published Tuesday, February 1st, 2011

Egypt

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The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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nucanuck said...

Whatever -ocracy comes next in Egypt,let it be the will of the people without intervention from the outside. Let them build a uniquely Egyptian government of which they are justifiably proud.

February 1, 2011 at 1:20 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Wow Clay, you nailed that one. Great toon.

I have been to Egypt several times. What a corrupt, basket case of a country. Contrary to the recent riots, I believe that the country is not ready for democracy but is basically comfortable or generally tolerant of an autocratic regime.

Time will tell.

February 1, 2011 at 1:26 a.m.
nucanuck said...

hd,

How does a country like Egypt get ready for democracy? They just have to jump in and give it their best shot. Should they fail,hopefully they will find a benevolent dictator,but Egypt and the rest of the Arab world is due for a re-emergence. Their ancient culture and history give them a strong base on which to build.

A politically healthy Arab world might well help stabilize this difficult and complex part of the world.

We in the West can certainly say that we have made a mess of things Middle Eastern.

February 1, 2011 at 2:34 a.m.
fairmon said...

It may be in our best interest to quit interfering in the affairs of other countries. Let Egyptian people decide the government they want in whatever manner they use to select it. We are not and cannot affored to be the world police. Americans and our government need to learn to accept and deal with other countires on their own terms. This again emphasizes why we need to be energy independent and be able to produce in this country what we need should the current source no longer be available.

Our education system is cranking out a lot of people only prepared to make trinkets so we should make trinkets in addition to more complex products and technology.

February 1, 2011 at 2:38 a.m.
woody said...

What the people want..that's what the people should have. The problem is.. the people don't know what they want. They only know what they don't want..and that's Mubarik.

Given our recent 'track record', yes, the U.S. should leave the Egyptians to their own devices. But can we afford to??

We don't have that many friends in that area of the world, and should we lose Egypt, to whatever faction that may prevail, we stand to lose a lot..a whole lot.

This is one of those situations where 'cooler heads' must prevail, or the whole world could suffer the consequence.

Here is where Hillary will earn her pay.

Later, Woody

February 1, 2011 at 6:21 a.m.
Clara said...

A friend sent me the following on Egypt and Tunesia history.

"One of the factlets that I have learned while reading various books is that while most of the rest of the world at the time had cities within fortified walls, Ancient Egypt did not. The only walls were for flood control.

Neighboring Jerusalem and Tunis had their great walls, but not Alexandria, nor Cairo, nor Luxor...What does that say about the ancient Egyptians' view of the world? Certainly less paranoid." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Somewhere I seem to remember hearing that Tunisia was settled by a people derived from the Nordic countries. From the northlands came the Goths, who divided into the Ostragoths (east) and the Visigoths (west). The Visigoths settled first in France, and then were pushed south into Spain, and finally pushed across the Strait of Gibraltar into Africa, and then moved east to settle in Carthage, what is today Tunisia. From there Hannibal and friends decided to attack the Romans, and so on...

Gist of it all: the Tunisians and the Egyptians are in their backgrounds different than the surrounding peoples."

February 1, 2011 at 6:43 a.m.
EaTn said...

The current situation in Egypt is another piece of the puzzle, along with Iraq and other mid-East neighbors, which started around 1948 with Israel being reborn as a nation. All is foretold in the Bible: twenty five hundred years ago by the prophets and later by Jesus. Scoffers are also part of the puzzle--so bring on the naysayers.

February 1, 2011 at 7:11 a.m.
delmar said...

Hopefully the democracy building team gets the job done before the theocracy team has a chance to start.

February 1, 2011 at 7:27 a.m.
WhitesCreek said...

It is almost comical to see the end timers come out again. Biblically prophesied Armageddon has been supposedly nigh upon us a couple of hundred times now. Most of the problems in the Middle East are resulting from decades of outside meddling and support for repressive regimes. Unfortunately it is these times of revolutionary change that are ripe for seeing one repressive regime collapse only to be replaced by another, as was the case in Iran. As Mr. Bennett astutely notes, this could well be the case in Egypt.

If America were not ruled by fascists, we could expect our motives to be pure and we would assist in setting up governments similar to what we saw take place in Japan and Germany after WWII. But we are and we won't.

