published Tuesday, May 3rd, 2011

The Certificate

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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blackwater48 said...

NAILED IT

Great 'toon, Clay.

I was pondering today how soon before the erstwhile 'birthers' seize on the next hysteria, "Where's Bin Laden's Death Certificate??? It's a hoax!!! Obama just wants to get reelected!!!"

But not today. Today is a today to celebrate the death of a scum bag.

Today is a good day to be an American.

May 3, 2011 at 12:14 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

obama didn't get anybody....our brave special forces did and our intel.....if not for the groundwork layed out by bush/cheney this wouldn't have happened.

obama is a narcissist... from his speech, packed with i, me, and my ..you'd think he did it himself. giving a no brainer order to proceed is what anyone in the office would do at that moment.

bush's speeches regarding terrorisim had the word we as the focus...it wasn't about bush, it was about our country and our great military..

obama made himself the focus of the speech..he truly is a class a, number one jackass.... what an ***hole....he's trying to take a great moment and a decade's worth of hard work by others and make it seem as though he's the hero......nauseating..

it's particularly sickening in light of how many soldiers have died in pursuit of bin laden.. obama has no shame..

he wants to capitalize on this as much as he can in the hopes we'll forget about the disaster that is his administration...won't work...

this is vindication for bush/cheney.......

you libs bitched and moaned about bush/cheney.....this is a great day in america and obama had nothing to do with it.

our great and brave military and our outstanding intel did this for us.......both of which obama wanted to dismantle just a short time ago.....

any american would've have given the go ahead to kill bin laden.....it was a no brainer...he had no choiice....

what a supreme narcissist....now he'll swagger and strut around the country like a great military leader.........how embarrassing.

May 3, 2011 at 12:42 a.m.
nucanuck said...

SeaMonkey,

It was Obama who had to decide whether to bomb the compound or stage a surgical raid to ensure that the US killed the right person.

Obama's plan and strategy seems to have struck a positive cord with almost the whole world except you.

Check the drumbeat, you may be out of step...AGAIN.

May 3, 2011 at 12:50 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

and bennett is a jackass too...typical leftist....

a cartoon highlighting the bravery and the sacrifice of our special forces and what a great victory it is for this country would've have been a classy cartoon for such a great moment.

but, no....just another cartoon propping up a lefty/democrat......just a stupid-ass, smart-ass piece of propaganda......an attempt to give obama some legitimacy regarding fighting terrorism ...when in reality all he had to do was continue what bush did.......

if obama, and bennett, had any class..they would've made the focus of attention the military.. and give credit where credit is due.....but being typical lefties...they just don't get the sacrifice the military makes for us...

obama is a pig.....and bennett is a stooge....

if there ever was a time to make a speech free of politics and narcissim, it would've been after a great moment like this.....you blew it obama.....only an egomaniac like you could turn that into a great big terd.

if there ever was a time to have a cartoon free of politics and narcissism it would've been after a great moment like this. you blew it bennett...sky high......your true colors show once again.

May 3, 2011 at 12:57 a.m.
GlacierClipper said...

President Obama is the Commander in Chief of all branches of the United States Armed Forces. He was the one that gave the approval for the mission. He was doing what Bush and Clinton failed to achieve during their 2 terms as President.

Being a disable veteran I know what the sacrific is on a battle field and in special operations. My disability was caused in the line of duty.

I salute President Obama and all members of the Armed Forces and thanks to all veterans who knows what it is like to defend this county.

May 3, 2011 at 1:05 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

no, nucanuck...it's a no brainer.."plan and strategy".....his? he's simply not capable... i don't think so.....give credit where credit is due........

yeah..he's a real genius...

just watch and see how it plays out....he'll milk this for all he can......and continue to downplay the military...

i want the name of the guy who put the bullets into bin laden's head...he's the hero..he and the other special ops membes.....all obama had to do was cut his golf game short and get back to the white house....everyone else did the work......

he should've started his speech by saying.....thanks to the amazing efforts of our great and brave military and the genius of our intel, osama bin laden is dead and the world is a better place.

the object was to kill obama....no brainer...once again, obama now likes our intel and military...what a fraud.

i would have a lot more respect for him if his speech would've been about our military and intel rather than himself......but, as usual...he's consistent..

