published Sunday, December 25th, 2011

Crisp Kringle

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

Wasn't that trillion-dollar stimulus bill three years ago going to take care of jobs for all 57 states?

Merry Christmas (Messianic feast) to all. Wise men don't put too much stock in Herod.

December 25, 2011 at 12:11 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Great double entendre Clay. burnt offerings, book of job

December 25, 2011 at 12:22 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

Truly wise men don't put too much stock in Andrew either.

Happy Holidays any way.

December 25, 2011 at 12:23 a.m.
alprova said...

I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas!!

December 25, 2011 at 2:21 a.m.
EaTn said...

HO HO HO.. ho ho ho...uh oh..

December 25, 2011 at 6:36 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "Merry Christmas (Messianic feast) to all. Wise men don't put too much stock in Herod."

What in the world did you mean by that?

December 25, 2011 at 9:11 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Merry Christ Myth!

December 25, 2011 at 9:24 a.m.

Wait, what? Did Frosty the Snowman steal Santa's suit and try to fill in, like Bender did with Robot Santa Claus?

December 25, 2011 at 10:05 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Looks like someone is really into sacramental wine. I watched the video Alprova and it is truly sad. I could swear I saw the bottle in the background move its' lips when andrew was talking.

Check this one out. http://voices.yahoo.com/video/osama-bin-laden-meets-king-david-3455908.html?cat=9

The bottle isn't wine, and it's empty. Thank you Alprova for the funniest stuff I think I have ever seen. I had no idea. WOW!

December 25, 2011 at 10:17 a.m.
alprova said...

Two of the most painful minute of video I have ever watched. Yikes!

December 25, 2011 at 10:23 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

OMG that's Andrew Lohr???? This explains so much.

December 25, 2011 at 10:51 a.m.
LibDem said...

Sorry, alprova. I could only last through a few seconds of that. It's indeed sad.

December 25, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
jesse said...

andrew brought it on himself BUT thats pretty cruel!

December 25, 2011 at 12:14 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "andrew brought it on himself BUT thats pretty cruel!"

Andrew is the one who posts his sermons and his unique songs all over the net. He does so for reasons of his own. By merely linking to them, it is not an act on my part of being cruel. He wants them to be viewed.

The man demeans the President of the United States by bearing false witness in this forum routinely, and elsewhere, he celebrated the execution of Osama Bin Laden with a song. On YouTube, you can view several videos of the man singing complete passages from the Bible in monotone while he plays an organ.

He wants notoriety, and now he has it.

December 25, 2011 at 1:54 p.m.
rolando said...

How's that phrase go again? Something like, "...shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press..."

That pretty well covers it, I guess. But then, the libtards and lieberals on board think that phrase applies only to them and other like thinkers [the dim-witted crowd].

He is, after all, the only reason this country celebrated the season. There is no other reason to have a Winter Break, a Spring Break, a Thanksgiving Break [or whatever. To whom do you think the Thanks were given?] Even Halloween.

December 25, 2011 at 3:15 p.m.
rolando said...

Evidently ToonBoy [thanks, tu_quoque] couldn't manage to blame this on the Republicans or the TEA Party.

He couldn't possibly mean to imply it lies [pun intended] with Obama der Uberliemaster...the DNC would fine him if he did...or fire him.

Otherwise he would have put The Obama in the Claus suit and had him throwing the JOBS stockings into the fire. Yeah, sure he would....

December 25, 2011 at 3:20 p.m.
MTJohn said...

rolando said...He is, after all, the only reason this country celebrated the season.

Rolando - I wish that were true. But, if Jesus really were the reason for the season, I doubt that it would be much of a holiday.

December 25, 2011 at 3:25 p.m.
rolando said...

Ya know, all these Christmas drawings Toonboy has been turning out are like Barbra Streisand singing Christmas carols...they both set new high-water marks for hypocrisy.

Streisand's renderings of Silent Night, Ave Maria, and Little Town of Bethlehem are particularly sincere. Yeah, right.

December 25, 2011 at 3:43 p.m.
BobMKE said...

I am sure there are posters here who run a company/business or have a relative or close friend who does. My question is, would anyone stick their neck out and hire additional people now knowing how costly Oblamea Care is/or will be. ORRRRRRRRRR do you sit on your assets and wait for the election to see if Oblamea is defeated? Oblamea has nothing to run on and must defend himself and it will be about him. If Newt gets in then they both have to defend themselves. The only hope is Mitt (the RINO) and he can take to Oblamea and won't have to defend himself that much. Your thoughts?

