lifelong solution to those who live there. The government doesn't seem to give people incentives to move out of the projects, so maybe the conditions and the problems they have to deal with will be.

December 13, 2011 at 11:09 a.m.
Lr103 said...

lookinfour said... Lr103...if this thread was about the 7.7 trillion bailout I would discuss that but it's not. We're talking about the entitlement so many believe they are due in the projects

As the topic is not about someone living in public housing receiving entitlement either, but about whether CHA cops are stepping over the line and abusing citizen. Yet, you and your cohorts coulnd't miss the opportunity to throw in my tax-payer money non-sense. This is about abuse of power. And cops who routinely take advantage of their position and abuse poor citizens are more likely to abuse you and me, given the chance. They are also more likely to be domestic abusers.

The fact that you seem to think a 7.7 trillion bailout for the fatcats isn't an entitlement of the worse kind proves you're not wrapped too tight.

The projects, as you like to refer them, is no different than where you or I live. Some of your next door neighbors, possibly even you, are receiving some form of subsidizing from the federal government. Even if it's the job you're working in the private sector the government had to provide some kind of entitlement in order to get them to hire you.

If there's any waste it comes in the form of why HUD felt the need for its own police department in the first place. In more than 99% of the cases the city police is called to the scene anyway. That's where your outrage should be. Where do you think the money comes from for HUD to create its own police in the first place? Your and my tax dollars you and others are screaming about here. That money could have been better spent in the way of job training skills or provide onsite jobs for the tenants.

HUD hiring its own police force seems to be for hiring reject cops from other police agencies those agencies no longer want, but can't fully get rid of by exposing their personnel files so no other agency will hire them due to police unions fighting.

Avery use to be a Chatttanooga police officer(as recent as 2006). Why he left that job to become a housing authority cop is questionable. When cops seem to move around a lot from one agency to another usually there's something else going on. Other police agencies are finally realizing the damahe bad cops have reaped on them and are finally taking a stand against them. As public trust in police have eroded around the country agencies are starting to realize the importance of weading out bad cops and getting rid of them. Too bad, too many often show up at these public housing sites and begin their craft all over again.

December 13, 2011 at 11:42 a.m.

ImTellinYa, when I referred to the man's legality clearly I meant US citizenship which was questioned by larwilb60 due to his race/last name (obviously towards the end of his post he is talking about immigrants), not how long his visits were at the complex. If he lived there unlawfully as a US citizen or "illegal" then he should be punished for falsification. And as far as extra spending, again I agree with saving and treating yourself after paying the important, which is why I mentioned food/shelter/bills... your arguing every point I've addressed and agreed with you on, however, to expect ANYONE to ONLY pay the important things and save the rest is extremely harsh and hard, regardless of income. If that’s the case then there would be no trade market/economy. And that would mean holding everyone to the same standard- Don’t buy ANYTHING unless it’s paying incidentals and save the rest. I also notice no one has challenged the possibility that they could have had the tattoos way before they received government assistance…I too would hope they are trying to get themselves off public assistance but don’t automatically throw the hammer down on people for getting help or assume they are lazy, working the system, criminals, illegal’s, don’t save money, etc. QUESTION FOR EVERYONE POSTING NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE COUPLE: If they didn't live in public housing and they were some other white couple complaining about harassment by property management or police, would the comments be the same? NO - comments would be targeted towards the perpetrators, which are the police in this case, who have well documented infractions/accusations against them.

December 13, 2011 at 11:44 a.m.
Lr103 said...

plsopenurmindb4uspk said... I also notice no one has challenged the possibility that they could have had the tattoos way before they received government assistance…I too would hope they are trying to get themselves off public assistance

I'm in agreement with you. And as more and more people are losing their jobs, some of these bashing people living in public housing might just find themselves needing similar help at some point and time from the federal government.

I also agree that public housing should be a stepping stone for people down on their luck needing a lift. But how can they when they are being routinely arrested, thrown in jail by ruthless, incompetent cops? That breaks that financial cycle of being able to uplift oneself each time one or two parent or caregiver is arrested on bogus non-existing charges due to bad cops. That individual, if they had some low wage job, isn't likely going to still have that job once they're released. So the cycle and generational curse tends to repeat itself. Police at these public housing sites have become predators targeting the poor, because they know they can just about get away with anything. The tenants, out of fear of being retaliated against, aren't likely complain for fear of being evicted on trump up charges due to retaliation. By hiring its own police force, HUD created a monster. It's not just happening in Chattanooga, but at other public housing sites around the country. Where bad cops are allowed to resign from police agencies only to be hired by public housing.

December 13, 2011 at 11:57 a.m.
Sexesincere said...

To the people whom have never lived in public housing they should have no opinion on the way the residents are treated because they truly do not know. Years ago I was a resident of Eastlake Courts have yes I was harrassed by Chattanooga Housing Authority Police. I was often pulled over leaving and returning from my home.

December 13, 2011 at 12:18 p.m.
lookinfour said...

Lr103 said..."But how can they (get out of the projects) when they are being routinely arrested, thrown in jail by ruthless, incompetent cops?"

You gotta be kidding me. So the reason for people not getting out of the projects is because of cops wrongfully arresting them. That statement has be be a joke. I'm sure that there might be wrongful arrests there as there are in any other part of town but to blame that for the reason people don't leave is ludicrous.

You keep talking about people living there, as in their home. That's the problem. These places shouldn't be considered homes. They should be more or less extended stays until people get on their feet. The problem is that the majority of these people move in without intention of leaving. Why would they want to? There is very little incentive. I believe that there should be a 'stepping stone' as you call it but that's not what it is. Give a down and out person or family six months to get on their feet with an extension option for up to one year. That's it. Get out after, period. I'm sick of entitlement.

December 13, 2011 at 12:27 p.m.
lookinfour said...

Sexesincere...as a taxpayer who pays for that public housing I'm permitted to have an opinion of what goes on there. But...no one should be harrassed by any police officer including those who live in public housing.

December 13, 2011 at 12:31 p.m.
BigD2250 said...

Lr103: It's "r-e-j-e-c-t-s", not "regets".

December 13, 2011 at 1:05 p.m.
thedeltajew said...

the cops were probably acting on tips from black and white residence who lied on these folks because there hispanic.some of these reprobates in the projects have nothing exciting to do so they create some excitement and lie on other residence to the chap and sit back and watch as they confront the people then laugh about it and it is racially motivated also.

December 13, 2011 at 1:08 p.m.
thedeltajew said...

drug test for housing,snap and other forms of public assistance please!!!take their children and put them in foster care its cheaper on the state and better in the long run for kids.

December 13, 2011 at 1:11 p.m.

Lr103, nice to see others stand up for people that normally have no voice (the good citizens I mean of course). And I agree about lifting each other when there is corruption in the justice system. I have the upmost respect for law enforcement/military/anyone authority willing to protect and serve but if they are corrupt then they should be treated no differently than any other person breaking the law. Bad cops make it hard on good citizens (no matter the income), and more importantly make it harder on the good cops out there protecting all of us.

December 13, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.
memphisexile said...

Just eliminate public housing. Problem solved.

December 13, 2011 at 1:25 p.m.
holdout said...

LR, What is wrong with being glad about getting someone out of public housing who doesn't need to be there? You don't say why this resident was put out.

December 13, 2011 at 1:44 p.m.
OhReally said...

Those look like gang tattoos!!!!!!!!!

December 13, 2011 at 2:02 p.m.
newhome33 said...

