published Friday, July 1st, 2011

With mother in detention, children headed to Mexico

Cristian Valladares, from left, looks down as he, Jenifer Valladares and Leslie Valladares listen in Dalton, Ga,. as their father, Erick Munoz, speaks about their mother's deportation. The children are being sent to live with their mother in Mexico.
Cristian Valladares, from left, looks down as he, Jenifer Valladares and Leslie Valladares listen in Dalton, Ga,. as their father, Erick Munoz, speaks about their mother's deportation. The children are being sent to live with their mother in Mexico.
Photo by Allison Carter.


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DALTON, Ga.—Instead of thinking about how she is going to fill her summer, Leslie Valladares has been busy packing her and her siblings’ belongings.

The life they built in Dalton must fit in suitcases that weigh less than 50 pounds each.

The 13-year-old and her two younger siblings are leaving today on a plane from Atlanta, returning to their native Mexico to eventually reunite with their mother, who is in an immigration detention center in Georgia.

Leslie’s mother, Veronica Segura, was stopped at a checkpoint in May.

“We were taking my brother to his soccer game, we went over a hill and on the other side we saw the orange cones,” said Leslie.

A month later, the mother of three is being processed for deportation. There’s no set date for her return and her children will stay with family members until she gets back.

The Valladares children are not the only ones leaving the Dalton area.

Residents and community leaders that work with the Hispanic community say tougher immigration law enforcement and the economic recession continue to push people out of the city and into neighboring states or even back to their native countries.

Leslie and her siblings are leaving the same day Georgia’s new immigration law, the Illegal Immigration Reform and Enforcement Act of 2011, goes into effect.

A federal district judge put the most controversial sections of the law on hold this week. One would allow law enforcement officers to investigate the immigration status of criminal suspects. The second would punish people who, while committing a crime, knowingly transport illegal immigrants.

But other provisions take effect today, including one that charges people who use counterfeit or false information to get a job in Georgia with aggravated identity fraud. They face up to 15 years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines.


The Valladares family migrated illegally to the United States in the early 2000s. First came Erick Muñoz, the father, then the mother and, four years ago, the children.

Everything was going fine until the morning of May 21 when they ran into the checkpoint, Muñoz said from his home, his three children sitting right next to him. He is staying in the United States.

A police officer asked Segura, who was driving, for her driver’s license. She showed her Mexican driver’s license.

A few minutes later, Leslie said, the officer told her to call someone to pick them up because they were arresting her mother.

“I didn’t want them to take my mom,” said Cristian, 9, who remembered crying when they detained his mother.

Segura told Leslie to take care of her siblings.

“I will and I love you,” Leslie answered.

Family separation is one of the unintended consequences of road checks, said America Gruner, president of the Coalition of Latino Leaders in Dalton.

“[The Valladares children] are a symbol of what happens very frequently to many families,” she said. “People who have no violent criminal records nor are a danger to the community are being detained and deported.”

But the Dalton Police Department doesn’t do anything related to immigration, said the department’s spokesman Bruce Frazier. The road checks are to address traffic and crime problems within the city, he said.

Georgia made driving without a license an offense that must be fingerprinted, he said, so the officer has to arrest the individual and take them to jail. And, because Whitfield County participates in the federal 287 (g) program, which trains local police to enforce U.S. immigration laws, officers automatically check the immigration status of everyone booked into the jail.

“Those situations, where people end up being processed by ICE with families here, those are sad situations, but there’s no way our officers in the field know what’s going to happen to that person once they reach the jail because, frankly, in the field there’s no way of knowing who is illegal or legal,” he said.

The month that the Valladares siblings have spent without their mother has been hard, the children said.

“My mom used to take me to my soccer games and now I usually get there very late because my coach has to pick me up,” said Cristian.

Leslie had to mature very quickly. She now cares for her siblings after school, which is no easy task, she said.

“They don’t do what I tell them,” she said. “They do what my mom says, but I’m the sister.”

Jan Pourquoi, a local business owner and a legal immigrant from Belgium, said that, on an individual basis he feels sorry for illegal immigrants, who he refers to as “victims of economic abuse,” but they are breaking a law and it is their choice whether they want to be separated or not.

