published Thursday, December 15th, 2011

An easy way to create jobs

In a time of long-term high unemployment, the Obama administration could create more than 20,000 jobs simply by allowing the construction of an oil pipeline from Canada to Texas.

The Keystone XL pipeline project has wide-ranging support, from Republican lawmakers to labor unions. But to satisfy his environmental extremist allies, the president put off a decision on the pipeline until 2013.

In response, the House of Representatives on Tuesday passed a bill that would pave the way for construction of the pipeline, as well as extend payroll tax relief for 160 million Americans. Republicans would pay for the short-term loss of government revenue caused by the payroll tax cut by freezing federal workers' pay and finding other cuts in the bloated federal budget.

But the Democrat-run Senate vowed to block the legislation, and the president said he would veto it even if it got through the Senate. Instead of cutting excessive federal spending, Democrats insist that wealthier Americans -- who already pay a disproportionately high share of taxes -- pay even higher taxes to fund the payroll tax cut. And like the president, they side with environmental activists in opposing the job-creating Keystone pipeline.

Those tactics may promote class enmity, but they scarcely promote the job creation that America needs.

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nucanuck said...

You should know:

The First Nation tribes in British Columbia have put up a monolithic wall of resistance to block construction of an oil pipe-line from Alberta to the Pacific Ocean, across their lands. They know that this project could provide them with wealth for several decades, but they also know the degree of environmental degradation their lands would endure.

Again we see the strong value systems of an ancient culture not willing to degrade the planet for short term gain.

We are nearing the end of the oil fueled exponential growth that has overshot the earth's carrying/absorbsion capacity, and yet we can't find the collective wisdom to reign in our excesses.

We will either find that wisdom or go extinct.

December 15, 2011 at 1:56 a.m.
librul said...

We sure as heck won't find it in the robotic Republican corpocracy - those people would drill for oil through their grandmother's coffin.

December 15, 2011 at 7:14 a.m.
Haiku said...

In a time of long-term high unemployment, the Obama administration could create more than 20,000 jobs simply by allowing the construction of an oil pipeline from Canada to Texas

That20K is an exaggeration at best, an outright lie at most. Plus any high paying jobs the pipeline would create most Americans wouldn't be qualified to perform. Republicans presently in charge are all oil men and women. They'd steal and drill their grandma's dentures if they thought they could extract oil from'em. If she can't eat without her dentures? No problem. Place her on a liquid diet.

December 15, 2011 at 8:55 a.m.
holdout said...

It should have never been added to a tax bill. But the idea of getting oil from somewhere besides the middle east was a campaign promise of BOTH parties. It should have been done a couple of years ago. Both parties and their dupes are arguing about this pipeline while the Chinese make deals to get the oil. Is it too much to ask that both sides stop playing around with our future and get something accomplished?

December 15, 2011 at 9:08 a.m.
conservative said...

The proposed pipeline is just over 1% of the EXISTING pipeline in America. The pipeline is not as wide as a 2 lane road, a road made of asphalt, which is made from crude oil! Lieberal sheep (sheep are dumb), who are opposed to the pipeline already ride on roads adjacent to existing pipelines carrying crude, which made the asphalt roads they are driving on! Oh, the wonderful irony here! View a map of the proposed and existing pipeline at- http://www.american.com/archive/2011/november/obamas-indefensible-pipeline-punt

December 15, 2011 at 10:38 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Canada's tar sands oil extraction takes an otherwise green-leaning country and positions them as one of the world's leading polluters. The process is an ecological nightmare that is tolerated because the lure of money outweighs safeguarding our planet. "Live for today, for tomorrow we shall die."

Conservative values would lead us to respect our air, land and water above all else, but we have become addicted to oil, so addicted that we will do almost anything to feed our habit, including murderous wars.

At the very least, the tar sands should be capped at present production levels until better methods of mitigating the environmental devastation can be implimented.

December 15, 2011 at 12:35 p.m.
conservative said...

Hey CONnuck-- Your Apocalyptic depiction of the consequences of our "addiction" to oil and your comment the other day about moccasins makes me wonder if you have renounced the use and benefits of oil. Have you abandoned all forms of transportation, heating and cooling, refrigeration, lighting etc. that rely on oil to some degree? If you are only using wood to heat, then I have some bad news for you. The pollution and health risks are high for burning wood also, according to these sites-

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-13-woodburning-pollution_x.htm http://www.ehow.com/facts_6786885_wood-pollution-compared-car-pollution.html http://www.shoshonenewspress.com/news/article_1fd99bfe-228a-11e1-8f20-001871e3ce6c.html http://www.epa.gov/oaqps001/community/guide/wood_stoves_oo_sheet.pdf http://coalitionagainstwoodburning.com/ http://www.ct.gov/dep/cwp/view.asp?a=2684&Q=449376&depNav_GID=1619

December 15, 2011 at 4:06 p.m.
hambone said...