May 3, 2011 at 1:16 a.m.

seamonkey,

you are nothing more than a miserable little f...ing idiot. I guess you were really furious yesterday, that Obama achieved something which Bush and Cheney failed for 7 years!!!!!!!!

Hihihihihihihi, eat it you brain-dead bastard...

May 3, 2011 at 2:51 a.m.
nucanuck said...

SeaMonkey,

Now that we all know how you feel about Obama, how about telling us who you think would do a better job and why.

Bet you can't do it because you don't deal in positive thoughts.

May 3, 2011 at 3:02 a.m.

seamonkey,

it is funny that you say the job losses, which occurred at the end of Bush's term and the beginning of Obamas term as a consequence of Bush's failure, are Obama's fault, but now the death of bin Laden, way in Obama's presidency, is suddenly due to Bush ???

It is almost funny how incredibly dumb you conservatives are... but what can you expect from people taking Adam and Eve seriously...

May 3, 2011 at 4:09 a.m.

Seamonkey,

as a reminder Bush called himself the "decider" when he went into Irak. After that he talked about "WE" because it is easier to share FAILURES!!

Obama decided not to bomb, which was smart, since he got Laptop and other things way more valuable than Bush got with 7 years Guantanamo!!!

Accept that you brain-washed-dead ...

May 3, 2011 at 6:34 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Sea Monkey by your logic, if Obama didn't kill anyone, then neither did bin Laden. Someday maybe you will learn there is a structure to the military and to organizations. Maybe, you will, you are pretty thick, so might not get it.

May 3, 2011 at 8:17 a.m.
mymy said...

Years of intelligence gathering combined with controversial interrogations of Al Qaeda members at Gitmo ultimately led Navy SEALs to kill Usama bin Laden at his Pakistan compound.

It took about 4 years starting before Obama became president to discover the name of Osama's most trusted courier to find and kill him. I give him credit for keeping some of the Bush Administration policies in place and making the right decision to go after him.

It took controversial interrogations and Gitmo both which the left disagreed, but without both Obama would not have been about to get him. The war on terror is still on going and the Administration needs to rethink their attitude on how to fight it.

Justice is slow sometimes and credit should be given where it is due.

May 3, 2011 at 8:27 a.m.
mymy said...

Our Military should be at the top for praise. Without them nothing would have been possible.

May 3, 2011 at 8:29 a.m.
Leaf said...

What I seem to be hearing from the extreme right is that they wish we hadn't found Bin Laden for another year, or five, or nine, so that a Republican might have been in office when we got him.

How about put America before your small political ideology for a change.

May 3, 2011 at 8:33 a.m.

Libertarians4Freedom,

fortunately I am living in Germany now, back in civilization, and I follow the crazyness in the South from far distance ..

it is such a relieve to have reasonable and sane people in the neighborhood..

We even have a major from the green party (something which does not even exist in the US)..

May 3, 2011 at 8:44 a.m.
Humphrey said...

"obama made himself the focus of the speech..he truly is a class a, number one jackass.... what an ***hole....he's trying to take a great moment and a decade's worth of hard work by others and make it seem as though he's the hero......nauseating.."

I agree 100% - that was really unfortunate for Obama to put on a flight suit and get on an air craft carrier in front of that "mission accomplished" sign - and letting OBL go because he was afraid of "counter attacks." Obama didn't have anything to do with setting the priorities and goals of the military or the CIA, etc., those are 100% rogue organizations with no central command or direction, just doing their own thing. Oh yeah, I don't think y'all are idiots, either.

May 3, 2011 at 8:48 a.m.
limric said...

Reality Check:

Obama is responsible for the economic meltdown that began before he was elected, and Bush is responsible for the killing of Osama bin Laden two years after he left office.
The Right has been so wrong for so long, they will take credit for anything - even the accomplishments of a black man.

I find it enlightening that chicken hawk Republicans couldn't get the job done in seven years. President Obama did it in two.

Mr. Obama - Win

US Navy SEALS - Win

America - Win

The Right/Terrorists - EPIC FAIL!

Wait a minute. Just had a thought. We forgot to congratulate John McCain. Didn't he say he knew where Bin Laden was and that he knew how to get him?

http://lolpics.se/19416-hes-dead-obama

I think I speak on behalf of all those here when I say, "suck it, conservatards" you lose!

