published Thursday, July 28th, 2011

Early morning double shooting leaves one dead and one in hospital

2305 East 17th Street
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A police official said Chattanooga Police are investigating a shooting that took place just after midnight at 2305 East 17th Street.

According to a victim, two male suspects entered the home and demanded money when one of the suspects shot James Williams Jr., 23, multiple times in the chest.

Williams was taken to a local hospital and underwent emergency surgery where he died, according to police.

A second victime, Yetta Harris, 38, was shot once in the chest and once in the stomach and was taken into surgery, according to police.

Police are currently looking for the suspects.

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ChattaVol06 said...

Another day, another murder in Chattanooga... sad.

July 28, 2011 at 8:07 a.m.
tderng said...

L4F..they don't report those because it doesn't fit their anti-gun agenda.

July 28, 2011 at 9:15 a.m.
SilenceDogood11 said...

@ L4F

Her lawn man never tried to mow her yard again.

July 28, 2011 at 9:44 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

Why can't the TFP remove all of those "shopping ads"?

July 28, 2011 at 10:16 a.m.
chiyote said...

To all previous posters: What??? Are you guys suggesting that the TFP make stories up just to fit YOUR agenda??? You can't add facts that aren't true, just to put a spin on it. I mean seriously.

July 28, 2011 at 11:18 a.m.
Shock said...

Gosh, maybe they reported this murder because it happened in Chattanooga and they didn't report the old lady story because it happened in California.

Christ, L4F - I'm a gun owner who supports gun rights, but your post is bizarrely off-topic. Any shooting in our community, whether in self-defense or not, is going to be reported by the paper. I suspect it is a much less common occurrence for someone to be sitting in their living room with a loaded gun in his lap waiting for someone to kick his door in, than for someone to be caught unawares by a home invasion. Perhaps that could explain why you're not seeing heroic armed citizens shooting bad guys in the paper every day. OR, maybe you're right and brave citizens are shooting criminals every single day and the paper just isn't reporting it because of some anti-gun conspiracy.

So the rash of violence continues in Chattanooga and that's your contribution to the discussion? Blame the paper? Really?

July 28, 2011 at 11:27 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

Well, here we go again....!! Off and running!!

Another shooting...another THUG in action!!

July 28, 2011 at 11:29 a.m.

L4F, This is a good story for them to report on. Maybe it will encourage those who have sense to get a gun of their own so that if it happens to them, they will be ready and the thugs who might consider this will have a story to read that might make them think twice.

July 28, 2011 at 11:40 a.m.
hambone said...

Maybe the victim here had a carry permit but he had to pawn his gun to pay for his bond because of his drug arrest!

July 28, 2011 at 11:56 a.m.
grandmastaj said...

Wow, I didn't know it was possible for the nuts that comment on TFP to get crazier, but again I am taught otherwise.

July 28, 2011 at 12:24 p.m.
bigbearzzz said...

Sawed off, pistol grip 12 at that Jack!!! And yes, unless you know that a handgun naturally kicks your hand in an upward direction, you arent gonna hit the side of a barn

July 28, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.
rolando said...

Shock said, "Gosh, maybe they reported this murder because it happened in Chattanooga and they didn't report the old lady story because it happened in California."

The TFP certainly didn't report my fending off a potential assault in my own backyard by drawing my handgun here in Hamilton County, Shock.

I would have received a serious a$$-whuppin' by that 20something if I hadn't drawn it. He was arrested later for assaulting his live-in...I testified at his trial...he served time.

Not a word of this in this rag as to how one man with a gun turned a sallow-faced wannabe violent bully into a craven, knee-knocking coward in tears pleading for me to not hurt him. Amazing how a .45 bore facing someone turns them to jelly.

Now what that guy with the irises like cup saucers didn't know was that I carried concealed for 35-40 years for the feds, qualified every three months all those years, and am quite familiar with my Kimber. And yes, I would have double-tapped him, center of mass, had he continued his assault.

Took the cops 12-15 minutes to get to my place after I called. Pretty good time, actually, considering the distance. So remember, when seconds count, who do you call when you don't have a gun?

Anyway, end of unpublished story...but the court records are there.

July 28, 2011 at 1:26 p.m.
Shock said...

Rolando, re-read my post. The TFP reported a shooting, just like they would report any shooting - self defense or not. You didn't shoot anybody, right? What's your point, then?

Is this the spot in my post where I'm supposed to talk about how many years I've spent shooting trap, skeet and sporting clays and what caliber and manufacture my shotguns are to prove I'm a gun supporter like you are?

I'm not anti-gun, Rolando. I'm anti-crazy. Or at least anti-crazy posts. Which there have been aplenty under this story.

July 28, 2011 at 2:01 p.m.
dao1980 said...

That's a nice handgun you've got there rolando, I have always loved a Kimber.

July 28, 2011 at 2:33 p.m.
Shock said...

L4F -

"Shock, if TFP can report on a crazy gunman in Norway they can report on self-defense with a gun in California. After all, every newspaper has local news, state news, national news and international news."

So a little old lady shooting a burglar in the leg is equal in importance to a nut who kills almost 100 people?

"No they're not, pro-gun stories are usually buried in newspapers if published at all, they rarely make it to the front page."

I stand by my statement - any shooting in this community would be published by the paper.

"Many people keep loaded guns in their nightstand." Yes, they do. My point was that there are MANY fewer self-defense shootings to be reported in the news than offensive/criminal shootings. Are you refuting that?,

"For example, why don't we ever hear any positive stories about smoking, fat people, SUV's, etc?" Wow, I really don't even know what to write here.