How did the congressmen who's districts this pipeline will go thru vote on this bill?

December 15, 2011 at 4:06 p.m.
mtngrl said...

A few things to note:

  1. that 20,000 number is just an estimate by the company trying to get the pipeline, so expect that to be on the high end.

  2. that 20,000 is actually per person, per year. Not 20,000 seperate jobs. the number of seperate jobs is more like 5,000 to 6,000.

  3. of those 5,000 - 6,000 jobs, how many are actually US jobs instead of Canadian jobs?

  4. There are other numbers out there concerning estimates of indirect jobs, but none of those will also include the indirect jobs lost as an offset. Like all the truckers that currently transport the oil that will no longer be needed once the pipline is in.

Most of the jobs they claim this will create are just temporary during the construction phase, but permanent jobs will be lost in the process so this is not a job creation solution.

December 15, 2011 at 5:09 p.m.
conservative said...

Hey CONnuck--

Disregard the moccasin reference, I confused you with Hambone. I often wonder if you two are really the same person

December 15, 2011 at 5:47 p.m.
nucanuck said...

con-man, it was I who questioned whether "you were writing from the toe of the moccasin"? Moccasin Bend...get it? This was after you had just posted something that appeared a bit loopy to me.

December 15, 2011 at 6:18 p.m.
nucanuck said...

con-man, My family and I are making a concerted effort to restructure our lives toward consuming less of everything but happiness. We have a long way to go, but we have made a start.

Once I realized that we were all going to be forced into lower consumption of fossil fuels, it became an easy choice to challange ourselves to do willingly that which we would be forced to do within a few years.

We made a careful study and set out on a journey that hopefully will have our half acre of land able to feed the six of us and bring in enough rent to pay our basic bills, all while housing us comfortably. We drive as little as possible, walk most places, bike some, and bus occasionally. Our bus ridership needs to replace some of our remaining car trips.

As you can see, we are a very conservative family.

December 15, 2011 at 6:39 p.m.
conservative said...

CONnuck-- Your choice of a self imposed austerity plan for you and your family is just fine with me. That is your business and your right. I truly wish you well. You call this conservatism. This is not what I have in mind when I speak of myself.

I want to CONSERVE the traditional values that made our country great. Like hard work, self reliance, original intent of our Constitution, SMALL government, morals based on Scriture, respect for life (no abortions), traditional marriage ( no perverted same sex), no acceptance of homosexuality, free market, - the OPPOSITE of Lieberalism.

We have more oil, gas, and coal reserves than Saudi Arabia. The only shortage we have,is an ARTIFICIAL shortage, created by GOVERNMENT!

December 15, 2011 at 9:02 p.m.
ceeweed said...

20,000 more jobs for illegals willing to work on the cheap...Contractors building this pipeline are not about to employ 20,000 Americans and pay them a living wage with benefits...Ain't gonna happen!....You can't drive on a federal or state highway now, and pass thru a construction zone, where the majority of the workers are not south-of-the-border types...This pipeline will be no different...

December 15, 2011 at 9:03 p.m.
nucanuck said...

con-man, you can believe me when I say that our lives are far from austere and I doubt seriously that you either outworked me or were more self-reliant through out your life. The difference that seems most noticeable between us would be tolerance and acceptance of others and their life styles.

We are a big broad culture that no longer pulls together as one. Half of us are poor even if working hard;some of us are rich beyond all useful bounds and whatever our common bond was, has gone.

I think we need a contageous empathy outbreak to sweep the nation. After that, we all have to try harder.

December 15, 2011 at 10:43 p.m.
shoe_chucker said...

ceeweed said...

20,000 more jobs for illegals willing to work on the cheap...Contractors building this pipeline are not about to employ 20,000 Americans and pay them a living wage with benefits...Ain't gonna happen!....You can't drive on a federal or state highway now, and pass thru a construction zone, where the majority of the workers are not south-of-the-border types...This pipeline will be no different...

The actual pipeline will be installed by members of the pipefitters union. Bet on it.

It,s funny to me that the gopers are pushing the pipeline when most of the work will go union....it's a mad mad world

December 15, 2011 at 11:37 p.m.
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