“The illegality they got themselves into is one of their choice,” he said. “We should not be made feel bad about the illegal activities they got themselves into; we are not responsible for their consequences.”

Muñoz came to Dalton from Mexico City to work in the carpet factories in 2002. He went from earning less than $2 an hour in Mexico to more than $7 an hour in the United States, he said.

“We come here to work, to become better persons,” he said.

After only four years of living in Dalton, Cristian and Jennifer, 7, the two youngest children, feel more comfortable speaking English, while Leslie easily switches from English to Spanish, both flawlessly.

Leslie and her siblings want to stay here, but she said she would like to be here legally.

“I’m not going [be filled with] fear that one day my dad or my brothers or me are going to have to go back. I don’t have to be thinking that,” she said.

But for now there’s no way she can stay and there’s no way she can get “papers,” as she calls having a legal status.

For now, they’ll have to take comfort with taking their most precious mementos from Dalton — their “student of the month” diplomas from Dalton Middle School and their soccer medals and trophies and the fact that they’re back with their mother.

about Perla Trevizo...

Perla Trevizo joined the Chattanooga Times Free Press in 2007 and covers immigration/diversity issues and higher education. She holds a master’s degree in newswire journalism from Universidad Rey Juan Carlos in Madrid, Spain, and a bachelor’s degree in political science from the University of Texas. In 2011 she participated in the Bringing Home the World international reporting fellowship program sponsored by the International Center for Journalists, producing a series on Guatemalan immigrants for which she ...

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gmd1 said...

Being in the states illegally is a crime & if you commit a crime you must suffer the consequences.Big or small.And as far as the father stating he makes more money in the states,of course he does because the cost of living is much higher here but for every illegal immagrant that is employed that's one less American that has a job & cannot support or feed their family.I'm a firm believer in tougher deportation laws.We don't owe them an explanation or anything else for that matter!

July 1, 2011 at 6:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

There is a reason for the term "illegal immigrant". Those breaking the law are aware of their illegal status and potential consequences. There are situations generating a lot of sympathy that can cause people to support ignoring the law. There are as many or more that would generate tremendous support for strict enforcement. The media selects individual events anticipating reader, listener, viewer interest. The impact on the U.S. varies from state to state with overwhelming negative impact on some with little to none on others. Those not experiencing the negatives don't understand the concern of those experiencing significant adverse financial and criminal impact.

There will be no national action since most states therefore most members of congress have no appreciation for those experiencing the negative affects. Employers should have more responsibility and accountability for assuring the legal status of all employees. The penalty for individuals or businesses employing or assisting those breaking the law should be severe enough to be a deterrent. There are currently legal ways to enter the U.S. including guest worker programs.

July 1, 2011 at 8:20 a.m.
Oz said...

Mom broke the law and her children unfortunately suffer the consequences. Mothers and Fathers break the law everyday and their children suffer the consequences. Mom is to blame for the situation. She caused it.

"The Valladares family migrated illegally to the United States"... I guess drug dealers set up illegal pharmacies too?

If you don't have a problem with illegal entry. Leave your doors unlocked.

July 1, 2011 at 9:08 a.m.
bpqd said...

We need to offer compassionate and reasonable support to people who come to this country. If our own people had to go through this, they would not be so self-righteous in their short-sighted statements.

We need to rescind changes to immigration laws made by Republicans which effectively prohibit legal immigration for common people.

Welcome people to America. Stop acting like selfish jerks. These children are about to be sent away from their mother. The reality is, they are not likely to have their family reunited. If that was happening to a fat white kid from Signal Mountain, the Golf and Country Club would have a stroke.

July 1, 2011 at 9:17 a.m.
WEBMAN said...

No one complained or drafted bills about immigration issues when the economy was "booming".LMAO

July 1, 2011 at 9:19 a.m.
catt11daddy said...

