published Thursday, March 10th, 2011

Ron Ramsey

Ron Ramsey
about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

Pot calling the kettle black? For once both sides get their say in one of Mr Bennett's cartoons.

Yesterday 2 of 6 comments were obvious; today zero of 2. The old system could call for tedious scrolling, but was clear.

March 10, 2011 at 6:27 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Mining is one of the most dangerous jobs out there. Ensuring a safe work place for the miners and reasonable wages for the working man are the desires of the union. Seems reasonable doesn't it? Not, it you're King Coal and their minions.

Coal is one of the biggest polluters of the planet. Mountain top removal permanently destroys the habitat, rivers and streams. Burning coal is the largest contributor to global warming. Coal needs more regulation not less. King Coal's solution is to ignore this and buy off politicians rather than make this world a better place or treat their workers fairly. Ramsey is the perfect hack for that.

March 10, 2011 at 6:43 a.m.
Winner said...

Insert paranoid, cliche filled Francis comment here.

March 10, 2011 at 6:58 a.m.
EaTn said...

The state GOP is talking about amending the rules to allow direct corporate donations to candidates in order to balance out the union donations. Does anyone see the picture here? Unions represent the working people, corporations represent big business and their big money. Folks better wake up--- the middle class is getting steamrollered by the GOP because they continue to be gullible enough to watch and read their propaganda, and vote them in.

March 10, 2011 at 7:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

At the current rate of debt expansion legislators will become too expensive for unions. At the current rate of debt increase in 8 years it will be 28 trillion, in 16 years 56 trillion and in just 24 years 112 trillion. Buy the grand kids all the gold and silver you can. It is simple arithmetic using the rule of 72. To see how long it takes to double anything divide 72 by the growth factor.

Can we possibly deplete all those huge coal reserves politicians tell us will last for 100s of years. Look at the current growth of consumption and divide 72 by that factor which is the time it will take to double consumption. EX: 1 billion tons per year consumed with consumption increasing 6% per year=2 billion in 12 years, 4 billion in 24 years, 48 billion in 36 years, 96 billion in 48 years. Those surviving the pollution will see the depletion of coal as an energy source. Do those bought and paid for legislators of both parties have any idea what they are selling? How many truly realize safe, effective renewable sources are essential for future generations? With things doubling exponentially we are on a shorter time line than most people realize.

The fed is printing money to achieve 3% inflation. Many economist are predicting double digit inflation of at least 12% (Carter era rates) which will double consumer cost every 6 years. A loaf of bread now $2 will be $4 in six years and $8 in 12 years. What will the cost of a legislature be? At a steady 3% inflation prices will increase 3.5X in a life time. Today's $4 gas will cost a kid born today $14, assuming it is available, when they reach the current actuarial life span.

The simple arithmetic is accurate. The message is uncomfortable. Educators fail to teach this simple math so it is not understood by many and is mentally blocked by those that do which is how our mind works when something doesn't satisfy our normalcy factor.

March 10, 2011 at 7:43 a.m.
Eddo said...

EaTn: Unions represent unions. The greater the value of the benefits they negotiate, the more union leaders benefit. Unions are a business, operating there own health care business, retirement system, etc. Very little difference except for public unions, where the taxpayer must foot the bill.

March 10, 2011 at 7:43 a.m.
Francis said...

you libs are cliches, all sound the same. parnonia and obsession....not to mention conspiracies.....the perpetual mantra of haliburton, koch industries, bush/cheney........corporations are evil....unless of course they're the corporations that donate generously to the democrat party.

yes, unions are businesses....and can be just as corrupt and greedy as the corportions you libs claim are mostly that way...

unions now are not the unions of a century ago that fought for fairness, working conditions, justice, and to just be treated as human they're dominated by greedy fat asses who believe they're sacred cows who are guaranteed and enititled.

March 10, 2011 at 8:21 a.m.
Winner said...

Thanks for my daily dose, Francis. FYI- I'm not a liberal... I just think you are the complete opposite of intelligent, and I honestly look forward to reading your comments every day.

May your posts be long and error-filled!


March 10, 2011 at 8:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

I wonder why in their campaign contribution reform congress didn't limit the donations of one entity to no more than that given by those with an opposing views? Why are contributions not limited to "X" dollars per registered voter? In my opinion contributions should be limited to no more than $25 from individuals that are verified as eligible to vote and the names listed on a web site for examination by voters.

March 10, 2011 at 9:32 a.m.
woody said...

