Crisp Kringle

Wasn't that trillion-dollar stimulus bill three years ago going to take care of jobs for all 57 states?

Merry Christmas (Messianic feast) to all. Wise men don't put too much stock in Herod.

Great double entendre Clay. burnt offerings, book of job

Truly wise men don't put too much stock in Andrew either.

Happy Holidays any way.

I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas!!

HO HO HO.. ho ho ho...uh oh..

AndrewLohr wrote: "Merry Christmas (Messianic feast) to all. Wise men don't put too much stock in Herod."

What in the world did you mean by that?

Merry Christ Myth!

andrewlohr's message for today:

http://voices.yahoo.com/video/worship-receiving-gods-supplies-part-3-8694847.html

Wait, what? Did Frosty the Snowman steal Santa's suit and try to fill in, like Bender did with Robot Santa Claus?

Looks like someone is really into sacramental wine. I watched the video Alprova and it is truly sad. I could swear I saw the bottle in the background move its' lips when andrew was talking.

Check this one out. http://voices.yahoo.com/video/osama-bin-laden-meets-king-david-3455908.html?cat=9

The bottle isn't wine, and it's empty. Thank you Alprova for the funniest stuff I think I have ever seen. I had no idea. WOW!

Two of the most painful minute of video I have ever watched. Yikes!

OMG that's Andrew Lohr???? This explains so much.

Sorry, alprova. I could only last through a few seconds of that. It's indeed sad.

andrew brought it on himself BUT thats pretty cruel!

jesse wrote: "andrew brought it on himself BUT thats pretty cruel!"

Andrew is the one who posts his sermons and his unique songs all over the net. He does so for reasons of his own. By merely linking to them, it is not an act on my part of being cruel. He wants them to be viewed.

The man demeans the President of the United States by bearing false witness in this forum routinely, and elsewhere, he celebrated the execution of Osama Bin Laden with a song. On YouTube, you can view several videos of the man singing complete passages from the Bible in monotone while he plays an organ.

He wants notoriety, and now he has it.

How's that phrase go again? Something like, "...shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press..."

That pretty well covers it, I guess. But then, the libtards and lieberals on board think that phrase applies only to them and other like thinkers [the dim-witted crowd].

He is, after all, the only reason this country celebrated the season. There is no other reason to have a Winter Break, a Spring Break, a Thanksgiving Break [or whatever. To whom do you think the Thanks were given?] Even Halloween.

Evidently ToonBoy [thanks, tu_quoque] couldn't manage to blame this on the Republicans or the TEA Party.

He couldn't possibly mean to imply it lies [pun intended] with Obama der Uberliemaster...the DNC would fine him if he did...or fire him.

Otherwise he would have put The Obama in the Claus suit and had him throwing the JOBS stockings into the fire. Yeah, sure he would....

rolando said...He is, after all, the only reason this country celebrated the season.

Rolando - I wish that were true. But, if Jesus really were the reason for the season, I doubt that it would be much of a holiday.

Toonboy has finally hit one out.

This is obviously the foreclosed house of a former working class family that has been displaced by Obozo’s mishandling of the economy. They are now “living in a van down by the river”. The house has been illegally seized by a group of over-educated intellectually deficient social science majors of the Fleabagging Ocutard variety.

The socks were hung by the previous occupants in their deluded Libtard belief that Obozo would actually produce them some jobs that paid a “living wage”. Upon arrival the Ocutards wanting no part of working class jobs but rather desiring taxpayer largess, in copious amounts, set the fire to prevent them from being delivered.

In typical uncoordinated and ignorant fashion, for these types and their savior, Obozo was bringing the snacks and blow and the idiot entered a smoke stack belching flames and smoke and incinerated himself along with the swag. Now the Ocutards are eating from tins of cat food left behind by the former owners and squatting in an empty bedroom because one of the idiots blocked the crapper when he discarded his $#(& stained underwear.

Enjoy a very Libtard “X”-mas.

Ya know, all these Christmas drawings Toonboy has been turning out are like Barbra Streisand singing Christmas carols...they both set new high-water marks for hypocrisy.

Streisand's renderings of Silent Night, Ave Maria, and Little Town of Bethlehem are particularly sincere. Yeah, right.