No tears here, Good Bye-no other country allows criminals to walk its streets, work,drive, educate their kids,march in the streets,receive welfare,health care,at a cost of billions to its citzens. The statue of liberty is a sign of freedom but remember those that came here did it legally (Ellis Island), and not jumping a fence and evading border patrol, gives you the right to feel this country needs to change its laws for some criminals who broke the laws. Mexico has some of the hardest immigration laws there is and they enforce it when people are found to be in Mexico illegally. And the issue of road blocks SW Atlanta,Ga has the most road blocks ever, and the citizens welcome them because of the high crime rate in certain areas of SW. Dalton Police continue to do your job, God Bless You! To all illegals go home and get right, otherwise you'll get caught and face the same as this family.

July 1, 2011 at 9:46 a.m.
AlmostAmanda said...

I am amazed by the lack of compassion here. Whatever your stance on immigration issues, is it that hard to muster a little sympathy for these children who had no choice in any of this? Or the situations that drive people to come here illegally? Rather than judgment and spite, why not say a prayer for this family that they are able to stay together, improve their economic situation, and possibly come back legally and be contributing members of society.

July 1, 2011 at 10:26 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

Well, it's too bad for the kids who consider this "home" now because this is not their fault. I am sorry for them. They are innocent bystanders. I don't think the family should be broken up so the whole family needs to go. This is all the parents fault so "no sympathy" here. Too bad, so sad. The parents should take into consideration how the effect of being illegal would affect their children. Now, they will see first-hand what will happen.

Good-bye Mom. Now will someone come get the Dad?

July 1, 2011 at 10:27 a.m.
noapathy said...

“The illegality they got themselves into is one of their choice,” he said. “We should not be made feel bad about the illegal activities they got themselves into; we are not responsible for their consequences.”

Best part of the entire article. bpqd...the same thing WOULD be happening to us in another country but I wouldn't expect different results. It SHOULD happen to us if we tried that but the consequences would be much quicker and much more harsh. Thing is we aren't trying to do that...and America is a sinking ship just like Mexico. Saying it's ok that they are acting entitled does not mean they should be, in a nation of laws they chose to break several and it has finally caught up to them. It is unfortunate the kids have to suffer but that is part of the choice their parents made.

July 1, 2011 at 10:32 a.m.
CLG said...

Let's see...someone breaks into your house so you smile and invite them to stay...something doesn't sound right here. We're not talking about someone who is in the US legally, but illegally. They "broke in" so to speak. They knew it wasn't legal to do so, but did it anyway. How can anyone feel sorry for them?

If they want to be here, do it the right way and they'll be welcomed with open arms. Knock on my door and ask for something to drink and I'll give it to you; break in to do the same thing and there's now a problem.

July 1, 2011 at 10:52 a.m.
pamela said...

the mother had a valid mexico driver's license. look beyond the fox news rhetoric, people.

July 1, 2011 at 11 a.m.
justaperson said...

I hate it. But, it's the LAW....

July 1, 2011 at 11:43 a.m.
AlmostAmanda said...

L4F, I know you love throwing the references to communism around even when they make absolutely no sense, but maybe you should try reading a full post before you start with your reactionary drivel. I never excused the parents for their decision, nor did I suggest that the family be allowed to stay in the US, I simply suggested that people demonstrate a little compassion for the children who are in this situation through no fault of their own. I also hope that maybe people wish the family the best in staying together and coming back legally. It's not Marxism to feel for kids who are separated from their mom and forced to leave everything that is familiar to them, it's basic human decency and Christian compassion. You might want to give it a try sometime.

July 1, 2011 at 11:56 a.m.

I have compassion, It is very sad for the children that are in these situations and I feel sorry for them. Their mother and father should have become citizens as soon as they came to our country; by staying in this country illegally they have put their children at risk. All of the money that the state of Ga. has spent on people living in this state illegally has taken away from our money used in Ga. schools. The money needs to be put back into our schools!!!! I am sorry if some individuals think that it is non christian, but GA STUDENTS COME FIRST!!!!!!

July 1, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.
johnnyhurst said...

This is one of those really tough situations to hear about. It's really funny though that Bob Corkers party is really pushing these laws. Just a few years ago if you went to one of his construction sights all you saw were Central Americans, and don't bother asking those guys to share the work, by the way. I guess their services are no longer required, so now Georgia is firing the illegals. I am for legal immigration and tougher laws, but again we are missing the mark by not charging the people who employ and have made millions employing illegals with criminal conspiracy.