Earlier, Francis said.."you libs are cliches, all sound the same. parnonia and obsession....not to mention conspiracies.....the perpetual mantra of haliburton, koch industries, bush/cheney........corporations are evil....unless of course they're the corporations that donate generously to the democrat party.

Just so everyone knows, and especially Francis, this isn't about, cliches", "Parnonia",(whatever the heck that is) "conspiracies, haliburton, koch, bush/cheney, corporations or even the democratic party." Ron Ramsey is scary! At first I merely assumed he was the biggest conservative joke to come along since Don Sundquist..but wait..he's not funny. But he is scary!! And, quite unlike the 'speaker du jour' in "the house" I fear that which he could conceivably get away with while leading our state senate. Of course, I could be reading a whole lot more into that "JR. Ewing" smile of his than there might actually be, but know full well, I am a smile afficianado, and his scares me!! As some might say, fore-warned may be fore-armed. What I'm saying is don't take Mr. Ramsey at 'face value'.

Keep smiling..Woody

March 10, 2011 at 9:33 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

So, we all know Democrats are bought and paid for by unions. What does coal got to do with that?

Bennett the Progressive Philosopher opines, “I know you are, but what am I”?

If our cartooner-and-chief gets any less sophisticated his head is going to implode. He’ll be left sporting a hole between his shoulders with a bunch of whiskers sticking out!

March 10, 2011 at 10:18 a.m.
Gideon_Planish said...

"Big Coal" being the Ukrainian industrial giant Metinvest which in 2009 purchased United Coal Company --- from former King Pharmaceuticals, Inc. CEO John Gregory and others --- and located the Metinvest United Coal Company World Sales Office within one mile or so of Lt. Governor Ramsey's Blountville real estate and auction company...the United Coal Company World Sales Office is located even closer to Ramsey's Blountville residence.

Ramsey is pushing the destruction of Tennessee mountain tops so that his deep pockets at Big Coal can more easily extract these domestic U.S. reserves and later export these same fuels overseas.

March 10, 2011 at 10:28 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I have to admit I have not seen the news connecting Ramsey to advocating MTR. Does anyone have any good sources?

Speaking of Unions, how about those Wisconsin Republicans?

March 10, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.
Gideon_Planish said...

BigRidgePatriot said... I have to admit I have not seen the news connecting Ramsey to advocating MTR. Does anyone have any good sources?

You must have really been in a deep coma during the entire years of 2009 and 2010:

Google: "Ron Ramsey" coal

March 10, 2011 at 11:09 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Here is a little background BRP:

Of special note is "No other candidate for governor has benefited as much as Ramsey from contributions from those with an interest in coal mining. We found he received more than three times the amount of all the other candidates combined."

...followed by his attempts to kill the bill banning MTR in Tennessee, which did ultimately fail.

March 10, 2011 at 11:16 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

I'm not advocating MTR here, but suppose the entire nation were to stop burning coal, cold turkey right now. How many people would be without power?

March 10, 2011 at 11:29 a.m.
mtngrl said...

As nasty as coal is, I do not know of anyone suggesting stopping cold turkey Musicman. But if any industry needs regulation it is the coal industry. Between issues with miner safety, plus the environmental concerns with the mining processes and acid rain (which caused the Smokey Mountains to no longer be smokey, and had them listed as having one the worst air pollution ratings in the country), to MTR. Even "clean coal" is not clean because they cannot seem to capture what they filter properly, leading to those ash spills around the region. This is an industry that clearly cannot regulate themselves. They pour money to Ramsey to keep from having rules to follow.

These issues do not even get into the history of coal mining in this area and how it devistated the entire Cumberland area keeping the workers in deep, deep poverty while the company bosses grew rich. Read "Night comes to the Cumberlands" by Harry M. Caudill for an in-depth history of this. This is exactly what unions are for....

March 10, 2011 at 11:46 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Thanks mtngrl,

Like this article, everything I found was about a year old.

It does not surprise me that Ron Ramsey might have said something about the dems being in the pockets of unions, again, we all know that is pretty much true. I am still having a hard time understanding what motivated this cartoon at this time.

What is the current status wrt banning MTR in TN?