February 1, 2011 at 7:31 a.m.
EaTn said...

WhitesCreek--I have a better appreciation for a book critique when they've show to have read and understood the entire book. One tends to miss a lot when they just watch the movie.

February 1, 2011 at 8:06 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Nucanuk wrote, "Whatever -ocracy comes next in Egypt,let it be the will of the people without intervention from the outside. Let them build a uniquely Egyptian government of which they are justifiably proud."

That's true in theory but let's not forget about the 2006 elections in Gaza the radical Islamic movement Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament. (Sidebar: Egypt helped broker an informal truce between Hamas and Israel in 2008.)

Harp said, "Let Egyptian people decide the government they want in whatever manner they use to select it. "

Exactly right, but what do we do if an Hamas-style government emerges, one hostile to Israel and sympathetic with Iran? The 1978 Camp David Accords were signed by Egyptian President Anwar El Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. Egypt has honored its end of the Accords but the truce might soon be history.

Also, Egypt controls the Suez Canal. While we should keep our noses out of it, how could we stand by and let Egypt veer off into a radical Islamic state?

February 1, 2011 at 9 a.m.
alprova said...

All I want to know is how they get that last stone on top.

The United States has a little too much on its plate at the moment to start another effort to "stabilize" yet another Middle Eastern Nation.

Isn't the intrusion into the affairs of others by our leaders a big reason why this country has amassed an inordinate amount of debt? Enough already. 3,000+ innocent Americans went to an early grave due to our leaders sticking their noses where they did not belong.

This country is nowhere near a shining example of democracy that can be held up and admired. Let them work out their own problems...period.

Let's get back to working on solving our own problems, which are quite numerous at the moment, or did everyone forget about them?

February 1, 2011 at 9:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

Send V.P.Biden to solve the problem, he would have them talking to each other and to their self.

Our mental map of what people want and how they think assumes everyone in the world wants what we want and thinks like we do. So, we assume if given the opportunity they want to be like us. We seem to conclude if they don't they must be ignorant and radical in their thinking. Why do we think we can force any group of people to think and act as we think they should?

This generation is not likely to see peace or a stable republic in any middle east country. We may want to pay more attention to maintaining our own freedom. We need a strong military and leaders capable, ready and willing to annihilate any country that is the source of an attack on us but never the aggressor or occupier of any country.

Egypt will evolve to something different than what we may think they should have. But, with no industry, little agriculture and essentially dependent on Suez canal oil transporting revenue and tourism they will still be impoverished.

February 1, 2011 at 9:09 a.m.
daver said...

mubarak seemed to accept that the unemployment will be high. sound familiar? mubarak is an authoritarian...but he's no more of an authoritarian than the liberals in this country who look at the citizenry as pawns to to squeeze money out of so they can gain control of their lives.

it's foolish to abandon mubarak at this time. better that he remain and hope that he caves to the pressure from other countries, like the usa, to reform or else...than to have another radical muslim country around. if radical muslims get a hold of the suez canal..or egypts military then how does that help the world?

the muslim brotherhood, that radical organization, is waiting to swoop in. the rest of the world should do everything it can to prevent it.....better mubarak than another version of iran.

February 1, 2011 at 9:12 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Daver pointed out that, "the muslim brotherhood, that radical organization, is waiting to swoop in. the rest of the world should do everything it can to prevent it.....better mubarak than another version of iran."

Well, that's true, but Mubarak is done. We don't need to have Islamic extremists in control of a modern military (compliments of the U.S.) hell-bent on destroying Israel. Can anyone imagine a scenario where American forces are not deployed to 'stabilize the government' and keep the oil flowing through the Suez Canal. Anyone?

Would you prefer that Israel launch a preemptive strike? i think that would fall under the category of 'all hell breaking loose.'

February 1, 2011 at 9:53 a.m.
SavartiTN said...

How about a cartoon like that with the Washington monument or something and include "plut" with the "ocracy" while they push off "dem."

February 1, 2011 at 10 a.m.
woody said...

Alprova wrote, "All I want to know is how they get that last stone on top?"

My thoughts exactly. Since when do you (re)build a house from the top down??

Until the general masses have a consensus on what they truly want, bringing down Mubarik might seem like the first and most productive thing to do, but they will actually be more akin to a rudderless ship.