I am sure there are posters here who run a company/business or have a relative or close friend who does. My question is, would anyone stick their neck out and hire additional people now knowing how costly Oblamea Care is/or will be. ORRRRRRRRRR do you sit on your assets and wait for the election to see if Oblamea is defeated? Oblamea has nothing to run on and must defend himself and it will be about him. If Newt gets in then they both have to defend themselves. The only hope is Mitt (the RINO) and he can take to Oblamea and won't have to defend himself that much. Your thoughts?

I wish everyone here a very Merry & Blessed Christmas in Christ. Bob from Wisconsin (40 degrees and no snow) the home of the World Champion Green Bay Packers, the Rose Bowl bound Big Ten Champion Wisconsin Badgers, the Division Four National Champion University of Wisconsin-Whitewater (three years in a roll), and the National League Central Division Champion Milwaukee Brewers.

That pretty well covers it, I guess. But then, the libtards and lieberals on board think that phrase applies only to them and other like thinkers [the dim-witted crowd].

Yeah right. No one is denying Andrew's right to practice his religion in such a public way. No one is denying anyone's right to point out that he comes across as a loony.

onetinsoldier said...

"Great double entendre Clay. burnt offerings, book of job"

The Libtard was smote mightily by the “Great Recession” and he cried unto his savior the omnipotent Obozo "Why do your self-righteous followers suffer so?”.

Obozo said “Place your faith in me, have “Hope”, and I will “Change” your lot for the common good.

When tempted by the drinkers of the leaf to defy the Savior, the Libtard was heard to say,"Naked I came out of Moosells’s womb, and naked shall I return: Obozo has given, and Obozo has taken away; blessed be the name Obozo." Farther challenged he said "You speak as the one known as Mitt the Mormon speaks. Moreover, shall we receive good from Obozo and shall not receive evil?"

For the Libtard”s unwavering faith and campaign contributions, to the Savior Obozo, he was awarded many coins of gold to fund his green energy start-up. All was good in the world for the Libtard and he realized the opportunity to vote for the Savior in an early and often manner.

In the end the common good was greatly served and the Ocutards were pleased.

"No one is denying Andrew's right to practice his religion in such a public way. No one is denying anyone's right to point out that he comes across as a loony.

Holding him up to public ridicule is close, if not tantamount, to denial. If they could deny it to him, they would. Their past and present remarks reek of denial of the 1st.

Crazy or loony is a relative term. Just think how others look to him. In the land of the loony, the sane person is outcast. Interesting label you pin on him...sorta like Jap, Kraut, kike, greaser, etc. Fancy labels to deny people dignity. But, admittedly and shamefully, they work.

I imagine Jesus, in his day, was looked upon as a suicidal fanatic. Yet His short ministry gave us the most powerful and socially/technologically advanced countries in the world.

Which is not to make absolute comparisons...just to generate a bit of thought [in those capable of it, anyway].

Holding him up to public ridicule is close, if not tantamount, to denial. If they could deny it to him, they would. Their past and present remarks reek of denial of the 1st.

Garbage. Pointing out his craziness is in no way denial of his rights. Where do you get such goofy ideas?

Sorry, lkeithlu, I added a bit to my last. It perhaps would clarify that issue. It has to do with derisive labeling. And it most certainly is a covert, implied denial of rights.

In no way is pointing out what appears to be behavior outside of what is considered normal in a video posted voluntarily by the subject a denial of that subject's rights to freely express themselves. Even when the behavior is grounded in religion. You have an odd understanding of what constitutes rights, hon.

Might I suggest a discussion of the image, rather than of the poster in question (or the artist for that matter)?

It's not exactly the best image I've ever seen, since I'm finding it hard to fathom why Santa would be melting in a fire. I get how the stockings are empty, but it just seems to lack a connecting thread.

"...derisive labeling. And it most certainly is a covert, implied denial of rights." As in, 'libtards and lieberals' 'Obama der Uberliemaster' 'Obozo' 'Oblamea'

rolando... you okay with tu_quoque the atheist having fun with the Bible on Christmas Day? Really interested to hear your take on that.