May 3, 2011 at 8:48 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

sandy you're an idiot. obama gave the go ahead..that's all..that's what he's there for. to assign any kind of genius or brilliance to him regarding this speaks to you and all you libs' disrespect for those that really did the work and displayed bravery. this was years in the making at the cost of many brave lives...obama did the only thing he was supposed to do. he's not capable of coming up with a plan. he knows about as much about military strategy and tactics as he knows about brain surgery.

his narcissistic speech proves my point. grab as much credit as he can...he's sickening..

if we bomb it, he might get away..if we go in on the ground and make sure we put a bullet in his head it will probably insure his death......most people would pick the latter..no brainer.

he had a great opportunity to rise above politics and put the focus on those that died and made this possible and on those that carried this out...instead all we got was..me, i , me , i, me, and my.

he wants to make sure we know he was the one in charge, as if we don't know that.

no, austrian.....bush used "we" because it wasn't about him......obama is purely about "me"

a better job?....obama made the only decision that made sense....kill bin laden...it's not genius.. he made the right decision, because he had no choice. just wait and see how he milks this, it'll prove i'm right.

the special forces did a spectacular job to carry it out....nobody could do a better job than they did....as far a obama goes, the tough part for him was to supress his desire to bring bin laden in, read him is maranda rights and give him a civilan trial....that part was tough for him.

bennett proves my point to.....his cartoon mimimizes the sacrifice made by the military for a decade to get this guy.....instead he just uses it as an opportunity to help he party out.

obama wanted to dismantle our intel and military, now he's using it as an opportunity to prop himself up...what an opportunist

May 3, 2011 at 8:52 a.m.

Reading between the lines, it's almost as if no one can possibly believe that a Black man can:

1) lead 2) be intelligent 3) form strategies 4) think for himself 5) graduate Harvard (at the top of his class)without affirmative action 6) urinate without a White man telling him where to aim 7) execute a successful attack without "the help" of Bush/Cheney

That's the biggest load I've ever heard. If Bush/Cheney could have killed Osama they would have. After seven years of swallowing their failures and lies, it's really sickening how many people are still enthralled with them.

May 3, 2011 at 9 a.m.
Leaf said...

The logic of the far right is hilarious. On one hand, Obama is a weak leader who can't get anything done. On the other hand, he's responsible for every bad thing that happens in the world.

Well, which is it? Is he a lazy fool who plays golf all the time, or an evil genius who directs a worldwide conspiracy against America and little baby Jesus?

May 3, 2011 at 9 a.m.
MTJohn said...

L4L - putting America first should not also compel the U.S. President to also put stupidity first. Carter's decision to not declare war against Iran certainly put the nation's interests and the welfare of the hostages well ahead of his own interest in getting re-elected. But, I'm not sure I die-hard advocate for Ayn Rand's brand of libertarianism would be able to comprehend the significance of personal sacrifice.

May 3, 2011 at 9:01 a.m.
Leaf said...

Let's see. Adding Austrians, Ralph Nader, soccer, environmentalism and NATO to the list of things that L4F hates.

How about potatos, L4F? Do you hate potatos? Because I find them delicious and useful.

May 3, 2011 at 9:08 a.m.
ceeweed said...

Amazing exchange of opinions and ideas! It is heart warming to see that,by using this forum, we can have this give-and-take without being disrespectful or insulting. Thanks to all posters for keeping a civil tone.

May 3, 2011 at 9:10 a.m.

Leaf said... Let's see. Adding Austrians, Ralph Nader, soccer, environmentalism and NATO to the list of things that L4F hates. How about potatos, L4F? Do you hate potatos? Because I find them delicious and useful.

LMAO!!! I have coffee coming out of my nose, Leaf, thanks

May 3, 2011 at 9:15 a.m.

L4F,

I lived in the south for five years. People are friendly, but the majority is just dumb as can be, in particular the conservatives... backward in any respect ..

The liberals in the south I take out of that, because these people showed intelligence in distancing from the backward surrounding. My attacks are only targeted at the white conservatives, who are the vast majority...

A southern friend of mine suggested a solution, how to make the US a better place.

Drone strikes, on Baptist churches on sunday 10 am. This would make the world a better place.

Of course I know Ralph Nader, but he doe not compare to the green party here, but still much better than these conservative bastards of Bush, Cheney and the rest...

