published Saturday, February 12th, 2011

Egypt

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The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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nucanuck said...

Might the huge advantage of today's communications been a determining differentiating factor in this successful Egyptian revolution and the failed Tianamen Square revolt?

Information is powerful stuff.

February 12, 2011 at 2:03 a.m.
greenj76 said...

Ezekial 38

February 12, 2011 at 2:04 a.m.
fairmon said...

Similar events are happening in Jordan, Tunisia and Yemen but not being reported on by the media the way it is in Egypt. The reason given for the upheaval are low wages and rising food prices. That sounds familiar doesn't it? There is a lot of speculation regarding the eventual results. Those thinking they know what will evolve are most likely wrong.

There is no established process for selecting candidates and a leader. There is a diverse mixture of special interest participating without an in charge person that speaks for them. The current state appears to be out of control mobs that demand change without clearly defining what the end results they are seeking would look like. In on the street interviews a lot are chanting we are free, we want freedom but none describing what their view of freedom is.

Why do you think there is such a strong dislike or hate America sentiment? Do you think a republic or democratic form of government be the result? Or, is continued and escalating violence with a take over by another dicatatorial government more likely? Should The U.S. be more involved and try to influence the out come?

February 12, 2011 at 2:13 a.m.
fairmon said...

A large faction with Internet access and other means of information and education realize how suppressed they are and have a view of having more of what others in the world enjoy. Unfortunately their economy is largely dependent on tourism and royalties from the traffic of oil through the Suez canal. They have shot their self in the foot on the tourism revenue, what else do they have to provide to the world to generate revenue and income? Rising food prices and hunger will bring violence and increased violence with demands that the "government" do more and provide more with little or no understanding of how the government would do that.

How can the government provide more jobs and opportunity? How can they increase income for those on the low end of the food chain? How does the government enable people to obtain food, clothing and shelter plus fulfill other comfort needs? My goodness that sounds familiar and close to home doesn't it?

February 12, 2011 at 2:39 a.m.
hambone said...

The same thing probable would have happened in Iraq by now, but wait. Someone interfered!

February 12, 2011 at 5:52 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Saddam would've had his army shoot. Mubarak didn't. But name any well-governed Muslim country? (Our Afghan friends' government is considering executing two men for turning from Islam to Christianity.)

What Muslims need is love, as in "But God shows His love for us in that while we were still sinners the anointed King died for us" (Romans 5:8). Love, as in "the Father loves the Son" loves the Holy Ghost--Trinitarian, Christian love, not unitarian dictatorship.

February 12, 2011 at 6:34 a.m.
EaTn said...

hambone wrote: "The same thing probable would have happened in Iraq by now, but wait. Someone interfered!"

How true. For a country that was founded on the principles of uprisings spawning freedom from within, our president and congress failed to read that chapter in history. Instead of spawning the masses into demands for freedom, they instead met us with AK47's and IED's. Eight years later we've still not figured it out.

February 12, 2011 at 7:03 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Andrew - if the standard is "agape" (and I agree with that standard), name any well governed country (Muslim or otherwise).

Remember that Jesus said His Kingdom was not of this world. It is unrealistic to think that any nation will we governed by the standard of love until the second coming. That doesn't mean we have an excuse for not aspiring to that ideal. But, we do so on our knees, with a sense of humility. Not with a sense of exceptionalism.

February 12, 2011 at 7:37 a.m.
trburrows said...

this one i dont understand. please preachers stop the preaching. if you must, go to church. not here.

February 12, 2011 at 7:44 a.m.
dougmusn said...

@harp3333: How does a government meet the needs of its citizens? They give the government the authority and power through the social compact. We didn't just start building individual interstate highways. We made a collective decision to allow others to site the roads and pay for them with monies we provided.

The Egyptians can decide to spend their money on lifting up the poor to a basic level of subsistence, access to health services and the like. Is a road to a pyramid more important than support to agriculture for more food production? That's an Egyptian question needing an Egyptian answer.

That's the nature of a true democracy.

For other ways to decide, look around: plutocracy (US), kleptocracy (Zimbabwe), theocracy (Iran), kakocracy (??-you fill in the blank).

February 12, 2011 at 7:58 a.m.
jimbob said...

Least we not forget. What just happened in Egypt could also happen here in this country.

