published Wednesday, January 5th, 2011

Speaker Boehner

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The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

John Boehner likes to describe himself as an average working-class guy who likes to play golf. He fails to disclose that he plays golf mostly with lobbyists. He has humorously been defined by others as a man who cries during times that he recants that he is one of 12 kids who spent part of his childhood working in his father's bar.

John Boehner has always been more of an inside player than a public performer, and he'll most certainly use those skills as Speaker of the House. He will likely be a repeat of Newt Gingrich in the face of President Obama. Prior to today, his being in the minority gave him the luxury of taking potshots at the President. His words are going to be scrutinized a little closer henceforth.

John Boehner has a unique problem as incoming Speaker. Tea Partiers, who were elected using extremist views may be in no mood for compromising on much of anything. They are going to be wanting to break from the pack and to make names for themselves. John Boehner will have to persuade them to cooperate, despite their wanting to oppose both Democrats and mainstream Republicans on issues like raising the debt ceiling or to fund the Government realistically rather than idealistically.

John Boehner knows that his power is limited, despite all the tough talk. Boehner & Company have set Jan. 12 as the date for voting on repealing "Obamacare." It's symbolic at best. He knows that. He knows that a repeal will never get through the Senate. He's doing it to fulfill a campaign promise and will claim that at least the Republicans "tried" to repeal it.

In June of 1995, John Boehner was called down by others on the House floor for handing out checks to Congressional members by tobacco lobbyists, just before a critical vote on extending tobacco subsidies. John Boehner was kicked out as the chairman of the House Republican Conference, after his party lost five congressional seats, following the impeachment of then President Bill Clinton.

In a Gallup Poll, taken just after the 2010 election, 34% of those surveyed approved of the man. 26% viewed him negatively. 40% didn't know enough about the man to have formed an opinion of the man.

John Boehner is set to run the House for at least two years. His performance as Speaker of the House will determine if the Republicans have grown up enough to be trusted again.

Quite frankly, at this point I don't care who does what. I just want to see something done, so long as it includes doing something for all people of this nation, and not just for the sake of a select few.

Given that John Boehner has a history of working closely with lobbyists, and given his extremely partisan record, I'm not holding too much hope that he is going to be anything but a complete opposing mirror image of the woman who preceded him.

I'd love to be wrong though. Two more years of arguing and political posturing is not something I look forward to.

January 5, 2011 at 1:28 a.m.
nucanuck said...

The new Speaker knows that spending cuts equal job cuts... the more programs and pork that are cut,the more people applying for unemployment.

With the new Tea Party members of Congress the Speakers job should be like herding cats.

Stock up on antacid,we're going to need it.

January 5, 2011 at 1:40 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

The House of Representatives has become Theater of the Absurd, starring John of Orange, a.k.a. 'the Weeper.'

Can anyone describe a scenario where the new Speaker of the House would ever introduce a bill that would actually help out working class people?

Some people lost their job and can't find a new one. Others are still employed but their wages have remained stagnate.

How about a bill that would address unemployment? Job creation was a favorite republican political mantra last Fall.

Can you think of one proposal the GOP is currently kicking around that would not benefit millionaires or mult-national corporations?

Hell no you can't.

January 5, 2011 at 1:41 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Can he be worse than four years of Speaker Pelosi? Joblessness up 4%, national debt doubled, deficits tripled or more?

We hope the GOP establishment has learned from its failure, from the Democrats' failure, and from the Tea Party's success and new ideas.

January 5, 2011 at 1:45 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Andrew asks, "Can he be worse than four years of Speaker Pelosi?"

I can answer a question with a question, too. Can you think of one proposal the GOP is currently kicking around that would not benefit millionaires or mult-national corporations?

Just answer the question Andrew. Don't make up more crap about Pelosi. You are a republican. Own it. Defend it. Embrace it. Tell us why you love the GOP.

With intelligent voters like yourself, it's only a matter of time before we'll officially become the United Corporations of America.

January 5, 2011 at 2:13 a.m.
EaTn said...

It's my party and I'll cry if I want to.. cry if I want to...

January 5, 2011 at 6:26 a.m.
woody said...