July 1, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
tobs13 said...

Moral of the story..... CHECK POINTS WORK.ILLEGAL is the new "slavery". The reason so many farm owners are protesting this bill is that they will lose their slave labor force. This law and others like it are long overdue in this country, as long as the Feds refuse to take ILLEGAL immigration seriously, the States HAVE to act.

July 1, 2011 at 12:25 p.m.
Veritas said...

Another sob story from PERLA TREVIZO, pardon me while I wipe a tear. Now let's get back to reality, it appears the new Georgia law is working. I for one am very happy to see this article, I hope there are many more of these obviously liberal propaganda stories, one for every ILLEGAL ALIEN deported from Georgia and the United States. The parents are at fault for bringing the children here in the first place, in this case the "sins" of the parents are visited upon the children. Adios Amigos!

July 1, 2011 at 12:34 p.m.
olhoazul2 said...

Thank Buddha the Egyptians way-back-when weren't so afflicted when dealing with immigrants like Joseph, Mary and Jesus by these devilish racist beliefs. It looks like these isolationists' purported religiosity might well have never otherwise developed. All these anti-human statements made most of these commenters here are in so many ways wrong, cruel, sad and bent. Makes too many of us lament that you all are getting away with this.

July 1, 2011 at 12:36 p.m.
rolando said...

eastridge8 said... "Good-bye Mom. Now will someone come get the Dad?"

Good post. I was wondering when and who would bring up the illegal Dad. Hopefully the Dalton police are watching...

The kids are illegal aliens too. It is a good idea for them to go home [to their real one] before they are deported along with mom. Once deported, it is not as easy to return legally.

Good ole "Mom" was driving without a valid drivers license and undoubtedly without insurance and has been doing so for at least 8 years. And she is not endangering other people? BS. Good ole "Dad" is probably doing the same.

July 1, 2011 at 1:59 p.m.
AlmostAmanda said...

L4F, nice straw men you tried to set up there, but it adds nothing to the discussion of those kids. Furthermore, the fact that you choose to call them "brats" says a lot about what kid of person you have chosen to be.

But since you asked why I would show sympathy to these kids: because they're human beings who are suffering. If you can't manage at least that much, then liberals are hardly your biggest problem.

Also, Bill Maher, someone whose behavior I frequently find repulsive, identifies as a libertarian - not that it, like most of your last post, has anything to do with this situation.

July 1, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.
McRand said...

They're actually victims of the hypocrisy that is evident by the fact of that over 12 million illegals in this country, both Democrats and Republicans never moved to enforce the immigration laws as pertaining to Mexican illegals. It's about either enforcing the laws or getting rid of them, which neither party cared to do. The message sent, from lack of enforcement for decades, is "Come on over, no one cares, and have a better life". Then when a heavy drain on state budgets come about from a souring economy and the welfare blessings we extended to those that we kind of invited to come on over, we want to toss them out. Use em then abuse em. That's right, we invited this problem and then we blame the victims. "Nothing new under the sun."

July 1, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.

How many illegals will be at upcoming Fourth of July soccer - oops, I mean fútbol - game at Finley Stadium?

July 1, 2011 at 2:32 p.m.
01centare said...

@johnnyhurst said... This is one of those really tough situations to hear about. It's really funny though that Bob Corkers party is really pushing these laws. Just a few years ago if you went to one of his construction sights all you saw were Central Americans, and don't bother asking those guys to share the work, by the way.

Unfortunately, most Americans have selective amnesia. I remember that too. I remember the Bob old boy's party espounding and bragging about the "work ethics" and dedication those Central Americans have. Their excuse for not hiring Americans, Americans don't have those same work ethics, skills and the likes. Before South and Central Americans were used as Union busters, poor southern blacks were used. Some of America's deadliest riots broke out pitting poor southern blacks against poor whites. Making them compete for jobs. Different century, people today, but the powers are building the foundation for a similar and same outcome.

July 1, 2011 at 2:57 p.m.
bpqd said...