Exactly, LibDem, exactly. And anyone can use it.

Dude -- everyone, even you, is guaranteed the inborn right to free speech, even anti-Biblical or confused, rambling speech. I couldn't take more than 15-20 seconds of [Andrew's] rambling, myself...but I don't belittle him for it, so long as he believes it and doesn't try to ram it down everyone's throat. To each his own.

lkeithlu -- I am a firm believer in not only the word of the Constitution, but the spirit and the times in which it was written. Rights -- all rights are inborn [my word...God-given]. That includes, but is not limited by, the Bill of Rights. It merely listed the most important ones to [supposedly] prevent a government from violating them.

Perhaps you haven't experienced the power of labeling and its use as a de-humanizer and hence a basis in which to deny rights. Perhaps you might google de-humanizers, etc. All nations practice it against their foreign and domestic enemies...even us. Teabaggers, for instance. Libtards, for another.

alprova I apologize!!1st. time i watched it i didn,t read the fine print!i thought you found a video of some maniac and hung it on andrew. i just went back and seen THAT's REALLY HIM!!!!!WOW

AGAIN!! I'M SORRY!!!

happywithnewbulbs -- Since the concept of Santa Claus was/is based on a real human, it follows that Santa might react to fire as does a human, both physically and mentally.

Human bodies burn -- fueled by their own body fat. They don't "melt" per se but the heat-liquified body fat burns the solids down to ash.

Clay shows Santa's costume as unconsumed -- perhaps it is made from Nomex fibers. It also provides identity.

Perhaps you haven't experienced the power of labeling and its use as a de-humanizer and hence a basis in which to deny rights. Perhaps you might google de-humanizers, etc. All nations practice it against their foreign and domestic enemies...even us. Teabaggers, for instance. Libtards, for another.

This is the most thoughtful comment I have ever seen you post.

Rolando, no, questions of the accuracy of the depiction aside, what is really missing is the idea behind it. I think a label for the fire would have conveyed something, but without that, it's just lacking meaning to go with the empty stockings.

Thank you, lkeithlu. It came easy -- and without filtering. Injustice reigns supreme behind "labeling".

I dealt professionally with the issue of labeling for decades. My first experience was the "Japs" -- given that label on 8 Dec 41. It was added to by our actions at Manzanar -- not because we imprisoned Nisei [we had reason] but because we effectively seized their property without paying them for it -- for non-payment of taxes, etc. They effectively lost their right to own private property...aided and abetted by labeling.

Hitler used labeling to great effect.

"So it goes."

Time to watch the Mormon Choir Christmas presentation. [Quality can be admired regardless of sponsor...the Bolshoi, for instance.]

Take care. Enjoy a fire, good conversation, a cat [perhaps], and even a good book this evening...along with a well-nutmegged eggnog...

Indeed, happy. You have hit on something.

Clay usually labels everything. Makes me wonder if he removed something. He usually manages to condemn the Rupublicans, TEA Partiers, or Conservatives for something in his cartoons. It is obligatory.

A caption or other label is important in imagery, when there's no clear identification available. Sometimes even when it is, just so it's more clear. Happens all the time on the news channels, for example.

Nothing wrong with a nametag or a description. Or, if it's not important, just leave the Santa bit out, I think a plain fire would have worked just as well if there was no meaning to what was shown. Or even just a burned out log.

With the Santa's Apparel being there, though, I just don't know what Clay Bennett is trying to say, in any specific terms.

If you have no particular insight to offer though, perhaps we might hope that there's some clarification provided later. I doubt rotating it would provide that flash of comprehension though.

Take care. Enjoy a fire, good conversation, a cat [perhaps], and even a good book this evening...along with a well-nutmegged eggnog...

No fire (no fireplace) no cat (allergic-but unfortunately no dog-first Christmas without our beloved pooch who died at 14+ last February) and our adult beverage does not include eggnog but no matter...good company and family even so. Hope to meet you someday. Merry Christmas.

Happy Holidays to you, too. A meet would be...ah...interesting, as well as enjoyable.

Don't wait too long, happywithbulbs. Clay subscribes to the lordly position of, "Never explain, never apologize".

