published Thursday, June 9th, 2011

The Main Event

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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dude_abides said...

The recession should be wearing a Yale cheerleader's sweater. Did Laura Bush really kill someone in a car wreck?

June 9, 2011 at 12:13 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

I AM HOPEFUL

I can only pray that our knot headed conservative tea bagging friends will be able to find it in their cold dark souls to approve of today's cartoon. I'm sure Clay is wringing his hands and pacing with anticipation, hoping for a least tepid approval from the wing nuts.

You know who you are.

Thank you.

June 9, 2011 at 12:23 a.m.
OllieH said...

Very funny, blackwater. Somehow, I don't think that Clay either seeks, or will he receive any approval from his reflexive critics on this forum.

June 9, 2011 at 12:38 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT, OLLIE

Not 'right' as in right wing nut jobs, you know. Right as in correct.

But I remain hopeful, even as waves of tea bagging bile and toxic comments saturate this forum.

There use to be more dialogue. I think this cartoon is appropriate in its use of a 'professional' grappler icon. Too many people on this site engage in talk wrestling.

June 9, 2011 at 12:54 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Obama could probably handle a recession, but this looks to be higher up the ricter scale. None of the old Keynesian tricks are working. Credit default swaps have so intertwined international banking that any failing entity could set off a cascade of failures.

Neither Obama nor (fill in the blank) will be able to make much of a difference in the contraction before 2016.

What can be done now/soon is to restructure banking risk and the culture of debt so that when we get to the bottom of this cycle, we will have a workable structure to build upon.

June 9, 2011 at 1:43 a.m.
alprova said...

Dude_Abides wrote: "Did Laura Bush really kill someone in a car wreck?"

Laura Bush didn't, but Laura Welch did.

It happened in 1963.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

June 9, 2011 at 2:18 a.m.
aidehua said...

This is your first funny cartoon yet. Keep up the new, great work!

June 9, 2011 at 3:51 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

what the hell does laura bush have to do with this?

June 9, 2011 at 4:59 a.m.
mymy said...

Sea: Another distraction from reality.

June 9, 2011 at 6:49 a.m.
woody said...

OMG!! Someone woke up "The Monk!"

Giving credit where credit is due (a concept "The Baggers" have yet to grasp) nearly all of our past presidents have had their "one shining moment", while suffering from seeming defeat in other areas. This president is no different in that respect.

That said, I am sure Obama's second term should be 'in the bag', if for no other reason than he was able to do that which "W" was incapable of doing.

You just gotta love them Seals..Woody

June 9, 2011 at 6:52 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

u libs are so desperate to distract that you bring laura bush? laura bush?....

"obama can handle a recession" ?..yeah...that's what he's doing. obama is the poster child for adding debt on top of debt.......he owns that. away from the subject of the cartoon......predictable...

and obama didn't handle anyone......bin laden's death was years in the making....give credit where it's due..to the "evil" cia, our intel and our brave military.

you libs are so desperate to distract that you bring laura bush? laura bush?....

"obama can handle a recession" ?..yeah...that's what he's doing. obama is the poster child for adding debt on top of debt.......he owns that.

now obumble wants to help bail out greece? ....and it looks like we're stepping up our involvment in yemen......

where are the war leftist war protesters protesting our involvement in libya and yemen now?

anyone who can smuggly proclaim obama has reelection in the bag, is either on something or has their head firmly up their leftist ass........take your pick woody?

yet, somehow laura welch, the killer, needs to be brought up.

desperation...pure desperation.

June 9, 2011 at 7:09 a.m.
EaTn said...

Congrats to Clay for a toon that will tickle the right and be a warning to the left. If anyone has doubts about the economy and presidential reelections, just ask Daddy Bush. For a nation with short attention spans, come election the Osama bin Laden removal will be a faint memory but the economy will be a flashing neon sign. Obama has year to get the unemployment in a firm downward trend without any help from the conservative legislation and their corporate partners. He has to uncover and expose their intent more openly to the voters.

June 9, 2011 at 7:28 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

all the people that have been foreclosed on, have lost their jobs, will lose jobs, can't find enough work, have to pay a ton for gas and food, realize obamacare is a scam in which the "right" people get a waiver, and realize how much debt obumble has saddled their grandchildren with ..don't give a flying flip about bin laden. obama's i/me/my/mine speeches and his strutting/chest beating tour taking credit for it, pretty much sickened everyone.........bennett's cartoon is on the mark....

the one thing he could've added would be a chilli dog in obama's other hand.......he can focus on one like a "laser beam"....

June 9, 2011 at 7:30 a.m.
ProudDem said...

Obama is awesome as president. I just wish he would do more to cut Social Security and Medicare. Then the money could be applied to Welfare and Medicaid where it's really needed! We could then even extend these benifits to our neigbors to the south, the poor migrant workers.

June 9, 2011 at 7:46 a.m.
rolando said...

The new millennium has arrived. Clay has criticized Obozo and nucanuck has agreed with the criticism.

Congrats to you both. There is hope for you yet.

June 9, 2011 at 7:52 a.m.
rolando said...

SeaMonkey, you are spot-on, as usual.

The only thing Obozo has proven adept at is vacations and overseas a$$-kissing, Chicago-style payback for those who opposed him [Midwest, Texas, and undoubtedly Arizona], more payback to his cronies, starting his own wars, and thoroughly screwing the taxpayer without benefit of twitting photos. [I would mention his golf game but it is pathetic...like the rest of his "governing". ]

June 9, 2011 at 7:57 a.m.
twharr said...

I could have sworn, a couple of months ago, I told the neo-cons/extremist that Bennett isn't one-sided. You guys told me to come up with proof based on his past satires. Well, I think this says it all. I feel that Bennett is an independent, however, you cons (and I do mean "cons") always make it seem he's a far to the left liberal. Give him credit...he calls it like it is.

June 9, 2011 at 7:59 a.m.
rolando said...

Nice post, ProudDem. Elegantly and quietly stated sarcasm.

Hopefully he won't take you seriously...

June 9, 2011 at 8:01 a.m.
rolando said...

twrrr - That was then [and you couldn't], this is now. Clay throws us a sop...time will tell if the balancing continues. God knows there is enough material out there to allow it. On both sides.

June 9, 2011 at 8:03 a.m.
twharr said...

Rolando, the twit within the twit. The flip-flopper within the flop. Dude, like seriously, stop posting comments on this site. I challenge you to try not to fit in. Come organically with it. You're like a Lanister. yawn-yawn-yawn...

June 9, 2011 at 8:05 a.m.
woody said...

"Monk", as always, your point of view can likened to that of someone with their head so far up their own backside it would embarrass most proctologists.

With all due respect to my dearly departed mother I believe I will include you in her favorite category of people she used to refer to as "...walking, talking encyclopedias of useless information...."

I am now through talking to you..because I have better things to do..Woody

June 9, 2011 at 8:06 a.m.
twharr said...

Nice post by ProudDem?? Clandestine Sarcasm?? If I had a GED and an Associates I'd probably agree with you Rolando.

June 9, 2011 at 8:11 a.m.
rolando said...

In your dreams, twrrr, in your dreams -- the wet ones.

As with all Progressives, you mouth free speech for everyone -- everyone who wholeheartedly and unreservedly agrees with you, that is. [I think there might be one or two of those posting here.]

So who made you the site censor/moderator?

I will post as I durn well please on this forum...including following the old rules, wherever they may be posted these days.

So go suck rocks...or something.

June 9, 2011 at 8:12 a.m.
twharr said...

"Durn" - "Suck on rocks" - need I go on?? Underscore - Underscore - Underscore...

June 9, 2011 at 8:15 a.m.
rolando said...

There wasn't anything "clandestine" about ProudDem's post at all, twrr. You should avoid posting big words you do not understand. Perhaps if you had gotten beyond writing with crayons, you would understand that.

June 9, 2011 at 8:16 a.m.
rolando said...

You grow tiresome, twrrr...and reveal your slow-wittedness. I will give you the last word.

June 9, 2011 at 8:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

The wrestler recession may win the wrestling match but Obama will be reelected even if unemployment remains at 9% or worse. Gas can go over $5 a gallon, he will still be elected. The American electorate's ignorance of economics and understanding of the economy is evident. It is a simple process of adding up who will vote how, no polls needed:

o Blacks, Hispanics, American Indians, Muslims will vote for him.

o The 49% paying little or no taxes and receiving welfare and earned income credit will vote for Obama.

o A majority of Jews will vote for him.

o Liberals and homosexuals will vote for him

o Members of the democratic party will vote for him

o Union members will vote for Obama

o College graduate females will vote for him, it's his oratory skills

o Big business will support him, he has nearly one billion in his war chest from them already. He gives them access to tax money if they support his social and political agenda.

o Seniors will respond and fall for bait and switch tactics and rhetoric.

o About 50% of independents will vote for Obama, he won't need that many.

o A majority of those under the age of 30 will vote for Obama.

o The media will support him to avoid being labeled racist and in exchange for promised appearances and access to him if elected.

His economic policies may lead the nation to ruin but the general public's lack of knowledge and understanding of economics and the seriousness of the economic situation will keep that from resulting in his defeat. He can't be beat, no republican or independent candidate can over come his advantage. Obama is the only person that can cause him to lose, he is too political savvy to let that happen.

June 9, 2011 at 8:18 a.m.
twharr said...

I'm sorry Rolando I could have sworn you said "Elegantly and quietly stated sarcasm." To me that's clandestine sarcasm. Secretively put in the means of, hmmmm, Limbaugh…the guy with the poetic injustice of the common ground aka cons/tea-partiers/birthers/evangelicals. I know reading my posts are off the rockers with you. Maybe I'll see you at the Strut?? Have a good one lad.

June 9, 2011 at 8:26 a.m.
chet123 said...

Where were these dumb butt when they were outsourcing our american jobs over seas....hmmmmthey bought into that economic theory...so it didnt work....LOL LOL DUMB DUMB DUMB!...MAY TAKE LONGER THAN 4 YEARS TO TURN THIS ONE AROUND...BUT I WOULDNT GO BACK TO THE OLD TRICKLE DOWN THEORY...i truly think this recession is MAN MADE...CORPORATE CANT HAVE ITS WAY!!SO they are just sitting on the money.....American should just weather it out....this is a form of black-mail..a new system need to be put in place.