The only reason why they are illegal is because we made it illegal for brown people to come to this county. I know. I am the son of a white immigrant. No one ever even asks us if we are legal.

When they find out we speak English, we go to the front of the line when it's time to process a visa.

We need to make immigration legal, so you hypocrites can stop typing "illegal" in capital letters.

They are only illegal because you are too jealous to share freedom.

July 1, 2011 at 3:22 p.m.
USA said...

Americans are so much hate towards the Mexicans. Yet you all want to be just like them. you lay out in the sun or go to tanning beds. what for? to have a tan? face it, you are white. Who loves mexican food?? Mexicans know how to cook don't they? I beleave they owned this land before white man ran them off. Spainerds discovered america.

July 1, 2011 at 3:23 p.m.
rolando said...

No, "USA", the AmerInds discovered the Americas; all the Spainerds [sic] did was run them off and take the land for their Royalty.

The new Americans took the land away from them -- they couldn't hold it any better than the AmerInds.

And we don't hate mestizos per se...we just heartily dislike those who enter our country, our cities, our hospitals, our homes and our lives without permission. Just because they have no concept or respect for private property doesn't mean we think the same.

There are legal methods in place to allow their LEGAL entry into our country.

July 1, 2011 at 3:57 p.m.
AlmostAmanda said...

You know, L4F, given all the stuff you have posted, I have tried to think of you as a decent guy who just had a very different and wrong-headed point of view. That last post pretty much proves me wrong. You argue against thinks no one else is saying. You make broad negative generalizations against liberals while dismissing poorly behaving libertarians and conservatives as some sort of fluke or phony. Both of those things make you intellectually lazy, but to call children names is just pathetic. I feel sorry for you.

July 1, 2011 at 4:06 p.m.
McRand said...

Let's all sing the "manifest destiny" song and invite all the Native Americans and Mexicans to Join us.

July 1, 2011 at 4:15 p.m.
TheresaB said...

I feel sorry for the children. I was born here, and I have to fallow the laws set by our government. If I don't I am punished.The are not her legally here therefore they do not belong. We tax payers are paying to support many of those who are not working. They recieve federal and state funded program dollars like Medicaid, welfare, housing relief and free education. The majority of the illegals don't pay taxes. Therefore they should not be entitled to ANY BENEFITS from the government. If the churches want to help them go for it! They are a non profit organization NOT receiving funds from the government, which funded by tax dollars. We have tuns of homeless and poor in this country that were born,and worked here. We have soldiers returning from war who have lost everything because they went to defend our freedoms. They are coming back hurt, and worn out, homeless. There families are in dire need of help.They are denied help... I guess you have to from across the boarder to recieve help! Am I mad..Heck yes I am. I am angry that our country is to darn concerned with every one else but there own people.Frankly, I am tired of the USA taking care of everyone else but there own people. When a catastrophe happens here do we expect other countries to come and help clean up the mess...NO! Other countries do. I guess you can sense my frustration with how things are going in our country today! We as a country (government) need to get their priority straight! Its of the people, for the people, by the people..NOT Of the illegals, by the illegals for the illegals. Reform immigration laws!

July 1, 2011 at 4:46 p.m.
tderng said...

hey bpqd...immigration is legal you moron.Whats not legal is to sneak into this country under cover of darkness.If you come to this country through legal channels then welcome,if not then goodbye and good riddance.If we can get our border closed then and only then I would be glad to talk about a path to citizenship for those who ILLEGALLY entered this country.Bring home our service men and women and put them on the border.The fight is coming to America from Mexico thanks to the drug cartels and we need to stop border crossings by human and drug smugglers.If the former Soviet Union could secure their thousands upon thousands of miles of borders then it shouldn't be too hard for America to do the same.

July 1, 2011 at 6:44 p.m.
PJLance said...

I concur. Let's do away all illegal immigrants! I'm sending out a letter seding my apartment and property to the Cherokee Nation; plus, I'm contacting the Irish embassy for re-patration papers.

Get over yourselves folks. Unless you are Native American YOU are ALL illegal immigrants. Take your Euro-trash selves back to the Fatherland.