The depth of Clay's 'toons are in the eye of the beholder. How would you label the log/fire? Perhaps the log should be "JOBS" and the fire "Socialism". The stockings [stuffed] would bear various names; Holder, BATFE, Mexican cartels, Amnesty, etc.

It'll not bother much me if there's no further explanation to come, more images will appear, this one will be supplanted in my memories without much delay, but I think you're trying too hard to reach for an explanation without realizing what you might be saying (the idea that a log representing jobs creates the soothing warmth offered by socialism is perhaps not what you would want to be saying), or just throwing far too much together to try to make a point, which regardless of your feelings, has naught to do with the original image.

If you want to represent something of your own ideas, that's fine, but it still won't address the meaning of what was expressed in this image here. And as I said, I am perplexed by the one part of it, so I cannot offer any suggestion whatsoever as to the meaning. And if the Santa costume has no meaning, well, then I think removing it might have been my choice, but that's only speculation that I offer.

Maybe he means the cofounder of Apple, Inc. has gone to hell.

BobMKE wrote: "I am sure there are posters here who run a company/business or have a relative or close friend who does. My question is, would anyone stick their neck out and hire additional people now knowing how costly Oblamea Care is/or will be. ORRRRRRRRRR do you sit on your assets and wait for the election to see if Oblamea is defeated?"

I opened a new business on December the 1st. The Presidential election, no matter how it turns out, has and had no effect on my decision to do so. I hired three people to help me run it.

This notion being expressed by anti-Obamists, such as yourself, is nothing but pure bunk. I don't fear the current President and I don't fear the election of a Republican either.

I'm still waiting for anyone to post a legitimate and distinct complaint, outlining exactly how President Obama has hurt business people in this country.

"Oblamea has nothing to run on and must defend himself and it will be about him."

Still making that whine, are you? You and other like yourself are going to be sorely disappointed when he hits the stage. He has amassed a fine record of achievements since he has been in office. Look forward to hearing them in the coming months.

"If Newt gets in then they both have to defend themselves."

Newt is toast.

"The only hope is Mitt (the RINO) and he can take to Oblamea and won't have to defend himself that much. Your thoughts?"

If the Republicans are hanging their hats on Mitt Romney, you have already lost. Better luck in 2016, when it will be anybody's game.

jesse wrote: "alprova I apologize!!1st. time i watched it i didn,t read the fine print!i thought you found a video of some maniac and hung it on andrew. i just went back and seen THAT's REALLY HIM!!!!!WOW"

"AGAIN!! I'M SORRY!!!"

It's a-okay. Yep, that's the man himself.

Bob and some others have expressed the opinion that President Obama cannot run on his record. I beg to disagree with such opinions. For instance, he has amassed a fine record since assuming office;

Ordered all federal agencies to conduct a study and make recommendations on how to cut spending.

Signed into law equal pay for women doing the same job as a man.

Ended the war in Iraq with the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.

Signed an executive order, providing funds to the families of fallen soldiers, so that they can be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB.

Ended the policy of having a media blackout on war casualties and allowed the reporting of full information.

Media is now permitted to film the unloading of fallen soldiers caskets so long as they adhere to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s families.

The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act.

Instituted limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House.

Instituted limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the Obama administration.

Ended the stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan for a time limit exceeding agreements that were signed to when they enlisted.

Phased out the F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in current military operations.

Removed limitations to embryonic stem-cell research.

Permitted states to enact federal fuel efficiency standards over and above federal standards.

Increased spending to update infrastructure after years of neglect.

Provided new funds for school construction and internet access.

Instituted a plan to rescue the US Auto industry.

Instituted the US financial and banking rescue plan.

Ordered secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed.

Ordered and end to the torture policies previously in place and now the U.S. is in full compliance with the Geneva Convention standards.

The missile defense program was cut by $1.4 billion in 2010.

Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols.

Reengaged in treaties/agreements to help protect the Antarctic.

Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions.

Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office.

Instituted appealing tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid motor vehicles.

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Instituted the highly successful "Cash for Clunkers" program, offering vouchers for trade-in vehicles that were fuel inefficient, for new cars, which stimulated auto sales.

Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government, and acted on those plans.