Actually, the less said, the better...and I believe EaTn might have said it best.

Still, like Alprova I vow to stay vigilant and similar to Andrew, I think I'll pray.

Amen, Woody

January 5, 2011 at 7:06 a.m.
EaTn said...

The GOP controlled house will repeat what they and the Dems always do when they get the majority: they will immediately try to erase the previous party's accomplishments, with only limited success. Then they will try to push all their pent-up frivolous projects through the pipeline, with little planning and thought of future consequences. They remind me of my two dogs when I let them out of a morning, trying to cover-up where the other just went.

January 5, 2011 at 7:42 a.m.
alprova said...

EaTn wrote: "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to.. cry if I want to..."


That was frickin' hilarious!!!

January 5, 2011 at 7:44 a.m.
delmar said...

blackwater48, I love this - "United Corporations of America", and underneath that in very small print it wold say - MADE IN CHINA.

January 5, 2011 at 7:51 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

...Cry if you are a socialist, progressive, liberal political hack who would like to see continued reckless spending on social programs that undermine the integrity of the country (i.e. clay bennett).

January 5, 2011 at 8:22 a.m.
Dumbledore403 said...

Let us be blunt...The Republicans were and are just as guilty in what has happened as the Democrats were. I am basically seeing the same old same old and getting the same results...and I personally thinking the best thing that the nation needs is both major parties kicked out. Most of those complaining about the health care bill were ones that had health insurance...They are not the ones tens of thousands in debt because the physical problems are pre-existing conditions Most of the ones saying that the jobless are milking the unemployment are not the ones having to go look. It has been said that you are not to judge a person unless you have walked a mile in their shoes...it appears that some are refusing to do so because the shoes are not Guccis!

January 5, 2011 at 8:39 a.m.
alprova said...

Dumbledore403 wrote: "Most of those complaining about the health care bill were ones that had health insurance...They are not the ones tens of thousands in debt because the physical problems are pre-existing conditions."


Even worse, many of those who were/still are complaining about Obamacare are those who are currently on Medicare. Most of those are Fox News fans who have hook scars on their lips.


"Most of the ones saying that the jobless are milking the unemployment are not the ones having to go look."


Bingo!!


"It has been said that you are not to judge a person unless you have walked a mile in their shoes...it appears that some are refusing to do so because the shoes are not Guccis!"


Karma eventually catches up with such people, or it already has, but they would never admit it in a million years.

And as we have witnessed time and again in this forum, some people simply have no conscience whatsoever.

They will get their just reward, eventually, when they meet their maker.

January 5, 2011 at 9:17 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Username: Dumbledore403 | On: January 5, 2011 at 8:39 a.m.

What was going on in Washington under one party rule had to be stopped. The Republicans also behaved very badly when they controlled the Presidency and Congress.

When the voters bought Maobama's change they made a huge mistake by eliminating partisan checks and balances.

We did the right thing in 2010 by breaking up the out-of-control power structure created by one party rule.

January 5, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote "...Cry if you are a socialist, progressive, liberal political hack who would like to see continued reckless spending on social programs that undermine the integrity of the country (i.e. clay bennett)."


How do you think you look, ASSuming to know a thing about a person's opinion, when he has never expressed it?

Political cartoons are drawn to incite discussion and thought about issues on the table. They are not necessarily the opinions expressed by anyone, including the artist. You know nothing as to how Mr. Bennett feels about anything. You do presume to know a lot.

I further have to wonder why you and some others, who's main contribution of late is to make ASSumptions about the man and others who sponsor this forum, bother to participate in this forum, if you find yourself at such odds with what you have determined to be their opinions.

If all you are capable of is to attack Mr. Bennett for raising the issues that we discuss and to label people with demeaning rhetoric in every post, then perhaps you need to take a hike. You've made the same point and called people names about a hundred times in this forum.

For someone who claims to be such a winner all the time, you sure are a sore one.

January 5, 2011 at 9:40 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "We did the right thing in 2010 by breaking up the out-of-control power structure created by one party rule."


"We?" That's funny. All that has been accomplished was to further divide a nation into a third portion, temporarily that is. It will not last.