And go take your hostility out on the people who put this economy in the shape that its in. These children didn't take away your 401k's, they didn't lay you off, and they're not the ones that caused the banking system to collapse. Looking for villains? Open the Wall Street Journal. They're usually lauded as "successful businessmen".

Or better yet...continue your ways. Keep blaming the wrong people. Keep blaming the weak and the powerless and the least of your brothers and sisters. You DESERVE to lose your job, your 401k and your standard of living. Just gets better.There's a day set aside for you...

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

July 1, 2011 at 7:02 p.m.
Wilder said...

Muhammad_Van_Buren said... How many illegals will be at upcoming Fourth of July soccer - oops, I mean fútbol - game at Finley Stadium?

I don't know how many here are aware of last weeks soccer match between the US and Mexico in the Rose Bowl. For some reason, Perla failed to mention it.

"According to Bill Plaschke of the Los Angeles Times, when the U.S. team took the field it was “smothered in boos. … Its goalkeeper was bathed in a chanted obscenity. Even its national anthem was filled with the blowing of air horns and bouncing of beach balls.”Indeed, were U.S. fans in a Mexican town to boo, jeer and chant obscenities at a Mexican team before, during and after a match, and blow horns during the Mexican national anthem, they would be lucky to get out of the stadium alive.

"What does this event, in which Plaschke estimates 80,000 fans in the Rose Bowl could not control their contempt for the U.S. team and for the U.S. national anthem, tell us? "Say Goodbye to Los Angeles" Pat Buchanan

"The persistent inflow of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two peoples, two cultures, and two languages. Unlike past immigrant groups, Mexicans and other Latinos have not assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, forming instead their own political and linguistic enclaves—from Los Angeles to Miami—and rejecting the Anglo-Protestant values that built the American dream. The United States ignores this challenge at its peril." "The Hispanic Challenge" Samuel P. Huntington ""

July 1, 2011 at 7:07 p.m.
Gump said...

PROTIP: Blaming brown people for your problems and painting them as a threat to white Americans? That's pretty damn racist.

July 1, 2011 at 7:22 p.m.
Wilder said...


"Evidence grows N. America's first colonizers were European"

LONDON — Stone Age Europeans were the first trans-Atlantic sailors. Columbus and the Vikings were mere ocean-crossing latecomers, according to a leading American anthropologist. Dennis Stanford, of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, says Neolithic fishermen and hunters sailed the Atlantic in tiny boats made of animal skins 18,000 years ago and colonized the eastern United States. "The Japan Times" November 29, 1999

July 1, 2011 at 7:26 p.m.
johnnyhurst said...

You know this is a shame for these kids. For the most part, hispanics do have a very strong work ethic. I know alot of guys from Mexico and Guatamala here illegally here, they work construction and make a very very good wage. They send almost all of their money back to their countries. One guy has built himself his dream home in seven years he said would take 70 years to build earning the wages back home.He will retire from here and go back to Central America in ten more years. Thing about it is, illegal immigrants take billions upon billions of dollars out of this country every year.Now i know that this isnt the case for every person here illegally, but from my experience, this is the case the vast majority of the time

July 1, 2011 at 10:17 p.m.
PJLance said...

@Wilder and others;

Please, make a point that's substantial. Arbitrary laws respecting arbitrary borders are hurting very real people. Look at the reasons why Latin Americans are coming to America and when you get the real answers you'll know where to assign the blame. The economic policies of the US and the behavior of multi-national corporations have destroyed local markets thus causing Latin Americans to flee to where the prosperity is. And that's right here.

If you lived in the kinds of places that Latin Americans live in, where the economic and social conditions are desperate, I doubt you'd follow the onerous and needlessly complicated system of immigration because you would want the best for you and your family.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that most of you, even if you were confronted with the facts, wouldn't care. Like Pharaoh of Egypt, your hearts are hardened and you will not hear the truth because it means that you would have to give up shamefully-privileged lifestyles based on GREED.

You think I'm being harsh? Look at yourselves! You pridefully uphold a system of laws that would destroy families and rape the weakest among us because you yearn to believe that they are the cause of your economic woes. Why you all are so eager to blame the least of our brothers and sisters is beyond me. Maybe its because you know that going after the real enemies, the worshippers of Mammon, would cause you "discomfort".