Expanded the SCHIP program to cover the health care costs for 4 million more children.

Instituted a new, relaxed policy regarding Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home for the first time in more than 50 years.

Closed loopholes regarding offshore tax safe havens.

Negotiated a deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.

Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations that outsource American jobs, along with the offering of a new tax break offer to companies that bring jobs back.

Instituted new consumer protections, ordering credit card industry’s to amend their predatory practices.

Instituted a new policy ordering energy producing plants to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources.

Ordered drug manufacturers to lower drug costs for seniors.

Ordered an end to the previous policy of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs, resulting in several million dollars in savings.

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Authorized additional health centers to care for veterans.

Increased the pay and benefits for military personnel.

Improved housing standards for military personnel.

Initiated a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses.

Ordered an overhaul of the conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and several other military hospitals.

Increased access of students to student loans.

Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years, reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy.

Established a new cyber security office.

Ordered the reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force.

Ended previous administrations policies of awarding no-bid defense contracts.

Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness.

Ordered financial institutions to refinance loans with students struggling to make college loan payments.

Instituted an improvement to benefits for veterans.

Instituted an investigation into those accused of mortgage fraud.

Instituted and ordered The FDA to regulate tobacco.

Authorized discussions with North Korea and a private mission by Former President Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in North Korean prisons.

Provided more loans to be available to small businesses.

Established an independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare.

Limited salaries of senior White House aides, cutting them to no more than $100,000.

Renewed loan guarantees for Israel.

Ordered the Deployment of additional troops to Afghanistan.

Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production.

Reformed the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under-insured.

Has called for comprehensive immigration reform.

Oh Yes, the President has accomplished all this and more since he has been in the Oval Office, but you'll never read or hear about all the above on anti-Obama outlets.

Alprova,,good job!

Thanks acerigger.

The cannons roared but there are very few holes in the target.

Happy -- Interpret the drawing [and my posts] however you wish. Your interpretation is as good as that of anyone else.

Al,

I admire your heartfelt listing on OB's record as President. I wish you well in your business in 2012. Here's the but. No matter what you say , I believe that other business people are going to seat on their assets even though you are not. That is a big problem for OB and this Country regarding job growth all because of Oblameacare.

I noticed that there was no mention about the $535 million loan that he pushed through for the now bankrupt Solyndra. I guess this 1/2 billion dollar blunder was just easy to overlook.

BobMKE wrote: "Al, I admire your heartfelt listing on OB's record as President. I wish you well in your business in 2012. Here's the but. No matter what you say , I believe that other business people are going to seat on their assets even though you are not. That is a big problem for OB and this Country regarding job growth all because of Oblameacare."

And to those people, I say they are idiots, cutting off their nose to spite their own face. Why anyone would refuse to expand their businesses, if the sales are there, is beyond all comprehension.

Obamacare comes with generous tax breaks, grants, and incentives to persuade employers to provide health insurance coverage for their employees. From the smallest of employers to large corporations, it is to an employers advantage to embrace it.

lovetheusaorleave wrote: "I noticed that there was no mention about the $535 million loan that he pushed through for the now bankrupt Solyndra. I guess this 1/2 billion dollar blunder was just easy to overlook."

Could that be due to the fact that to date, and after extensive investigation, the President had no direct involvement in the decision to loan Solyndra those millions of dollars.

And even if he had, it is a fact that not all businesses survive, no matter how much money is pumped into them. Blame our trade agreements with China, for that is exactly the reason the Solyndra failed. Solar panels imported from China are far cheaper than those produced by Solydra were.

For all this tall talk of people wanting jobs to return to the United States, consumers will still default to a cheaper priced product, of questionable quality, each and every time.

The product was viable. The time to invest in it was right. Unfortunately, sales were not what were hoped for. There are several reasons why that happened. The capitalist system recorded a bust. Solyndra failed.

Other business ventures funded and guaranteed by the Department of Energy, through grants and loans are thriving.

Harp3339 wrote: "The cannons roared but there are very few holes in the target."

What else should or could be expected from you? You're just one of many anti-Obama idjets, who have never once given the man credit for anything that he has done to save and/or improve this nation.