Time will definitely tell the tale and it won't take long to determine how things are going to go over the next two years, but the likely outcome of the 2010 election will be to have transformed two-sided arguments into three-sided arguments.

I make a motion that we change the name of this country to that of the Divided States of America. There sure is a lack of unity at the moment.

January 5, 2011 at 9:49 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Username: alprova | On: January 5, 2011 at 9:40 a.m. How do you think you look, ASSuming to know a thing about a person's opinion, when he has never expressed it?

:D good one alprova! If you have not figured out bennett's outlook after following just a half dozen of his cartoons you would have to be politically retarded!

January 5, 2011 at 10:08 a.m.
hambone said...

I don't beleive the man (Boehner) is very stable.

But then again, why worry.

He's only third in line.

January 5, 2011 at 10:12 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Recently I read that scientist have discovered the reason some people are conservative and some people are liberal. It's all in their heads.

Conservatives have a larger portion of the brain that deals with caution. Some may call it pragmatism. Others may call it cowardice. Bottom line, conservatives are afraid. Go back and read conservative comments. They are literally dripping in fear.

They are afraid of change. Afraid of immigrants, afraid of gays, labor unions, you name it, they're afraid of it. They think everyone's out to get them.

Liberals have a larger portion of their brains that deals in adventure. Liberals are more open minded. Some may call it reckless. Others may call it bravery. If anything, liberals are too trusting. They look for the good in everybody.

The Obama campaign came up with the phrase that I believe was key to his election: Yes We Can. That was perfect. It stirred the souls of true democrats and touched the heart of independents.

The Republican response? No You Can't.

So, while conservatives often come across as whiney and bitter, well, it's not their fault. I'm going to try and be more understanding of their mental anemia. I know they are doing the best they can with what little they have.

Nuts. I just went and found some good.

January 5, 2011 at 10:15 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Liberals live in fear and think they are entitled to help from government to protect them from every little danger in life.

Conservatives have confidence in thier ability to provide for themselves and have confidence on the family or the smallest community to look out for each other.

They know that larger communities (ie federal verses state or state verses city) loose individual relevance and fail because they try to fit everyone in the same box.

Conservatives are realists and Progressives are silly dreamers who create dangerous situations in their quest for security.

...if alprova will allow me to generalize.

January 5, 2011 at 10:46 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

BW, if you think what you found was "some good" in conservatives then your opinion of yourself is just as distorted as your political views.

January 5, 2011 at 11:03 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Great post BRP. I appreciate your confidence in trying to express yourself in complete sentences. Kudos for that!

I'm sure I join everyone in thanking you for your participation.

January 5, 2011 at 11:07 a.m.
acerigger said...

b-r-p your post at 10:46 is So cute! Sometimes TROLL humor is funny.

January 5, 2011 at 11:07 a.m.
acerigger said...

Hambone, Boner is not just "unstable", he is an alcoholic,a closet drunk. Don't believe me? watch him in action, he's plastered most of the time. It's one of the worst kept secrets in D.C.

January 5, 2011 at 11:13 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

acerigger,

Every opinion that does not fit your mold is Trolling?

Looks like another example of liberal narrow mindedness! No opinion is valid except the politically correct dogma. I suppose you find security from off-hand ejection scary, contradictory thoughts. Spares you having to think!

January 5, 2011 at 11:15 a.m.
dave said...

I guess this will give your ultra left wing commie cartoon strip some new material, it needs it as was getting rather stale.

January 5, 2011 at 11:18 a.m.
delmar said...

BPR: "Liberals live in fear and think they are entitled to help from government to protect them from every little danger in life."

I don't think you can pigeon hole Liberals in anything in this statement. I can't even imagine the rational for the statement, given many of the Conservatives talking points.

BPR: "Conservatives have confidence in their ability to provide for themselves"

You do realize that there are Conservatives who are unemployed as well, right? And whose unemployment benefits have been maxed out. Bet their feeling the same as that Liberal in the same boat.

BPR: "Conservatives are realists and Progressives are silly dreamers who create dangerous situations in their quest for security."