To uneducated people like you, I dont answer about stupid comments of yours like "mein fuehrer". No need to discuss history with people who think the US is the only place on earth.

To your information: Austria is NOT member of the NATO !!!!!!!!

May 3, 2011 at 9:16 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Very good Bennett.

May 3, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
limric said...

Today’s comedy line:
“if we bomb it, he might get away..if we go in on the ground and make sure we put a bullet in his head it will probably insure his death......most people would pick the latter..no brainer.”

Oh, you mean like this ..’no brainer.’

In March 2002, just six months after 9/11, Bush said of bin Laden, "I truly am not that concerned about him.... You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you." In July 2006, we learned that the Bush administration closed its unit that had been hunting bin Laden. Also in 2006, Bush told Fred Barnes, one of his most sycophantic media allies, that an "emphasis on bin Laden doesn't fit with the administration's strategy for combating terrorism."

Poor baby, here's a hankie, dry your tears.

If Obama truly followed example, he would have dismissed Bin Laden as unimportant, ignored all the intelligence reports of the previous administration, dismantled the teams looking for Osama, and gotten to work finding ways to funnel more money to his rich friends.

May 3, 2011 at 9:22 a.m.
limric said...

L4F quote, "Here in America we can watch professional sports without rioting like a bunch of idiots."

That is mostly, but not completely true. We Americans do however have propensity to riot, loot, steal and murder when misfortune strikes our neighbors.

May 3, 2011 at 9:28 a.m.

Thank you Limric. Someone who remembers how idiotic the Bush administration was. I forget. Why did we go after Saddam Hussein again? Why was our focus shifted to him after the 9/11 attacks? And not bin Laden??? Selective memory. I may be turning into a repub!

May 3, 2011 at 9:29 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Well...this cartoon has achieved its purpose 'again'...to turn us on each other...instead of uniting us! Lets spend valuable time 'eating' each other up, calling names, degrading everyone from the president to the ones of us making comments. We appear to be acting like 'Christians'...(the Christian Army is the only army that 'shoots' its wounded). Oh well...at least the 'scum-bag' is gone...onto the next in line....

May 3, 2011 at 9:30 a.m.
potcat said...

Obama heaped praise upon praises on the Navy Seals and all the MILITARY for the killing of bin laden, and those who sacrificed for ten long years. I Can Hear, and i know he said HERO several times. Quit LYING!

May 3, 2011 at 9:39 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

CRC said... "If Bush/Cheney could have killed Osama they would have."

Here is a reality check for you..

THAT was a load of BS.

When the troops had B/C's pal cornered, they pulled back our soldiers and went into Iraq going after imaginary WMDs that inspectors had never found any indication of existing . Giving the effer a chance to escape.

Since we know republicans repeat the same thing over and over, they would have pulled back our soldiers and sent them elsewhere, so their buddy could escape again.

May 3, 2011 at 9:40 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

U.S. Military Deaths (Afghanistan) 1286

U.S. Military Wounded (Afghanistan) 7266

U.S. Military Deaths (Iraq) 4427

U.S. Military Wounded (Iraq) 32900

Excess Iraqi Deaths 655000

May 3, 2011 at 9:47 a.m.

That was something I had heard before. I also heard that the 9/11 attacks were somehow facilitated by B/C (bombs at the bottom of the buildings). But I never thought they could possibly be that smart.

May 3, 2011 at 9:49 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Whether you like Obama or not…today we need to pay gratitude to our U.S. military. George W. Bush started out the bin Laden policy of "Dead or Alive," and Barack Obama and our U.S. military was around to execute it. Praise to them all!!!

May 3, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.
OllieH said...

GreenKepi- This cartoon did not turn us on each other, we seem to be more than capable of achieving that ourselves. This cartoon only gives credit where credit is due- to the commander and chief who finally eliminated Osama bin Laden.

I suppose Clay could have drawn a cartoon that had us all dancing on bin Laden's grave. Wouldn't THAT be uplifting!

But instead of appealing to our baser instincts of vengeance and blood lust, Clay chose to make a more sophisticated and ironic point- that the man who, only last week, had to produce a birth certificate to validate himself in the eyes of of his detractors has, this week, validated his presidency in a much more substantial way- by producing the death certificate of our county's most despised enemy.

May 3, 2011 at 9:54 a.m.
limric said...