I wish everyone here a very Merry & Blessed Christmas in Christ. Bob from Wisconsin (40 degrees and no snow) the home of the World Champion Green Bay Packers, the Rose Bowl bound Big Ten Champion Wisconsin Badgers, the Division Four National Champion University of Wisconsin-Whitewater (three years in a roll), and the National League Central Division Champion Milwaukee Brewers.

December 25, 2011 at 3:46 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

That pretty well covers it, I guess. But then, the libtards and lieberals on board think that phrase applies only to them and other like thinkers [the dim-witted crowd].

Yeah right. No one is denying Andrew's right to practice his religion in such a public way. No one is denying anyone's right to point out that he comes across as a loony.

December 25, 2011 at 3:59 p.m.
rolando said...

"No one is denying Andrew's right to practice his religion in such a public way. No one is denying anyone's right to point out that he comes across as a loony.

Holding him up to public ridicule is close, if not tantamount, to denial. If they could deny it to him, they would. Their past and present remarks reek of denial of the 1st.

Crazy or loony is a relative term. Just think how others look to him. In the land of the loony, the sane person is outcast. Interesting label you pin on him...sorta like Jap, Kraut, kike, greaser, etc. Fancy labels to deny people dignity. But, admittedly and shamefully, they work.

I imagine Jesus, in his day, was looked upon as a suicidal fanatic. Yet His short ministry gave us the most powerful and socially/technologically advanced countries in the world.

Which is not to make absolute comparisons...just to generate a bit of thought [in those capable of it, anyway].

December 25, 2011 at 4:46 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Holding him up to public ridicule is close, if not tantamount, to denial. If they could deny it to him, they would. Their past and present remarks reek of denial of the 1st.

Garbage. Pointing out his craziness is in no way denial of his rights. Where do you get such goofy ideas?

December 25, 2011 at 4:52 p.m.
rolando said...

Sorry, lkeithlu, I added a bit to my last. It perhaps would clarify that issue. It has to do with derisive labeling. And it most certainly is a covert, implied denial of rights.

December 25, 2011 at 4:58 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

In no way is pointing out what appears to be behavior outside of what is considered normal in a video posted voluntarily by the subject a denial of that subject's rights to freely express themselves. Even when the behavior is grounded in religion. You have an odd understanding of what constitutes rights, hon.

December 25, 2011 at 5:01 p.m.

Might I suggest a discussion of the image, rather than of the poster in question (or the artist for that matter)?

It's not exactly the best image I've ever seen, since I'm finding it hard to fathom why Santa would be melting in a fire. I get how the stockings are empty, but it just seems to lack a connecting thread.

December 25, 2011 at 5:19 p.m.
LibDem said...

"...derisive labeling. And it most certainly is a covert, implied denial of rights." As in, 'libtards and lieberals' 'Obama der Uberliemaster' 'Obozo' 'Oblamea'

December 25, 2011 at 5:40 p.m.
dude_abides said...

rolando... you okay with tu_quoque the atheist having fun with the Bible on Christmas Day? Really interested to hear your take on that.

December 25, 2011 at 5:51 p.m.
rolando said...

Exactly, LibDem, exactly. And anyone can use it.


Dude -- everyone, even you, is guaranteed the inborn right to free speech, even anti-Biblical or confused, rambling speech. I couldn't take more than 15-20 seconds of [Andrew's] rambling, myself...but I don't belittle him for it, so long as he believes it and doesn't try to ram it down everyone's throat. To each his own.


lkeithlu -- I am a firm believer in not only the word of the Constitution, but the spirit and the times in which it was written. Rights -- all rights are inborn [my word...God-given]. That includes, but is not limited by, the Bill of Rights. It merely listed the most important ones to [supposedly] prevent a government from violating them.

Perhaps you haven't experienced the power of labeling and its use as a de-humanizer and hence a basis in which to deny rights. Perhaps you might google de-humanizers, etc. All nations practice it against their foreign and domestic enemies...even us. Teabaggers, for instance. Libtards, for another.

December 25, 2011 at 6:16 p.m.
jesse said...

alprova I apologize!!1st. time i watched it i didn,t read the fine print!i thought you found a video of some maniac and hung it on andrew. i just went back and seen THAT's REALLY HIM!!!!!WOW

AGAIN!! I'M SORRY!!!