Ok, so lets forget about the tatoos, the id card and how long they were dating. Sometimes these officers take their positions too far sometimes. When I lived in ELC I worked part-time and went to school full-time (UTC). I wanted to show my parents that I could live on my own and raise my newborn son. I just couldn't afford the apt prices on campus. So I moved to ELC and stayed for 2 years (paid rent) until I graduated and gained full-time employment. Unless you have lived in public housing, DO NOT JUDGE. There are a lot of residents who live in these places because of some event they are going through and trying to get to a point to move out. I remember one morning getting ready to go and was in a towel in my bathroom and with no warning an officer and one of the groundsmen for the housing unit were in my place and in the bathroom with me. Me just standing there with a towel and the officer telling me to drop the towel because of a call he got about a gun. When I told him that wasn't true he had the groundsmen to "help me" take the towel off and they both were standing there grinning making comments about how I was a "young thang" and needed a real man. I told the people in the office and at the police unit, but you can tell when someone doesn't believe you. They get away with it all the time. If it's true, they need to be punished.

December 13, 2011 at 2:03 p.m.
lookinfour said...

newhome33, I'm glad it seems like things worked out for you but...you said...

"I wanted to show my parents that I could live on my own and raise my newborn son."

You couldn't live on your own. You moved into government housing. That is not living on your own. It seems like you wanted to move out of mom and dads house so you could be on your own, with your child. There is a difference.

Not trying to beat you up because if you received your degree and are gainfully employed you are a great success story of someone moving out of there. Good for you in that sense.

December 13, 2011 at 2:14 p.m.
Lr103 said...

lookinfour said... Lr103 said..."But how can they (get out of the projects) when they are being routinely arrested, thrown in jail by ruthless, incompetent cops?" You gotta be kidding me. So the reason for people not getting out of the projects is because of cops wrongfully arresting them.

I see it's a waste of time explaining anything to you. It's obvious you must be a juvenile of some kind. My five year old has better sense than you.

Let me try and break it all down to you: Being arrested, most often wrongly at that by these rogue housing authority police, doesn't just cost you whining taxpayers to detain them, it also cost the individual who was wrongly arrested in the first place. This in turn places a burden on them. While locked up, they can't work (yes, people living in public housing aren't all receiving financial assistance. Many hold down jobs, albeit low wage one). If the individual is locked up and can't get to any job he or she has, that's income lost to the family. When they're released, having missed going to work, they often no longer have that job waiting for them. This helps to keep that cycle of poverty alive and well. The poor, who are often work at low wage jobs, have become easy targets for bogus arrests. They're unable to obtain good legal representation and the law knows this. They're more likely too to plead out a case rather than fight it, because they don't have the money to obtain a lawyer. If they have a court appointed attorney, that attorney is more like to advise them to plead out a case, even when they are obviously innocent.

Most of us higher wage earners are only about 1 paycheck away from being in just as bad or worse of a shape as these poor all of you are attacking. I've known many cases where people or their families were actually forced to move into public housing or apply for public assistance after that primary wage earner was arrested, jailed and prison on trumped up charges. Do cops lie to make an arrest stick? Like a rug and all the time. Are the courts aware of cops who perjury themselves, even prosecutors and so-called expert witnesses working on behalf of the prosecution and cops? All the time! That's the way your screwed up justice system operates. Why aren't you more angry at the private prison industry that's being paid at the expense of your and my tax dollars? The federal government sends down billions even trillions to keep them in operation.

December 13, 2011 at 2:17 p.m.
Lr103 said...

Bottom line, the story is not about anyone's tax dollars. It's about authority possibly abusing their power over people viewed as poor and easy prey. Attempting to throw the issue into a fight against whose tax dollars are being used to house the poor is irrelevant and a none issue. If America fails to protect its own American citizens from abuse at the hands of authority, then how can America send our sons, daughters, parents and spouses off to fight and die in other countries using the claim they are fighting for the freedom of others? That's hypocritical.

I don't live in public housing. I don't receive any form of government assistance. But I will be daMNED if I'd sit aside and watch another human being being abused. That's what my conscious, my country and my GOD dictates we all should do {take a stand against injustices wherever they might occur} and that is what I live by! Those are the standards I will live by for all the days of my life. To he*ll!

Who will speak out for the poor and disadvantage if the rest of us who aren't remain silent? I'm proud this couple has taken a stand. Others have tried for years only to be harassed and threatened with eviction if they dare spoke out. Cudos for them!! Today it may be the poor living in public housing. Tomorrow it will be you and I.

December 13, 2011 at 2:25 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

They're probably trying to run the boyfriend off so they can hit on his girlfriend. Years ago there were quite a number of little cop babies being born to young teens living in public housing. The only thing missing when the babies popped out were the uniform and badge.

December 13, 2011 at 2:36 p.m.
thedeltajew said...

more cops in hounsing projects and lots of cameras too!and all them snitches would be o.k. if they would tell on the brothers like they tell on white boys and mexicans.

December 13, 2011 at 3:35 p.m.
lookinfour said...

Thank you payingattention. Finally someone posting from a place other than a tent down on the Hamilton County courthouse lawn. I've never seen so many handout, liberal, socialist, entitlement people in my life, as those posting here.

December 13, 2011 at 3:36 p.m.
lookinfour said...

I have to admit that I got off track on this thread. I thought the same as I read the girls claim her dash cracked. Couldn't happen so making a claim like that lessens her credibility to tell the truth. I would imagine these Project Cops have to put up with a bunch of crap down there in the hood (please Lr103 don't get on me about calling it the hood because even the people who live there call it that). This is where a large amount of crime occurs. A fact. I'm sure many of the residents there are difficult to deal with. If Officer Avery is cussing, I guess he should stop. If Mr. Martinez wants to drive, well I guess he should get a drivers license. Don't really think he should be surprised if he gets pulled over. The problem between all is apparently solved because these people don't live there anymore either...

December 13, 2011 at 4:04 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

ImTellinYa, when I referred to the man's legality clearly I meant US citizenship which was questioned by larwilb60 due to his race/last name (obviously towards the end of his post he is talking about immigrants), not how long his visits were at the complex. If he lived there unlawfully as a US citizen or "illegal" then he should be punished for falsification.

The article stated he was there for extended amounts of time for three YEARS, and that he did not have proper documentation be staying there at ELC, plus he was driving without a license. I do hope the CHA police did verify this guys legality.

However, any officer intentionally, unlawfully harassing anyone should not be tolerated. But when a person is violating a law or ELC regulation, then the police have a responsibility to stop them.

December 13, 2011 at 4:12 p.m.
Lr103 said...

payingattention said... Lr103 You support people that spend thousands on tattoos

paying, the above is such a misleading statement. However, coming from you the princess of misleading statements I'm not at all surprised. You're such a pitiful person. I actually find myself feeling sorry for you.

How do you know the guy spent thousands on tatoos? He could have spent less than 0, for all you know. You try to influence and manipulate people to your own advantage. It may work with some, but not everyone falls for your senseless rhetoric. You're such an angry and bitter person that you defy all logic and meaning.

Be careful. Such vicious anger and hate is like an acid that eventually destroys the container that holds it.

December 13, 2011 at 4:22 p.m.
Lr103 said...

lookinfour said... Project Cops have to put up with a bunch of crap down there in the hood (please Lr103 don't get on me about calling it the hood

'hood is a state of mind that can be found anywhere. 'hood can be found on the mountaintops of signal mountain and on to Hixson, Harrison, Ooltewah and lookout mountain. I've seen 'hooters living some of the finest homes and communities around. And I've come across decent people with more morals, character and values sleeping under a bridge and in cardboard boxes than some living in some of the most upscaled communities around.

The majority of the crime doesn't take place in public housing. They just get more attention because they're poor make easier targets.

December 13, 2011 at 4:27 p.m.
Lr103 said...

ImTellinYa said... However, any officer intentionally, unlawfully harassing anyone should not be tolerated. But when a person is violating a law or ELC regulation, then the police have a responsibility to stop them.