GreenKepi,

I feel, and I'm sure everyone else here deep in their hearts does, that a great weight has been lifted – like a Memorial Day. Those special forces were our May 1st Santa Claus. A gift we shall not soon forget.

The whole country is cheering and it will be heard around the world.

Let NO ONE try to take this from us – Let all of us put our collective STAMP on his death certificate!

Thank you boys. Thank you VERY VERY MUCH.

May 3, 2011 at 9:57 a.m.
mmlj said...

Mr. Bennett,

I had not visited your site in a while because of my frustration with your repeated tone and message. On a whim, I looked today predicting that you would—rather than celebrate a win for goodness and justice and the world—decide to take a political jab. Predictably and disappointingly, you did with the attribution of bin Laden’s death to Obama while poking fun of the birthers.

This is the equivalent of a triumphant athlete mocking his opponent upon victory in the place of humility, joy, and celebration.

Fortunately, other cartoonists did not use this as a moment to spit on political rivals. I encourage readers to look at the work of Michael Ramirez and others who chose more appropriate messages: http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2011/05/03/87330.

In response to those who are very concerned with who is congratulated and credited, I offer wisdom from the late and great John Wooden: “It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit.” The efforts of many—public and private, visible, and invisible—accomplished this victory.

May 3, 2011 at 10:02 a.m.
XGSBoss said...

@mmlj

Birthers have deserved and will always deserve the scorn, derision, embarrassment, ridicule, and all the spittle expelled from my lips in their direction. You have no leg to stand on, birthers that STILL exist only show their ignorance, hatred, racism, and lack of education to the level of probable brain damage.

And let me be crystal clear. If Bush or ANY future president in the next 30 years were the one to take out OBL, they would celebrate the victory the same way if not more so than Obama has. I see no level of "politicizing" this more than can be expected when you get the most wanted man in the world.

May 3, 2011 at 10:15 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

mmlj, interesting that you hold up a townhall link in contrast to Bennett's cartoon today. I scrolled through the cartoons at your link and there are several that do exactly as Bennett has done: take potshots at Trump and other "birthers". Oops. How does that egg feel on your face?

May 3, 2011 at 10:36 a.m.
trashbox57 said...

Great toon Clay. Keep up the good work.

May 3, 2011 at 10:40 a.m.
MTJohn said...

LFL - real patriots and real Americans want a country that works for everyone, not just for themselves.

May 3, 2011 at 10:41 a.m.
miraweb said...

lkeithlu - don't sweat the townhall links too much. Just another pitiful little push-pony sent out to beg for web traffic.

Clay - nice work. Just the right touch of satisfaction without forgeting all the sorrows that horrible creature was the cause of. I hope those 72 Virginians have caught up with OBL.**

Old joke - you can google it.

May 3, 2011 at 11:11 a.m.
hambone said...

It seems that whatever Obama is for the other side is against and whatever he is against the other side is for.

Obama should come out against what he is for!

May 3, 2011 at 11:12 a.m.
MTJohn said...

LFL - it is a land in which the opportunities for some are more equal than the opportunities for others. Those whose opportunities are more equal benefit from the policies promoted by the Republicans and Libertarians.

May 3, 2011 at 11:37 a.m.
mtngrl said...

L4F, if you are not a global citizen exactly which planet ARE you from?

May 3, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

LMAO!!! Great Job JSOC! Great job Obama! Great job Clay!

  • Great job SeaMonkey! Great job L4F! The more you rant the less creditable you are. You are the face of the Republican/Libertarian movements, thank you. Keep up the good work!
May 3, 2011 at 12:01 p.m.
najones75 said...

Every last one of you are pathetic. This was a great thing that has now been turned into something very ugly.

The killing of Bin Laden was a joint effort.

It was some good decision making by Obama (doesn't happen often, in my opinion, but give credit where credit is due).

It was some fantastic planning and execution by our military.

And, last but not least, it was the information received from interrogations at Gitmo under the former President (like it or not guys, this wouldn't have happened any other way).

Does this change what I think about Obama, fundamentally? Hell no. And I certainly don't think this changes the election of 2012 results...one way or the other. Contrary to belief, people aren't going to just drink the kool-aid anymore.

But, a job well done, indeed...on all parts.

Good day...