December 25, 2011 at 6:25 p.m.
rolando said...

happywithnewbulbs -- Since the concept of Santa Claus was/is based on a real human, it follows that Santa might react to fire as does a human, both physically and mentally.

Human bodies burn -- fueled by their own body fat. They don't "melt" per se but the heat-liquified body fat burns the solids down to ash.

Clay shows Santa's costume as unconsumed -- perhaps it is made from Nomex fibers. It also provides identity.

December 25, 2011 at 6:29 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Perhaps you haven't experienced the power of labeling and its use as a de-humanizer and hence a basis in which to deny rights. Perhaps you might google de-humanizers, etc. All nations practice it against their foreign and domestic enemies...even us. Teabaggers, for instance. Libtards, for another.

This is the most thoughtful comment I have ever seen you post.

December 25, 2011 at 6:37 p.m.

Rolando, no, questions of the accuracy of the depiction aside, what is really missing is the idea behind it. I think a label for the fire would have conveyed something, but without that, it's just lacking meaning to go with the empty stockings.

December 25, 2011 at 7:16 p.m.
rolando said...

Thank you, lkeithlu. It came easy -- and without filtering. Injustice reigns supreme behind "labeling".

I dealt professionally with the issue of labeling for decades. My first experience was the "Japs" -- given that label on 8 Dec 41. It was added to by our actions at Manzanar -- not because we imprisoned Nisei [we had reason] but because we effectively seized their property without paying them for it -- for non-payment of taxes, etc. They effectively lost their right to own private property...aided and abetted by labeling.

Hitler used labeling to great effect.

"So it goes."

Time to watch the Mormon Choir Christmas presentation. [Quality can be admired regardless of sponsor...the Bolshoi, for instance.]

Take care. Enjoy a fire, good conversation, a cat [perhaps], and even a good book this evening...along with a well-nutmegged eggnog...

December 25, 2011 at 7:23 p.m.
rolando said...

Indeed, happy. You have hit on something.

Clay usually labels everything. Makes me wonder if he removed something. He usually manages to condemn the Rupublicans, TEA Partiers, or Conservatives for something in his cartoons. It is obligatory.

December 25, 2011 at 7:26 p.m.

A caption or other label is important in imagery, when there's no clear identification available. Sometimes even when it is, just so it's more clear. Happens all the time on the news channels, for example.

Nothing wrong with a nametag or a description. Or, if it's not important, just leave the Santa bit out, I think a plain fire would have worked just as well if there was no meaning to what was shown. Or even just a burned out log.

With the Santa's Apparel being there, though, I just don't know what Clay Bennett is trying to say, in any specific terms.

If you have no particular insight to offer though, perhaps we might hope that there's some clarification provided later. I doubt rotating it would provide that flash of comprehension though.

December 25, 2011 at 7:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Take care. Enjoy a fire, good conversation, a cat [perhaps], and even a good book this evening...along with a well-nutmegged eggnog...

No fire (no fireplace) no cat (allergic-but unfortunately no dog-first Christmas without our beloved pooch who died at 14+ last February) and our adult beverage does not include eggnog but no matter...good company and family even so. Hope to meet you someday. Merry Christmas.

December 25, 2011 at 7:39 p.m.
rolando said...

Happy Holidays to you, too. A meet would be...ah...interesting, as well as enjoyable.

December 25, 2011 at 8:29 p.m.
rolando said...

Don't wait too long, happywithbulbs. Clay subscribes to the lordly position of, "Never explain, never apologize".

The depth of Clay's 'toons are in the eye of the beholder. How would you label the log/fire? Perhaps the log should be "JOBS" and the fire "Socialism". The stockings [stuffed] would bear various names; Holder, BATFE, Mexican cartels, Amnesty, etc.

December 25, 2011 at 8:40 p.m.

It'll not bother much me if there's no further explanation to come, more images will appear, this one will be supplanted in my memories without much delay, but I think you're trying too hard to reach for an explanation without realizing what you might be saying (the idea that a log representing jobs creates the soothing warmth offered by socialism is perhaps not what you would want to be saying), or just throwing far too much together to try to make a point, which regardless of your feelings, has naught to do with the original image.