June 9, 2011 at 8:27 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Sorry, Seamonkey. I made a statement regarding the cartoon, and thought someone could enlighten me on the other subject, and someone did. Thanks for limiting my freedom of speech, though, and I will gladly give you reminders from now on when you stray from the exact subject of the conversation. Say, isn't it about time for you to reinvent yourself? To shed that old skin and bloom into another person that nobody will recognize?

June 9, 2011 at 8:31 a.m.
twharr said...

Harp339, wow!! Did you get those stats from Fox or Limbaugh University?? I can honestly say you're dumber than Rolando. Do me one smaaaaaaaaaaaalllll favor! Prior to posting far to the right satire that you got from the Conservative Inquirer, conduct your own poll. Go and speak with the people and not projecting on the people - with what you think they would say. Confusing?? Yeah, I sort of figured you‘d think that.

June 9, 2011 at 8:36 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

YOU CAN'T RELY ON TRUE BELIEVERS

Obama will win a second term because the Tea Bagger mentality has seized the republican party. The idea of the GOP being a 'big tent party' is a faded memory, replaced by conservative purity tests. Republicans also MUST support the Ryan Budget plan which seeks to turn social security and medicare into profit makers for the health insurance industry, and to cut taxes for billionaires another 10%.

This is not popular with democrats, republicans, or independents.

In the 2000 and 2004 elections Bush was supported by around 43% of hispanic voters. In 2008 McCain only got 29%. Nationally, republican controlled state legislatures have enacted controversial immigration policies which, regardless of merit, have alienated even more hispanic voters.

It doesn't really matter which candidate winds up with the republican nomination because the deck is stacked against him. You can't win an election appealing to only your base of True Believers.

Just ask George McGovern and Michael Dukakis.

You can, however, win an election when the electorate votes AGAINST your opponent.

Just ask Jimmy Carter.

June 9, 2011 at 8:52 a.m.
fairmon said...

twharr,

How do you view it as the right when I am saying the left can't lose? Fox and Limbaugh are saying Obama will be beat, he can't win with unemployment and gas prices so high. Which group do you think is in error? I don't really give a rip which side wins the eventual results will be similar. It is obvious it will be nearly impossible for Obama to lose unless he personally screws up real bad.

June 9, 2011 at 8:53 a.m.
BobMKE said...

I have to give credit where credit is do. Good job Clay. Also to Al, who ripped me a good one on my post on Clay's last cartoon subject. Harp, I agree with most of your 8:18 a.m. post but Oblamea (AKA: Jimmy Carter II) will lose the independant vote big time and that is hard to overcome. Also I can't believe that Oblamea will win like FDR did with an unemployment rate that high.

June 9, 2011 at 9:04 a.m.
tderng said...

Ahhhh,now doesn't that feel good clay?I knew you had it in you.Good job!I don't think our economy will take a double dip recession...I believe a depression will be the wrestling teammate tagged.I'm not sure that anything can be done about it,imho.I don't believe America will cut spending enough to matter and will keep spending us right into the teeth of depression.

June 9, 2011 at 9:11 a.m.
LibDem said...

Mr. Bennett is a political cartoonist. I'm puzzled that some people expect that a political commentator, on either the right or the left, will be 'fair and balanced'. When you attend a sports event, of course you cheer equally for both sides because you don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but the cheerleaders on the field are allowed to be slightly biased.

June 9, 2011 at 9:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

It may be impossible to break the wrestler's strangle hold. Check this out at the bureau of public debt. 61% of the current treasury debt becomes due in the next four years. The debt will have to be rolled over, we can't pay it. The huge bond supply will drive bond prices down and interest rates up. Interest rates at around 4.5% will result in interest on the debt of around 750 billion per year, around twenty five cents of each tax dollar. This is more than currently spent on defense or social security. At some point the results can only be bad and will affect everyone. The fed has stated they will quit printing money by June 30th. It won't stay stopped long, they can't, we will have to buy our own bonds to avoid higher interest and further erode the value of the dollar. The decreasing value of the dollar is why gas is going up and food prices are increasing.

June 9, 2011 at 9:34 a.m.
fairmon said...

BobMKE,

You may be right about the independent vote but I don't think he will need 50% of the independents with his special interest support. 20% of independents would probably be enough for him to win. Do you think it matters which party wins? Does either party have the wherewithal to address the issue before we implode?

June 9, 2011 at 9:42 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

i disagree harp.....obama will lose. nearly all independents that voted for him in '08 will not vote for him in '12.....there will be huge voter apathy on the part of those who normally vote democrat. young people will not turn out for him because they now view him as a sell-out and a hypocrite......new wars/ broken promises regarding many things.....black disallusionment with him is huge.....he's now viewed by many in the black community as a tool and an elitist who doesn't really care about the black community.......a huge percentage of those who are under- employed or umemployed will not vote for him......that's 35% to 45% of this country.

the senate will go republican in '12..the republicans will control both houses in '12.....

most people in this country work for medium to small size companies......they know they've been hurt by obama and they know the companies t hey've worked for have too...

and woody..i couldn't care less what you think. i make lots of good points.......you're just a liberal tool and, like most leftists, think the 1st ammendment only applies to you..

to the best of my knowledge you have never "talked to me".....from the get go you started attacking me, along with hambreath......just because i hammer obama. well...i didn't realize you and hambone had such a man crush on obama.

"limiting my freedom of speech"...and how am i capable of doing that?.....brilliant..

yeah..i believe all of a sudden you had this huge urge to find out if laura (welch) bush is a killer.

knew jerk liberal reaction.....everytime obama's on the spot it's time to bring up a bush. no matter what bush it is......very transparent..

sorry...obama owns this mess...obama, pelosi and company piled on the debt and spread money around to those they favor. total irresponsibility.

nov. 2nd 1010.......more of the same in 2012

we were better off 4 years ago than we are now.....there's no denying that.....to think most people don't think that is dilussional.

June 9, 2011 at 9:47 a.m.
limric said...

Great cartoon Clay.

Sorry Mr. Obama, the shiny bin Laden trinket, while impressive, just isn’t as important as my neighbors economic health. You put yourself through the ropes. We’re (I’m) not fooled anymore.

The left portrayed (with some justification) Team Dubya as incompetent or felonious, the right portrays Team Obama as being the same, with their henchmen in the Federal Reserve being just as incompetent - or clueless. This implies that perhaps someday they will wake up and get a clue.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

Everybody on team Dubya, Team Obama and in the Fed are competent and understand exactly what is happening. Other than a couple of regional Fed honchos, this group has been unified in expediting the biggest theft and wealth transfer scheme the world has ever seen...draining your personal and collective resources into the hands of the oligarchs.

Haven’t you noticed the public outrage? that the Fed's low interest rates, combined with a still unregulated financial market, provides endless cheap money with which the banksters speculate on commodities like food and energy, thereby exacerbating inflation - that the government proceeds to tell us does not exist.
This naked manipulation and theft is starting to give even the dullest citizens pause. I am worried we may be headed for a clash between the haves and have nots on par with the Civil War and nothing is going to prevent it from happening.

June 9, 2011 at 9:59 a.m.
chet123 said...

Hope the republican celebrites....but dont count this dude out...think he may have to pull that mask off his opponent and see whos under the mask....may be corporate America(Man-Made)LOL LOL LOL

Anyone want to wage a bet????? i say Obama will win 2012 LOL LOL..Obama Problem is that he is too soft....need some pit bulls who dont mind during some dirty work....fight fire with fire!..........the OLD SCOTCH AND BURN POLICY LOL LOL see who ghet smoked out LOL LOL

June 9, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

alprova owes me $1000, but i don't think i'll see it. so, chet, i'll say obama loses in 2012, but i don't think any of you libs are good for it on here.

i thought my typing and spelling was sloppy, but compared to you i'm a proof reader.

there's nothing to celebrate...both parties have failed....bush and the country club republicans went along with big spending democrats so they'd be liked.....and obama, who is ignorant and irresponsible, pushed ahead with his plan to 'transform' this country no matter how it wrecks us financially. the last thing we needed after bush's second term , in which he was a terrible steward of our tax dollars, was a big spending socialist who plays with our money like it's monopoly money.......no one is celebrating......

bush had a background in business, which makes his wasteful second term even more inexcusable... but electing obama was like throwing gasoline on a fire.

June 9, 2011 at 11:12 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Good cartoon Clay. I personally appreciate the improved balance you are demonstrating lately, whatever that is worth.

The only thing I would change is to eliminate the words "Yeah, but". The administration is still claiming the economy is in recovery and any bad news is just natural variation on the way back up. On the surface they look clueless.

June 9, 2011 at 11:19 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 proclaimed: “His economic policies may lead the nation to ruin but the general public's lack of knowledge and understanding of economics and the seriousness of the economic situation will keep that from resulting in his defeat. He can't be beat, no republican or independent candidate can over come his advantage. Obama is the only person that can cause him to lose, he is too political savvy to let that happen.”

His economic policies may lead the nation to ruin? Believe you’ve oversimplified this picture considerably, Harp3339. Have you not? And what grand Republican and/or Independent political economic wizard do you feel could magically undo this alleged evil spell that you say Barrack Obama – the savvy President - has cast upon us?

Your grand political economic wizard can’t be anybody in the George W. Bush Jr. Tax Cut crowd whose only ambition in life is to continue providing more aid and more comfort to their favored 1% billionaire constituency; and it can’t be from the non-thinker crowd like Boehner who mindlessly blame anything and everything on overtaxation and overregulation of big business, especially since everybody knows there have been few major regulation increases since Obama took office and taxes are lower today than they were in the late 90’s when the economy was growing and adding 250,000 jobs a month.

So who is it, Harp3339? Surely, you’re not thinking of one of the Tea Party’s Koch-a-teels? Their goals seem pretty limited to essentially destroying the U.S. government, making life easier for dirty corporate polluters, and reducing the earnings of our middle class, especially teachers, police officers, firefighters and public workers.

June 9, 2011 at 11:21 a.m.
ITguy said...

Good post Mountainlaurel.

I enjoy reading Harp, but I think he/she is a little too hard on Obama. You have to remember that the country was in the worst recession since the great depression when Obama took office. It is not his policies that caused this mess. The Republicans had one goal and only one goal when Obama took office. That was to make him a one term president. In the cartoon, the guy behind the mask is John Boehner.