February 12, 2011 at 8:05 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Harp said, "Why do you think there is such a strong dislike or hate America sentiment?"

Hey, it's a free country. Boss Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and the rest at Fox "News" can say anything they want.

Then followed up with, "How can the government provide more jobs and opportunity? "

The Egyptians were protesting the system as much as Mubarak. The manager of the factory, for example, got his job through the party and he then hires his family, friends, and neighbors for the top jobs.

As someone said recently, Egypt is not a poor country. Most Egyptians, however, live in poverty. Many Egyptians are well educated and have facebook pages and twitter accounts.

As the cartoon clearly points out, the army is siding with the protesters for now. What makes America so powerful is our military is under the command of our freely elected civilian President.

Let's see if the Egyptian military is willing to subject itself to the same authority.

February 12, 2011 at 8:13 a.m.
EaTn said...

jimbod wrote:"Least we not forget. What just happened in Egypt could also happen here in this country."

Yep, the right-wingers will bring on the wrath of the seniors and baby-boomers if they keep messing with social security and medicare.

February 12, 2011 at 8:22 a.m.
woody said...

I'm sure everyone here has heard the words, "Apples and Oranges." Well this isn't even close.

This would be more likened to Apples and Chick Peas. Tiananmen Square had two things those freedom fighters in Egypt didn't have to contend with...

Communism and a government who didn't mind 'losing' a few citizens in order to maintain control.

I applaud the Egyptian Freedom Fighters' tenacity, but when it comes right down to it, had the government insisted upon maintaining their control the outcome over there could have a whole lot different and littered with many more lost lives and innocent blood.

However, I truly believe they do understand democracy isn't easily won or enacted. Long live democracy.

Have a great weekend, Woody

February 12, 2011 at 9:09 a.m.
Francis said...

hambone that's flat out stupid.......mubarak is no sadham hussein...completly different situation. hussein was a mass murderer, mubarak is a crappy leader who was out of touch with the people. egypt is the only middle east country who signed a peace treaty with israel.

this was a military coup with the people temporarily siding with the military.

the people want what other nations have as far as freedom goes, but many of the protests were led by socialists, communists and muslim radicals. the muslim broherhood, despite the obama administration's stupid labeling of them as non-violent and not radicals, is bad news.

obama handled this like an amateur and makes it look like he doesn 't have the cajones to stand up to real thugs, like iran. he was mute on the protests in iran but couldn't stop flapping his nicotine stained gums about egypt.

egypt has the largest military in the middle east and has nuclear weapons. we should fight tooth and nail to keep them out of the hands of muslims.

wherever hard line islam spreads and takes over, freedom, respect for women, democracy, true justice and individual liberty vanish.

mubarak was an elitest who gained wealth after coming in to power...sound familiar?

February 12, 2011 at 9:18 a.m.
librul said...

Hey Francois - have another drink, smoke another one and tell us some more.

February 12, 2011 at 9:37 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Our problem all over the world is that we're always on the wrong side of these popular uprisings. We've backed dictators for years, to keep the fangs of our vampire rich sucking the natural resources out of the entire planet. Francis, yawn, is a Koolaid drinker.

February 12, 2011 at 9:42 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Thought provoking cartoon today, Clay Bennett. . . My mind has been traveling here, there, and everywhere this morning. . . China. . . Egypt . . . It finally landed in the State of Wisconsin.

Guess Wisconsin’s National Guard has been put on alert by their Governor, Scott Walker. Apparently, he's expecting unrest because he plans to remove the right of some state workers to negotiate for better pensions and health benefits. He says law enforcement, firemen, and inspectors will have the right to negotiate, but teachers, prison guards, and other state workers will not.

Must say I don’t understand the thinking of men like Scott Walker. As I recall, he was opposed to letting the Bush tax cuts expire and claimed it was wrong to balance the budget on the backs of the wealthiest 1%. But, now, here he is a few weeks later declaring the only way to balance his budget is to put in on the backs of state workers – well, the backs of some state workers.

Sorry, to have wandered off to Wisconsin, but I just don’t get it. . . Is it possible that thinking styles are genetic? . . . I mean read somewhere that Gov. Scott Walker is a cousin of George W. Bush.

February 12, 2011 at 9:54 a.m.
fairmon said...