Huh?? I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, so this went right over my head.

January 5, 2011 at 11:22 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Username: delmar | On: January 5, 2011 at 11:22 a.m. Huh?

Liberal solutions to social problems centralize power. The centralization of power is the dangerous part.

January 5, 2011 at 11:32 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Thanks for making the point, BRP.

To your way of thinking, liberals are dangerous. Therefor, liberals are to be feared.

Centralized power is dangerous, too. Therefor, government is also to be feared.

Paranoia will destroy ya'.

Given a choice, and it is a choice, between living with fear and living with hope, I choose hope.

January 5, 2011 at 11:40 a.m.
delmar said...

BRP: "The centralization of power is the dangerous part."

I think I get it. Like giving the power to the military, right? Or the opposite would be like Texas wanting to secede?

January 5, 2011 at 11:44 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Both sides provide solutions to problems. Neither side's ideas can do it alone. If all were conservative, women and blacks would not be citizens, gays would be institutionalized, and those of other religions would have to accept evangelism in public school. Industries would be free to pollute the air and water, no worker would have the right to a safe workplace. If all were liberal, we'd be a quasi-socialist society, capitalism in its current form wouldn't exist, and schools would change their curriculum every time somebody got some crazy idea about how kids should be taught. Illegal immigration would be much worse than it is, crime would be higher and criminals would not always be held accountable.

Both groups offer something valuable. Both sides have their extremists. The trick to to find a balance between the best ideas. Compassion for the truly less fortunate while holding everyone else accountable for themselves. Incentives for businesses to make profit while holding them to good stewardship of the environment and humane treatment of workers. Prosecution of criminals with applications of social and educational programs that make it less likely that children will grow up to a life of crime. Educating citizens to lead healthy lives but giving them the freedom to make their own choices, even bad choices.

Oh, to those that find Clay's cartoons NOT funny, that's because you don't share the political view. I don't find Mallard Filmore funny, because I am not a conservative. So I don't choose to read it. I don't however deny others to right to read it, nor do I go to the artist's home newspaper website and piss and moan about how I don't think it's funny.

January 5, 2011 at 12:27 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

The best the republics could offer for the head of the House was a leaky boner.

Penicillin companies have a new marketing tool..

January 5, 2011 at 12:28 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

delmar,

You've heard the saying, "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely", right? You give any single institution enough power and corruption will eventually turn that centralized seat of power into a malevolent force.

If the military is also the seat of political power it would be very dangerous indeed. I suppose there have been isolated examples of when a military takeover temporarily made a better situation in a country, but if the military was left ruling for any period of time you can trust that it would get around to no good.

That is why I trust private enterprise more than government. The government makes the rules and can suddenly exempt itself from the rules at will when it desires to take a wrong turn. Industry can try to influence government but must always be fearful of consequences when their favorite government crony is unseated.

Certainly, that is not to say that government does not have a legitimate role. We just need to be very careful about giving them more power than they absolutely need.

January 5, 2011 at 12:41 p.m.
pmcauley said...

Because of the well investigated phenomenon “confirmation bias”, both liberals and conservatives need to try very hard to see why their viewpoints might be wrong.

People tend to read and listen to views that confirm their own. Wikipedia has a good article on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirma....) There is also a good book "How We Decide" by Jonah Lehrer that discusses how we will fight 10 times as hard to not lose something (like an opinion) rather than get something else.

Just for fun try to see where your opinion might be wrong: it is very hard to do.

My $0.02

January 5, 2011 at 12:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Blackwater,

Just because you recognize that something can be or is dangerous does not mean you necessarily fear it.

Have you ever whitewater kayaked? Skydived? Rock climbed? Carved a corner at 160 mph on a motorcycle? All are dangerous in their own way but one can still enjoy them all while having a healthy respect for the hazardous bits.

No Fear!

January 5, 2011 at 12:58 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

pmcauley makes a good point: "People tend to read and listen to views that confirm their own."

I think that's true, although generally speaking, liberals are more willing to understand where conservatives are coming from. To a fault. Democrats took single payer out of the health care bill and every republican still voted against it. Democrats watered down the stimulus bill and every republican still voted against it. Obama extended billionaire tax cut for two years but extended unemployment insurance 13 months.