The last thing that we need is to give the Republicans more power. They will continue the policy of borrow and spend that was started by their great saint Ronald Reagan.

What we need is some grownups in Washington who will seriously address both the revenue side and the spending side. Unless this happens, we are all in trouble.

June 9, 2011 at 11:38 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "Tea Party’s Koch-a-teels? Their goals seem pretty limited to essentially destroying the U.S. government, making life easier for dirty corporate polluters, and reducing the earnings of our middle class, especially teachers, police officers, firefighters and public workers."

I was with you until you went off on this ridiculous name calling hyperbole in your last paragraph. The left's mischaracterization and demonization of the "Teaparty" is not helpful at all. I think the average American has more in common with the Teaparty than they do establishment Republicans.

June 9, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

no itguy...not hard enough on obama......he came into the white house like a radical jackass intent on 'transforming" us.....the cost be damned....the debt be damned...he has made it 20 times worse.....after bush's second term , in which he spent like a drunk democrat...we needed an adult in the white house, instead we got a drunk marxist who doesnt' have a clue about how this country works, how it became successful or who makes it work.

you libs keep saying the majority of "independents" will still vote for obama.....i say nearly 100% of them will not.....they voted for him based on his '08 campaign person, the moderate who is willing to go to the center.....now they know he's an idealogue who ran to the left as soon as he got in....sorry, he's lost them all.........americans don't like to be duped....

you can forget about the independents..and the blame game....people don't want excuses when they're out of work or underemployed..or about to lose their houses..

nov. 2nd was a backlast by many independents as well...

you libs have a short memory.

June 9, 2011 at 11:57 a.m.
limric said...

For all of the scorn heaped upon Chet123, he is THE ONLY ONE posting here that sees the 900 pound gorilla. Quote: “Where were these dumb butt when they were outsourcing our american jobs over seas?” This is the greatest impediment to our recovery.

Neo-liberalism and free trade have sunk us.
To wit: In 2008, the chant was Jobs, jobs, jobs. What did the Dumocrats focus on? Health care. In 2010 the chant was Jobs, jobs, jobs. The Republicon bait and switch? The deficit.

BRP, They are not clueless.

No one can say we were not warned, and repeatedly, by honorable people. Yet because of our own ignorance we were conned willingly to the debacle. We did and still do turn out to vote for these shysters. Over and over. And worse, they reject as unpatriotic socialists those who did warn them.

A testament of a nation’s greatness is not in its armies, it is in its economy.

The revolution will be televised

June 9, 2011 at 12:22 p.m.
sage1 said...

If you take the words I, me, my, and unprecedented out of Obama's vocabulary, he'd be speechless....

June 9, 2011 at 12:23 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

good points, leslie. they myth that he'll get any of the independents back is a joke. they were duped either by not doing their homework, or his oratory.

i agree there's going to be a revolution, limric.. but it's going to be a revolt against the federal governmnent for standing in the way of job creation and attacking employers.

the epa is about to do a couple of things that will cost the coal industry $180 billion....it will cause electric bills to go through the roof and trigger more unemployment. all for what? global warming. obama promised this would happen in '08 in an interview...now the epa is following through on it....

he's going to follow through on his radical agenda by using government agencies that are under his liberal control ...no matter what....umemployment rate be damned...he doesn't care.....he has no empathy.......if he had empathy he would have the epa back off. he would realize this isn't the time to add to the unemployment rate and damage an industry.

June 9, 2011 at 12:49 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

if things stay as they are, and there's no reason to think otherwise given obama has no intention of changing his ideology or cooperate with the new congress... he can't run on his record in 2012....how can he? what in the hell does he have to brag about? what can he say....vote for me i eat a mean chilli dog!...damn, ain't my wife's upper arms toned!.....don't i look cute eating an ice cream cone on martha's vineyard!.....to think people are going to ignore reality...the terrible plight many people are in since he took over and vote for him anyway is nuts. he can't get by on his speeches in 2012......now it's clear who he is. to think he has it in the bag is crazy.

June 9, 2011 at 12:56 p.m.
hambone said...

Talking about who will or won't vote for Obama is premature when no one knows who will oppose him.

When the field of potential canidates are busy chewing each other up, trying to out evangelical each other.

June 9, 2011 at 1:15 p.m.
tderng said...

I have little hope that this country will not sink into a depression.It for sure will if tax and spend democrats stay in the white house and senate.If they retake the house also no money from investors will see the light of day.Even if conservatives take the white house and senate,and keep control of the house we are probably too far gone to avoid a depression.Its gonna be a tough decade or more before we recover,if ever.No politician seems to have the testicular fortitude to make the tough decisions that can save our economy.Its all about blame and re-election,not repair.

June 9, 2011 at 1:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntl,

Read the post. I have repeatedly said the republicans are not offering an alternative that will do any better than the idiot in office which also gives him an advantage. There is no independent that can win regardless of their qualifications and ability. I repeat, I will most likely not vote since the results with either of the unethical lying asses will be similar.

Read the 9:34 a.m. post and if you think floppaBama can stop that freight train by all means vote for him, send him money and get involved in his campaign. Tell me how he will or can do that and I may join you in all all out effort to get him elected. Unless there is a miracle in the making the arrival time of the crash will be about the same regardless of who is in office or who is in control of the house and senate.

I have never said the debt situation didn't start with Bush and a democratic congress, it has continued with Obama and a republican congress. In fact the debt train left the station with Jimmy Carter and hasn't looked back including with Clinton who is falsely credited with balancing the budget due to some accounting changes. It has grown exponentially under Bush and Obama.

Obama promised to cut the debt in half during his first term, he promised to get unemployment under 8%, He promised to close gitmo and to end two wars. He had a democratic house and senate and delivered none of these. The democratic congress didn't pass a budget before the elections which they were supposed to do. I find it hard to fall for that line again. I am sure you can forgive and forget or blame poor parenting or something but I am not as forgiving. When "Chucky" got elected to congress by the 3rd district my confidence in voters ability to evaluate candidates was shattered.

This appears to include you; it is not an over simplification; The wrestler recession may win the wrestling match but Obama will be reelected even if unemployment remains at 9% or worse. Gas can go over $5 a gallon, he will still be elected. The American electorate's ignorance of economics and understanding of the economy is evident. It is a simple process of adding up who will vote how, no polls needed:

June 9, 2011 at 1:17 p.m.
rolando said...

LibDem said, "I'm puzzled that some people expect that a political commentator, on either the right or the left, will be 'fair and balanced'."

It isn't so much Clay's liberal slant...we all know about that. The problem comes in when he [Clay] has the bully pulpit in a news media. There is no "other side of the story" cartoon-wise with the TFP. If I want liberal cartoons, I will go to a liberal website. Same thing with conservative.

But this is my hometown newspaper; it very name indicates it has two sides. It combined the Times with the Free Press; it has both a liberal editorial page [on the left] and a conservative one on the right.

Personally, I would like to see a conservative cartoon such as Mallard Fillmore right alongside Clay's daily effort.

But, of course, that would cut the "discussion" short, wouldn't it?

June 9, 2011 at 1:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

hambone said... "Talking about who will or won't vote for Obama is premature when no one knows who will oppose him."

I keep hearing about a pole that says 47% of people expected to vote will not vote for Obama under any circumstances. I'd vote for damn near anyone before I voted for Obama! On his current path that 47% number will only grow. Do the math.

June 9, 2011 at 1:32 p.m.
CivilMidget said...

I'm likin' Obama looking like a younger, black Nixon.

June 9, 2011 at 1:54 p.m.

I am offended by this cartoon. I believe it is overtly racist with the recession being represented by a white character. Since there is a new law against offensive posts like this, it should be removed and the author should be charged.

June 9, 2011 at 1:56 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: Read the 9:34 a.m. post and if you think floppaBama can stop that freight train by all means vote for him, send him money and get involved in his campaign.

But you can’t resolve a problem until you identify its cause, Harp3339. And your 9:34 PM does not really identify what caused our problems or what is actually preventing us from resolving these problems. Indeed, you state that Obama, the Democrats and the Republicans are responsible, but you don’t specifically identify what it is that they are doing wrong, which is essentially a cop-out and non-productive from my perspective.

June 9, 2011 at 2:07 p.m.
hambone said...

BuRP, I can see the GOP coming up with a canidate so radical that no one will vote for him/her.

June 9, 2011 at 2:10 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

whoever he runs against, he'll have to run on his record and the dem party performance over the last few years....and it's not good. if you libs think he can get by on his good looks and oratory..sorry. ..aint going to happen......too much suffering going on out there.....he's going to run as if he hasn't been the president. good luck with all that.

the democrat party can't call the republican party the culture of corruption thanks to weiner's weiner...and edwards..and that congressman in n.y. who fondled and pursued his male staff..

obama can't claim he has reduced the debt.....he's piled on faster and higher than anyone before.. and stupidly..

he can't claim we're better off than we were 4 years ago......

he can't claim that he's reduced unemployment..it's outrageous

he can't run againt the "evil" bush/cheney

he can't claim to be the anti-war president...since we're still in afghanistan and iraq..and now in libya..and involved in yemen......(he's lost the anti-war vote...he's not looked at any different now than the a republican)

he can 't claim he reduced taxes..

he can't claim the cost of living is lower..

he can't claim the price of gas is lower..

and so much more....

he'll have to lie..and finger point...and blame others even though he's been in charge...

it might get ugly.

he thinks he's so clever that he can talk his way out of it....

no way.....the misery index is huge...just huge.....and it wasn't as bad under bush...

i can just see him a debate whining about how he got a raw deal.......big baby...

June 9, 2011 at 2:11 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "The left's mischaracterization and demonization of the "Teaparty" is not helpful at all. I think the average American has more in common with the Teaparty than they do establishment Republicans."

The only possible common factor that I see is the dissatisfaction with the way some things have been going in America, BigRidgePatriot. The problem that I - along many others – have with your Tea Party is that you are funded by special interest groups like the Koch Brothers who don’t want to clean up their environmental messes, who don’t want financial regulations of any kind in the U.S., and who have declared war on middle-class Americans. These people will not be satisfied until we are all making slave labor wages.

June 9, 2011 at 2:12 p.m.
BobMKE said...