Since he assumed office, the man has been working relentlessly to stabilize our economy. No man could have done better than he has, or would have taken the political risks that he has, to try to stave off disaster.

For sure, a list could be compiled of failures he has Presided over, but then, what President has ever been perfect? There are people in this nation that have spent each and every day of their lives, since he has been President, seeking to expose a conspiracy in every move he makes, and it has become very ridiculous.

I think that the list I supplied hits many targets. Many of them were bulls eyes. I'm sorry that you disagree.

By all means, put your stock back into people who derailed our economy to the tune of the 1929 Stock Market crash, and in just about the same manner too.

Me? I'm betting on a sure thing.

dude_abides said...

“rolando... you okay with tu_quoque the atheist having fun with the Bible on Christmas Day? Really interested to hear your take on that.”

So how do you know if I’m an atheist or not? I could be a member in good standing of one of the Libtard religious groups. You know the ones that do not operate on faith because it is so irrational and see religious scripture as only suggestions of how to practice their faith. The ones that view churches as simply social clubs to burnish their standing in the community or as expressions of their social activism.

There are plenty of secular groups that will accomplish those ends without the need to believe in a higher level of being. Never the less I am not a joiner but I do make some modest attempt to not mock and denigrate those who practice their faith in a non-self-righteous way.

If you can’t laugh about your deepest held beliefs then you’ve got some serious issues you need to deal with. Libtards are constantly trying to impose political correctness to prevent people from LTAO over the silly $#^& that oozes, out of their skulls full of mush, on a daily basis. Thus my reason to show up here, ever now and then, to rub their faces in “it”.

BTW … Do you even know the definitions of what an atheist can be and the fact some are considered irrational groups no less so than the religious.

Alprova:

I believe that congratulations are in order on your personal preparation of that extensive and well researched list. I have visited extensively around the internet and I must say that I have never seen anything like that. I’m sure that these are not only your opinions but are confirmable facts on your part. That being the case I’m sure you have the backup sources to prove each of them and that you personally stand behind each one’s truthiness. You are always a stand up guy in that way. Aren’t you?

alprova said... Could that be due to the fact that to date, and after extensive investigation, the President had no direct involvement in the decision to loan Solyndra those millions of dollars.

I guess a person really needs to look at who done the investigation and whether or not you want to believe it. But I am sure most will only believe what their particular side presents. But the investigation is still ongoing, and if your proof is all top administrators pleading the 5th then that is almost as laughable as you defending it. I have always heard where there is smoke there is fire, but in this case it was more like a inferno.

lovetheusaorleave wrote: "I guess a person really needs to look at who done the investigation and whether or not you want to believe it. But I am sure most will only believe what their particular side presents. But the investigation is still ongoing, and if your proof is all top administrators pleading the 5th then that is almost as laughable as you defending it."

To the best of my knowledge, nobody has pleaded the 5th in response to any investigation into Solyndra.

"I have always heard where there is smoke there is fire, but in this case it was more like a inferno."

Well of course, you are free to believe whatever you wish, however, in the case of Solyndra, it's pretty much been investigated and not much has been dug up that rises to the level of a conspiracy, much to the disappointment of the Obama haters.

alprova said...

"And to those people, I say they are idiots, cutting off their nose to spite their own face. Why anyone would refuse to expand their businesses, if the sales are there, is beyond all comprehension."

Some are wise enough to need the ability to see beyond that "nose" prior to investing. Short term gains are many times turned into long term losses due to ignorant business plans.

"Obamacare comes with generous tax breaks, grants, and incentives to persuade employers to provide health insurance coverage for their employees. From the smallest of employers to large corporations, it is to an employers advantage to embrace it."

Since these are the same people that are funding those “generous tax breaks, grants, and incentives” what is the logic behind first funneling those funds through government so they can take their cut.

tor_quemada... "Well I've always said, there's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not." -Monty Python

I was under the impression that rolando was a spiritual being when I asked him about your comedic use of Bible syntax. Apparently, I was wrong. Indeed, he can be seen later in the evening coyly suggesting that someone curl up by a fire and get their egg nog nutmegged! On Christmas Day!?!? If I were a priest (or a Penn State football coach), I would sentence him to 10 Hey, Mary!s and tell him to rub his rosary beads somewhere else.

tu_smartforGod... You are an atheist. Wait, does self-adoration count as a religion?

alprova said...