If you want to represent something of your own ideas, that's fine, but it still won't address the meaning of what was expressed in this image here. And as I said, I am perplexed by the one part of it, so I cannot offer any suggestion whatsoever as to the meaning. And if the Santa costume has no meaning, well, then I think removing it might have been my choice, but that's only speculation that I offer.

December 25, 2011 at 9:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Maybe he means the cofounder of Apple, Inc. has gone to hell.

December 25, 2011 at 9:51 p.m.
alprova said...

BobMKE wrote: "I am sure there are posters here who run a company/business or have a relative or close friend who does. My question is, would anyone stick their neck out and hire additional people now knowing how costly Oblamea Care is/or will be. ORRRRRRRRRR do you sit on your assets and wait for the election to see if Oblamea is defeated?"

I opened a new business on December the 1st. The Presidential election, no matter how it turns out, has and had no effect on my decision to do so. I hired three people to help me run it.

This notion being expressed by anti-Obamists, such as yourself, is nothing but pure bunk. I don't fear the current President and I don't fear the election of a Republican either.

I'm still waiting for anyone to post a legitimate and distinct complaint, outlining exactly how President Obama has hurt business people in this country.

"Oblamea has nothing to run on and must defend himself and it will be about him."

Still making that whine, are you? You and other like yourself are going to be sorely disappointed when he hits the stage. He has amassed a fine record of achievements since he has been in office. Look forward to hearing them in the coming months.

"If Newt gets in then they both have to defend themselves."

Newt is toast.

"The only hope is Mitt (the RINO) and he can take to Oblamea and won't have to defend himself that much. Your thoughts?"

If the Republicans are hanging their hats on Mitt Romney, you have already lost. Better luck in 2016, when it will be anybody's game.

December 25, 2011 at 10:58 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "alprova I apologize!!1st. time i watched it i didn,t read the fine print!i thought you found a video of some maniac and hung it on andrew. i just went back and seen THAT's REALLY HIM!!!!!WOW"

"AGAIN!! I'M SORRY!!!"

It's a-okay. Yep, that's the man himself.

December 25, 2011 at 11:04 p.m.
alprova said...

Bob and some others have expressed the opinion that President Obama cannot run on his record. I beg to disagree with such opinions. For instance, he has amassed a fine record since assuming office;

Ordered all federal agencies to conduct a study and make recommendations on how to cut spending.

Signed into law equal pay for women doing the same job as a man.

Ended the war in Iraq with the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.

Signed an executive order, providing funds to the families of fallen soldiers, so that they can be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB.

Ended the policy of having a media blackout on war casualties and allowed the reporting of full information.

Media is now permitted to film the unloading of fallen soldiers caskets so long as they adhere to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s families.

The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act.

Instituted limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House.

Instituted limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the Obama administration.

Ended the stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan for a time limit exceeding agreements that were signed to when they enlisted.

Phased out the F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in current military operations.

Removed limitations to embryonic stem-cell research.

Permitted states to enact federal fuel efficiency standards over and above federal standards.

Increased spending to update infrastructure after years of neglect.

Provided new funds for school construction and internet access.

Instituted a plan to rescue the US Auto industry.

Instituted the US financial and banking rescue plan.

Ordered secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed.

Ordered and end to the torture policies previously in place and now the U.S. is in full compliance with the Geneva Convention standards.

The missile defense program was cut by $1.4 billion in 2010.

Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols.

Reengaged in treaties/agreements to help protect the Antarctic.

Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions.

Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office.

Instituted appealing tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid motor vehicles.

(To be cont.)

December 26, 2011 at 12:04 a.m.
alprova said...

(Cont.)

Instituted the highly successful "Cash for Clunkers" program, offering vouchers for trade-in vehicles that were fuel inefficient, for new cars, which stimulated auto sales.

Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government, and acted on those plans.

Expanded the SCHIP program to cover the health care costs for 4 million more children.

Instituted a new, relaxed policy regarding Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home for the first time in more than 50 years.

Closed loopholes regarding offshore tax safe havens.

Negotiated a deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.

Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations that outsource American jobs, along with the offering of a new tax break offer to companies that bring jobs back.

Instituted new consumer protections, ordering credit card industry’s to amend their predatory practices.

Instituted a new policy ordering energy producing plants to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources.

Ordered drug manufacturers to lower drug costs for seniors.

Ordered an end to the previous policy of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs, resulting in several million dollars in savings.

(To Be Cont.)

December 26, 2011 at 12:26 a.m.
alprova said...

(Cont.)