I agree with you with the exception of a person violating ELC regulations. The problem is not with the person, but with the strict regulations in the first place. This is still America, where people are suppose to be free. That means free to go about their daily lives without being harassed and abused by authority. When rules are set that actually restricts or ban and keep family members from visiting family members, then those rules and regulations are wrong, period! In other states human rights and civil rights organizations have actually had to go as far as filing lawsuits against the public housing in those states, because they've actually banned fathers, even mothers from being allowed to visit their own children and other family members who live in public housing. Usually the reason for the ban was assinine, made up by police as retaliation against a tenant or their family to begin with. Or as macrop suggested, to remove the male from the picture so the cop can hit on his or her significant other.

December 13, 2011 at 4:34 p.m.
Lr103 said...

BigD2250 said... Lr103: It's "r-e-j-e-c-t-s", not "regets".

Don't get your panties all up in a wad, BigD2250. It was just a typo error. Nothing here. Move on.

December 13, 2011 at 4:35 p.m.
Lr103 said...

thedeltajew said... take their children and put them in foster care its cheaper on the state

I hope you're joking, right? Put the children in fostercare where they're more like than not to be abused sexually, physically and mentally? You really think paying out in some cases over a thousand+ dollars a month, plus state healtcare is cheaper if the child is in fostercare than if someone is receiving a meager 200 dollar a month welfare check and a coupla more hundred in foodstamps? Really now. You should look at the level of children who have come up missing and later found murdered while in fostercare and at the hands of their foster parents.

December 13, 2011 at 4:43 p.m.
Lr103 said...

payingattention said... Again Mr. Lr103, opposing wasteful spending practices and down right fraud with taxpayer money is not anger

payingatt., you've really beaten that taxpayer dead horse to death, dug it up again and beaten it to death some more. Can you please come up with a better argument? For sure, you're making yourself dizzy just going on and on and on and on some more and in circles with that lame excuse.

December 13, 2011 at 4:46 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

I agree with you with the exception of a person violating ELC regulations. The problem is not with the person, but with the strict regulations in the first place. This is still America, where people are suppose to be free

When accepting public money in a public housing project, you are subject to more rules. Period. Now if the officers are behaving unlawfully, then by all means, they need to be reported and brought to court. If they are enforcing the rules of ELC then the people who accept the rent payments, and don't like the strict rules need to find someone to go live with instead of staying there. The rules are strict for a reason.

December 13, 2011 at 5:07 p.m.
revmike11 said...

Being poor, Mexican, black or white, is not a license to be done wrong. After reading the comments by some of the local folk, it is an no brainier that these folk are being mistreated. I believe it too! I know that living in public housing often brings stricter rules, but having your feelings hurt or cussed at or property destroyed is not acceptable. Having that many names on a petition is indicative of at least a problem on the horizon! Let's face facts, These officers are racist and they are using the law to their advantage! I fully expect a lot of comments about it but racism is written all over this matter!!! These people are poor, but still human and deserve some respect! I hope they fill a book full of names to by residents who have been mistreated too!

December 13, 2011 at 5:47 p.m.
lookinfour said...

LOL. Lr103 posts are almost funny to me. Yeah, those projects are a real safe place to be after sunset. Think I'll drive down there tonight for a walk in the 'Low-Crime Zone'. Lr103, if all of the rules are just too much for the residents of projects, then I suggest getting out. Do what I did when I was a teenager and move out of the folks house. Get a job, save money, move on out. Same thing when I was younger and wanted to move to a better apartment except I worked two jobs and saved.

December 13, 2011 at 5:57 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

HUD may have had good intentions for allowing for the creation of its own police force at public housing sites. Sadly, however, it created a safe haven for brute cops who'd gotten into trouble at other agencies resigning or being forced to resign and obtaining employment with these housing authority agencies.

I've worked with tenants complaining of housing authority police abuse of power and mistreatment of tenants. Unfortunately, the local housing authority seems to operate separately from housing authority police, and there's no oversight. When trying to contact them on possible abuse of authority issues they seem to have no idea about its housing authority police operations or what they are doing. The local housing authority appear to be totally disconnected from the police agency operating at their public housing sites. That's not a good thing at all.

If anyone is truly concerned about how their tax dollars are being spent, and not just spewing hate for the poor, maybe you should look into why Gulags that look like concentration camps under the guise of private detention centers for alleged illegal immigrants have begun to crop up all across America. The federal government is spending billions monthly for these private centers where abuse are rampant and rapes are the norm and routine. The business of private detention centers has become so lucrative with your tax dollars that they're even hiring people from across America as well as other countries to work at these centers as detention guards. The centers are flying them in at the centers' own expense. These guards are ill fit, ill trained and usually come in with the idea of whatever abuses they've gotten away with in other countries and elsewhere within America they can get away with at these private centers. After all, these people are illegal and have no right to expect protection own American soil{sarcasm}. They shouldn't have come here in the first place, right? {sarcasm, sarcasm}.

December 13, 2011 at 6:12 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

@payingattention said... Instructions for interacting with Lr liberals,

You constantly use the term liberal as if it's a dirty word of some kind. If being liberal means being humane and concern for ones fellow man, then count me in with Lr and all the others you and your goons are attacking. I'll be proud to be a liberal along with them any day.

It seems the term conservative has become a cover word for admitting you're a racist intolerant bigot and proud of it.

I'm glad I moved my family away from Chattanooga. It's a beautiful city filled with hateful, intolerant people like you. That's sad, because people from elsewhere are watching and taking notes.

December 13, 2011 at 6:19 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

Unfortunately, the local housing authority seems to operate separately from housing authority police, and there's no oversight. When trying to contact them on possible abuse of authority issues they seem to have no idea about its housing authority police operations or what they are doing. The local housing authority appear to be totally disconnected from the police agency operating at their public housing sites. That's not a good thing at all.

For that to be the case, that is very bad.

maybe you should look into why Gulags that look like concentration camps under the guise of private detention centers for alleged illegal immigrants have begun to crop up all across America. The federal government is spending billions monthly for these private centers where abuse are rampant and rapes are the norm and routine

I hope this is reported on by this paper. I'd like to see stories. I personally know of a case of an immigrant from here getting rounded up and being detained in the midwest, then told he had to pay thousands of dollars to be released. Sounded very much like a scam to me. His friends sent the money and he was sent home! This seems to be vary common scam, and if that is a federal agency doing this, which it supposedly was, this is outrageous fraud and corruption.

Police, if they are corrupt or abusive do need oversight and correction. They need cameras and tape recorders to protect everyone.

December 13, 2011 at 6:28 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

holdout said... LR, What is wrong with being glad about getting someone out of public housing who doesn't need to be there? You don't say why this resident was put out

Yes, he/she did. Did you not read Lr's post entirely? I did. From what Lr states, the individual was targeted for speaking out and complaining about housing authority police abuse of tenants. I've been in court as an observer from time to time, and these housing authority cops will say anything if they've set their sites on getting a tenant evicted. They don't even try to lie very welThel either. Instead they've come to expect to be believed no matter how outrageous their testimony. They don't expect their authority to be questioned, not even from the judge.

December 13, 2011 at 6:28 p.m.
opinionated1 said...

LR103 you are an idiot. You have no clue what you are talking about. You and Yolanda Putman need to get together and create more bull to write about in the news. Just about all of the residents in the public housing comunity are great people with a lot to share, it is the baby daddys, cousins, and grandkids that are doing wrong while trying to visit selling dope out of their unit. They suppliment the income of baby momma and grandmom with illegal drug sales and when the bad guy gets arrested and put on the trespass list is when lyes are created about officers to incompitant writers that creat stories about bull dropping stuff and not report the facts. Yolanda is a poor excuse for a reporter and has it out for CHA because she had family kicked out for illegal drug sales. Let her report about that, family tradition of corruptness?

December 13, 2011 at 6:28 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

Yolanda is a poor excuse for a reporter and has it out for CHA because she had family kicked out for illegal drug sales. Let her report about that, family tradition of corruptness?

Wow, just how uncalled for can you get? You better hope you have proof of that or I hope Yolanda sues you.