Republicans don't like to even use the word compromise.

I know conservative arguments better than some right wing posters on this site. I get annoyed when they screw up their own talking points.

In football it's called scouting yourself. You look at your team the way the other teams would to locate your weaknesses.

It's a good exercise. I hope conservatives can overcome their fear, keep an open mind, and see the hypocrisy in some of their arguments.

Like claiming to be fiscally conservative and yet were willing to go the mattresses for billionaire tax cuts adding $700 billion to the debt.

Haven't heard a right winger yet justify both positions.

January 5, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

BRB was kind enough to point out that, "Just because you recognize that something can be or is dangerous does not mean you necessarily fear it."

Right, but it also doesn't mean you don't fear it. The examples you cite are fun things to do. Maybe that's why I learned to fly hot air balloons.

Republicans fear Obama, and they want the voters to fear him, too. They call him a socialist, a foreigner, a muslim, and so forth.

The GOP sells Fear and hardly anybody does it better.

January 5, 2011 at 1:25 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Blackwater,

And I know liberal arguments better than most left wing posters here.

Test for you. Try to explain the conservative argument for not increasing the tax rate on the highest wage earners. I bet you get it wrong. And then explain why you insist on mischaracterizing not changing a tax rate as a tax cut. Then explain why you erroneously call everyone who would have been affected by the proposed tax increase billionaires.

January 5, 2011 at 1:26 p.m.
rolando said...

Here http://townhall.com/cartoons/2011/1/5/77155 and here http://townhall.com/cartoons/2011/1/4/77154 are but two reasons why the Democrats have so much to cry over. Just a couple in contrast to Clay's usual Progressive pablum...

January 5, 2011 at 1:27 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Hot air balloons, a perfect metaphor!

January 5, 2011 at 1:45 p.m.
rolando said...

Well, I didn't really think you Progressives would like my post...or anything else I write. Nor do I write for the goldstars of peer-approval.

January 5, 2011 at 1:48 p.m.
rolando said...

Alprova would be in near-space by this time, BigRidge.

January 5, 2011 at 1:50 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nor do you usually write to contribute something thoughtful or valuable to any discussion.

January 5, 2011 at 1:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

:D

January 5, 2011 at 1:53 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

BRB asked, "Try to explain the conservative argument for not increasing the tax rate on the highest wage earners."

That's a trick question because I heard a few rationales.

First: Fairness. Singling out the rich is class warfare.

Second: Job creation. Small businesses will have more money to hire workers.

Third: Economic stability: Uncertainty over a tax hike scared the willies out of business owners.


"...explain why you insist on mischaracterizing not changing a tax rate as a tax cut."

The Bush era tax cuts were set to expire in January of 2011 unless Congress intervened. All income OVER $250 thousand would return to the Clinton era rate. By law, the rich were required to pay more taxes because of George Bush. Obama and the GOP agreed to overturn the law and extend the present rate two more years. The Bush tax hike was averted.


"...explain why you erroneously call everyone who would have been affected by the proposed tax increase billionaires."

I never said the only people affected were billionaires. If you find were I did I'll apologize in advance, but billionaires are certainly in the group and will certainly benefit. And the United States has to borrow more money, to be paid by our grandchildren and great grandchildren, to do so.

I understand how you may have read that into what I said. Fear can narrow one's focus.

January 5, 2011 at 1:53 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Dang Blackwater,

You impress me. You did a great job on the first question. You even put them in the right order!

The remainder is weak. The "Bush tax hike" was actually demanded by the Democrats. The temporary nature of the tax cut is what made it ineffective (or much less effective than it could have been). Unlike the government, business plans farther ahead than a month to six years ahead. When the expiration date was inserted it created guaranteed uncertainty for January 2011.

It pains me that I am going to have to check out for now. You all have fun!

January 5, 2011 at 2:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Posting links to cartoons drawn by others is less than disrespectful to this site and the sponsor of this site. I don't think anyone is posting Clay's cartoon over on Townhall dot com's website, and bitching about any political cartoons over there.