Authorized additional health centers to care for veterans.

Increased the pay and benefits for military personnel.

Improved housing standards for military personnel.

Initiated a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses.

Ordered an overhaul of the conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and several other military hospitals.

Increased access of students to student loans.

Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years, reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy.

Established a new cyber security office.

Ordered the reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force.

Ended previous administrations policies of awarding no-bid defense contracts.

Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness.

Ordered financial institutions to refinance loans with students struggling to make college loan payments.

Instituted an improvement to benefits for veterans.

Instituted an investigation into those accused of mortgage fraud.

Instituted and ordered The FDA to regulate tobacco.

Authorized discussions with North Korea and a private mission by Former President Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in North Korean prisons.

Provided more loans to be available to small businesses.

Established an independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare.

Limited salaries of senior White House aides, cutting them to no more than $100,000.

Renewed loan guarantees for Israel.

Ordered the Deployment of additional troops to Afghanistan.

Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production.

Reformed the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under-insured.

Has called for comprehensive immigration reform.

Oh Yes, the President has accomplished all this and more since he has been in the Oval Office, but you'll never read or hear about all the above on anti-Obama outlets.

December 26, 2011 at 12:26 a.m.
acerigger said...

Alprova,,good job!

December 26, 2011 at 1:26 a.m.
alprova said...

Thanks acerigger.

December 26, 2011 at 3:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

The cannons roared but there are very few holes in the target.

December 26, 2011 at 4:07 a.m.
rolando said...

Happy -- Interpret the drawing [and my posts] however you wish. Your interpretation is as good as that of anyone else.

December 26, 2011 at 6:33 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Al,

I admire your heartfelt listing on OB's record as President. I wish you well in your business in 2012. Here's the but. No matter what you say , I believe that other business people are going to seat on their assets even though you are not. That is a big problem for OB and this Country regarding job growth all because of Oblameacare.

December 26, 2011 at 8:43 a.m.

I noticed that there was no mention about the $535 million loan that he pushed through for the now bankrupt Solyndra. I guess this 1/2 billion dollar blunder was just easy to overlook.

December 26, 2011 at 8:51 a.m.
alprova said...

BobMKE wrote: "Al, I admire your heartfelt listing on OB's record as President. I wish you well in your business in 2012. Here's the but. No matter what you say , I believe that other business people are going to seat on their assets even though you are not. That is a big problem for OB and this Country regarding job growth all because of Oblameacare."

And to those people, I say they are idiots, cutting off their nose to spite their own face. Why anyone would refuse to expand their businesses, if the sales are there, is beyond all comprehension.

Obamacare comes with generous tax breaks, grants, and incentives to persuade employers to provide health insurance coverage for their employees. From the smallest of employers to large corporations, it is to an employers advantage to embrace it.

December 26, 2011 at 9:09 a.m.
alprova said...

lovetheusaorleave wrote: "I noticed that there was no mention about the $535 million loan that he pushed through for the now bankrupt Solyndra. I guess this 1/2 billion dollar blunder was just easy to overlook."

Could that be due to the fact that to date, and after extensive investigation, the President had no direct involvement in the decision to loan Solyndra those millions of dollars.

And even if he had, it is a fact that not all businesses survive, no matter how much money is pumped into them. Blame our trade agreements with China, for that is exactly the reason the Solyndra failed. Solar panels imported from China are far cheaper than those produced by Solydra were.

For all this tall talk of people wanting jobs to return to the United States, consumers will still default to a cheaper priced product, of questionable quality, each and every time.

The product was viable. The time to invest in it was right. Unfortunately, sales were not what were hoped for. There are several reasons why that happened. The capitalist system recorded a bust. Solyndra failed.

Other business ventures funded and guaranteed by the Department of Energy, through grants and loans are thriving.

December 26, 2011 at 9:31 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "The cannons roared but there are very few holes in the target."

What else should or could be expected from you? You're just one of many anti-Obama idjets, who have never once given the man credit for anything that he has done to save and/or improve this nation.

Since he assumed office, the man has been working relentlessly to stabilize our economy. No man could have done better than he has, or would have taken the political risks that he has, to try to stave off disaster.

For sure, a list could be compiled of failures he has Presided over, but then, what President has ever been perfect? There are people in this nation that have spent each and every day of their lives, since he has been President, seeking to expose a conspiracy in every move he makes, and it has become very ridiculous.