December 13, 2011 at 6:32 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

Just like your snide liberal remarks that's suppose to be under the radar?

December 13, 2011 at 6:32 p.m.
lookinfour said...

I love the idea of private prisons. Anything the government can't do, the private sector can do better. And they do. Government wastes money operating their prisons just like they waste money with their entitlement programs.

amnestiusa, be nice. You're not talking like you're concerned for ones fellow man

December 13, 2011 at 6:33 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

it is the baby daddys, cousins, and grandkids that are doing wrong while trying to visit selling dope out of their unit. They suppliment the income of baby momma and grandmom with illegal drug sales and when the bad guy gets arrested and put on the trespass list is when lyes are created about officers to incompitant writers that creat stories about bull dropping stuff and not report the facts. Yolanda is a poor excuse for a reporter and has it out for CHA because she had family kicked out for illegal drug sales.

The above can be found in most every households and in every community, without respect to income or how nice that community looks. Most of these cops can't get the drugs and alcohol out of their own households, not even their own system {yes, cops, drugs and alcoholism go hand in hand}, what makes you or anyone think they're really trying to rid these poor neighborhoods or public housing apartments of alleged drugs. It's long been the understanding that some have even allowed for drug activity to take place at some of these sites.

December 13, 2011 at 6:38 p.m.
lookinfour said...

You're right payingattention, those hardcore liberals sure like to name call and generalize. They are good at it. Hope dinner is good. I'm getting ready to break open this months government cheese and milk ration.

December 13, 2011 at 6:41 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

I've been in court as an observer from time to time, and these housing authority cops will say anything if they've set their sites on getting a tenant evicted. They don't even try to lie very welThel either. Instead they've come to expect to be believed no matter how outrageous their testimony. They don't expect their authority to be questioned, not even from the judge.

You do realize don't you, that so many tenants do this same type of lying. In this story the illogical claim of a cracked dashboard points to this type of lie. My husband has caught so many red handed in the lies (thankfully many times it is in the rental application process). It is to the point he barely believes anyone after so many years of being flat out, repeatedly, outrageously, boldfaced lied to. It is a judge that must make the decision on who is lying. Now my suggestion before about videotaping and voice recording still stands as a help to all concerned.

December 13, 2011 at 6:51 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

@lookinfour said... I love the idea of private prisons. Anything the government can't do, the private sector can do better

Are you serious?! Where do you think private prisons get their money from but the federal government? Which translates to your tax dollars. Thank God not all Chattanoogans are as naive and out of touch as you.

@amnestiusa, be nice. You're not talking like you're concerned for ones fellow man

You're confusing me with your sidekick, payingattention. My friends from Chattanooga say, and I agree, they've never felt so much hatred and bigotry oozing from a discussion forum as when payingattention and her conservative family put their fingers to the keyboard to post their views.

December 13, 2011 at 7:56 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

ImTellinYa said... You do realize don't you, that so many tenants do this same type of lying. In this story the illogical claim of a cracked dashboard points to this type of lie. My husband has caught so many red handed in the lies (thankfully many times it is in the rental application process). It is to the point he barely believes anyone after so many years of being flat out, repeatedly, outrageously, boldfaced lied to. It is a judge that must make the decision on who is lying. Now my suggestion before about videotaping and voice recording still stands as a help to all concerned

I'm not excusing anyone for lying. However, lying in an attempt to put a roof over you and your family heads is an absolute difference from someone lying to get someone evicted {remember, when the parents are evicted and made homeless so are the children} and as a routinely carried out intimidation practice.

Do you or anyone realize that one of the cops mentioned in the story { I recognize the name} actually threatened a young lady with termination of her lease if she didn't go to court to testify against another tenant that cop had worked diligently to get evicted?

Don't tell me you wouldn't lie if that's what it took to place a roof over you and your familys' head, or put food on the table. If you've never been subjected to such dire a situation then pray that you never will be. But for the grace of God

BTW--The cop cracking the tenants' dashboard isn't really all that illogical after all, when you consider the fact that dashboards are often made of fiberglass. The cop could have very well slammed down hard enough on the dashboard to cause it to crack. And since the name Avery popped into the picture, I'm not at all surprised. Yes, I believe the tenant. Especially over Avery and White. They're both ruthless and sneaky, and are likely training their subordinates to be the same and worse.

December 13, 2011 at 8:08 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

@lookinfour said... You're right payingattention, those hardcore liberals sure like to name call and generalize. They are good at it. Hope dinner is good. I'm getting ready to break open this months government cheese and milk ration

Then you and your co-patriots and alter-egos come on here and make snide, insensitive remarks about the poor and proceed to make underhanded statements about having to break open this months government cheese and milk ration? How sad for you and your kind. And you probably attend church every Sunday, and shout PRAISE THE LORD!! I AM SAVED!!!

December 13, 2011 at 8:13 p.m.
lookinfour said...

amnestiusa...I'm not very out of touch with the private prison industry as you state. In fact I know considerably more than you. I worked in Nashville for 14 years for the largest private prison company in the world. That's another topic but those private prisons you complain, at least with the company I worked for, were more humane and offered more to prisoners than the government prisons, and yes at less cost. Not getting into it here, but you're clueless.

I've found in life that those people who scream racism, hatred, and bigotry the most are the most racist, hate filled, and bigoted people. Hello.

December 13, 2011 at 8:17 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

lookinfour said... amnestiusa...I'm not very out of touch with the private prison industry as you state. In fact I know considerably more than you. I worked in Nashville for 14 years for the largest private prison company in the world.

You really, actually believe you know more than I do when it comes to the private prison industry and how it operates? So you worked for 14 years single handedly and all by your lonesome at a private prison in Nashville?___Wow! Such a great distance and worldly knowledge!! LOL Priceless . Actually, the only one clueless here are you. I'll top your Nashville job anyday, and raise you a duo or tres. LMAOAU!!

I've found in life that those people who scream racism, hatred, and bigotry the most are the most racist, hate filled, and bigoted people. Hello

I see I must have hit on a sensitive nerve. Run along, our little crazy friend.

Well, g'night on that one. Have fun!

December 13, 2011 at 8:27 p.m.
lookinfour said...

Amnesti seems to have far more knowledge than I first thought. Clearly an insider to the public housing and prison system. Hard to touch that kind of experience.

December 13, 2011 at 8:37 p.m.
MasterChefLen said...

If the people in the public housing (aka PAID FOR BY THE WORKING TAXPAYERS) that signed the petition put as much effort into working for money (as opposed to expecting others to support them) they probably would not be living in public housing.

December 13, 2011 at 8:37 p.m.
lookinfour said...

payingattention...I appreciate your posts. Thanks for trying to balance this mess out...

December 13, 2011 at 8:42 p.m.
FedUpwithcrap said...

People, It's very plain and simple this couple is upset they were forced out for "milking" the state, the taxpayers, and the community so they retaliate by any means, lets say they do fire these officers that opens the window of opportunity to then place a lawsuit against the state for a double whammy get some cops fired and some free money this is a very lame and disgusting attempt to make a quick buck do you really think it's for the good of the people!!! they need to grow up stop trying to one up the cops and tell her fiance to get a job in my opinion and as for the 160 signatures please i could get thousands of signatures of people who are upset or angry with the police i think they half assed it.

December 13, 2011 at 8:55 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

lookinfour said... Amnesti seems to have far more knowledge than I first thought. Clearly an insider to the public housing and prison system. Hard to touch that kind of experience.

I knew you'd come back with something so stupid it would defy any explanation. Wrong! Dumbo......try again!! LOL!! Then again, having payingattention as your alter ego, I'm not at all surprised. You two would make a good comedy team, if you weren't so pathetic. LMAOAU!!