Therefore, I am submitting my personal request that your post be removed. It adds nothing to the discussion at hand, nor does your post offer anything to the discussion as well.

You are now announcing yourself a troll and a troublemaker and will henceforth be ignored at least by myself. It's been months since you have contributed anything in this forum but complaints anyway.

January 5, 2011 at 2:15 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

BRB evaluated my conservative talking points with "You impress me. You did a great job on the first question. You even put them in the right order!"

Thank you for the kind words, but it's a trick.

To think like a conservative I just think like a liberal. Then I remove all reasoning and accountability.

January 5, 2011 at 2:36 p.m.
delmar said...

rolondo: "Well, I didn't really think you Progressives would like my post...or anything else I write. Nor do I write for the goldstars of peer-approval."

Gee, if I were you I would take my pencil and paper and never come back.

Ditto what alprova said!

January 5, 2011 at 3:04 p.m.
hambone said...

Dang, everyones touchy today!

I'm just going to sit back and see how long it takes the house to do something that might create jobs under Boehner!

January 5, 2011 at 3:19 p.m.
delmar said...

BRP: "You give any single institution enough power and corruption will eventually turn that centralized seat of power into a malevolent force. If the military is also the seat of political power it would be very dangerous indeed. That is why I trust private enterprise more than government. Industry can try to influence government but must always be fearful of consequences when their favorite government crony is unseated. We just need to be very careful about giving them more power than they absolutely need."

Wow, I don't think I need to say a thing here.

January 5, 2011 at 3:20 p.m.
acerigger said...

rolando,remember when your posts were deleted for spamming? you're slow to catch on aint you?

January 5, 2011 at 3:31 p.m.
Clara said...

I think it took me 3 cartoons or less when I first joined my ignorant self to this blog (or any blog) to suspect Rolando. I was going to say "poor Rolando" but that didn't make any more sense than he did about 99.9% of the time.

But to ge back to these comments...

I'm wondering how much partisanship will disappear when both major parties are forced to take this 3rd party into consideration, especially since Boehner sounds so faaaar right and now in a seat of relative power as Speaker.

I understand that every 2 years the House Rules change. Is this a tradition or a regulation by the ones in power in the House? What rules are they?

Boehner seems to be a clever man. Perhaps not overly intelligent, but clever and manipulative. He must see his position as useful to himself, anyway. Not much change there for another politician in the ranks. He certainly has a lot to prove.

Time will tell

January 5, 2011 at 6:20 p.m.
acerigger said...

I'm curious, there were some 280 pieces of legislation passed by the House in the last congress that were stalled in the Senate,what happens to those now? Are they still in the "pipeline",will they continue to try to get them through the Senate,or will they go in the shredder? Anyone with any knowledge about this,I'd appreciate knowing. thanks

January 5, 2011 at 8:20 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

I'm not crying about it. I was laughing about Boehner's extra large "gavel." I'll be laughing even harder in two years.

January 5, 2011 at 8:22 p.m.
acerigger said...

I suppose you find security from off-hand ejection scary, contradictory thoughts. BigRidgePatriot | On: January 5, 2011 at 11:15 a.m. HUH?? Another question,while breathing through your mouth,how do you keep the spittle out of your keyboard?

January 5, 2011 at 8:30 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Username: blackwater48 | On: January 5, 2011 at 2:36 p.m.

Definition of a liberal (I think I detect some removal of reason and accountability here?)

  1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.

  2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

  3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.

  4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.

  5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUVs.

  6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being homosexual is natural.

  7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

  8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

  9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but PETA activists do.

  10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

  11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make "The Passion of the Christ" for financial gain only.

  12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

  13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

  14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, and Thomas Edison.

  15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.

  16. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

  17. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy.

GOD BLESS AMERICA................................. ooops, can't do that either

January 5, 2011 at 9 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I am most assuredly a liberal, and I don't agree or believe in any of your statements. Not a one. AND I bet I could list 17 statements that falsely stereotype conservatives that would not describe you. Your list is offensive for the simple reason that it is a stereotype of what liberals are, not a true description of liberal attitudes an beliefs. You should be offended if anyone did the same thing stereotyping conservatives.