Just one man's opinion, Woody

February 1, 2011 at 10:09 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

What, a relevant cartoon? Did clay get off the sauce last night? Better late than never.

Me thinks the cartoon would be even more relevant if it was Hillary Clinton and/or Barack Obama helping to push the “Aut” off the top of the pyramid. This because of Clinton’s comments about transition. She should be keeping her trap shut and working with Egypt behind the scenes to put massive pressure on Mubarak to reform that government, introduce selection of key positions by voting, dropping state of emergency powers, and scheduling a vote for his replacement.

This is happening now because the theocrats think they have a chance to take the government. It would be stupid to take the Carter path and withdraw support for the current regime without first helping more moderate forces get a chance at gaining power in the country. Right now, it looks like Obama would like to see Iran2 on Israel’s doorstep, or he just does not care about that. Clearly he is not a friend to Israel.

clay has the expressions of the "THE" and "DEM" guys exactly right. The "THE" guys are focused on the top of that pyramid and the "DEM" guys are focused in fear on the "THE" guys.

February 1, 2011 at 10:12 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Blackwater,

You seem to imply that the US could and should try to insure/affect the direction of the next Egyptian government. It seems to me that the US has very little chance of appearing to be the honest broker given the unqualified support shown for Israel against the Palestinians over the years.

Certainly radical Islam (reported to be about 30%) will try to assert themselves,but that's what self governance is all about...different factions all having a place at the table.

The US needs to be supporting ideals ,not factions...hopefully those days are behind us.

February 1, 2011 at 11:11 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Nucanuck,

I agree that Democracy is a process, but one that doesn't always produce results that best serve American interests. I'm merely speculating on what the future may bring and how our Government will react.

There is an 'election' already scheduled and will hopefully produce a moderate government, but that may be wishful thinking.

We invaded Iraq with much less on the line. Calling this a crisis is lowballing the situation. Unrest seems to be sprouting throughout the region following the uprising in Tunisia, with this report from Jordan today from The Guardian:

"King Abdullah asked Marouf Bakhit to form a new government following the resignation of Samir al-Rifai after weeks of protests by Jordanians calling on him to step down.

Bakhit was asked to take "practical, swift and tangible steps to launch a real political reform process, in line with the king's vision of comprehensive reform, modernisation and development", said a statement from the royal palace.

But the opposition Islamic Action Front quickly attacked the appointment as "inappropriate", blaming Bakhit for presiding over corruption, electoral fraud and mismanagement during what spokesman Zaki Bani Rashid described as the "bitter experience" of Bakhit's first term in an interview with the Ammanet website.

Abdullah has dismissed prime ministers in the past but the background of protests at home and the intense focus on Egypt gives added significance to this move, which was immediately seen as an extension of spreading regional unrest."

Democracy is a process, but it may not result in regional governments that will protect our oil interests. We still import 5 million barrels of oil per day and any interruption will put this Country on energy life support.

We have to assume the worst case scenario, and, if that happens, what do we do? What would you do?

February 1, 2011 at 11:48 a.m.
nucanuck said...

To quote Pat Buchanan,"It's their world,not ours."

February 1, 2011 at 11:48 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

It is their world, but what do we do if we wake up tomorrow and discover that they're turned off the pumps? What if the new governments through OPEC impose another Oil Embargo on the satanic West?

We should all be very wary. I don't know what the answers are, but then, I'm not sure any of us really know all the questions.

February 1, 2011 at 11:57 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Blackwater,

We are watching a revolution,not unlike when the countries of Eastern Europe broke away from mother Russia. The peoples of the Middle east are withdrawing their consent to be governed by dictators. These are their lives to make of what they will.

As for oil,it is a commercial product that will continue to be traded,whoever governs.

As for Israel,it will now be in their best interest to seek a true accord or they will be swallowed up over time.

As for the US,this is our time to stand for the princples we espouse for ourselves and for others.

February 1, 2011 at 12:05 p.m.
Clara said...

As was pointed out by someone else, aside from getting rid of Mubarak, what else do the "people" want? What are their organized plans for correction of abuses, besides following blindly the leaders of different factions.