December 13, 2011 at 9:22 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

payingattention said... Your position that we, conservatives, are racist for not believing that a dashboard was cracked by an officer that pulled her over is simply ridiculous Do No, payingattention, it does not defy logic that an enraged individual could have the strength to crack a dashboard. Especially someone likely hyped up on steroids.

@It is rather odd that the posters here, including you, make references to other CHA police officers by name. How do you know these folks?

With the exception of one, the names were mentioned in the article, dah!! These housing authority cops have been in the news before. dah again! Prior to moving away from Chattanooga, I worked with tenants in the past who attempted to bring these dishonorable cops to light and have the housing authority to address the problems. If you'd take off your blinders and do a little googling you'd know too that they've been in the news before.
If there's anything Chattanooga has been good at it's covering up for the ruthlessness and hiding their bad cops. While other agencies have seriously begun to deal with unfit cops, Chattanooga has yet to catch on.

P/S I see where you and your crew leave in droves then return the same way. What? One of you can't go to the bathroom without the others help?

btw/Just call me federal with lots of insiders' scoop. hehehe

December 13, 2011 at 9:28 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

@payingattention said... Conservative does not make any person a racist. It does make you smarter, hehehe.

But racists have certainly highjacked the word conservative* to hide their racism. he, hehehe. ;)

Smarter than what? A rock? hehehe!!

December 13, 2011 at 9:35 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

payingattention said... Amesti...It was obvious you were somehow a little to vested. Your connection to tenants is finally acknowledged. The names of other officers, you already knew, and did not research. You already knew through association.

So now, that the story of the cracked dashboard does not physically jive, you are accusing this officer of using steroids.

Maybe you, payingattention, need to have your meds increased. You're starting to rambling and sound incoherent.

What other officers? With the exception of one, the officers name were mentioned in the article.

Where did I personally accuse this officer of taking steroids? I was using possible scenario, and it was said with jest and sarcasm. Overall, it is not at all a difficult task to crack a dashboard. You have to take into consideration the make and model of the car and the material the dashboard was made of. dah. Physics has nothing to do with it. Common sense has everything to do with it. It is not at all difficult for a dashboard to crack if something is slammed down on it with force. With you and your smart{sarcasm} crowd, it's like trying to reason and show common sense to a room filled two year old. No offense to two year olds. Wow!

December 13, 2011 at 9:51 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

MasterChefLen said... If the people in the public housing (aka PAID FOR BY THE WORKING TAXPAYERS) that signed the petition put as much effort into working for money (as opposed to expecting others to support them) they probably would not be living in public housing.

That's another myth chen. The vast majority of individuals living in public housing do work and pay taxes. Their incomes are just below the poverty level. They work 8+ hour shifts just like the rest of us. You'd might be surprised to learn that neighbor you're living next door to in a fine upscale neighborhood rent is being subsidized by the government, and is paying less rent than someone living in public housing. So don't cast stones.

December 13, 2011 at 9:58 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

payingattention said... Amesti...It was obvious you were somehow a little too vested. Your connection to tenants is finally acknowledged.

That's nothing to hide. I know people from all walks of life. Some who even sleep under bridges. Unlike you, I don't cast stones and I don't judge people by the fact that they are less fortunate than me. I don't know the individuals mentioned in this article who are complaining. I've never met them. However, there is a pattern in what they are saying about housing authority police. I've heard it before from other tenants in the past. There is a pattern of abuse of power here, and it should have been dealt with a long time ago.

December 13, 2011 at 10:01 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

Dear, physics has nothing to do with cracking a dashboard {reminder: she said crack and not broke as in the term you used} in this situation. The fact remains, that it is possible to crack a dashboard by reaching into a car and slamming down with force upon it.

It is quite simple and logic. Nothing more, nothing new, nothing less.

"two year old" is not name calling." But such an accusation coming from someone who uses the word liberal* like it's a four-lettered word I guess we can't expect any better.

Watch that hate, before it eats you up inside.

December 13, 2011 at 10:46 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

@Martinez and Seagrove claim Avery harassed them on five or six occasions from April 2010 until November 2011 when the couple moved out of East Lake Courts. Seagrove said Avery stopped the couple while they were driving and claimed it was in retaliation to complaints they had made about him to CHA officials.

She also said he stopped her without reason when she was driving alone, then slammed her driver's license on her car's dashboard so hard the dashboard cracked.

"I've never had somebody do something like that to me," Seagrove said. "I just froze. I started crying. I was just so upset because I had not experienced that before."

All of the above has a familiar ring to it. Such accusations and encounters between CHA cops and tenants are not new and similar ones have been stated by tenants in the past who do not know one another. They couldn't all be lying.

December 13, 2011 at 10:52 p.m.
01centare said...

Wasn't there another incident at a different public housing site a year or so ago involving one of the above named officers? It was kept out of ther news, but there was something about one of the officers claiming to have witnessed a suspect at the back door of an apartment. The housing authority cop called city cops onto the scene. Allegedly there was some kind of flammable device thrown into the apartment, a flash grenade? Whatever it was, the apartment caught fire and children were trapped in an upstairs bedroom. A neighbor is said to have climbed through an upstairs window and rescued one of the children who panic and froze. The other children had safely escaped except for this one child who froze.

How did public housing get by without its own police force for over a half of a century, and now all of a sudden they have a need for their own police department? What do they do, actually, that the city police hasn't always done? Too many overseers and slavedrivers watching over the plantation?

December 13, 2011 at 11:41 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...
December 13, 2011 at 11:57 p.m.
01centare said...

payingattention said... These folks fabricated lies against this officer to capitalize on a potential lawsuit. I don't believe a word of their claims against these officers, that risk their lives everyday for a community that needs their own special police, because they cannot act like reasonable people

Why don't you just give it up, cuz? Everybody knows Avery is a bad cop PERIOD! Even the people who hired him knows, but hired him anyway, along with the other bad cops. The other disturbing part in all this is that even if they all are fired from the housing authority, they'll likely run to the city or the Hamilton County jail and become city cops or jailers. That's the usual pattern with these bad cops. They're allowed to quietly go on their way and run from one police agency to another when they get in trouble.

You should really read Todd South's July 2011 story on Avery. The only ones unable to act like reasonable people in all this appear to be the housing authority cops.

December 14, 2011 at 12:26 a.m.
lookinfour said...

Payingattention....it's not worth it with these people who are obviously connected to the story. They know too much about the projects, entitlement programs, prisons, police officers, government cheese, and the system in general. Their comments lead one to believe that they are or have been beneficiaries of public housing, food stamps, free ride programs to jail, free Safelink cell phones, free medical care, etc. Basically the leaches of our tax dollars this thread is about.

December 14, 2011 at 12:46 a.m.
Haiku said...

ookinfour said... Payingattention....it's not worth it with these people who are obviously connected to the story. They know too much about the projects, entitlement programs, prisons, police officers, government cheese, and the system in general. Their comments lead one to believe that they are or have been beneficiaries of public housing, food stamps, free ride programs to jail, free Safelink cell phones, free medical care, etc. Basically the leaches of our tax dollars this thread is about.

Jesus Christ cared for his fellow man too. So you're accusing Him for caring? Think before you answer that one. I know it must be difficult for someone like you. ;)

Perhaps it's not all that complicated, lookinfour. Perhaps, they just care for the rights of their fellow human being. You know, that thing western religion is suppose to have taught us. That thing the Constitution of the United States is suppose to stand for. Freedom for all! Freedom from persecution, no matter their economic, social, class, race or ethnicity.

You know it's the likes of you and payingattention that allow the Sanduskys and those priest who preyed on children for decades to flourish and remain under the radar.

Did you two know that when children originally went to their parents and tried to tell them they were being sexually abused by priests, many of their parents turned on them? Some of those children were kicked out of the home. *How dare they?!! Say such a nasty thing about someone in such a respectable and TRUSTED position, the parents fumed?!!" {Respectable and trusted positions provide the greatest cover for abusers. That would especially include the trusted position of authority such as a police officer}.