March 10, 2011 at 11:56 a.m.
Francis said... with my slopping spelling....i'm sure you can get over it if you really try.

and it is's typical...knee jerk and completely predictable.....a broken record.

there is no insight in bennett's cartoons....only's democrats good-republicans bad, unions saintly-corporations evil, democrat donors rightuous-republican donors corrupt...and so on and so on....wihout end.

he's playing to the lib majority in here...nothing more....

this cartoon is a waste of space..

it's just like bush invading iraq to get rich on if no one would catch on to it....and i'm sure ramsey will destroy the tennessee landscape, get rich and retire to florida and get away with it .. have actual flim flam people, like gore, who actually have become wealthy by causing panic and creating public policy based on lies and fake science......creating an industry based on lies and growing wealthy from that industry

March 10, 2011 at 12:13 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Thanks mtngrl. I had typed out an edit to my previous post which included a quote from an article found at but I must have taken too long typing it up because my original post wasn't edited after clicking the edit post button. I was quoting a section on that page regarding CCS, which you eluded to in your post. Interesting stuff.

March 10, 2011 at 12:17 p.m.
Francis said...

bullying, death threats, verbal abuse, property damage..that's what's going on in wisconsin right now. see what's happened to unions....? just like spoiled children not getting their way..throwing a tantrum. disgusting display.....why don't they protest obama? he's the head of all the federal employees...why aren't they threatening him for more union rights?

you libs cirticize the tea party.......what's going on now in wisconsin is what you accused tea party people of.

and democrats are bought and paid for by unions...there's no disputing that. any denial of that is silly.

March 10, 2011 at 12:35 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

We all know how Ron Ramsey got his tenure – King Coal. And we know also the terms of his bargain – give me the money and I’ll give you Tennessee’s mountaintops.

March 10, 2011 at 12:59 p.m.
limric said...

Francis, Although you generally lack the ability to use critical thinking, come across as somewhat delusional and are a tad un-American, I find myself in the annoying position of having to (to a certain degree) acknowledge the premise of your last two paragraphs regarding coal and Gore. Yes, the Democrats are quite (completely) corrupt, but the results of their corruption usually doesn’t have the deleterious effects of Republican crimes.
Example: There are 16 million children living in poverty right now – and if trends continue – a quarter of all the kids in our nation will be living poverty. There haven’t been numbers this troubling since the Great Depression. And what do Republicans want to do? Cut services to low-income children. Programs in the Republicans crosshairs include the Head Start programs, the Child nutrition assistance program, and an array of other education, healthcare, and support programs for disadvantaged children. So, in a time of unprecedented child poverty – Republicans cut programs aimed at preventing child poverty. Just like last year in a time of historically high unemployment – Republicans wanted to cut off unemployment insurance (remember that?). Just like on the heels of a financial crisis – Republicans wanted to stop Wall Street reform legislation. Just like in response to the environmental catastrophe of the BP oil spill – Republicans wanted to kill alternative energy legislation and keep giving the oil industry $3 billion a year in corporate welfare. And finally – just like at a time of record high budget deficits – Republican lapdogs wanted to give their millionaires and billionaire buddies a tax cut that could have paid for all the services I just described. By aligning yourself with the right wing, you have made a Faustian bargain with the rich and you don't know how to get out of it. Sorry, but it’s true.

March 10, 2011 at 1:28 p.m.
mtngrl said...

BRP, I believe what motivated this cartoon is the quote Bennett shows coming out of Ramsey's mouth. It is his union quotes that are more recent, the coal reference is simply a good illustration of Ramsey's hypocrisy. Here is a recent link which includes the exact quote in the cartoon:

"What is the current status wrt banning MTR in TN?"

The Tennessee Senate voted down the bill to ban MTR, so it is currently allowed. (

And thanks Mountainman. It is the S in CCS that caused the ash spills around the region. The storage is unregulated so the ash was stored in unlined ponds.

March 10, 2011 at 1:41 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Related story in yesterday's TFP:

click here ->

March 10, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...


Thanks, if it was not for your contributions today I don't think I would have found anything of value here.

March 10, 2011 at 2:33 p.m.
Francis said...

limric...."faustian bargain"..."tad unamerican".."lack the ability to use critical thinking".....i'll let that stand on its own........

the results of republican crimes are worse than democratic crimes.. i don't think so....liberal thought and policy has reached into every aspect of our society like a cancer...whether it's completely taken over the democrat party or has watered down the republican is the problem

unions, as in they are in their current state, are a tad seems to me that the new mo for the democrat party is to react with violence instead of respecting election results and the legislative process......

if the tea party had acted as the unions and the democrat party are now acting, you libs would've had a party...and don't say the tea party acted like the unions are now..because they didn't.. no death threats......imagine if the white house and capitol were stormed by republicans because they didn't like the 2008 election results........demonstrations are not the same as what's going on now..

i see you have thompson as your pic, limric...

says a lot

March 10, 2011 at 2:45 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Francis, you've been watching Fox news again:

"Fox News Lies About Violent Protests in Wisconsin"

and remember... Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.