"Could that be due to the fact that to date, and after extensive investigation, the President had no direct involvement in the decision to loan Solyndra those millions of dollars."

So your list above is to be interpreted as the work of Obozo personally and entirely and not the actions of his administration?

"And even if he had, it is a fact that not all businesses survive, no matter how much money is pumped into them. Blame our trade agreements with China, for that is exactly the reason the Solyndra failed. Solar panels imported from China are far cheaper than those produced by Solydra were."

So all of those intelligent and highly educated bureaucrats failed to anticipate that China would undercut their brilliant business decisions?

"For all this tall talk of people wanting jobs to return to the United States, consumers will still default to a cheaper priced product, of questionable quality, each and every time."

So the constant refrain from the Libtards that businesses open or expand factories in this country is really a secret plan to cause them to fail and go out of business?

"The product was viable. The time to invest in it was right. Unfortunately, sales were not what were hoped for. There are several reasons why that happened. The capitalist system recorded a bust. Solyndra failed."

Hopefully for you, this scenario will not play itself out locally.

"Other business ventures funded and guaranteed by the Department of Energy, through grants and loans are thriving."

So picking winners and losers in the economic sphere is a legitimate function of government and not the market?

Oh, My Bad !!! I forgot about your peculiar and outdated economic persuasions. You know … Socialism.

dude_abides said...

"tor_quemada... "Well I've always said, there's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not." -Monty Python"

There can be no personhood without self awareness which in turn requires beliefs but not faith. I place my beliefs on the foundation of:

"Ac proinde hæc cognitio, ego cogito, ergo sum, est omnium prima & certissima, quæ cuilibet ordine philosophanti occurrat." - René Descartes

dude_abides said...

"tu_smartforGod... You are an atheist. Wait, does self-adoration count as a religion?"

Once again you are making bold statements that you have neither the educational or intellectual basis to have made or prove.

Many religions do require a God ... You know someone like Algore ("Crazed Sex Poodle") of The Eco-EndTimers. For me personally "I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my religion for a term as its Holiness".

"les Français sont des étrangers au courage et au savon." - Kierkegaard

tu_q... You put the "I" in idolatry.

alprova said....

Me? I'm betting on a sure thing.

I have no doubt you believe you are. It may indeed be a sure thing bet but possibly not with the results you are betting on. You know the results that most get when they think they are making a sure thing bet. You could check out how many hedge fund managers have busted out this year. The banks thought they had a "sure thing" bet. I don't see a winning horse in the race from either stable and will probably not even buy a ticket.

Most sure thing bets are sucker bets I do hope the one you are making is not since Obama can't be beaten in 2012, he has no strong opponent.

I've been wondering what happened to the Repub "jobs,jobs,jobs" plan that they ran on in 2010,now I know,it was just them blowing smoke up our ashes. Thanks Clay!

You got this one just exactly right. Burned up the guy who was supposed to bring the jobs; the employer. Make it too expensive to do business, and that puts him out of business.

The health care plan, uncertainty about tax rates, and slow business with no hope of relief (combined with lots of other related things) did the "job" on jobs.

Seeing the employer as "Santa Claus" is a big part of the problem. He can't give away what he doesn't have. Too many people don't understand what it takes to run a business, and they think the world owes them a living. That's how we got to the place where we are today.

"The problem is that they have no single program," he said.

"They have many individual programs, but no unified one and no clear way to reach their goals, which are also not clear."

Sounds like the GOP re: OWS, but it's not! It's Vladimir Putin!

The 99%movement is not restricted to the good ol' USA!

OSCEOLA, Iowa -- In what the Texas governor calls a "transformation," Rick Perry on Tuesday said that he has reversed his acceptance of abortion in some severe circumstances, saying that he now opposes the procedure even in cases of rape and incest.

This is by far the funniest bunch of dickheads to ever Keystone Kop their way into Iowa. If I were a republican I would be absolutely mortified. Even in Chattanooga, "none of the above" got more votes (30%) than any contender (WRCB.com poll).