December 14, 2011 at 9:12 a.m.
lookinfour said...

You're right Haiku, 'Freedom for all'. The confusion the entitlement believers make is that they think it's 'Free for All'.

December 14, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
semperfimom said...

DID THE NEWSPAPER CHECK THE REPUTATION AND HISTORY OF THESE TWO PEOPLE. BEANIET SEAGROVE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO TELL THE TRUTH. SHE HAS LIED SO MUCH IN HER PAST AND STIL CONTINUES. THESE TWO ARE TROUBLE MAKERS. THE POLICE HAVE ENOUGH TO WORRY ABOUT BESIDES FALSE ACCUSATIONS. MARTINEZ HAS BEEN STOPPED AND CAUGHT DRIVING WITHOUT A DRIVERS LICENSE. THAT IS A JAILABLE OFFENSE. HE IS WANTED IN L.A. CALIFORNIA FOR NON PAYMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT. YOU MAY RECOGNISE HIM FROM JUST BUSTED. SEAGROVE IS WANTED FOR CAR THEFT. SHE HAS BEEN ORDERED BY THE COURTS TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT FOR NUMEROUS YEARS. SHE HAS YET TO PAY ONE RED CENT. SHE LIED ON HER APPLICATION FOR PUBLIC HOUSING AND THE APPLICATION FOR TENN-CARE, FOOD STAMPS AND ANYTHING ELSE SHE CAN GET FOR FREE. SHE STATED HER SON LIVED WITH HER. SHE DOES NOT HAVE CUSTODY. HER EX-HUSBAND DOES. SHE KIDNAPPED THE CHILD AND TOOK HIM TO NEW MEXICO IN 2008. THE HAMILTON COUNTY COURTS FINALLY GOT HER BACK HERE AFTER FIVE MONTHS. MARTINEZ HAD LIVED IN THE PUBLIC HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THE WHOLE TIME BEANIET SEAGROVE LIVED THERE. HE WAS WORKING OUT OF THE APARTMENT DOING TATOOS. GETTING PAID. HE WILL PROBABLY DO THE SAME IN THE NEW APARTMENT THE TAX PAYERS ARE PAYING FOR. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO TRULY DESERVE HELP. PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WORK. THESES TWO WANT TO LIVE OFF OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. THEY MAKE ME SICK. WHAT BOTHERS ME BEANIET SEAGROVE WILL NOT HELP HER OWN SON WHEN MARTINEZ DOES AND SAYS THINGS TO THIS YOUNG BOY. YET SHE WILL PRETEND TO HELP PEOPLE SHE BARELY KNOWS JUST TO BE IN THE PUBLIC EYE. I HOPE WHEN PEOPLE READ THIS THEY WILL GET A BETTER IDEA WHO AND WHAT THESE PEOPLE REALLY ARE.

December 14, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
Justreading said...

Looks like she is eating pretty well too, bet I am paying for that too.

December 14, 2011 at 9:32 a.m.
lookinfour said...

Here is ole Hector's upstanding mugshots just from this year alone. Great concerned citizen he is...

http://www.timesfreepress.com/content/right2know/mugs/profile/?/id/24953

http://www.timesfreepress.com/content/right2know/mugs/profile/?/id/14945

December 14, 2011 at 9:39 a.m.
ImTellinYa said...

The entire story needs to be investigated more. Yes the two people sound like they were lying, Martinez needs to be investigated by ICE to verify his legal status. He also needs to be sent back to LA from where he is a fugitive. But some officers are also a problem according to other reports. It is very hard to know what is going on unless you are there. The judge has to be the one to decide. http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/20...

December 14, 2011 at 10:08 a.m.
thedeltajew said...

nothing wrong with someone trying to start over,and his child support is non of anybodys biz!cause you are not a california tax payer.he is legal so all you black snitchs that rat out mexicans to make them lose jobs you want work dont have to snitch now.some of you seem like you scared of a real gang banger moving into you fake life and hood.wanna bes.

December 14, 2011 at 10:44 a.m.
macropetala8 said...

It would appear the benefit of the housing authority hiring their own police force is that tenants now have a choice as to who gets to commit crimes against them. The obvious street crooks and criminals or the crooked cop rejects turned criminal. Avery and White are obviously ticking time bombs who are polluting the cops their in charge of training. For sure the housing authority knew of this before hiring them.

I still say Avery wanted to remove the boyfriend from the picture so he could have a shot at his girlfriend. Common practice with some of these cops.

December 14, 2011 at 12:45 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

lookinfour said... Here is ole Hector's upstanding mugshots just from this year alone. Great concerned citizen he is...

And if the three cops mentioned in this weren't cops who'd been allowed to quietly slither away from other agencies they'd probably have a longer wrap sheet than 'ole Hector.

It would be interesting if tfp did some deeper investigative reporting and expose why White and Avery left prior agencies they worked under. I mean the real reason, and not the glorified I left for better pay or because I like helping the poor feel safe and secure.

December 14, 2011 at 12:50 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

lookinfour said... You're right Haiku, 'Freedom for all'. The confusion the entitlement believers make is that they think it's 'Free for All'.

Don't confuse the poor with the fat cats on Wall Street and those Bankers and CEOs from major corporations, toots. %/

December 14, 2011 at 12:53 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

@semperfimom

But what about all the other tenants, and some non tenants too who have relatives and friends linving in public housing, who have complained and tried to get CHA to at least look into alleged abuses at the hands of CHA police? Are you saying they all are lying?

All the things you're mentioning about the young lady are irrelevant to the story. If she's guilty of everything you claim she's guilty of, then it's up to those agencies she supposedly lied to to deal with that. If Martinez was doing tatoos to make some extra money on the side, that's his business, and should be encouraged instead of discouraged. Isn' that whay you're all crying about here? These people need to become self sufficient? The way the system is set up it encourages cheating just to qualify for much needed help. The system, as it presently operates, actually traps people rather than uplift them from poverty.

December 14, 2011 at 1:08 p.m.
lookinfour said...

Produce facts macropetal, not vague guesses.

I agree with one point you made. The system does make things too easy for them and if you want to call that a trap you can. They can get out if they want too. It's just to easy to accept the entitlement they receive. So why should they try? I would hope self pride and since they don't like the government housing rules and employees who work there that would be an incentive to get out. Does appear as though it does.

December 14, 2011 at 2:12 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

@lookinfour said... Produce facts macropetal, not vague guesses.

The facts are clear, lookinfour. They're looking you straight in the face, but you're still in denial. The fact that several people with no connection other than living in public housing have made the same accusations about two of these CHA cops in particular. Avery and White. Are CHA and Chief Van Ness trying to protect them? If so, why? Are they friends, neighbors, or relatives of members of CHA or Chief Van Ness? Or do they have something hanging over their heads? Or is it a case of birds of a crooked feather stick together? Inquiring minds demand to know.

I'm curious along with amnest and the rest who question: Why did Avery leave CPD to work for CHA? Why did White leave a police agency in Alabama{?} to come to Chattanooga and work? Why did Eric Reeves suddenly up and resigned from the Knoxville police force after 6 years and came to Chattanooga to work as a CHA cop? Why does Chattanooga have reputation as a safe haven for cops who've gotten fired from, forced to resign from or quietly leave other police agencies they've gotten into trouble at, but feel they'll encounter no problems getting hired as cops in Chattanooga? Where they can hide out until things cool down or stay if they decide?

December 14, 2011 at 2:43 p.m.
lookinfour said...

Macropetal...I've asked once for facts and you rattle off generalizations, assumptions, and guesses. "Several people" and "accusations" are not facts. I won't ask again. Nothing you put in your response is a specific fact or incident to question. Don't bother responding.

December 14, 2011 at 3:04 p.m.
01centare said...