January 5, 2011 at 9:10 p.m.
Francis said...

big ridge patriot's list of 17 points very much applies to the liberals that have controlled the white house, senate and house for the last two years. it also applies to the liberal's in the media.

it may not describe the views of all the liberals on this site...or all liberals..but those at the top of the liberal movement in this country certainly believe those points.

pelosi has been speaker since 2007........to call boehner unstable after three years of pelosi is laughable. the obama/reid/pelosi team does not have the confidence of the american people...things are worse since they've been in charge.......there's no disputing that.

boehner has to prove himself and do what he said he's going to do....many libs bitched about giving obama a chance...well, many republicans and in- depends did give obama a chance..and he blew it. but, i guarantee you
won't hear many liberals, at least not the high profile ones, call for people to give boehner a chance.

the never ending bashing of fox news, which has many liberals working for it, is another point big ridge could have put on his list. high profile liberals and many here do it all the time....

January 5, 2011 at 9:39 p.m.
acerigger said...

"Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things...every one! So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.

January 5, 2011 at 10:16 p.m.
moonpie said...

BRP,

In my opinion you just defined what you want liberals to be, not what they actually are.

I stopped reading after the first 11 and didn't find one statement that I could agree with. So, either I'm not a liberal or you don't understand them very well.

It is easy to define others according to your own terms, but it is much more difficult to understand them on their terms or see them as they really are. I know this was not your intent but you have proved this point nicely.

It is a dangerous game of convenience to simplify others and it serves nobody well.

January 5, 2011 at 10:52 p.m.
Clara said...

Ace, I happened to be reading something about Jimmy Carter's lame duck experience, and it seems the same thing happened to him. It was also brought up that the Reps somehow got into the hostage situation and finagled so that the hostages weren't released until Reagan took over. That might not be true, but Carter got a lot of bills through during that session.

January 5, 2011 at 10:53 p.m.
rolando said...

Liberals got African/Americans the right to vote!! Wow! You certainly weren't anywhere near the Old South in the mid-sixties, were you acerig?

It is amazing how Liberals twist history to fit... I guess in your mind, George Wallace was a conservative and a republican to boot.

January 5, 2011 at 10:57 p.m.
rolando said...

Yeah, Clara, and I saw through you as the poseur you are early on. That poor little old lady routine doesn't carry well at all outside Mudville. Yer in the big city now.

January 5, 2011 at 11 p.m.
rolando said...

lkeith, your empty comments say much about the rest of you.

January 5, 2011 at 11:01 p.m.
Clara said...

And you,in the last post,weren't on the Poor People's March!

January 5, 2011 at 11:07 p.m.
rolando said...

For the twit posting somewhere above:

None of my comments were deleted because of spamming; usually it was word choice -- calling a pointed shovel a pointed shovel, for instance. Only I used the correct word sp**e.

I was deleted much more frequently because I cited outside newsmedia in direct competition with the TFP. I wasn't alone; most of the conservatives here suffered under that censorship. Linking conservative newsmedia was most assuredly a no-no in the eyes of Progressives running this rag -- must be their third commandment or something...Thou shalt not contradict the Massa!

January 5, 2011 at 11:12 p.m.
Clara said...

That last post was at 10:57 p.m. and my answer was at 11:07 p.m.

There I go again, forced into being a far-left lib.

eeeeewww!

January 5, 2011 at 11:19 p.m.
Clara said...

Good night ALL!

January 5, 2011 at 11:20 p.m.
acerigger said...

Liberals got African/Americans the right to vote!! Wow! You certainly weren't anywhere near the Old South in the mid-sixties, were you acerig?

It is amazing how Liberals twist history to fit... I guess in your mind, George Wallace was a conservative and a republican to boot. Username: rolando | On: January 5, 2011 at 10:57 p.m >>> Are you trying to say the conservatives were responsible for the Voting Rights Act? haw,haw,haw! Wallace was a Dem,but so were a lot of white southerners prior to Nixon's "southern strategy". btw, I'm 62, born and raised in Ham.Co. but my folks never drank the racist kool-aid,they were "Real Americans" who taught us about "Liberty and Justice for ALL"!