We are a plutocracy, obviously, and should not interfere with a country's people who look for another leader, theocratic, democratic or whatever. We should look to ourselves first to see what we are since WWII.

Lunch time...I'm blessed that I have something to eat.

February 1, 2011 at 12:06 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

As the old saying goes, "The devil you know is often better than the devil you don't know". I don't pretend to know what is best for Egypt but am fearful of what may come.

EaTn has hit the nail on the head by the way.

February 1, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.
nucanuck said...

Blackwater,

Are you saying that it is their world,but our protectorate? What gives us that right?

Just as many of the countries in South America have sought a new direction,so might the nations of the Middle East. Just as the US adjusted to the new reality in South America,so will we adjust to the new realities in the Middle East.

To say that our need for oil gives us the right to subjugate the world,or any country,is Imperialism at it's worst.

We have known for forty years that we would not always be able to consume 5X our share of world oil, While that is not soon coming to an end,these events should sharpen our focus on how we fit into the world that is emerging.

February 1, 2011 at 12:30 p.m.
jpo3136 said...

Considering that most stable countries of the world are parliamentary republics, I have to wonder how many of our residents understood the meaning of the words autocracy, democracy and theocracy.

Interestingly, notice how each of our three branches of government, while democratically elected and appointed republic offices, each have some of those three same qualities.

Structural flexibility, limitations on any one individual's power, the general population's right of self determination, and the presence of inalienable basic human rights have all been important survival traits for contemporary governments.

All of those qualities can be achieved, regardless of the name of the label of the government that may arise.

February 1, 2011 at 12:48 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

Nucanuck,

I don't disagree with anything you have said. I'm saying it's lunchtime and time for a realty sandwich.

February 1, 2011 at 12:56 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

I see media hypocrite Ann Coulter has spoken:

"Mob riots like this have never led to something good."

Indeed, Ann Coulter should know a lot about the subject of the “mob mentality” since she has made a career out of inciting hatred and promoting mob mentalities.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/ann-coulters-expertise-on-mobs-and-liberals-finds-nothing-good-in-egyptian-protests-video.php?ref=fpb

February 1, 2011 at 1:09 p.m.
acerigger said...

"mubarak is an authoritarian...but he's no more of an authoritarian than the liberals in this country who look at the citizenry as pawns to to squeeze money out of so they can gain control of their lives."Username: daver | On: February 1, 2011 at 9:12 a.m.

Is that you francis??

February 1, 2011 at 1:19 p.m.
nucanuck said...

blackwater,

I believe that,left to their own devices,over time,moderate voices will prevail. There is a moderate Islam that shares our hopes and dreams for our families,but the rhetoric has been so harsh that America has come see to a suicide vest on the entire Middle East.

Their universe of American supported dictators has colored their thinking about the US. We need to show support for emerging democracies even when they may not initially be our new best friends. In the end,that is our best hope.

If we put aside our apprehensions and help the Middle East achieve their aspirations,this could become a win win.

February 1, 2011 at 1:24 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

Apparently, the revolution WILL be televised.

And twittered.

And friended on Facebook.

And all over the internet.

Brave New World, indeed!

February 1, 2011 at 1:46 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Daver said: “Mubarak seemed to accept that the unemployment will be high. sound
familiar? mubarak is an authoritarian...but he's no more of an authoritarian
than the liberals in this country”

I agree employment is critical factor in maintaining peace, but I think you're confused. Granted, the Democrats' jobs agenda is modest, but as Steven Benen at Washington Monthly points out, jobs do not even appear on the Republican agenda:

“. . . For a year and a half, job creation was ostensibly the GOP's top goal. In March, almost immediately after the Affordable Care Act became law, John Boehner asked, "When are we going to address the number one issue on the minds of our fellow citizens? When are we going to focus on the economy and getting people back to work?"

Nearly a year later, Boehner and his caucus have stopped asking, and appear eager to tackle just about every issue other than job creation. Nearly a month into the new Congress, we've seen Republican leaders commit to gutting the health care system, an anti-abortion bill, school vouchers, tackling marriage rights in the District of Columbia, and make plenty of vague threats about spending cuts, all of which would undermine job creation.