ML,

Do you take the bumper sticks off of your car and then hang them on the wall by your computer to help you write your posts?

June 9, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.

Mntlaurel, Put the cool-aid down and back away. The tea party is more grass-roots than any organization rich progressives have funded. Just because your side does it that way, doesn't mean normal, sane people do it that way. Most of the tea parties are organized and run by normal citizens concerned about the socialist and communist forces that are steadily eroding our rights.

I don't feel like the Koch brothers are at war with me at all. I feel like the U.S. government is at war with me on behalf of foreign special interests. I am sure everyone not on welfare or out of their mind with progressivism feels exactly the same way.

June 9, 2011 at 2:28 p.m.

Heck, I bet people in all 58 states feel that way.

June 9, 2011 at 2:29 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

always with the koch brothers...like anyone give a rats ass or even knows who they are.... what about soros, then?.... who cares about any of that when you're hurting...you libs don't seem to grasp the enormous amount of unemployed and underemployed people in this country.....combined it could be 40% of this country or more.....when college graduates this spring and next spring aren't going to be finding work......they're not going to be obama fans..

can a liberal on here give one compelling reason to vote FOR obama...based on his record? lofty oratory and some phony last minute attempt to seem like a centrist won't fly

republican is not a bad word these days.....nov. 2nd proved that.

even the liberal media will have a hard time selling him again

June 9, 2011 at 2:31 p.m.
hambone said...

The latest polls I've seen has Romney running second to "none of the above"

June 9, 2011 at 2:33 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "(Teaparties) are funded by special interest groups like the Koch Brothers who don’t want to clean up their environmental messes"

I know the Chattanooga TeaParty is not funded by special interest groups. Are you confusing some common positions with funding? You will have a hard time finding any TeaParty member that does not want a clean environment. You again misrepresent the TeaParty.

"who don’t want financial regulations of any kind in the U.S."

This is ridiculous! Every TeaParty member I know is concerned with PROPER regulation of the financial sector. Personally, I think any bank that is too big to fail should be busted up into banks of a size that can fail without having a national impact. The government is less responsible financially than the Financial Industry and needs to be brought under control. NO, ZERO, NADA private company would operate without a budget for two plus years and print money to pay debt.

"and who have declared war on middle-class Americans"

This shows a complete lack of understanding. The vast majority of TeaParty members are the in middle class.

"These people will not be satisfied until we are all making slave labor wages"

Do you realize how silly you sound when you make stupid statements like that? Straight out of the progressive propaganda handbook! You expose yourself as a thoughtless ideologue!

June 9, 2011 at 2:35 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

flyingPurple, when did we add a state? ha ha ha

June 9, 2011 at 2:42 p.m.
LibDem said...

Rolando, The TFP has a 'right side' cartoon each day.

June 9, 2011 at 2:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "The recession should be wearing a Yale cheerleader's sweater"

A petite cheerleader would no doubt would be a fair match for Obama.

June 9, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

LibDem said... "The TFP has a 'right side' cartoon each day"

Why do the lefties keep pointing this out? We all know that the print version is different than the on-line version and the balance shown in cartoons in the print version does not exist in the on-line version.

June 9, 2011 at 2:53 p.m.

Nurseforjustice, Obama added them when campaigning for the office of POTUS. He claimed he had visited 57 states so far with just one to go.

I remembered my cypherin' lessons from school and concluded there were 58 in all.

June 9, 2011 at 2:53 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

I personally think the mask man looks like a chinese.

June 9, 2011 at 2:54 p.m.

I have never seen someone of chinese ancestry with reddish skin like that. The ones I have seen always had a beautiful tan tone. Definitley more of an irish look to that skin tone.

June 9, 2011 at 2:59 p.m.
LibDem said...

BRP, Isn't that a syndication issue? Mr. Bennett is in house. (I'm no expert.)

June 9, 2011 at 3:15 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

You are probably correct, but that would be a matter of priorities. Having balance on the on-line editorial page clearly is not a priority for the TFP.

June 9, 2011 at 3:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Maybe I should have said, "has not been a priority". I see a shift in Clay's work lately. Maybe someone had a talk with him.

June 9, 2011 at 3:23 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "Chattanooga TeaParty is not funded by special interest groups. Are you confusing some common positions with funding? . . . You again misrepresent the TeaParty. . . Straight out of the progressive propaganda handbook! You expose yourself as a thoughtless ideologue!"

Nice try, BigRidgePatriot. Indeed, if the local Chattanooga Tea Party is not receiving special interest money, I believe you are still savvy enough to know that many of your Tea Party colleagues do receive special interest money since large segments of the Tea Party’s money trail leads to a bunch of oil billionaires like the Koch Brothers . . . and these guys are up to no good. In fact, the Kochs along with their tea party organization Americans for Prosperity were in the news once again just a few days ago:

“Residents in a Detroit neighborhood received a scare this week when they found what appeared to be eviction notices on their doors. The flyers, however, turned out to be political pamphlets in opposition to the construction of a controversial new bridge.

The fake eviction notices were posted by a local chapter of Americans for Prosperity, the conservative political advocacy group backed by Charles and David Koch, the billionaire brothers who run Koch Industries and are longtime libertarians. Local political leaders and columnists are condemning the group for scaring residents -- whose homes sit in the epicenter of the nation's foreclosure crisis -- while refusing to disclose which of its corporate backers are funding the flyers.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20070076-503544.html

June 9, 2011 at 3:24 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

sorry, mountainlaurel.....the koch brothers, no matter how many times you bring it up, will never be seen as evil or become a factor for anyone in the 2012 presidential election because the dem- ocrat party is neck high in corruption......what they will know about are things like pelosi getting waivers for high end resturaunts and nightclubs in her district....and many others as well around the country........you libs have people like soros...who is a legtimate enemy of this country and has dumped millions in here to influence elections.....so stop acting as if the democrat party is as pure as the newly fallen snow........this dem party good-republican party bad things doesn't work, so stop wasting your time. maybe you should find a way to distract people from the fact that going forward until election time the democrat party will be known as the weiner party.

weiner will stick in peoples' minds come election time...not the koch brothers.

June 9, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Wow mountainlaurel! The kind of things you have to go through to get the American Idol crowd to read a piece of paper! Due to the strategic selection of font sizes on that page someone is clearly guilty of an evil criminal act. It would not surprise me if Detroit does not burn to the ground due to riots as a consequence of this atrocity! Do you think that this is some kind of proof that TeaParty's are a branch of the Koch family empire?

One things for sure, you are good for more chuckles than Clay!

June 9, 2011 at 4:05 p.m.
tderng said...

mountaunlaurel...your righteous indignation doesn't wash.Where was your righteous indignation when democrats scared the heck out grandma's with their lies about Ryans budget plan? So I guess its o.k. for the dems to outright lie but if conservatives put out a truthful poster with an eye-grabbing,you need to read me headline its not o.k.

June 9, 2011 at 4:13 p.m.
LibDem said...

BRP, "I see a shift in Clay's work lately. Maybe someone had a talk with him." You know an ambivalent cartoonist would take all the fun out of jousting. Thanks for the exchange.

June 9, 2011 at 4:34 p.m.
hambone said...

FrancisTrollMonkey, I am sure that most people are smart enough to realize that Weiner's behavior and that of any other fool like him, (democrat or republican) is due to the failings of the man and has nothing to do with any political party.

The same can be said for your childish ranting.

June 9, 2011 at 4:36 p.m.
tderng said...

hambone said... I am sure that most people are smart enough to realize that Weiner's behavior and that of any other fool like him, (democrat or republican) is due to the failings of the man and has nothing to do with any political party.

true,but it seems that the dems are slow if at all to condemn his actions to the point of calling for his resignation.Were it a repub he would have been asked to resign right after his admission.Personally I hope he doesn't resign because he can be helpful to the republican race in 2012.He can be pointed to and say "see they don't even care if they have morally corrupt,targets for bribery or worse".

June 9, 2011 at 5:05 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

tderng said... "I guess its o.k. for the dems to outright lie but if conservatives put out a truthful poster with an eye-grabbing (title)... its not o.k."

Boy, have you got that right!

June 9, 2011 at 5:07 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

tderng said... "Personally I hope he doesn't resign"

He is toast. Even Pelosi has abandoned him. If that corrupt old hag can see he is a liability he is gone.

June 9, 2011 at 5:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntl,

you can bet your farm many in key positions in D.C. know what and why there is a train behind that light at the end of the tunnel. But, it is nearly impossible to address it and get reelected. You just proved my point perfectly. You don't know the extent of the problem and haven't a clue what caused it. I wonder if you realize the implications of the 9:38 facts posted The fact you and many others don't know what caused the problem and don't realize the political pain it will take to address it is frightening. In spite of your state of denial of an economic fact; Bush's tax cuts were an error that appeared to help short term. Not retaining jobs that could have remained good paying American jobs numbering several hundred thousand has been a problem starting with NAFTA. Neither Clinton, Bush nor Obama, as he promised, has addressed the poorly drafted agreements. Borrowing short term has hastened the day of reckoning to within four years. They keep putting their head in the sand on medicare and medicaid with a major difference in outflow versus revenue. They lump it in with social security which is totally misleading. They are separate issues and should be addressed separately. Taxes have to be increased on more than the wealthy to pay for medicare/medicaid. The tax system favoring some businesses over others with some paying essentially nothing must be corrected and be predictable. Too many are too compromised by special interest to do this.

The reason the results are inevitable is they are out of bullets. Fed interest rates are essentially zero so they can't further reduce them. They have had the printing presses wide open for months and that hasn't helped very much and is scheduled to end June 30th. Congress cannot agree on a budget which both increases taxes and reduces spending. Thus far they haven't listened to their own advisers about how to stimulate growth and create jobs. Unemployment has to reach 5% or less and three stupid wars have to end. Who will buy those treasury bonds when they come due and have to be rolled over plus additional bonds required to cover the budget deficit? Who do you think will be the buyer? We have been buying our own with the printed money, China says they don't want any more, they need to diversify their sovereign wealth fund which countries with a surplus have you know.

I truly hope I am wrong as you think I am or at least that you also hope I am. The current administration has proven they can't handle it. I can promise you Palin, Trump or any other known candidate can't deal with it with the current house and senate line up with being elected as their priority.