@lookinfour said... Macropetal...I've asked once for facts and you rattle off generalizations, assumptions, and guesses. "Several people" and "accusations" are not facts. I won't ask again. Nothing you put in your response is a specific fact or incident to question. Don't bother responding.

This is a discussion forum. Who are you to demand anything from anyone? I've been reading through many of your posts. You post nothing but attacks and baseless junk yourself.

The facts, like amnestiUSAF, macro and others stated, are in the several complaints tenants have filed or attempted to file over the years only to retaliated against. Why don't you contact CHA and demand ther personnel files of these officers under the TN Open Records Act? {Tennessee Code Annotated 10-7-101} is the correct code I believe. @

December 14, 2011 at 4:29 p.m.
lookinfour said...

01centare, you're another one with just a bunch of generalizations. You just made my point yet again. All I keep reading from others and now you are how these officers are either dirty, corrupt, must have been fired from other forces, and just bad cops. I'm not saying they are or they aren't but if you are going to put that out there back it up. So tell us 01centare, what is your specific experience with these officers? You don't have anything so you just throw out general garbage.

December 14, 2011 at 5:11 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

It doesn't bode well for America to be claiming to spread democracy and freedom around the world for others through wars and killing. American military men and women dying on foreign soil for the freedoms {sarcasm} of others when fellow Americans are being oppressed and brutalized in America because they their class and economic standing.

Don't ever take it for granted that other countries aren't watching, reading American news, and gathering information on just how of a free and democratic country America really is.

December 14, 2011 at 5:52 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

macropetala8

Don't ever take it for granted that other countries aren't watching, reading American news, and gathering information on just how of a free and democratic country America really is.

I'm going to venture a guess that you have never lived outside the USA. Just a hunch....

December 14, 2011 at 6:14 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

ImTellinYa said... macropetala8 Don't ever take it for granted that other countries aren't watching, reading American news, and gathering information on just how of a free and democratic country America really is.

I'm going to venture a guess that you have never lived outside the USA. Just a hunch....

Not only have I ventured outside the U.S. I've also lived outside the U.S. for several years. Vacationing in another country is totally different from actually living in one.

December 14, 2011 at 8:06 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

Now, bottom line is, CHA needs to do a full, honest, no-bars-held investigation, even if it means bringing in the feds to get the job done, and let the chips fall where they may. If it's proved those CHA cops are abusing the tenants and threatening retaliation when they file complaints, they need to lose their rihts to ever be in the profession of law enforcement ever again. It ain't at all complicated.

I'll continue to lean in favor of the tenants, because there's a pattern and history here which emerged years ago with tenants complaining of police abuse and retaliation against tenants who complained. CHA know what's been going on. They know the truth. They've just been ignoring it for whatever reason. That's why it will take outside intervention to expose what's been going on for years.

The CHA cops have one another's backs, because they're practically neighbors who helped one another get the job in the first place. They most all live practically within a hairs throw of one another. Even the chief can't be trusted to be objective.

December 14, 2011 at 8:11 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

macropetala8 said...

Now, bottom line is, CHA needs to do a full, honest, no-bars-held investigation, even if it means bringing in the feds to get the job done, and let the chips fall where they may. If it's proved those CHA cops are abusing the tenants and threatening retaliation when they file complaints, they need to lose their rihts to ever be in the profession of law enforcement ever again. It ain't at all complicated.

Ok ,you and I agree on this one. Both the officers and the tenants need to be investigated. But increased restrictions on tenants in a housing project is necessary and desirable for the safety of the tenants and to monitor thee tenants to make sure they are following the contract they signed. You may want to side to side with the tenants, but the full story is probably much more complicated than you seem to believe.

December 14, 2011 at 8:30 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

@Ok ,you and I agree on this one. Both the officers and the tenants need to be investigated. But increased restrictions on tenants in a housing project is necessary and desirable for the safety of the tenants and to monitor thee tenants to make sure they are following the contract they signed. You may want to side to side with the tenants, but the full story is probably much more complicated than you seem to believe

I agree on some but I disagree on the part of tenants living in housing projects need increased restrictions than the rest of us. I also disagree that increased restrictions are needed for their own safety. In essence you seem to implying they must accept a certain level of abuse from CHA cops just to keep them safe? That's like telling the molested or abused child *no harm done. That he/she was molested and abused for their own safety and to keep them safe from their molester and their abuser.

Neither should restrictions be confused with abuse of power. That's what appears to be happening here. CHA cops abusing their power over the tenants who have no voice because they're poor and living in public housing. I'm not speaking from just what this story is saying. I'm speaking about a pattern of abuse and misconduct at the hands of CHA police officers and the tenants who complain have alleging either their complaints were trashed, so there's no record of a complaint, to the tenants being targeted by CHA cops and retaliated against for complaining. If you'd check you'll find another recent story not long ago in the news involving one of the mentioned officers who got a tenant evicted. That tenant also talked about being retaliated against for complaining against CHA cops.

Present CHA cops don't seem to know the law, and make up their own rules, because they really don't feel they have to follow the law since the tenants are poor. If the things they've been accused of committing against tenants wouldn't be tolerated in Soddy Daisy {where most of them live} it shouldn't be tolerated just because these are individuals living in public housing and are poor. There can't be one rule of law for poor people living in public housing and another rule for everyone else. That's a violation of their constitutional rights as an American citizen.

Well, gotta run.

December 14, 2011 at 9:19 p.m.
ceeweed said...

Project Cops: Chattanooga...coming to a crappy cable channel soon!

December 14, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

There can't be one rule of law for poor people living in public housing and another rule for everyone else. That's a violation of their constitutional rights as an American citizen.

Correct, the terms of a lease should be followed, regardless. The poliece should follow the law as much as the tenants are expected to. The police should also enforce the law, rules and regulations. All tenants who are bound by the lease contract should be monitored to make sure they follow the lease. All people who are not on the lease should not be living in the units, period. The police should be stopping cars and checking to see who is coming and going when there is a high rate of crime and fraud going on. A public housing community is filled with both good decent people and also very dangerous ones. Many times it is the dangerous ones that come to "visit" for extended periods of time. They do not go through the background checks etc...plus, When someone is driving on an expired license they need to be ticketed. It really makes no difference WHY the police stopped him in the housing complex were he does not live but frequents. He was violating the law driving on the expired license.

The police should also be held accountable for improper, unlawful behavior, and fired if found guilty of such.

December 14, 2011 at 10:55 p.m.
brokentoe said...

The police should also enforce the law, rules and regulations. All tenants who are bound by the lease contract should be monitored to make sure they follow the lease.

Explain please. Why should tenants living in public housing be monitored any more closely than tenants living at any apartment complex where they had to sign a lease agreement? These public housing cops aren't enforcing the law as much as they seem to be abusing their authority. Because, as one cop once arrogantly admitted, "We can!"

December 15, 2011 at 12:04 a.m.
ImTellinYa said...

Explain please. Why should tenants living in public housing be monitored any more closely than tenants living at any apartment complex where they had to sign a lease agreement?

All tenants are monitored. You don't think an apartment complex monitors their tenants for violations? The level of the violations in public housing is high, plus the responsibility for the agency to make sure public taxpayer money is not given over to corruption is also important. It is no secret that the level of violation of the lease is high in the public housing units. it is also no secret the level of crime in and around the public housing is high. Now, this article brings up the CHA police abuse, and it should be investigated. However, the level of monitoring of the tenants is not unreasonable.

December 15, 2011 at 7:24 a.m.
terrornblue said...

ImTellinYa said...
All tenants are monitored. You don't think an apartment complex monitors their tenants

They're not monitored in the way CHA has allowed its police force to rush in and monitor its tenants. All CHA cops presently operating at these sites need to be fired and prosecuted for crimes against humanity. They're nothing but a bunch of terrorist in blue. There is no way the local housing authority couldn't have been aware of what these unfit for duty cops have been committing against their tenants throughout the years in plain site. They chose to ignore. For that reason they are even more so guilty.