I think that the list I supplied hits many targets. Many of them were bulls eyes. I'm sorry that you disagree.

By all means, put your stock back into people who derailed our economy to the tune of the 1929 Stock Market crash, and in just about the same manner too.

Me? I'm betting on a sure thing.

December 26, 2011 at 9:50 a.m.

alprova said... Could that be due to the fact that to date, and after extensive investigation, the President had no direct involvement in the decision to loan Solyndra those millions of dollars.

I guess a person really needs to look at who done the investigation and whether or not you want to believe it. But I am sure most will only believe what their particular side presents. But the investigation is still ongoing, and if your proof is all top administrators pleading the 5th then that is almost as laughable as you defending it. I have always heard where there is smoke there is fire, but in this case it was more like a inferno.

December 26, 2011 at 11:41 a.m.
alprova said...

lovetheusaorleave wrote: "I guess a person really needs to look at who done the investigation and whether or not you want to believe it. But I am sure most will only believe what their particular side presents. But the investigation is still ongoing, and if your proof is all top administrators pleading the 5th then that is almost as laughable as you defending it."

To the best of my knowledge, nobody has pleaded the 5th in response to any investigation into Solyndra.

"I have always heard where there is smoke there is fire, but in this case it was more like a inferno."

Well of course, you are free to believe whatever you wish, however, in the case of Solyndra, it's pretty much been investigated and not much has been dug up that rises to the level of a conspiracy, much to the disappointment of the Obama haters.

December 26, 2011 at 11:53 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tor_quemada... "Well I've always said, there's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not." -Monty Python

I was under the impression that rolando was a spiritual being when I asked him about your comedic use of Bible syntax. Apparently, I was wrong. Indeed, he can be seen later in the evening coyly suggesting that someone curl up by a fire and get their egg nog nutmegged! On Christmas Day!?!? If I were a priest (or a Penn State football coach), I would sentence him to 10 Hey, Mary!s and tell him to rub his rosary beads somewhere else.

December 26, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_smartforGod... You are an atheist. Wait, does self-adoration count as a religion?

December 26, 2011 at 12:05 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"les Français sont des étrangers au courage et au savon." - Kierkegaard

tu_q... You put the "I" in idolatry.

December 26, 2011 at 2:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Me? I'm betting on a sure thing.

I have no doubt you believe you are. It may indeed be a sure thing bet but possibly not with the results you are betting on. You know the results that most get when they think they are making a sure thing bet. You could check out how many hedge fund managers have busted out this year. The banks thought they had a "sure thing" bet. I don't see a winning horse in the race from either stable and will probably not even buy a ticket.

December 26, 2011 at 6:21 p.m.
fairmon said...

Most sure thing bets are sucker bets I do hope the one you are making is not since Obama can't be beaten in 2012, he has no strong opponent.

December 26, 2011 at 10:44 p.m.
acerigger said...

I've been wondering what happened to the Repub "jobs,jobs,jobs" plan that they ran on in 2010,now I know,it was just them blowing smoke up our ashes. Thanks Clay!

December 27, 2011 at 12:16 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

You got this one just exactly right. Burned up the guy who was supposed to bring the jobs; the employer. Make it too expensive to do business, and that puts him out of business.

The health care plan, uncertainty about tax rates, and slow business with no hope of relief (combined with lots of other related things) did the "job" on jobs.

Seeing the employer as "Santa Claus" is a big part of the problem. He can't give away what he doesn't have. Too many people don't understand what it takes to run a business, and they think the world owes them a living. That's how we got to the place where we are today.

December 27, 2011 at 5:03 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"The problem is that they have no single program," he said.

"They have many individual programs, but no unified one and no clear way to reach their goals, which are also not clear."

Sounds like the GOP re: OWS, but it's not! It's Vladimir Putin!

December 27, 2011 at 6:01 p.m.
acerigger said...

The 99%movement is not restricted to the good ol' USA!

December 27, 2011 at 8:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

OSCEOLA, Iowa -- In what the Texas governor calls a "transformation," Rick Perry on Tuesday said that he has reversed his acceptance of abortion in some severe circumstances, saying that he now opposes the procedure even in cases of rape and incest.

This is by far the funniest bunch of dickheads to ever Keystone Kop their way into Iowa. If I were a republican I would be absolutely mortified. Even in Chattanooga, "none of the above" got more votes (30%) than any contender (WRCB.com poll).

December 27, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.
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