June 9, 2011 at 5:09 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

harp,

We all hope you are wrong, but the wise are hoarding in preparation.

June 9, 2011 at 5:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntl,

Do you have a list of those terrible businesses you would like to see cease operating or something punitive done to them for their bad behavior? Why has the King not issued regulations to put a stop to it even if it cost thousands their jobs.

I went to a tea party meeting to see what they were about. I also attended a democratic and republican leadership meeting. The local tea party does not receive funds from any national source. In fact they were chipping in and selling tee shirts etc. to fund their activities. I didn't see any higher percentage of kooks there than at the other two, maybe not as many. You may want to check things out before buying the media line.

So what if Soros, Kock, Buffet, Gates and others fund special interest and lobbyist. Do you not trust your elected elite to do the right thing regardless?

June 9, 2011 at 5:21 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Thanks, Clay.

Our President killed the economy, killed the national credit rating, and killed Osama. Three great 'feets.' (alprova, have you paid SeaMonkey yet?) If our man inherited the worst economy since the great depression, what'd he do to it? Made it worse. Behind recession's mask is a Hawaiian face. Some economic study said without President Obama's stimulus, joblessness would've topped out at 8.8% instead of going over 9 and staying up. (Mentioned at National Review online yesterday, I think.)

The failings of this Weiner guy, who thinks he's a Hawt Dawg, are personal, but what SeaMonkey writes is political? Aw, the 2nd is personal also--no one else here writes much in his style. But lots of losers act like Weiner.

June 9, 2011 at 7:21 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot, Tderng, and SeaMonkey:

My goodness! I didn’t realize we had so many touchy Koch fanboys on this site.

No, BigRidgePatriot, I shared the “fraudulent eviction” article involving the Koch brothers simply to show you how low the dirty duo will go. . . but you don’t seem to care.

And Tderng, the proposed Ryan subsidy for Medicare does not in any way guarantee seniors sufficient healthcare coverage. Common sense should tell you that once the Ryan “subsidy” has been spent, the seniors will be on their own.

As for Weiner, SeaMonkey, I think the voters in his district should decide his fate. Don’t you? Afterall, he is their elected representative not yours and not mine.

June 9, 2011 at 7:22 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “You don't know the extent of the problem and haven't a clue what caused it. I wonder if you realize the implications of the 9:38 facts posted.”

Since you’ve said nothing about the loss of jobs in the U.S., the need to eliminate the Bush Tax cuts for our nation’s billionaires, our costly wars in the middle east, rapidly rising health care costs in the U.S., the high level of corruption in our financial sector, and the 8 trillion dollar housing bubble that has been a major contributing factor in wrecking our economy, I believe I understand the causes and extent of the problem we face as much as you do, Harp3339.

June 9, 2011 at 7:26 p.m.
Clara said...

POO...testing!

Hooray! I'm back on.

Harp! I haven't been able to read much of the comments on this cartoon, (and those for a for a few months previous to this one). except for your reply to mtnl a few comments back.

I trust that reply is sarcastic, too.

June 9, 2011 at 7:35 p.m.
tderng said...
<p>mountainlaurel...politifact.com rated the statement that Ryans plan would end medicare as false and "over the top", http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/25/agenda-project/throw-granny-cliff-asks-what-country-would-be-with/

as well as Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's statement that his plan would allow insurance companies to deny you coverage and drop you for a pre-existing condition...false also as a matter of fact it specifically prohibits it.More liberal scare tactics are,I'm sure, are on the way.

June 9, 2011 at 7:47 p.m.
rolando said...

OK. That did it. Clay, you have knowingly allowed a picture to be posted on the Internet that "causes emotional distress" in me. That is now a crime in Tennessee.

See http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/tenn-law-bans-posting-images-that-cause-emotional-distress.ars

"A new Tennessee law makes it a crime to "transmit or display an image" online that is likely to "frighten, intimidate or cause emotional distress" to someone who sees it. Violations can get you almost a year in jail time or up to $2500 in fines."

Just kidding, of course, Clay. But I think it makes my point of just how far we have gone down the road toward eliminating the Right to Free Speech.

Time to clean and oil the various goodies scattered around the house/garage/car/truck/Harley...

Like the man said to the Texas Ranger when pulled over -- I have a carry permit and a .357 holstered on my hip, a .22 Mag in my boot, and a .45 in the glove box. When asked if he had anything else, he answered -- yes, a Mossberg 500 12-ga and an AR-15 locked in the truckbox. When asked what he was afraid of with all that armament, he answered -- not a durn thing.

Nor am I...except my government...which is not a good thing.

June 9, 2011 at 8 p.m.
rolando said...

I was not kidding about the law, by the way. The governor has signed it. I was joking about being "emotionally distressed" by Clay's cartoon.

June 9, 2011 at 8:23 p.m.
rolando said...

As to a balanced cartoon every so often, this one has certainly not stopped discussion. The one on cave drawings outdrew the Palin thing by a long shot. Both sides need stirred up defending their man/woman.

June 9, 2011 at 8:26 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntl,

Obviously not. But I give up. You are hopeless. Barney Franks was an advocate of low cost high risk loans. He influenced Fanny May and Freddie Mac to pursue that route and the banks followed. I have referred to all those and in fact pointed out in the post you extracted from that the Bush tax cuts were a mistake. Where we disagree is that they should have expired in total not just for higher incomes.

You like to bash businesses without realizing who employees people that create wealth and actually pay your salary. You blame them and defend politicians who also bash them on the media but fail to properly and realistically regulate. Government intervention contributes as much to increasing health care cost as any other source.

Remember these post in 2014, maybe sooner, when it will become obvious to the entire country that we have been had by many with the credibility of Wiener who is currently the best example in congress of what we have elected. There are many just like him for various reasons.

June 9, 2011 at 8:49 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

mntl....i couldn't care less about the koch brothers.....you keep bringing them up as if they're the devil.....sorry, but no one could be more destructive to this country than obama has...if the koch brothers were leftists and pumping money into the democrat party you'd be silent about it.

June 9, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “You like to bash businesses without realizing who employees people that create wealth and actually pay your salary. You blame them and defend politicians who also bash them on the media but fail to properly and realistically regulate.”

No, Harp3339. The only businesses that I’ve bashed are the excessively greedy kind that don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes, don’t want to clean up their deadly environmental messes, don’t want the middle class to benefit from reasonable wages, don’t want any kind of financial and environmental regulations, and don’t want to be held accountable for breaking our laws.

As for the Bush Tax Cuts, I believe it’s important that Obama eliminate them, particularly for Americans who are earning more than million dollars a year and there are many other Americans who agree including wealthy ones:

"A group of wealthy Americans that calls itself the Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength has sent a letter to President Obama and Congress asking them to raise their taxes and the taxes of the 370,000 other Americans who earn more than $1 million a year.

In a video the group released Tuesday, members say they "shouldn't be wallowing in ... riches while everybody else is suffering." They say the tax cuts President Bush signed into law 10 years ago were a mistake that needs to be fixed.

"My country — our country — means more than my money," members say in the video.

Dennis Mehiel, chairman of cardboard-box company U.S. Corrugated, is one of the 200 millionaires who signed the letter. He tells Tell Me More host Michel Martin that increasing the marginal tax rate on high earners is absolutely essential to balancing America's fiscal policies.

"You've got to go where the money is," he says.

Mehiel disagrees with House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and other Republicans who insist that the only way to reduce the budget deficit is to cut spending.

"What they're really saying is that the sacrifices that need to be made to move toward more balance in our fiscal policies ... have to be made by the people who essentially have the least," he says.”

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/08/137057970/patriotic-millionaires-ask-obama-congress-to-raise-their-taxes?ft=1&f=1001

June 9, 2011 at 10:32 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

here's a prediction...bennett will do a cartoon about the soon to be released emails from palin's time as governor.

the wasington post has asked it's readers to help them analyize the emails....

look at the scrutiny this women is under compared to the free ride obama has gotten. she doesn't even hold an office and probably won't even run for president and they want to go over every email sentence by sentence.

you liberals are obsessed with her and obsessed with destroying her.

you fear her because she can beat obama.

if she's so stupid and insignificant then why are you all spending so much time on her.

it's almost like stalking......you want to hurt her....

now i want her to run...i want to see how far you libs will go in your attempt to ruin her.

i think you have a mental illness.

June 9, 2011 at 10:34 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Clara,

Where have you been? You've been missed.

June 9, 2011 at 10:36 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

mntl....you're simply a marxist.....trying to come across as reasonable......the way you and the other leftist's post you might as well be reading directly from Karl marx's writings....unbelieveable.

at the core you're all envious, jealous and control freaks.....you want to know what everyone has and what they do....pure class envy

you love obama because he wants to "transform" us ...i'd rather blow my brains out than live in you leftist's utopia....what a bland, predictable, unimaginative, dull, styfling and cold place that would be......and of course we'd all be wearing matching pants suits......

June 9, 2011 at 10:44 p.m.
rick1 said...

SeaMonkey, you hit the nail on the head with your above post. Here is an article that you might find interesting.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44040

June 9, 2011 at 10:53 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Ha! SeaMonkey, the protector of women! Hey, if you want to see mental illness, take a good look around at one of those Herman Cain rallies you go to. Fifty lost souls trying to figure out whether to campaign for the candidate or shoot him. Just angry as hell and needing to leave a mark on something. Your bizarre, constant berating of Obama is normal, but every left-of-center citizen who sees through that tart from Wasilla has a mental illness? Communicating with you is like riding through stop signs with Laura Bush at the wheel.

June 9, 2011 at 10:58 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

SeaMonkey said... "mntl....you're simply a marxist.....trying to come across as reasonable"

I am not sure she knows she is a Marxist. I think she thinks her positions are reasonable, not extreme, quite normal.

June 9, 2011 at 11:15 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...
June 9, 2011 at 11:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Now the Democratic Governor of NY is going after public worker pensions? Oh the humanity! How will they survive?

If stuff like this continues, how will the Democrats be able to paint (the necessary) budget cutting measures as a uniquely Republican plot against society?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/elisabethmeinecke/2011/06/08/even_new_york_goes_after_public_pensions

June 9, 2011 at 11:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

When the economy is struggling, why can't we wait for cleaner power sources to come on-line before we force existing powerplants to shut down and cause rates to increase 10 to 35%?