May 3, 2011 at 12:16 p.m.
mmlj said...

iKeith,

I didn't mean to suggest that every cartoon was a model--far from it. I like Ramirez's cartoon, but didn't want to name each cartoonist who echoed a similar message. Some of the cartoons are cheap--like McCoy's which callously and unnecessarily belittles Obama's significant role. No egg. I just thought there were some good and appropriate perspectives out there that go beyond political scorekeeping.

And XBoss, not saying that the birthers don't deserve a good jab. But not now. It seems petty in the wake of a monumental event. That's all.

May 3, 2011 at 12:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

*SeaMonkey said... "obama is a narcissist... from his speech, packed with i, me, and my ..you'd think he did it himself"

This is SO TRUE. I was taught to avoid over using "I, me and my" both in speech and in the written word. It sends a message of selfishness and a lack of empathy. Every time I hear obama speak it is always loaded with references to self. Another big topic is how it is someone else’s fault. The rest is useless platitudes. How anyone can think that dork is a good speaker is beyond me!

May 3, 2011 at 12:32 p.m.
Leaf said...

There are a few people saying that a confession received from waterboarding several years ago was instrumental in killing Bin Laden. I don't know if that's true, but even if it is, the assumption that a specific piece of torture is the only thing that could have possibly led us to Bin Laden is not a good one to make.

We can't go back in time and see whether the invasion of Iraq and the decision to torture detainees helped us get Bin Laden quicker or not. Maybe NOT invading Iraq and treating our allies with more respect would have produced better results. We'll never know.

I do think that Bush did what he thought was best, and Obama did what he thought was best. Both of them are just human beings who have limited power and who are affected by luck, timing, and events beyond their control.

May 3, 2011 at 12:35 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

And bennett? What a jerk! obama sits in the situation room and rides the tails of an intelligence team rebuilt by Bush and the US Special Forces and bennett thinks it is time to praise obama?

I hope those Special Forces did not do anything questionable under the direction of obama. If they did, and it gets out, I would not be surprised to see obama sacrifice them.

May 3, 2011 at 12:42 p.m.
Julian1 said...

As many of us have figured out, L4F is not really a Libertarian by any received definition. The Libertarian Party's website, for example, states that their goal is "a system which encourages all people to choose what they want from life; that lets them live, love, work, play, and dream their own way."

L4F has no truck with true Libertarian philosophy. His hateful way is the only way. He is really a Dixiecrat.

May 3, 2011 at 12:53 p.m.
canarysong said...

Like most other people, I am proud of our military personnel, the intelligence community, and our Commander in Chief for removing a dangerous individual from the ranks of those that can continue to inflict suffering in the world. But.... I have found the celebratory atmosphere surrounding this situation a little disturbing. Here are some thoughts from people who have said it better than I can.

Richard Rodriguez:

"Patriotism is truest and best when it is quiet, the acceptance of civic duty, as a kind of fate—never with childish glee, but with mature resolution."

"I doubt that the Navy Seal (whose identity we must certainly never know) is prancing around today with a flag draped over his shoulders, gloating over the fact that he shot the monster in the head. [...] the act of bringing down such a grotesque figure as Osama bin Laden does not provoke a skilled warrior to laughter. This is a solemn business. And the true patriot knows it."

http://www.alternet.org/story/150808/cheering_a_monster's_death_is_not_the_same_as_patriotism

David Sirota:

"This is bin Laden’s lamentable victory: He has changed America’s psyche from one that saw violence as a regrettable-if-sometimes-necessary act into one that finds orgasmic euphoria in news of bloodshed. In other words, he’s helped drag us down into his sick nihilism by making us like too many other bellicose societies in history -- the ones that aggressively cheer on killing, as long as it is the Bad Guy that is being killed."

"When we lose the sadness part -- when all we do is happily scream "USA! USA! USA!” at news of yet more killing in a now unending back-and-forth war -- it’s a sign we may be inadvertently letting the monsters win."

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_usa

Paul Brandeis Raushenbush:

"For the last 10 years Osama bin Laden has exemplified the absolute worst of religion. He was a fundamentalist and a zealot in his own belief and willing to kill those who believed differently..."

"To reiterate what the President said in his announcement of bin Laden's death: "Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader, he was a mass murderer of Muslims." His death is satisfying not only because of what he did, but because it prevents him from doing any more violence in the future in the name of religion."