But not a word about actually creating a job for anyone."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ [“Pivoting to Jobs” Washington Monthly – Steve Benen]

February 1, 2011 at 2:57 p.m.
steve_smith_tn said...

Nice cartoon.

I agree with the comments about self determinism. The upside: Egyptians should be able to determine whether they want to continue to be an ally of the West or an enemy of it.

Since the 1500's, there has been a nearly uncontested march of Western ideas across the world. That hegemony is declining. The downside: If people thought intra-Western World Wars were horrific, I'm afraid the coming struggles between pre-Renaissance and post Renaissance cultures may be too much to bear.

February 1, 2011 at 3:04 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

There you go again, Mountainlaurel, providing facts that don't fit into the negative narrative entertained by most conservatives. Their mind set is, well, set. Rooted deep within their cerebral cortex where factual reasoning and irrefutable logic resemble adults talking in a Peanuts TV show.

Don't tell them that America is still the number one manufacturing nation on earth, that factories have begun to hire new workers, and that the economy has been adding new private sector jobs every month for a year now. Wonk, wonk, wonk...

Maybe the GOP has abandoned their jobs mantra because they know that Obama has turned around the economy:D

February 1, 2011 at 3:10 p.m.
daver said...

obama hasn't turned around anything....how ridiculous..........obama is trying to come across like reagan now.....why is that? even, time magazine, is attempt ing to connect obama and reagan....come on...you're not fooling anyone. if the republicans didn't kick ass on november 2nd obama would have continued on his facist or communist march..however you want to label it. the unemploy ment rate is outrageous, the housing market sucks...more people are on food stamps......if things are improving it's because of november 2nd's results.. what it did, at the least, is give employers/companies hope that obama's grim reaper approach to the private sector and business will not go on and on and on...

obama is for obama..if it helps him to be like ronald reagan......a real leader, by the way, then he'll be like him in order to have better poll numbers.

if things are improving it's inspite of obama not because of him....he's clueless...the private sector is smarter, more creative and more resiliant than you authoritarian/gov. control types can imagine.

it's just stupid to bitch and moan about someone like mubarak, who is about control, then continue your lovefest for obama....who believes, despite his attempt to convince people now he's a capitalist,...and the governement should mandate and control as much as possible.

i loved the way the judge in florida used obama's own words against him....obamacare is an assault on freedom and an slap in the face to doctors and nurses.

February 1, 2011 at 3:40 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

That you, daver, for showing us exactly what I was talking about. Thanks!

February 1, 2011 at 3:50 p.m.
alprova said...

Nucanick wrote: "To quote Pat Buchanan,"It's their world,not ours."..."


Aw crap...now that I know that Pat Buchanan is against assisting the Egyptian people in any way, I may have to reverse my position.

Mubarak has reduced his position from firing everyone else to deciding that he will not run for office again.

How many hours before Mubarak resigns? The people are not going to settle for anything less.

February 1, 2011 at 4:35 p.m.
alprova said...

Woody wrote: "Until the general masses have a consensus on what they truly want, bringing down Mubarik might seem like the first and most productive thing to do, but they will actually be more akin to a rudderless ship."


Be that as it may, I fear that the above is where all of this will wind up before it is all over.

February 1, 2011 at 4:49 p.m.
alprova said...

Acerigger wrote: "Is that you francis??"


He doesn't try hard enough to hide his sock puppets. It's Francis alright.

February 1, 2011 at 4:55 p.m.
hambone said...

If memory serves me right, Egypt doesn't have vast oil deposits.

Just the Suez Canal and a pipeline moving oil from the middle east.

Unless there's a worldwide sand shortage we won't need to invade.

Yes Ace your right. It is Francis

February 1, 2011 at 5:32 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

nucanuk "How does a country like Egypt get ready for democracy? They just have to jump in and give it their best shot."

I am not saying that there may be a benefit to them in trying democracy. As I stated, they are "basically comfortable or generally tolerant of an autocratic regime" and have been for thousands of years.

Less than 25% of the country's 32 million registered voters (out of a population of more than 72 million) turned out for the 2005 elections.

Most of the recent riots against Mubark have been in regards to corruption, food shortages, inflation, etc. Egyptians have been mostly acceptable of autocratic rule.

In Arabic countries a cry for regime change is not necessarily a cry for a democratic society.