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/165651-aep-epa-regs-will-cost-billions-and-result-in-five-closed-plants

June 9, 2011 at 11:59 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntl,

I agree those wealthy and over paid management types should pay more but not businesses that pay the taxes they owe. I think congress has shown favor to some businesses with thousands of pages of tax codes over 4 ft high which is ridiculous.

Do you realize you can take every penny those wealthy folks have and not make a dent in the deficit. I understand you wanting someone other than you paying taxes but that won't be enough. We will all have to chip in plus congress stop the stupid spending. your fav has slipped in a few fees and taxes in the health care bill plus ignored oil prices which is a terrible tax on those with lower incomes. It is possible to drill safely and protect the environment and utilize our own resources not to mention create thousands of good paying jobs. The pres is too busy running around the country bragging about how he saved the auto industry which he didn't do and how he killed Bin Laden when all he did was say OK to the plan. Congress is more worried about the election and Weiner than the economy and jobs. Have you noticed the increase in food while being told there is no inflation and the CPI is in good shape. What they don't say is the CPI number excludes fuel and food. CPI is what triggers an increase for social security recipients, they didn't get an increase but congress got 4%. Don't think for a minute because I don't like your party, and I really don't, I must like the other. Both are bald faced liars that care about one thing, retaining their power and prestige and will lie to and manipulate people to do it.

Companies behaving as you describe should be addressed. Who are they and where are the regulators? What laws are they breaking and why is the AG not after them? The NLRB, The department of labor, EPA, FDA, The energy department and several other expensive federal agencies should be able to correct those deficiencies. Do we need more agencies? Do we need more laws and regulations? What about another Czar or two? I don't know if it is true but it has been said this administration has added more federal employees than at any time in history. I do know the average compensation far exceeds that of non-government employees. My conclusion Obama could not be beaten was sincere. I beleive for the reasons listed he will win in 2012. As stated; I don't give a rip who wins since it will make little or no difference in how D.C. operates.

June 10, 2011 at 1:23 a.m.
fairmon said...

Mntl,

Those 200 benevolent souls in the video can send all they want to in when they pay their taxes. A million each wouldn't even be recognized when compared to the budget and the deficit. It is too bad "my country" is not as important to congress and those like you that advocate continuing to spend like, I started to say a drunken sailor but even they quit spending when they are broke.

It sounds like you would prefer to see profits controlled by regulation rather than competition? Or, would you prefer the government nationalize and manage businesses operating in the U.S.?

June 10, 2011 at 1:38 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Carville and Durbin agree.

Obama does not have a clue on the economy.

It must be getting lonely, being a Obama robot.

June 10, 2011 at 7:51 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 shared: "Do you realize you can take every penny those wealthy folks have and not make a dent in the deficit. I understand you wanting someone other than you paying taxes but that won't be enough."

Thanks, Harp3339, but, perhaps, you need to re-read my post. I didn’t suggest the elimination of the Bush Tax Cuts would resolve all of our problems. I just said the Bush Tax Cuts for the high earners needs to be eliminated – something that you seem to have considerable difficulty saying in a straightforward manner. (Grin)

As for what I believe Washington should be doing, I think they need to pay more attention to average Americans like the ones in this recent Pew survey. Indeed, the average American seems to have a much better understanding of our problems and the direction that our country should be taking than many of these politicians taking up space in D.C., particularly useless flakes like Representatives Ryan and Boehner:

“Far more Americans say that the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has contributed a great deal to the nation’s debt than say that about increased domestic spending or the tax cuts enacted over the past decade.

Six-in-ten (60%) say the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has contributed a great deal to the size of the debt. About four-in-ten (42%) say the same about the condition of the national economy.

By comparison, just 24% say increased spending on domestic programs has contributed greatly to the nation’s debt and even fewer (19%) cite the tax cuts enacted over the past decade. While half or more say spending and the tax cuts contributed at least a fair amount to the debt, 31% say increased domestic spending did little or nothing to increase the debt and 38% say the same about the tax cuts.

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted May 25-30 among 1,509 adults, finds widespread opposition to number of proposals aimed at reducing the deficit and the national debt, including reducing funding for the states for education and roads (73% disapprove) and gradually raising the Social Security retirement age (59%).

However, several deficit-reducing proposals attract majority support, aside from the traditionally popular idea of reducing U.S. assistance to foreign countries (72%) approve of this proposal. Two-thirds (67%) approve of making more of high earners’ income subject to Social Security tax, and nearly as many approve of raising taxes on incomes of over $250,000 (66%), reducing military commitments overseas (65%) and limiting tax deductions for large corporations (62%)"

http://people-press.org/2011/06/07/more-blame-wars-than-domestic-spending-or-tax-cuts-for-nations-debt/

June 10, 2011 at 8 a.m.
BobMKE said...

BRP

Thank you for the 11:24 p.m. video post regarding the "Zombie Protesters" in Madison, WI. On a side note the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel (We call it the Milwaukee Urinal)didn't even have a story about the Zombie Protesters until the next day after the story was the rage of talk shows and national news. The Urinal is such a liberal paper and they really don't care.

June 10, 2011 at 8:34 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

It is entertaining to see you try to school harp for not parroting exactly what you say when you have perfectly valid and important points bouncing off of you like you're Barack Obama's ping pong paddle!

June 10, 2011 at 9:55 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The Dow just fell below 12000.

Obama is probably preparing his next, "Woe is me! It is all Bush's Fault!" speech.

June 10, 2011 at 10:48 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

BigRidgePatriot said... "Those classy WI Union goons at it again."

Isn't it ironic that, after Clay just did a cartoon depicting the GOP as a zombie trying to scare the public, the Union operatives in Wisconsin are dressing up as Zombies and disrupting Special Olympic functions? I guess we no know who the real Zombies are.

Decomposing minds think alike?

June 10, 2011 at 11:04 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: " You're Barack Obama's ping pong paddle!"

Did it ever occur to you the issues I’ve mentioned are important to me and I’ve supported Obama because he is addressing these issues? Isn’t this why you support the Koch brothers’ Tea Party activities - they support your issues?

Speaking of the Tea Party, I just read an article you might find interesting. As a proud member of the Republican Tea Party, I’m sure you’re aware of the Kochs' activities supporting foreclosures on working people’s houses. Anyway, enjoy, BRP:

“WASHINGTON -- In August, Tim Collette's son Aaron will spend 15 days on leave from Iraq. . . The Army told Aaron he could go anywhere he wanted. And of all the places in the world he could visit, Aaron wants to go home.

But Aaron might not have a home to come home to. Collette has been defending his house from foreclosure since 2008. . . Tim said negotiating with his bank, JPMorgan Chase, has been a living nightmare. . . The bank has repeatedly lost Collette's mortgage paperwork and he receives different, often conflicting advice almost every time he communicates with Chase. After months of wrangling, the bank agreed to a "forbearance plan" that cut Tim's payments . . .

. . . In 2010, after making 13 months of payments, an unexpected bill arrived on Collette's doorstep. Chase wanted the $500 a month differential back, plus penalty fees: $9,000 in total. Collette could afford to pay $1,100. But he didn't have $9,000. After thinking he had arranged for at least temporary relief, Chase suddenly demanded that he pay up, or get out. . .

His financial woes don't stem from a tricky, complex mortgage product: He lost his job and received extremely bad advice from his bank. . . "A lot of us going through this foreclosure stuff now, we paid our bills," he said. "We got into our homes because we worked for it, and when the economy goes down we just want a hand . . . We gave the banks a bailout and they just stuffed the money in their pockets." . . In the years since . . . he's been working odd jobs.. . . He said he can afford to stay in his home if Chase will eliminate all of the fees and debts the bank has saddled him with since he began negotiating.

. . . Last week, he traveled to Salem to testify before the state legislature advocating for a homeowner relief bill. He's also been in talks with Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), one of a handful of Washington lawmakers actively promoting foreclosure aid.

"I'm so appreciative that Merkley's office is trying to do something for us," Collette said. "To not get support from the other senators is mind-boggling." "These are their constituents," he added. "You can go to every state in the country and see people struggling with this. Why aren't they supporting their own constituents?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/09/foreclosed-from-iraq-chase-bank_n_874534.html

June 10, 2011 at 11:19 a.m.
chet123 said...

GREAT RESEARCH MOUNTAINLAUREL!...Bigridgepatriot ....keep kissing the boots of rich and greedy....if thats your calling...kiss them well and try not to get knee burns bro... LOL LOL LOL

June 10, 2011 at 11:37 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

If the Koch brothers own bad mortgages that their customers are not paying I would expect them to foreclose and try to recover their losses.

I feel for the soldier but I cannot exempt soldiers from having to pay their mortgages. We do not know enough financial details of the situation to know if we should be outraged or not. You are just trying to use a "special class" of citizen to pull on our heart strings. A typical progressive strategy… use emotion instead of logic.

Until the bad mortgages are flushed out of the system, among other things, we are not going to see a recovery. Plenty of teachers, firemen, policemen, soldiers, plumbers and ditch diggers are going to continue to be hurt by the housing bubble and the irresponsible debt they took on at the encouragement of the retards in Washington.

Deal with it. Your outrage should be directed at the likes of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barney Franks, Chris Dodds, and Franklin Raines. They were supposed to be policing bad financial practices but were instead encouraging them and lying about the problem.

June 10, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

chet123 said... "(insert pointless diatribe here)... LOL LOL LOL"

You have not gotten any smarter yet, have you chet!

You do realize, after being told dozens of times, that your LOL stunt makes you look mentally challenged, don't you?

June 10, 2011 at 12:07 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "I feel for the soldier but I cannot exempt soldiers from having to pay their mortgages. We do not know enough financial details of the situation to know if we should be outraged or not. You are just trying to use a "special class" of citizen to pull on our heart strings. A typical progressive strategy… use emotion instead of logic."

No, I wasn’t trying to pull your emotional heartstrings, BRP. Indeed, if you were on top of these things you would know that U.S. soldiers do have some legal protections, and it’s actually illegal for banks and mortgage lenders to foreclose on the homes of active-duty military currently fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The banks and mortgage companies that do this are not only in violation of the law, but also incompetent. I believe the Chase Bank mentioned in the article had illegally foreclosed on U.S. soldiers about 27 different times. Also, just so you know, BRP, the foreclosure in the article involved the parents of a soldier not the soldier.