Whoever said Egypt is not a poor country may not have a good understanding of Egypt. Vast deserts, very little agriculture and not a significant producing nation. Tourism revenue has been a primary employment and income source. Where will the government revenue for all the "uplifting" come from? I hope the results are good. There is a saying that progress comes from chaos, they may become the envy of the world if that is a truism.

blackwater,

You say "hey it is a free country". Does that mean they hate us because we have freedom which is the way they say they want to be? I wonder if it has anything to do with the dollar being the world's reserve currency and they have to convert their money to dollars to buy from other countries, including food. Is it because they realize our weakening dollar contributes to their increasing food cost? Surely it isn't because we have supported Mubarak and similar regimes or interfered in other middle east countries? Don't they know, as our leaders say to us and them, "we are here to help you, we know what is best for you" without adding "so quit complaining and do what we say".

dogmusn,

We still haven't paid the bill for those interstate highways or we spent the money on them and borrowed to provide our other needs and wants. Perhaps Egypt can displace us from the position of being the world's largest debtor nation as they embark on their social uplifting agenda.

February 12, 2011 at 10:13 a.m.
sd said...

Fran's mentioned this a few times: "egypt has the largest military in the middle east and has nuclear weapons. we should fight tooth and nail to keep them out of the hands of muslims."

The US military and the Egyptian military are brothers. Little brother will certainly listen to big brother's advice, but he's his own man and he makes his own decisions. US influence is limited right now, and maybe it should be. I'm optimistic because the Egyptians have handled it well so far.

Earlier on Obama seemed receptive to what he called "non-secular" options. I understand the Administration probably felt that it was politically necessary to say so, but I disagree. Secular government is essential, and I hope the Egyptian people and their military think so too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/world/middleeast/30military.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/world/middleeast/02transition.html

February 12, 2011 at 10:41 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Harp, why do you keep insisting that they "hate us?"

Your premise is wrong. The rest of your supporting arguments are null and void.

When I said, "hey, it's a free country," I was referring to the chattering on Fox "News" about how awful the situation in Egypt has become. How uncertain democracy can be. How wrong America is to support the protesters. How we have to be afraid, very afraid.

Beck is saying the end is near. Funny, if this had happened five years ago I'm pretty sure their take would be much different.

If you listen to Bush's State of Union address 2005, he said the same about democracy in the Middle East that Obama said at his speech at Cairo University in 2009 and is repeating now .

That's how far right the Republicans have swung.

February 12, 2011 at 10:45 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Francis refered to Egypt's nuclear weapons. Does Francis have information unavailable to the rest of the world? We on this forum are possibly the first in the world to know about Egypt's nuclear capability.

Way to go Francis,your the man!

February 12, 2011 at 11:23 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Not sure what bennett’s point is supposed to be, under the heal of the military and you fail, with the military’s support you succeed?

IMHO the cartoon drawer has put the cart ahead of the horse. The Chinese artwork is correct, but the Egyptian artwork should depict the protester following the tank. The military was in the driver seat through this whole thing and the masses were but a tool to the military’s end. The smiling activist in front of the tank is clueless and irrelevant. The important questions circle around the intent of the leaders in the military. They have since this whole thing started.

Pinheads: blackwater48, librul, dudeabides

Patriots: harp3339, Francis, AndrewLohr

February 12, 2011 at 11:24 a.m.
fairmon said...

I have no problem with our leaders position which is as close to let the Egyptian people determine their own fate. I support that premise in any country. The reason I think they hate us is those protesting say they do and they have attacked journalist.

I think the presidents position is right. I would prefer even less be said without allowing the media to clamor and insist on a position and more information. I think the words should be something like; "Apparently the Egyptian people want something different and it appears the evolution to something different is under way. What the new Egypt will look like remains to be seen". leave it at that and issue the statement daily if needed. It is too bad he can't put a muzzle on Biden and a few others in both parties.

I don't think we can and probably shouldn't attempt to influence the events. I am confident that my premise that a large faction of middle easterners do not like America, including Egypt, is not incorrect. I am confident the dollar as the worlds reserve currency affects them and other countries.

Beck and others in the media seek only better ratings or more sales of their printed publications. Journalist that feel compelled to express their personal opinions irritate me. Those that report all available facts only and let people reach their own conclusions are rare.