However, the level of monitoring of the tenants is not unreasonable.

They overstepped the boundaries of simply monitoring the tenants years ago. Bursting up into tenants apartments without warrants or probable cause doesn't seem like monitoring to any sensible human being. It should fall under the headings of *terrorizing.

You and others should be made aware these cops hired by the housing authority likely came from other agencies that no longer wanted them. If they were unfit to serve and protect the general population, why in God's name would they be hired to monitor the poorest and most vulnerable of American society?

December 15, 2011 at 8:17 a.m.
holdout said...

I see a lot of unfounded accusations against the Officers and but no examples. They want his girlfriend, they are crooked, they abuse their power. and so on. Not once is anything spoken of other than, "everyone knows Avery is bad". Well no "everyone" knows no such thing. You people whine about blanket statements made about residents and then justify your complaints with blanket statements about the police. The hypocrisy and racism sickens me.

December 15, 2011 at 8:46 a.m.
Haiku said...

holdout seems to be taking all this pretty personal. Are you one of the accused? A spouse, significant other, perhaps? There are examples of a history of abuse in all the claims posted here, you and your supporters just refuse to see them. Either you are one of them or you are guilty by association.

terrorist in blue? PRICELESS! True, maybe, but still PRICELESS!! LOL

December 15, 2011 at 9:01 a.m.
ImTellinYa said...

They overstepped the boundaries of simply monitoring the tenants years ago

If this is so, and it might very well be, it is for the judge to hear and decide. No police person should be overstepping the boundaries created by law. These officers do need to be investigated, as well as the tenants.

December 15, 2011 at 9:09 a.m.
holdout said...

Which just goes to prove my point. I am not one of them and don't know them but in your eyes I, "have to be guilty". Why do I have to be anything? You don't know me or anything about me. I just disagree with you so I am evil? I see no examples of anything other than complaints.

December 15, 2011 at 9:18 a.m.
Haiku said...

holdout, you seem to be sweating severely over this, which gives the appearance of it being personal for you. Remember, you're the one who used the term evil to describe yourself. Only you and your God can answer that one, not I. I said guilty. Even Indifferent, perhaps?___either or both should be considered the epitome and essence of evil though. ;->

December 15, 2011 at 11:10 a.m.
lookinfour said...

holdout...haiku proved your point in his very next post. As you said, and I have said in this thread, all these anti-CHA police here have done nothing but put out generalized statements, no specific facts. They have done it over and over again. I don't know if these cops are crooked or not and these apparent insiders have given no specifics incidents. That's like me saying there are nothing but bad people in Hixson....and if you ask me why....they just are. It means nothing.

December 15, 2011 at 11:49 a.m.
Legend said...

Chattanooga, like much of the rest of the America, is such an angry and hateful place these days. You can see the anger, resentment, hate and hositility in the eyes when you meet people on the street, in the stores or just going about your daily activities. It seems when I left the country for a while most everyone seemed to be coming together. One didn't openly see this class and social bigotry, although there were remnants. When I returned it seemed everyone's devouring one another and ripping one another to shreds. Whatever happened to that friendly and welcoming America? The one that reached out to the world, without regards to race, class or economic standing. Where's the LOVE America? The world is watching you and it doesn't look good, either.

December 15, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

Legend, you see what you are looking for....

I see a lot of very positive, polite, and friendly people.

December 15, 2011 at 12:54 p.m.
Legend said...

ImTellinYa said... Legend, you see what you are looking for....

No, I see a reality.

I see a lot of very positive, polite, and friendly people

What? When? When they're not hiding behind screen names on a computer? Or when they're trying to make a good impression?

In many other countries Americans are viewed as mean, intolerant and hateful. And that impression are from your allies. Imagine those enemies America is trying to win over.

December 15, 2011 at 1:01 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

Legend, many people who actually come to America, and not just view the media stories about it, find America a place they would want to live. WHY do you think we have so much of an immigration problem? Many people from other countries WANT to live here.

December 15, 2011 at 1:04 p.m.
Legend said...

ImTellinYa said... WHY do you think we have so much of an immigration problem?

It's not for the love of all things America. It's the love of money.

Many people from other countries WANT to live here.

That's what is said to your face. I'm talking about when you're around listening.

If you offer a drowning man a life jacket with holes in it, he's going to grab it regardless. He's not going to recognize the holes right away.

December 15, 2011 at 1:07 p.m.
ImTellinYa said...

Seriously Legend, these people come to America for a "life jacket" and you say that America is bad? America is the land of opportunity for everyone. That is NOT a bad thing. America is the land of the free, or at least is was. With freedom you get some undesirable things. The greater the risk the greater the reward, and the bigger the failure. That is the point Legend. Life is full of holes in the life jacket. No place is going to be perfectly economically safe. That is the mythical land of Utopia.

December 15, 2011 at 1:45 p.m.
Legend said...

@Seriously Legend, America is the land of the free,

Only as long as the cotton is high and the livin' is easy. Otherwise, the ship'em back to crowd turns on'em.

Who's talking about economics? I'm talking about injustices. Taking advantage of and abuse of America's poor, minority poor and disadvantaged. You know those things America claims to send its men and women to war so others can enjoy those freedoms Americans hold so near and dear. {sarcasm/of course}

December 15, 2011 at 5:06 p.m.
Legend said...

Remember, integrity is not the front we put on to impress. Integrity is who we are and how we treat one another when no one's around to record our acts.

Many of these individuals who have posted negative and hateful comments about the poor and disadvantaged; making ugly comments about their receiving government cheese and milk, while hiding behind their screen names, are the same people who smile when the cameras are rolling and perform volunteer works for the very same people they bash while hiding behind their screen names. They smile while the cameras are rolling and there's a story to be written, claiming to only want to do God's work and save souls. That's such a hypocritical and sickening thing to do. As if laughing in the face of the very God they worship. As if HE is too dumb to know the wickedness and deceit residing in their hearts.

December 15, 2011 at 5:18 p.m.
terrornblue said...

Black on topic

The housing authority originally had a pretty decent team of cops patrolling public housing. Some were a tad cocky, but still decent. They'd developed a positive repoire with many of the tenants and making a positive impact on the children. They were gotten rid of because they weren't making many arrests. One I believe was a minister. Yep! a minister can be a cop and a cop can be a minister.

Because these team of cops weren't making enough arrests, the thug cops were purposely brought in to create chaos. That's where the real problems actually began. You have to understand the original goals of public housing was to do away with public housing as it had come to be known. Not that it wouldn't still exist in some form. After all, the poor will be with us always. Even if their scattered to points unknown. The goal, I believe, was to cause enough chaos by stirring up as many problems as possible in order to jusfify forcing the tenants out. It was gentrification at its most sneaky, base and mean.

Now they realize you can't just throw human beings out like trash on the side of the road. American humans at that. Now they're stuck with these thug cops they at first wanted, but now don't, but don't know how or the best way to get rid of them.

In other words, they &^%$! up! Ruined a lot of otherwise innocent people's lives whose only crime was they were poor. They opened these poor American citizens up for abuse, then looked the other way when they knew ^&%#! well it was going on. After all, you've got to keep your eye on the prize, regardless.

That in a nutshell is basically what happened and why.

December 15, 2011 at 7:59 p.m.
eastridge8 said...

"....and the haters will always hate...."

Merry Christmas to each and every one on here.

December 15, 2011 at 9:27 p.m.
01centare said...

And those of us who care about ALL humanity without regards to class, social standing or how big or small their paychecks are will continue to fight on behalf of those often deemed the lesser of God's children by society. Simply because that's what CHRIST-mas would expect of us.

Blessed are those who struggle for you are the true light in the eyes of God.

December 16, 2011 at 6:46 p.m.
Justreading said...

So does anyone know if this trash got kicked out?

December 19, 2011 at 7:03 p.m.
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