June 10, 2011 at 12:30 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "The banks and mortgage companies that do this are not only in violation of the law, but also incompetent"

Banks and mortgage companies are not perfect and do stupid things on occasion. Is that news to you ml?

Is it also news to you that government meddling in the mortgage industry was the root cause of the housing bubble and mortgage meltdown that hurt so many people? Is there any reason in particular that you consistently give your beloved central planners a pass and try to vilify businesses?

Are you capable of a direct answer?

June 10, 2011 at 12:38 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "Banks and mortgage companies are not perfect and do stupid things on occasion. Is that news to you ml? . . . government meddling in the mortgage industry was the root cause of the housing bubble and mortgage meltdown that hurt so many people?"

No, it's not news to me, BigRidgePatriot. As we all know banks and mortgage lenders make a lot of mistakes. Again, I think the J P Morgan Chase lenders mentioned in the article had illegally foreclosed on approximately 27 U.S. soldiers. As for the housing bubble crisis, I think this was mostly due to unethical practices and excessive greed on the part of a lot of people in the industry, but I know that you prefer to blame it on the government.

June 10, 2011 at 12:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntl,

I don't know how to say the Bush tax rates should have expired as scheduled any more clearly than I have. The government is to blame for the housing bubble. Those listed by BRP were up to their ears involved. Clinton used home ownership increases as a metric and pressured congress to help people "achieve the American dream" by providing higher risk loans and Bush continued the practice as though owning a house was every Americans dream. Bush and treasury secretary Snow did try to warn congress that Fanny May and Freddie Mac and banks should be better regulated. Barney Franks was spitting and sputtering like a mad man, Chris Dodd got red faced he was so mad and the black caucus leader played the race card saying they were discriminating. I blame wush Bush for not pursuing it further.

The parents of the soldier are not protected by the law. If someone owes a bank and can't pay then why should the bank not be allowed to foreclose. If you had financed someones purchase of a house or car and they didn't pay would you forgive and forget the loan? Do you have any idea how much regular working people lost in their 401-K, IRA or personal investments when the bank stocks tanked, who will help them recover? I owned some bank stocks with one going bankrupt and the others dropped in value and quit paying dividends. I am not looking or asking anyone to share theirs with me to make up for the loss. For every example like yours there are several of those flipping condos and houses for a quick profit that got caught holding them when the market tanked. I should have saved the tape of a female in California crying it wasn't her fault, she was just trying to make money but now she couldn't pay for two houses plus her own and she was going to be bankrupt. She was insisting the government should help her deal with her debt and the bank shouldn't be allowed to foreclose on "her houses". The government keeps baling people out that don't prepare for the future and take on debt they can't afford. People who receive interest accumulate wealth, those who pay it accumulate debt or very little wealth. How many of those people were forced to take out loans they couldn't afford. The media keeps using ignorance as an excuse for them. I admit we are producing more than our share of economic idiots, then we elect some of them to congress and we finally elected one as president.

The government sets a fine example by just opening another credit card account when theirs gets full they pay interest only on them. Why should people not do likewise and expect government to protect them by borrowing money, printing money or taxing those with money when they get over loaded. Don't come at me with that I don't care about kids, the disabled or elderly, there are programs for them that should and will continue although I don't think the government handles that worth a damn either.

June 10, 2011 at 2:52 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntl,

Yet another reason for you to take pride in your outstanding leader. Boeing has been blocked from building a factory in S.C. because it is a right to work state and Boeing has a plant in Washington, which is not a RTW state. The NLRB says Boeing should expand in Washington instead of building a new facility in S.C. The administrations brilliance is evident when Boeing decides to build in another country instead of S.C. or Washington. That will solve a potential pollution, mistreatment of middle class workers problems and all those other terrible things businesses do. A few thousand S.C. folks can stay unemployed and government dependent. That is almost as brilliant as subsidizing Brazil's oil drilling and promising to buy their oil at market price instead of drilling in America and creating American jobs. No doubt Brazil is a big fan of America, they even expressed concern about our debt. I bet they would vote for bumblebuttbama. I wonder if he thinks Brazil is one of the 56 states he referred to?

I dislike your party almost as much as I dislike the hypocrites on the other side. But, I respect your right to worship as you please although it is at times frightening.

June 10, 2011 at 3:14 p.m.
fairmon said...

BRP,

It appears Chet123 is a teen age girl. It is evident the way things are said and giggling at the most inappropriate times when talking. Anyone not thinking like Chet is automatically not as smart as Chet whose strongest suit is being a parrot and making noise like a tin can full of rocks. Chet may not know the position anyone else holds but the loyalty to Obama is unwavering. Chet probably has no idea everyone of Obama's cabinet has left and had to be replaced except one.

It is not likely anyone talking the way Chet talks to people is a sensitive, charitable, caring individual that is concerned about anyone other than Chet. Chet likes the idea of the government taking from others to support Chet.

June 10, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.
mymy said...
June 10, 2011 at 3:44 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "???"

Actually, I don't care what ml said. She is hopelessly loyal to her big government no matter how poor of a job it does or how many lives it destroys. Her government could ruin millions of lives and she would still want to talk about the 27 here and the dozen over there that were not treated properly by private businesses.

How does a mind get so out of wack?

Thank you harp for bringing a voice of reason. If you go one on one with ml for too long you have to start worrying about the future of the country as you wonder how prevalent her thinking is.

June 10, 2011 at 3:48 p.m.
mymy said...

Another example of Big Government screwing us.
And no one is watching the store to see if your tax dollars are being wasted.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/06/10/taxpayers-pay-retiree-costs-for-federal-contractors/

June 10, 2011 at 4:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

mymy,

Contractors getting government pensions and benefits including an early retirement option!

You got me with that one. Never heard of it, can't imagine the government (tax payers) paying pension, health care etc. for contractors as though they were employed by the government. The obligation to government employees is mind boggling with their liberal pension and retirement benefits. There is no telling how deep this hole is since contractors are not counted as federal employees and is used to avoid the appearance of being over staffed.

Any idea who or what congressional committee has over sight responsibility for this spending of tax payers money? This only confirms that the federal government is so big and cumbersome no human can comprehend or manage it. It is frightening how many people think the government is well run and trustworthy. It is a constant challenge for a for profit company of any size to assure credible behavior and budget control. There is no incentive for government to do so and the size of government makes in almost impossible.

Perhaps Mntl can justify and explain it. You can bet some in congress would say it is a good thing to do and necessary.

June 10, 2011 at 5:02 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

i urge everyone to read paul bedhard's piece in us news.com on june 8th....regarding new coal regulations by the epa/obama......it will kill thousands of jobs and cost the industry $180 billion .....electric bills will go through the roof. all for what...? it's all part of obama's agenda. reality be damned...underemployment and unemployment rates be damned....he will follow through on his leftist march..........if he had any empathy, if he really understood what's about to happen, he wouldn't allow this to happen.....but obama is a cold statist who has no connection with the regular working stiff. this is not the time to kill jobs in these areas that have already been hard hit...........he said he would do this in 2008 when he spoke to the editorial board of the san francisco chronicle.....he said jobs will be lost, he said electric bills will skyrocket...he said it will bankrupt coal plants.......even though he knows the staggering unemployment numbers now he's going to let it happen anyway.......what a cold man.....a cold statist...and enviornmentalist nazi..........we just don't know what's good for us.

people in virginia, w. virginia, kentucky, pa and ohio are going to get hit hard.....

and yes, dude..there's not enough bad things i can say about obama....he is a cold individual who will allow jobs to be lost in order for his visionto be realized...he's for the worst form of abortion...he wants to punish those who don't obey mandates...he backs illegal aliens over citizens.....he feels no need to go to congress when it comes to military action he wants to take.....he's a foul man.....

i would vote for palin over him in a heartbeat...to say if he remains or if someone else gets in on the republican side makes no difference....bull****......this is not a man who feels he works for the people...he doesn't feel the constitution applies to him....he's a dictator.....if not for nov. 2nd 2010..i can't imagine what he would do....god help us

regarding the bush tax rates...hell yes..keep them 100% for everyone......to think we have to give up more just because our government is corrupt beyond words is madness...they need to get their act together......they ..can get rid of subsidies...but the government gets plenty...

June 10, 2011 at 5:13 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

dude.....there's no evidence to me, in the time that obama has been president, to show me that he's intellectually superior to sarah palin, michelle bachman, herman cain, or any other republican candidate.......obama is the intellectual equal of al sharpton, who has visited the white house more than anyone else since obama has been there. and al sharpton is a class a, number 1 ***hole. obama is a pure idealogue...not a problem solver. he's doesn't deal with reality and facts, he simply will denies them because it will stall or stop his leftist vision.

the very best way...the absolute best way to get the economy moving in the right way again is to remove obama from office.....the sooner the better. obama is poison to free enterprise.

he's a boring and dull statist.......so is his wife. ms. ("we can't just leave it up to the parents") obama

dude you seem to like to bring up laura bush, god knows why, but laura bush didn't make it her mission to bully everyone around like a water buffalo , like michelle obama has..

June 10, 2011 at 5:33 p.m.
hambone said...

FrancisTrollMonkey, In the past you have said you came from Chicago. When did you and Obama cross pathes? What did he do to you to make you hate him so? Did he pee in your Post Toasties?

June 10, 2011 at 5:35 p.m.
rick1 said...

SeaMonkey very good post. Also here is Ovomit making the following comment about electricity rates: "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." (January 2008) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGH...

SeaMonkey, BRP and Harp all of you may will find this article from Investor Business Daily very interesting.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=574950&p=1

June 10, 2011 at 5:36 p.m.
Sailorman said...

SeaMonkey

If you liked that, you'll love this:

"The Environmental Protection Agency recently issued 946 pages of new rules requiring that U.S. power plants sharply reduce their (already low) emissions of mercury and other air pollutants. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson claims that while the regulations will cost electricity producers $10.9 billion annually, they will save 17,000 lives and generate up to $140 billion in health benefits.

There is no factual basis for these assertions. To build its case against mercury, the EPA systematically ignored evidence and clinical studies that contradict its regulatory agenda, which is to punish hydrocarbon use."

And it gets worse

http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=3937

They learned their tactics from the IPCC. Idiots.