February 12, 2011 at 11:26 a.m.
acerigger said...

Pinheads: blackwater48, librul, dudeabides

Patriots: harp3339, Francis, AndrewLohr Username: BigRidgePatriot | On: February 12, 2011 at 11:24 a.m.

Is that you o'really?

February 12, 2011 at 11:36 a.m.
hambone said...

Francis, your imagination is kind of running away with you today. Maybe you should take the day off.

February 12, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: Where will the government revenue for all the "uplifting" come from?

Well, the only advice that I can offer is to encourage them not to imitate the U.S. and invade another country with rich natural resources like Iraq. This kind of thing is not “uplifting” and doesn’t help a country in any way in the long run. While it might help a select few unethical investors and contractors, it brings everyone else in the country down in every way imaginable.

February 12, 2011 at 11:51 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

BRP, you wrote, "The military was in the driver seat through this whole thing and the masses were but a tool to the military’s end."

Then you called me a pinhead for my earlier comment: "As the cartoon clearly points out, the army is siding with the protesters for now. What makes America so powerful is our military is under the command of our freely elected civilian President. Let's see if the Egyptian military is willing to subject itself to the same authority."

You're trying to draw a distinction without a difference. If you weren't so hell bent on being right you would have noticed that we are saying the same thing in slightly different ways.

When I was reading your post the first time I was nodding my head. I was agreeing with you, but you insist that we are in opposite corners.

Do you ever tire of being a pompous fool?

February 12, 2011 at 12:12 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

BRP, on second thought forget my 12:12 post.

Oh, you're still a pompous fool, but if you're that ignorant then I gladly accept your insult. I'll wear you 'pinhead' label with the same pride I brandish Frannie's tag, "liberal mafia.'

Thank you sir, may I have another, or is that all you got?

February 12, 2011 at 12:23 p.m.
chatttown said...

Anyone interested seeing a little of their government's disregard for people. Go to the euronews website and go to the no comment section and then go to the link that shows a government van running over 20 protesters. I am glad he is out, hopefully, the people will be represented and will have a chance to get out of poverty.

February 12, 2011 at 12:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

Egypt could learn sommething from us.

Americans are a strange breed. They object strongly to the patriot act out of fear the government may know what they are doing or saying then get on face book and post everything except their social security number. Go figure?

They insist on a social safety net for everyone, including non-citizens, but resist paying for it while insisting that others should? A head spinner for sure.

Americans maintain that freedom of the press is central to our freedom then attack those publishing or broadcasting views that differ from their own. Does that mean they will defend the right to say it as long as it is what they want said?

Many Americans insist that everyone is a winger either on the left or right. Those schmucks in the middle or that can see value in some elements of both wings are not considered good Americans of intelligence by staunch party loyalist.

One wing thinks everyone is entitled to and should be provided food, clothing, shelter, health care, a good TV, a cell phone, a good car and a winterized abode, utilities assistance and those with incomes greater than their own should pay for it. The other wing thinks everyone should fend for themselves and only the fittest survive or work incessantly at jobs that don't exist to survive.

Neither wing seems to have any concern about borrowing money from any source to spend on items that may further their agenda.

Yes, Americans are unique and egotistical which may be why they are the greatest country in history. The question has always been can they sustain it, of course we can and will. And, without physically attacking each other. Withour killing or pusnishing those that disagree. Doing that would indeed mark the beginning of the end.

February 12, 2011 at 1:14 p.m.
7Seventeen said...

Sign me up as a pinhead! This was a movement of the people of Egypt; the Egyptians in the streets and the Egyptians in the tanks. Egypt has a secular army made up of citizen soldiers. All of this talk of Muslims taking over Egypt is a bunch of neo-conservative fear mongering and sour grapes over a peaceful transition of power in the middle east.

Sorry chickenhawks, this was a peaceful victory for democracy.

February 12, 2011 at 1:20 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: “The Egyptian artwork should depict the protester following the tank.The military was in the driver seat through this whole thing and the masses were but a tool to the military’s end. The smiling activist in front of the tank is clueless and irrelevant.”

I’m getting mixed messages in reading your post, BigRidgePatriot.

Since the focus of what has been happening in Egypt has been about cries for “democracy,” are you saying that it is actually the military that is seeking democracy in Egypt? And the masses are following the military like our ancestors followed General George Washington?