March 10, 2011 at 2:51 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Why can't we just setup scholarships for students? I'm so sick and tired of anything that even loosely references racism in this country. You don't see that in any other country, probably because we invented the term. Aren't we all Americans? Why can I not mark "American" as my race or ethnicity on official forms? How do we get past racism if we keep bringing it up every chance we get?

March 10, 2011 at 3:49 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Woody said: “Ron Ramsey is scary . . . As some might say, fore-warned may be fore-armed. What I'm saying is don't take Mr. Ramsey at 'face value'.

I agree with what you say for several reasons, Woody. Remember last March when as a Republican gubernatorial candidate, Ramsey claimed: "The so-called 'mountain-top' removal techniques used in other states have not been used in Tennessee. This is a straw-man argument pushed by those who want to drive up your monthly energy bill by ending all oil and coal exploration permanently in the service of radical environmentalism."

Needless to say, as TFP’s “Ron Ramsey’s Mine Canary” pointed out at the time, the lieutenant government was wrong on all counts:

“If Mr. Ramsey, the state Senate majority leader and lieutenant government, really believes what he says, he must have missed the testimony last week before his senate's Environment Committee. The research biologist who spoke to that committee, Dr. Dennis Lemly, said that dangerous levels of toxic chemicals released by mountain-top mining practices "are just like ticking time bombs waiting to explode" and "have pretty much exploded" at the four sites in Tennessee now subject to mountain-top removal mining.

"The question is how many more will be allowed to," he said.

Shocking scientific verdict. . .

He said pollution of selenium and other heavy metals at the Zeb Mountain (mountain-top) mine in Campbell County "is substantial and it's not going to stop." Speaking later before the House Environment Committee, he said research shows "increased incidence of cancers, of kidney disease, of respiratory disease and even deformities in young children and infants that are associated with increases in mountain-top miming. That's related to the entire suite of contaminants, not just selenium."

If Mr. Ramsey is not aware of the mountain-top removal mining that is presently occurring Tennessee, and that has been subject to debate over a ban on the practice for three years, he is incompetent to be governor. If he is aware and still spouts baseless propaganda, it would be folly to vote for him. He likely would continue to allow needlessly rapacious destruction of our mountains.”


March 10, 2011 at 4:10 p.m.
bpqd said...

We need to marginalize coal consumption to below 20% of our state's energy needs. That includes any coal fired plants which, in any way, have their energy exported from our state to another entity.

Perhaps we can maintain a small, token facility for historic research at Oak Ridge. Schoolchildren can use it once a semester to see what the 19th Century solution to 21st Century problems looked like, before mature and rational energy policies were put into place. Other than that, we don't need another trash dump that poisons water. We can do better. We will.

Let's start be reducing and eliminating fossil fuel supporting politicians.

Reduce, marginalize and eliminate Tennessee's fossil fuel dependency. It's what we want, and it's the right thing to do.

Eliminate their supporting politicians as part of the removal of antiquated and ineffective, heavy-polluting technologies. Goodbye, Big Oil and Big Coal politicians. We don't need you.

Adios, Republicanos.

March 10, 2011 at 5:08 p.m.
Sailorman said...

"before mature and rational energy policies were put into place."

And that will be - when?

March 10, 2011 at 5:52 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

If they would just build the nuclear plants, Big Coal would not have the power that they have now. Unless they invest in the nuclear plants. Oops, didn't mean to give BC any ideas.

March 10, 2011 at 7:35 p.m.
dude_abides said...

limric...Faustian, yes, but also Stockholm Syndromesque. Maybe they dropped some Ayn Rand blotter and never stopped peaking.

March 10, 2011 at 8:06 p.m.
fairmon said...

Nuclear, natural gas, wind and solar are the only currently known technologies but they aren't being aggressively pursued by any party. When gas goes past $5 and coal is 2X current prices we may print enough money to feed everybody while we blame each other for the economic collapse. We will have to print it those loaning to us are already backing away.

Those big oil companies are investing in alternative sources so they will be the source in the future. But, if I listen to some to heck with them, they are all crooks. They shouldn't get subsidies and if they don't keep in mind who will make up for their loss of subsidies. The same people paying for the subsides will make up the loss but paying it direct is a heck of a lot more efficient than the government processing it and grafting off their share.