June 10, 2011 at 5:39 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

hambreath..your post is worthless and moronic...it's not what's he's doing to me, it's what he's doing to this country........to allow the epa, which is nothing more than a tool of the left at this point, especially under obama....to attack an industry for the sole purpose of bankrupting it in order to fullfill a leftist vision is the height of evil, especially at this time. obama knows full well what he's doing and he doesnt care. what makes it so evil and cold is that he said he would do it and he's following through..regardless of how bad off everyone is. he's a bully and a punk.

i'd love to know how obutthead can run on his record. what are his achievements...? taking credit for the hard work of others in the bin laden killing won't cut it.......

rick1 and sailorman...exactly....this is horrific and what are we getting from the liberal news media? a disection of every email palin sent or recieved as governor. ...when it comes to palin you libs are peverts and stalkers........ you're no better than weiner.....you're a bunch of weiners.. standing by her hedges looking in her window with your pants down.......sick obsession.

you see, hambreath..my beef with obama is based on what he's doing in office to damage us... facts, numbes, policies...etc.....but when it comes to palin and you libs....it's pure hate. based on what? you're just character assassins..that's all. you're like flash mobs....the word goes out and you pounce on her.....disgusting. i think you're trying to distract everyone from the weiner man. won't work.

June 10, 2011 at 7:11 p.m.
fairmon said...

Seamonkey,

Do you think since democrats don't use family values, honesty and morals when campaigning do you think they think it is OK to cheat on your wife then lie to the public, congress and the media about it. Do they think it OK to not pay some taxes as long as when you are caught you plead ignorance, blame the software or the accountant. We know they think it is OK for no good reason to kill a kid in the womb but they can't see requiring sterilization to exercise that right to murder. Do you think congress example is why some insist you give some of yours to some of them without their participation in the giving, just the deciding that you should.

In a court of law perjury is a crime and punishable with a fine and jail time. Lying to congress in a hearing is considered perjury. Why is that congress is never punished for lying and in fact often get rewarded? Why has Wieners Weinie not already been roasted to well done? Is the ethics committee so compromised they have to walk on egg shells so the ethics code violater won't tell all.

June 10, 2011 at 8:07 p.m.
rick1 said...

Seamonkey, Veteran Psychiatrist Dr. Lyle Rossiter described what you stated above in his 2008 book entitled "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness

Rossiter stated the kind of liberalism being displayed by Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

"A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do," he says. "A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation's citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do."

Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;

satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;

augmenting primitive feelings of envy;

rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

"The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious."

June 10, 2011 at 8:08 p.m.
fairmon said...

Rick1,

Dr. Rossiter nailed it. The government is an enabler of laziness, lack of ambition, being responsible and accountable. It is both a learned trait and hereditary but not in the tradional sense. Check out the education system most are exposed to as they progress to an adult age. It takes some strong parenting or other influences to over come that exposure.

June 10, 2011 at 8:18 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

harp3339 said... "This only confirms that the federal government is so big and cumbersome no human can comprehend or manage it"

A profound statement! Big government is doomed to fail because it can never, NEVER be big enough or smart enough to ever hope to understand the needs and wants of the complex society we live in today. You would have to have a government bureaucrat standing over the shoulder of every entrepreneur in the country understanding the actions of the business leader and knowing when he was hearing something significant AND THEN, KNOWING WHAT TO DO WITH WHAT HE HEARD, and trust him not to invest his energy in personal gain from his position of power!

What a Joke! How Arrogant! To think that the government can be so competent, focused, and selfless to actually pull that off!

Anyone that thinks you can concentrate that much power in one place and not expect dire consequences are naive beyond comprehension!

June 10, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “The Bush tax rates should have expired.”

OK, Harp, I promise to remember that you said this as long as you do.

Harp3339 said: “The government is to blame for the housing bubble."

If you are saying that individuals in our government like Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan should have been paying attention to the warning signs that a housing bubble was in the making, I agree with you, Harp3339. I also believe our government should have maintained the regulaltions in the Home Owners Equity Protection Act passed by a Democratic Congress in 1994, which would have outlawed some of the predatory and irresponsible lending practices that helped to create the housing bubble.

Harp3339 said: “Bush and treasury secretary Snow did try to warn congress that Fanny May and Freddie Mac and banks should be better regulated. . . Barney Franks was spitting and sputtering like a mad man. . . I blame wush Bush for not pursuing it.” further.”

As I recall, a Republican majority was in charge of both houses during most of the Bush Administration so it is hard for me to understand why Bush and Snow didn’t get the reform you say they wanted. When you say “wush” Bush, Harp3339, are you suggesting Bush was intimidated by his fellow Republicans who were in charge of both houses OR are you suggesting he was intimidated by the spitting and sputterings of Barney Frank? Anyway, wasn’t Barney Frank an author of the regulation reform bill that was finally passed in 2007? I think he was. Yep, I'm pretty darn sure he was an author.

Harp3339 said: “The parents of the soldier are not protected by the law. If someone owes a bank and can't pay then why should the bank not be allowed to foreclose?

As I recall, the article I posted also pointed out that the parents of a soldier are not protected, Harp3339. As to the other issues identified in the article, I think you’ve oversimplified this particular situation. Clearly, there were some crazy, unethical and predatory banking tactics going in regard to this paticular case, which is probably why the owner was providing testimony. Did you follow the link and read the full article?

June 10, 2011 at 9:36 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jesus Christ, you people are a circus of attaboy/groupthink. Congratulating each other on making points about power centralization that would be a more apt description of the fascists you support. "Veteran Psychologist Dr. Lyle Rossiter..." lmao. Inveterate hack would be a better descriptor. He is apparently as good at practicing psychology as Laura Bush is at driving.

June 10, 2011 at 9:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

ml,

Progressives on both sides of the isle own the blame. You try to make it a Democrat vs Republican but they exist on both sides.

June 10, 2011 at 9:47 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "J C, you people are a circus of attaboy/groupthink"

That reminds me. Have any of you had Bahamian style “souse”? I’ve got a big pot going for breakfast tomorrow. The house smells AMAZING! (oh yeah, I wonder if anybody cares what you think, dude)

June 10, 2011 at 9:59 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

ml's hyper active government at work!

http://rtr.org/videos/2/22909

June 10, 2011 at 10:29 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntl,

I think you are mistaken that Bush had a republican congress, he didn't but he sure spent money like a democrat. Franks did write some regulations which apparently weren't adequate. I watched Bush and Snow address congress and witnessed the reaction. I knew immediately I didn't like fairy Franks with his condescending attitude like he knows the answer before the question is asked.

I accept the fact that you will support spending as long as your party can borrow or print a dollar. You prefer regulating and control to an extreme. You desire and will support centralized government in all matters. You think wealth confiscation and redistribution down to the point it affects you is the right thing to do. You think the democratic party is the only solution and must be in office for the good of the country. I won't change and we both probably think the other is hopeless, incorrigible. We both think, for different reasons, the other is greedy. We may for different reasons both be right.

You are sensitive, I am not. I think weenie showing Wiener and others committing similar acts and violating peoples trust should be kicked out on their ass and barred from ever holding political office at any level for life. I wouldn't trust the egotistical s.o.b. as far as I could push an 18 wheeler up a hill. He is like a teenager that thinks saying "my bad" makes it OK.

Thank goodness we aren't married to each other. We can just quit talking and go our separte ways at no cost to either of us. We probably agree that Obama is the flower of the white house, you think he is a rose I think he is a blooming idiot.

June 10, 2011 at 10:35 p.m.
Clara said...

Thanks MtnL!

June 10, 2011 at 10:53 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

ALL WATCHED OVER BY CORPORATIONS OF LOVING GRACE

You knot heads have exceeded your usual level of stupidity tonight.

Anarchy is not a wonderful thing but sleep well tonight and dream of a time when a handful of corporations officially control everything.

Wait: there's the sign post up ahead.

It says, "Welcome to the Corporate Zone."

Tick tock, tick tock.

June 10, 2011 at 10:53 p.m.
tderng said...

whats the matter harp? head getting sore?

June 10, 2011 at 10:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater48 said... "Anarchy is not a wonderful thing but sleep well tonight and dream of a time when a handful of corporations officially control everything"

Government or corporate control is not anarchy. You leftist dorks refuse to recognize that libertarians celebrate the power of the citizen, not those that would enslave us.

June 10, 2011 at 11:13 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK

June 10, 2011 at 11:32 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BigRidgePatriot, you are a bloviating small town pig. You could sit on your porch, in the ill-planned neighborhood you seem so proud to be living in, mumbling to the pine trees and have as much influence on the world as you do on this page. You take yourself and your station in this world waaay too seriously. Sounds to me as if your house probably smells like the Jeffrey Dahmer residence.

To review...self important pig in the pines, with greasy ceilings.

June 10, 2011 at 11:34 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

LIBERTARIANISM 101

Legalize all drugs.

Dismiss Congress.

Shut down judicial system.

Fire cops, teachers, firefighters, or soldiers.

All hail the individual!

All for one and one for me!

June 10, 2011 at 11:45 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

LIBERTARIANISM 102

I got mine.

Screw the rest of you.

June 10, 2011 at 11:55 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

**

Obama leads all potential Republican

challengers by double-digit margins, the poll showed. He is ahead of his closest Republican rival, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, by 13 percentage points -- 51 percent to 38 percent... In the Reuters/Ipsos poll, the other Republican contenders fared even worse than Romney's 13-point gap in a match-up with Obama. Palin trailed Obama by 23 points and former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty was behind by 19 points.**

In trial heats against President Obama, Romney trails 47 - 41 percent, while Huntsman, Pawlenty and Palin trail by 48 - 34 percent, 48 - 36 percent and 53 - 36 percent respectively.

Read More --- >

June 11, 2011 at 1:18 p.m.
fairmon said...

Stanleyyelnats, Obama can't lose. see post at 6/9/11 at 8:18 a.m. These are his sources of votes and he doesn't need the independents to win. Do you see anything wrong with the analysis? The polls seem to support it.

I don't like him and think he is an economic idiot and without realizing it or his supporters recognizing it he is promoting a central planning and control socialist type government. But, I like his potential opponents even less and with the voters shown he will win.

June 11, 2011 at 4:21 p.m.
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