Or, are you suggesting the military in Egypt has another motive for driving this whole thing? If not democracy, specifically, what other motive are you suggesting? From what I've read, the military appeared to be pretty well satisfied with the status quo - so why do you think they desired change?

February 12, 2011 at 1:26 p.m.
canarysong said...

7Seventeen;

While I share in your rejoicing that the Egyption people are finally wrestling their government from the hands of a dictator, the concern over the possibility of it now falling into the hands of Muslim extremists is not a paranoid neocon fantasy. It is a concern shared by many liberals who are old enough to remember the revolution in Iran. I joined several friends who were grad students from Iran in protesting our government's support of the shah. The revolution there was also led in large part by secularists. When the Islamic theocrats opportunistically took control, Iranians that were fighting for a democracy were as taken by surprise as anyone. While the shah was a brutal and hated dictator, women did enjoy the freedom to study, work, travel, and dress as they pleased; repression was not something that most Iranian women submitted to happily.

For anyone who might be interested, Azar Nafisi (an Iranian-born, western-educated woman who taught English literature at The University of Tehran) wrote a wonderful memoir of her experiences during that time, "Reading Lolita in Tehran".

Since civilization does follow a mostly linear progression toward compassion, equality, justice and liberty (with some major setbacks along the way), we can only hope that this is one of those significant steps forward. People of the middle east certainly have a right to determine their own destiny without interference from us or anyone else.

It seems that Algeria may be the next country to oust their dictator. In Algiers there are 10,000 people in the streets today protesting years of widespread poverty, unemployment, and high food prices and demanding that president Abdelaziz Boulflila resign. As in so many countries, there is a chance that power there may end up in the hands of Muslim extremists.

While many of us continue to hold our collective breath while we see how this plays out, we can only hope that the end result is a better life for those who have been too long oppressed and that it is not at the expense of peace in the region.

February 12, 2011 at 2:42 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Username: Francis | On: February 12, 2011 at 9:18 a.m.

"obama handled this like an amateur"

Wrong Francis, Obama handled this like a President should handle this type of situation. Unlike our previous president and some of the bombast and vitrol from the right.

Obama supported the will of Egyptians and allowed their voice to be the engine of change without being bullied by our country.

Just reading your posts indicates you are not nuanced in the fine points of diplomacy, but like many on the right prefer bullying, degradation of others unlike yourself, and a general disregard of the will for other countries to decide their way.

There has been no indication that the Islamic Brotherhood has the power to take over the country and Obama has repeated said he supports a peaceful route to democratic elections.

Sounds like sour grapes on yours and Fox's part that a country would demand an end to dictator rule.

February 12, 2011 at 3:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PigRidgePatriot...my life has hit it's nadir. I have been called a pinhead by a man who cannot spell heel. He probly is one, but I guess speling ain't his strong soot. Maybe a faith heeler could help. Also, he should try "driver's seat" instead of "driver seat", it just sounds gooder. He is, however, a Patriot. It's right there in his exclusionary name. -dude_abides_Patriotically

February 12, 2011 at 3:46 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Canarysong said: “I joined several friends who were grad students from Iran in protesting our government's support of the shah. . . When the Islamic theocrats opportunistically took control, Iranians that were fighting for a democracy were as taken by surprise as anyone.”

There was an article in the N.Y.T’s - “What I Learned From Iran’s Failed Revolution” - that discusses this issue. Apparently, the author, Abolhassan Bani-Sadr, had participated in the anti-Shah student movement, and at one time had belonged to an Iranian resistance group led by the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeina. It’s an interesting article and he says:

“. . . The unfortunate lesson of the Iranian revolution was that most political organizations did not commit themselves to democracy. Lacking the unity of a democratic front, one by one they became targets of power-seeking clergy in the form of the Islamic Republic Party, and were pushed aside.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/29/opinion/29iht-edbanisadr29.html

February 12, 2011 at 3:49 p.m.
canarysong said...

mountainlaurel;

Thank you for yet another informative post. Do you have any information about whether there may be that necessary "unity of a democratic front" in Egypt, Algeria, Yemen, or Tunisia today?

February 12, 2011 at 4:14 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

Dude-abides, wear your 'pinhead' label proudly, brother.