Every person on this thread who is not outraged at the needless separation and destruction of this family is lacking in empathy and, thus, is less than human.

July 1, 2011 at 10:35 p.m.
johnnyhurst said...

Lance I feel your compassion. Im not sure how my point isnt substantial. The guys I know arent here to make America stronger or assemilate themselves into our culture. They are just like the conquistadors, carrying our riches to their homeland. I do empathise with these kids plight, it sounds like these folks came here to become permanent residents, and from what i understand several of these kids are American. Not sure what you do for a living but me, I work with my hands and hispanics have taken over the construction industry. If you see a crew of them working, go up to them and ask if they will give you some of their work. You will hear an emphatic Nooooo. Ive tried.

July 1, 2011 at 11:03 p.m.
Wilder said...

@pjs "Please, make a point that's substantial"

What is substantial about your point? BTW, what is your point? Your entire dissertation is complete nonsense - nothing is based on facts.

Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world. If you want to see desperate living conditions, go to Sierra Leone, or Ethiopia. Mexico has many, many neighborhoods that make Chattanooga look like a shanty town.

The pure Europeans, who are the ruling class in Mexico, have dumped their unskilled, uneducated and criminal elements on the American people, because they can. As a matter of fact, it is alleged that one of the major lint houses in Dalton sent buses down to the border to pick them up and haul them back.

As you may have concluded by reading this thread, the American people had absolutely nothing to do with this arrangement, and they aren't buying the incoherent jibberish that people like you expouse. They have no obligation whatsoever to sustain indigent Mexican nationals, who were recruited here by selfserving, greedy, sociopaths.

Particularly, unappreciative, arrogant, defiant, Mexican nationals who are under the delusion that our country belongs to them, and they are somehow entitled to everything we have, because we took it from the Indians. That simpleton nonsense might make sense to a fool, but no one else is going to buy it.

July 1, 2011 at 11:32 p.m.
nucanuck said...

In most cases, illegal migrants take jobs no else will apply for at any rational wage. Removing up to 20 million people makes about as much economic sense as the war against Iraq.

Poorly structured immigration/temporary worker laws have led to the present situation where workers were encouraged to "work the system" in order to satisfy US needs for hard labor. Our businesses happily hired these "illegals" knowing that most were in country without proper documentation, that they came because they knew jobs awaited them.

We have used, often abused, these people and now want to call them criminals for doing what American business wanted them to do.

We have our blame gun aimed in the wrong direction. We need to clean up the process, not destroy working families.

July 2, 2011 at 1:30 a.m.
rolando said...

So why don't you take all of them up to your "gated" island of Vancouver, nucanuck? All 50 million or so of them.

It is time to stop talking as if you care about America when you are essentially Canadien. Come back when you decide to rejoin us in Chattanooga full time.

July 2, 2011 at 8:20 p.m.
blackcatsoda said...

I have a better idea. The USA needs to tax all money being sent out of the country by 50% if you are not a legal citizen of the USA. This would add another burden for these illegals. Maybe enough to keep them out of our country. We also need to clarify the law to deny illegals the rights Americans have. ACLU needs to lose any funding they receive if they file lawsuits against the country that supports them.

July 2, 2011 at 11:56 p.m.
pepboy said...

Ok, apparently the times doesn’t do enough research or they just don’t report all the facts. I guess the mother showed the officer her Mexican driver’s license because she was suspended. Maybe the times could find out why she was suspended and let us all know. I’m sure they can turn that around to and make it look innocent.

July 4, 2011 at 12:01 a.m.
dmarengo1 said...

If you read the story, it says the kids only came here four years ago. That means these unwed parents just left their own children behind to be raised by 'someone'. So what has changed? Why won't that poor excuse for a father stand by his own children and go home with them? Don't let this foolish story make you feel sorry for them. This is just a way of life for law breakers. They learn fast how to play on the sympathy of a bleeding heart. Please just adopt them all and free the tax payers of that burden if you feel so bad for people who pull this con game on American citizens. The kids are only going back to where their own parents left them in the first place.

July 6, 2011 at 9:33 p.m.
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