March 10, 2011 at 8:15 p.m.
trburrows said...

Organized labor, with its longtime Democratic allies now in a sprawled heap, is very much in disfavor on Capitol Hill, especially after the UAW brought down the huge plant at Spring Hill while the non-union Nissan plant was expanding.

Another barometer can be found at the new Volkswagen manufacturing plant in Chattanooga where, today, nary a union label better not be seen. Too many people remember that Chattanooga was once a union stronghold yet still wonder why all the industry suddenly disappeared in a resounding poof. Now the TEA has gotten into the same hot water and, within a week or two, will make its first faltering steps toward extinction.

But, get this; while Jennifer is not a member of the TEA (Tennessee is a right-to-work state), her salary along with 52,000 other teachers is negotiated by the union. Now she wonders, “If we lose that contract, what does that mean? Will we get cuts? Anything is on the table now …”

Today there are dark clouds in Wisconsin. That is where yesterday legislative members side-stepped their sulking and exiled Democratic brethren to put in motion a bill that will most assuredly clobber public workers within the next 24 hours. What to know the “net?” Each of those public-union workers will now get about 8 percent less pay.

While I am very much for reform, and sending the TEA’s misguided on a skiff down Nashville’s Cumberland River, we will quickly become a bunch of blithering idiots if we now fail our teachers. Once again, don’t penalize education because you hate the creeps the teachers have ignorantly employed.

Sure, cut the union war mongers, but please embrace the educational initiative and those who we pray will deliver it. So the hope is while the state legislature will take firm steps to fix the system, the 80 percent or so of the great teachers we’ve got will design a lesson plan that will either fix or fire the rest, bring thinking back to the forefront rather than that damnable one-day test that needs to promptly go in the shredder, and that we’ll join forces to finally climb out of “the bottom ten” worst educational systems in the country.

March 10, 2011 at 10:12 p.m.
canarysong said...

OK, I've just come in from a very busy day after a very busy week and I am very, very over-tired, so maybe I'm hallucinating......

Is anyone else as confused by trburrows' post as I am? (you know what I mean!)

March 10, 2011 at 11:11 p.m.
canarysong said...

I just read some of the earlier posts.

MtnGrl, 2:51 post and dude_abides, 8:06 post: thanks for ending my day with a chuckle!

March 11, 2011 at 12:47 a.m.
BobMKE said...

It is a great sunny day here in Wisconsin. Click on the below site, check out the recent articles in the lower left corner, use your common sense, open your minds, and save the site to update yourselves on what is going on here in WI.

45 other States have the same problems. They will lay off employees and/or rise taxes. Gov. Scott Walker had a third option which was just passed. Now WI is a right to work State which bring in business because we have Lake Michigan for there water supply. The public employees now don't have to join the union and can use the money to pay for their pensions, health care or go to Wisconsin Dells with the family. The teachers are now not mandated to purchase their union health Ins. which will save the State $8-10,000 a year per teacher. These are just some of the good things that this bill created. Check the site.

March 11, 2011 at 8:53 a.m.
delmar said...

I tried to go to the site BobMKE suggested but my right click button wouldn't let me open it into another tab, so I used my left click button and it took me to this site instead.

March 11, 2011 at 10:40 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...



March 11, 2011 at 11:37 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Legislation limiting collective bargaining rights of teachers in Wisconsin gets through the legislature and is signed by the Governor!

I would not have known anything like this would have been possible a year ago. Wisconsin was one of those bastions of progressivism that was running itself into a financial ditch.

The total lack of progress with getting spending under control in Washington is shameful in comparison, downright depressing. Obama is a hopelessly poor leader that is so blindly bound by his progressive agenda that he would destroy the country economically before he would abandon his quest to socialize everything he can before he is booted from office. Wisconsin, Ohio and New Jersey all show us what is possible with good leadership.

March 11, 2011 at 11:46 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...


The U.S. Office of Surface Mining (OSM) has been holding public hearings to receive public input regarding the state's petition to protect mountain ridgelines on public lands in the Cumberland Plateau from surface coal mining. The first two meetings were held on March 8th and March 10th. OCM’s third meeting will be held on March 15th, 2011 at Oak Ridge High School, 1450 Oak Ridge Turnpicke, Oak Ridge, TN.