Big Ridge Patriot, who I affectionately refer to sometimes as 'cabin boy,' is the target demographic for neo-conservatives and tea baggers. As is Francis.

You know the type: Fine patriotic folk who like to glamorize stupidity, demonize intellect, and have a profound mistrust of anyone more educated.

Instead of trying to learn more, however, they prefer to drag everyone else down to their level. And they're true believers, too. You can't reason with facts or sway them with data.

It's best to view their contributions as comic relief because you'll never even have an interesting exchange of ideas and viewpoints. They are absolutely right and you are absolutely wrong.

Just wanted to give you a 'heads up.'

February 12, 2011 at 4:45 p.m.
Clara said...

All I can do is hope that the tank STAYS behind the protestor.

February 12, 2011 at 5:50 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Copy that.

February 12, 2011 at 7:07 p.m.
trburrows said...

Pinheads: blackwater48, librul, dudeabides

Patriots: harp3339, Francis, AndrewLohr

if you disagree, we are drunk. what the hell =does wisconsin have to do with anything on this thread? if you think they are a free country you are a fool. dude, your post puts you in the same catagory as bw=chicken sh.. dumb a.. why do you all keep quoting the nyt's. its worse than fox.

February 12, 2011 at 7:24 p.m.
yaffay said...

The road ahead will be full of uncertainty, but for a brief slice of time it was lovely to see the pure joy rising from the Egyptian people. What a historic day for their country! It would be nice if we could, for at least a few short hours, quit making it about "us" and be happy for their release from 30 years of rule under an oppressive leader.

February 12, 2011 at 8:40 p.m.
canarysong said...

trburrows;

You wrote "why do you all keep quoting the nyt"

Do you really believe that you can learn nothing of value about the middle east from a piece written by someone who experienced a similar upheaval in the region firsthand and who served briefly as the first president of Iran after their revolution? Maybe it's better for you to just rely on Glen Beck's new world order conspiracy theories to form your opinions.

Sadly, you are proving blackwater48's point from his 4:45pm post.

February 12, 2011 at 8:50 p.m.
trburrows said...

canary you are as moronic as bw. dont quote half my sentence, post all of it. i dont like or read or listen or watch fox, i said the nyt is the same as fox dumb a.....

February 12, 2011 at 9:28 p.m.
canarysong said...

trburrows;

  1. I quoted the part that I took issue with.

  2. I'm glad to hear you don't watch Fox; hopefully you base your opinions on something besides your own idle speculation.

  3. You're putting my intelligence level in the same category with blackwater48? Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment.

February 12, 2011 at 10:04 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

Mr. Burrow's entire elegant rant was presented as follows:

"canary you are as moronic as bw. dont quote half my sentence, post all of it. i dont like or read or listen or watch fox, i said the nyt is the same as fox dumb a....."

First of all, let me commend you, Sir, for an elegant turn of phrase:

"dumb a....." (I suspect you were going for 'dumb ass' but your feminine sensibilities must have gotten in the way again. Pity.)

Second, if you don't like or read or listen or watch Fox, on what do you base your opinion?

And you can't compare Fox to the New York Times because, come on, have you ever read the Times? Would almost be willing to bet a buck you have never even checked out their website.

So, if you are totally unfamiliar with either media giant how can have an opinion about either, let alone compare the two?

Why do you keep trying to interrupt the grownups?

February 12, 2011 at 10:11 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Canarysong,

I haven’t read about any formal “democratic front” organizations being involved in the countries that you mentioned, which is kind of intriguing to me. Indeed, it’s like the people in some of these countries just woke up one morning and said to themselves enough is enough.

February 12, 2011 at 11:07 p.m.
dude_abides said...

trburrows, what is it about me that attracts bloviating messiahs who cannot spell? Catagory is not a word in the language that our schools tried to teach you. This is the sad result of sniffing Krylon at recess. I bet the asterisks you injected into the names you called me were hiding spelling errors. You definitely get your news "fair and balanced."

February 13, 2011 at 12:08 a.m.
sd said...

trburrows wrote, "why do you all keep quoting the nyt's. its worse than fox."

What alternatives would you suggest? Anytime someone disputes the use of a particular news source they need to provide an alternative source.

February 13, 2011 at 8:54 a.m.
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