January 6, 2011 at 7:04 a.m.
acerigger said...

Indian,don't take it personally,but you're a "Tool". (look it up)

January 6, 2011 at 7:07 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

There were more repulican votes for the civil rights act than democrat.

January 6, 2011 at 1:41 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The distinction is between conservative/liberal not Republican/Democrat. We all know the demographics of these parties have changed throughout the last century.

January 6, 2011 at 3:04 p.m.
ITguy said...

Anyone who believes that conservatives were responsible for civil rights is sadly mistaken. My uncle was thrown in jail in Selma Ala, and I can assure you that he was not a conservative. Reality is that the conservatives fought tooth and nail against civil right, Martin Luther King was called a communist and wire tapped by the FBI.

January 6, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.
fairmon said...

There is not enough business experience in the administration to run a lemonade stand. Nothing is likely to change with the 112th congress. The tax rates should have been allowed to expire without exception with spending reduced by an equal amount. Every department should be required to make a 20% reduction in staffing and in all other expenses. Unless congress acts to reduce legislatively imposed cost on businesses, especially small and mid size, employment will not reach the levels needed. More people working and paying taxes results in fewer being dependent.

January 6, 2011 at 11:35 p.m.
rolando said...

The issue is about Democrats and Republicans and which party supported and supports civil rights guaranteed in the Constitution.

The party of the KKK -- the Democrats -- supports most anything so long as it is racist; it literally owned the South during the mid-sixties and that same party, in general, OPPOSED de-segregation just as they SUPPORT most everything that keeps African/Americans "in their place", families without fathers, and dependent on the government.

All you need do is look at the voting records. [Find them yourself, lkeith.]

January 7, 2011 at 8:41 a.m.
rolando said...

"...born and raised in Ham.Co..."

Then you should be well aware of the Democrats' voting records on the subject, acerig.

January 7, 2011 at 8:43 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

rolando, the conversation was about conservatives and liberals, not political parties. Pay attention lest you make an a$$ of yourself, again.

January 7, 2011 at 9:36 a.m.
rolando said...

There you go again, lkeith. YOU spun it that way to deny that Southern Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Period. You do that a lot.

That sure isn't conservatives featured in that cartoon up there...nor is it Republicans, Libertarians, or Independents. It is YOUR party crying now...The Party Of No Limits...

January 7, 2011 at 12:13 p.m.
rolando said...

To properly attribute "The Party Of No Limits" phrase, see http://townhall.com/cartoons/2011/1/7/77228

January 7, 2011 at 12:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I never claimed anything about Southern Democrats. Actually, I never said anything at all about any party's voting record, because the conversation was about conservatives and liberals, not parties. Your posts are even more pointless than usual.

January 7, 2011 at 12:17 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ya know, I have come to the same conclusion as alprova. You are a troll that only is looking to pick a fight. When you show up, intelligent interchange ends. Signing off.

January 7, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
BobMKE said...

Rolando,

You can't apply logic when dealing with the left. It never works and it never will. Any strong beliefs can blind people to the other realities. I enjoy your posts.

January 7, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.
rolando said...

Yes, lkeith, you DID erroneously comment about conservatives and liberals instead of the topic of the discussion, Republicans and Democrats. This was a thinly and rather badly disguised attempt on your part to divert the topic to indicate Southern Democrats did NOT blatantly oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964. They were STILL the KKK's Party Of Choice at that time.

January 7, 2011 at 7:40 p.m.
ITguy said...

Rolando, what is your point?

If the civil rights act of 1964 were to come up today, the Republicans of today would oppose it. No question.

January 7, 2011 at 7:46 p.m.
rolando said...

Thanks, BobMKE, and I recognize the truth in your post. But hope springs eternal in the human breast [from Pope] and I keep hoping one of them will see the light. But they would rather leave than admit defeat -- which is a form of defeat.

IMO, EaTn, moonpie, and a few others show real promise...at least they keep open minds and can think outside the box.

January 7, 2011 at 7:46 p.m.
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