“Opponents of coal surface mining along ridgelines of the North Cumberland Plateau and those in favor of the practice both sent clear messages Thursday night to representatives of the U.S. Department of the Interior's Office of Surface Mining.” [Knoxville News – Ken Little]

March 11, 2011 at 12:45 p.m.
woody said...

And yet BRP, you fail to mention the fact that the conservative-controlled Tennessee legislature can produce nothing more than even easier ways to carry weapons into places they shouldn't belongin the first place while making it harder for all Tennesseans to vote.

And, oh yeah..Obama is only one person in that quagmire we call Washington D.C.

Tisk, tisk, tisk..Woody

March 11, 2011 at 12:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Hi Woody, What is wrong with being able to carry into a place that serves food as long as you are not drinking alcohol? I think it is more dangerous NOT to let concealed carry permit holders carry into restaurants and bars. Every time I have to leave my weapon in my car because I am going into a restricted location I worry that it might be stolen.

You are certainly right about the quagmire in Washington, but until Obama steps ups and leads it is hopeless to expect that a highly partisan legislature split between both parties will get any traction. Obama is intentionally NOT LEADING hoping that he can let the Republicans make the first move so his partners in crime in the legislature and press can try to make political hay by accusing the Republicans of being mean and hateful for touching all of those beloved programs. How’s that hope-n-change thing working for you now?

March 11, 2011 at 2:14 p.m.
woody said...

I think you may have a firm grasp of the situation up there BRP, however, in all fairness, let me counter with just two words, "herding turtles."

Think about it..Woody

March 11, 2011 at 2:43 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Probably more like herding cats!

March 11, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.

Oh and the GOP has not taken any money from the Unions as well.

March 11, 2011 at 5:41 p.m.
hambone said...

BRP, Finally someone admits to the real reason for carrying your gun into a bar. Worrying about leaving it in your car might cause indigestion!

March 11, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.
trburrows said...


that post reflects how wild you posters can go off subject. which you are right now. btw, are you married to bw or are you two twins? there is something there between you two.

March 11, 2011 at 11:54 p.m.
canarysong said...

Oh,tr, it IS you! For just a minute there I thought that you had miraculously become literate. I guess you just don't understand that whole quotation mark thing.

BTW; twins yes, separated at birth; different mother, though. Different father, too. Tragic story; very complicated...

March 12, 2011 at 10:48 a.m.
delmar said...

Heh heh, canarysong, I love sense of humor!

March 12, 2011 at 11:05 a.m.
fairmon said...

If the mining process is so bad why not just tax it into oblivion like governments have done other businesses? Tax every ton removed and require an up front fund set aside at commencement of mining to return the land scape to like condition within a set number of years. Miners meeting those cost means there is not a viable alternative to coal and consemers will pay the higher prices.

March 12, 2011 at 2:03 p.m.
canarysong said...

Tax, tax, tax. What's up with you, harp? You're starting to sound like one of us liberals! Have we been a bad influence on you?

March 12, 2011 at 2:23 p.m.
fairmon said...

canarysong, I don't think you have heard me say I object to taxes except the manner in which they are levied then wasted by an inefficient inept government.

As noted above regarding mountain top mining. Anything you want less of tax it and you will get less. Tax the wealthy and at some point you will get fewer with wealth. Tax corporations excessively and you will eventually have fewer of them. See my comment under today's 'toon for recommendations on ways to use taxes to curb excesses and encourage creativity. Tax the wrong people too much and you will lose a lot of votes and not be elected again.

Have you read Bennett's bio? Do you think he may have a problem holding a job? He has sure moved around a lot. You may detect I don't like liberals or conservatives. They think if you are one of them you have to support their parties B.S. even if you object to any of their initiatives. Right now both are jockeying around for the 2012 elections without regard for well being of the country.

March 12, 2011 at 11:27 p.m.
canarysong said...

I actually like some of your ideas about simplifying taxes, especially on corporations. I do see a couple of serious problems on some specifics that you may not have thought of, though. I'll try to remember to post them on the 'new normal' toon (the posts that i will be referencing are there i think) tomorrow. I 'm too tired tonight. Sorry, I'm also doing this on my phone right now, a pain.

BTW; I did read Clay's bio. Sounds like someone logistically moving up the career ladder, not like someone who can't hold a job. He stayed at one publication for 13 years and at another for 10 years. That's a long time these days.

March 13, 2011 at 12:28 a.m.

Clay pinned the tail on the donkey.

March 15, 2011 at 6:36 p.m.
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