February 1, 2011 at 6:50 p.m.
Clara said...

Pres. Mubarak says he'll quit when is term is over.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/world/middleeast/02transition.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

My concern is that in the interim, he will find some way to manipulate the election.

February 1, 2011 at 7:03 p.m.
nucanuck said...

hotdiggity,

Virtually no one believes Egyptian elections were real. Mubarak would get up to 95% of the vote,his opponenents often jailed...why refer to that as an indication of Egyptian consent to autocracy?

But you may be right that the Egyptian people don't have a clear picture of what they want so much as what they don't want.

What seems clear is that the Egyptian people have withdrawn their consent for Mubarak to continue and when he leaves they will work with the Army about the path ahead. Under the circumstances that seems reasonable.

This is a big moment in world history.

February 1, 2011 at 8:03 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

Hambone wrote: "If memory serves me right, Egypt doesn't have vast oil deposits. Just the Suez Canal and a pipeline moving oil from the middle east."

Are you saying that Suez Canal is insignificant? Ten percent of the ships passing through are oil tankers. If you think there's a chance of a shut down now is the time to invest in petroleum futures. Heavily.

Anyway, the real key is the Egyptian military. They have allowed the protests to happen so far and have even safeguarded the protesters. Remember, It was primarily a student protest on the first day, but when the rest of the country noticed that the soldiers weren't cracking heads the crowds continued growing beginning on day 2.

If violence flares up, as some think it might now, we all need to watch how the military responds. Mubarak was a fighter pilot and a war hero. He still has some military support although most of the brass seem to be taking a pragmatic approach.

I've been watching as much coverage as I can and there may be a real democratic revolution taking place. The crowds in Alexandria weren't quite as peaceful, but they were still restrained under the watchful eyes of soldiers.

February 1, 2011 at 8:20 p.m.
acerigger said...

Mubarack may still have "power", which can issue from the barrel of a gun, but he has no "authority", as in, when you speak,and people listen. I think he's a goner,and I'm awed to be able to witness the birth of a democracy!(fingers crossed,of course)

February 1, 2011 at 10:33 p.m.
MountainJoe said...

Who shives a git? We need to get our own house in order. Whatever happens in Egypt, happens. Not our problem.

February 2, 2011 at 12:37 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

And what if Democracy votes for Islamic Theocracy in Egypt? Has that ever turned out well? A Christian trinitarian theocracy, one God in three Persons balancing unity and diversity, maybe; allah simply one all alone, not good. God in the flesh, "in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin," dying for our sins, showing power by rising from the dead and by miracles, maybe. One self-proclaimed prophet dying and staying dead, not enough. Compare Christendom with Muslim countries; vote in the true and loving triune Jehovah.

February 2, 2011 at 6:35 a.m.
daver said...

yes..yes..i am many people...daver..francis...and many others...i've come here to counter the liberal domination of this forum.....you never know who i am or when i'll appear. and just what are you libs going to do about it...?

and the only sock puppets on this site are the liberals who just echo each other.

by the way, so far the best outcome of the situation in egypt is that anderson cooper said he was punched in the head ten times while covering the march in egypt...i'm hoping it will knock some sense into him.......it was also good to see christianne anampour(sp) get intimidated.........she's the dumbass who tried to kink the kennedy assasination (both kennedy's) to the giffords shooting with the tea party movement..

February 2, 2011 at 1:54 p.m.
daver said...

"for peace and trust can win the day despite all your losing."

February 2, 2011 at 2:16 p.m.
Clara said...

Here is someone else that agrees with me that Mubarak shouldn't stay another 8 months and why.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/02/01/zakaria.egypt.us/index.html?hpt=T1

February 2, 2011 at 2:42 p.m.
STEVEDUNN46 said...

We in the West can certainly say that we have made a mess of things Middle Eastern. YOU ARE RIGHT. WHAT A MESS. WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE DEVELOPED THEIR OIL INDUSTRY OR GIVEN ANY AID TO ANY OT THE MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES. WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT THEN ALONE TO BE CAMEL JOCKEYS AND OPPRESS THEIR PEOPLE WITHOUT OUR HELP. THEY WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OOF. RIGHT!!!!

February 3, 2011 at 5:24 p.m.
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