"And let's face it, they're afraid of publishing pro-gun stories because they don't want people thinking "gee, maybe I should get a gun." Oh well, maybe someday a conservative billionaire will buy this crappy paper and we'll finally get some real news for a change."

This paper IS owned by a conservative billionaire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_E._Hussman,_Jr. (I think you'll have to copy and paste the link)

Scroll down to the newspaper philosophy portion.

July 28, 2011 at 3:02 p.m.
Shock said...

L4F:

Here's two stories published in the paper where robbers were shot. I didn't even have to search very hard. Can we agree that after I've proven you're pulling stuff out of your behind, you'll just quit trying to defend the ridiculous stuff you're posting today?

DECATUR

Father shoots, kills 1 of 3 robbers

DeKalb County police continued Friday to look for two suspects after a man shot and killed a third attacker who tried to rob his family as they returned home from a school event.

DeKalb police spokesman Jonathon Ware said Ronald Johnson, 36, and his family were getting out of their vehicle at their home in south DeKalb County when the suspects, armed with a handgun and a shotgun, attempted to rob them Thursday night.

Johnson pulled his own gun and killed one of the suspects in a shooting police “deemed justified,” Ware said, and the other two men fled on foot.

Ware said Friday that police had not yet identified the dead man. No charges will be filed against Johnson, and no one else was injured.

SAVANNAH

Police: Would-be robber shot

Police say a man who tried to rob a Savannah convenience store ended up being shot with his own gun after a clerk refused to hand over any money without a fight.

According to police, the clerk managed to wrestle away one of the 19-year-old’s two guns and shoot him in the leg Thursday afternoon. The suspect dropped the other gun, which wasn’t loaded, as he ran away.

"Not all billionaires are conservatives, buddy."

Did you read the link? He's a conservative. Quit being wrong. Seriously, just stop it.

I'm not a liberal with a gun. I mostly identify with libertarians as I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Not the kind of social liberal who believes the government ought to stupidly dictate the market and human behavior (salt, fat, etc.) but the kind of social liberal who believes the government ought not to be dictating the ins and outs of our lives.

As far as the paper goes - do you even read it? There are two editorial pages (with two cartoons) representing both viewpoints. Anything outside of the editorial pages is supposed to be neutral (it isn't always).

Reporting a criminal shooting is not the same thing as advocating gun control. Same thing with the paper reporting on the obesity epidemic in the south. It doesn't mean the paper is advocating that government jump in a pass laws controlling our actions (which is abhorrent, by the way). It's news because it is a growing community health hazard that impacts our wallets in terms of increased health care costs. It's all just news. Quit being ridiculous.

July 28, 2011 at 4:08 p.m.
rolando said...

dao1980 -- Yeah, it's a beauty, alright. Pro Crimson Carry 2. I bought it about six months before the 2008 election. It was a bit pricey but, as with my Harley, I always wanted a quality .45ACP. They went up about 50% shortly after that...along with anything else having to do with guns. Another thing to blame on Obama.

High capacity magazines are again in short supply...again, thanks to Obama. I'm trying to find one for my .40S&W M&P. He sure helped the gun industry. Gun shops and liquor stores never lose money.

July 28, 2011 at 4:27 p.m.
rolando said...

dao1980 - Here's a story makes you go, "Ah, S--t."

A decade before I retired, our outfit changed from the old 5-rd Chief's Special to the military 1911 .45. The AF Gunsmiths at Kelly AFB, TX found about 500 new-in-cosmoline for us...the modified them for easier conceal by cutting 1" off the barrel, slide, and frame; then cut the magazine and Butt off about the same making them 6+1. We carried locked, loaded, and cocked in the holster.

In my innocence I had no idea what I had...I used to joke about it turning out 8 dresses a week. Yeah, it was made by The Singer Company [or Singer Manufacturing Company, can't remember]. Either way, it was one of the 500 they made for WW2. There were no "Property Of The US Govt' markings on it either. Had I know what I had, I might have "lost" it...perhaps as well I didn't. That was a loss-of-credentials offense.

Oh well. Take care.

July 28, 2011 at 4:35 p.m.
rolando said...

Shock, we are on an online edition of the TFP. There is no "right-hand" side of the editorial page here, much less a conservative cartoon, although Free Press editorials abound as well as a few from the Times side. This paper is rather unique in that aspect...but it is hardly balanced in its reporting...maybe 3- or 4- to 1.

Yes, I am aware of the content and layout of the paper copy...I subscribed for a number of years back when it wasn't magazine-sized. So now we are online...where we can actually post [and get printed] a comment or two.

July 28, 2011 at 4:49 p.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

Get a gun, train with it and pray you never have to use it. The TFS should not post stories like Rolando's because most people don't do it for the 'glory'. If an individual is lucky (prepared) enought to suvive such an attack the last thing a 'normal' person would want is for their name, address and type of firearm they have to be printed in the local paper. Really?

"Real bad boys move in silence." Notorious BIG

http://www.military.com/video/forces/coast-guard/tip-of-the-spear-running-the-gauntlet/973141074001/

July 28, 2011 at 4:55 p.m.
Selah said...

nooga...lol

seasmokie59er...the quote is true...ghetto gangsta and good ole boys gangsta pack. The good ole boys make all kinds of GREAT moves in silence. They are so calm, cool and collect---true gangsta crooks.

July 28, 2011 at 5:04 p.m.
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