"It is a tempting yet dangerous practice to look around the world for evil people and target them. That is just what Osama bin Laden thought he was doing. We must be vigilant that we do not become what we despise. We must be careful in the way we use religion and the name of God to further our own causes..."

"So, let us mute our celebrations. Let any satisfaction be grim and grounded in the foundation of justice for all who have suffered at bin Laden's bloody hands."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-raushenbush/celebrating-a-death_b_856124.html

May 3, 2011 at 12:58 p.m.

Credit where credit is due (installment #1):

“Other than trying to find a solution to the nations thorny health care situation,Obama has been Bush redux,but with a better mind. Bank reform,Iraq,Afghanistan,debt,tax benefits for the rich,Guantanimo,expanding foreign military basing...all Bush league stuff. Can an idiotic war with Iran be far off? “ (nucanuck, February 5, 2011)

May 3, 2011 at 1:08 p.m.
twharr said...

@ Lib4Life,

Last I checked the commander and chief commands and chiefs. I think the right has been highjacked by clandestine Klan members with a splash of Beck backers aka the likes of you people. Your thought process tells me that all you want is what I'm doing now...responding to your political satire. You're not a Republican or conservative...you're a hill-billie blog bully tea party thug. You probably have "The South was Right" on the back of your station wagon. You're a joke. An insult. A stooge. A douche. A hypocrit. A Lib4Life. So keep up the glossed rhetoric douche bag. We sane people will continue to mock you like the con-artist douche bag you are. I don't always drink beer, but when I do I choose Dos Equis. Stay thirsty my friends.

May 3, 2011 at 1:08 p.m.
limric said...

Canarysong,

Interesting quotes from a somewhat self-inflated commentator and two ‘religious scholars’. All three hint that we would be better served by being a bit more reserved or subdued in our joint celebration. I couldn’t disagree more. Could this be the result of my having a personal stake in this? I don't know, but then again, I feel all Americans have personal stake in this.

Below are token pieces culled not from any scholar, politician or pundit, but an F.B.I. special agent from 1997 to 2005, interrogated Qaeda detainees at Guantánamo Bay and elsewhere - Ali H. Soufan. I have highlighted what I believe are great observations. They aren’t new, we all know them. We just left them in a dark corner and forgot about them. Ali Soufan brought his flashlight.

Osama bin Laden was never just the founder and leader of the group, but also an idea. He embodied the belief that their version of Islam was correct, that terrorism was the right weapon, and that they would ultimately be victorious. Bin Laden’s death did not kill that idea, but did deal it a mortal blow.

Investigations, intelligence and military successes are only half the battle. The other half is in the arena of ideas, and countering the rhetoric and methods that extremists use to recruit. We can keep killing and arresting terrorists, but if new ones are recruited, our war will never end.

Our greatest tool, we must remember, is America itself. We have suffered a great deal at the hands of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, and we will never forget those killed in attacks like the 1998 bombings on United States Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the 2000 attack on the Navy destroyer Cole, 9/11 and the service members killed since then in the war against Al Qaeda.

Many terrorists whom I interrogated told me they expected America to ultimately fold . What they didn’t understand is that as powerful as the Bin Laden idea was to them, America’s values and liberties are even greater to us. Effectively conveying this will bury the Bin Laden idea with him.**

May 3, 2011 at 1:32 p.m.
moonpie said...

SM and BRP,

I stayed up late to watch President Obama's announcement. I too was struck with how much of the speech was focused on his decisions. If I had been his advisor, if I had written the speech, I would have tried to tone that down.

He should be proud. But I agree, he doesn't need to toot his own horn.

I think the president should have come out and described what we knew, when we knew it, how it occurred and praised all the people below him.

He should have then left the dias and let Jay Carney, his press secretary, answer questions. Carney could have filled in the details of Obama's role.

What's striking and telling though, is if this is biggest and most legitimate criticism that can be leveled at him for how this entire situation was handled, I think any president would take it.

Afterall, this is a mission that was accomplished.

May 3, 2011 at 1:55 p.m.
canarysong said...

Limric,

I know that it's unlike me to side with religious scholars, but on this one I have to agree. We can be solemnly glad for Bin Laden's death without allowing ourselves to be lowered to the level of him and his followers. If we lose our humanity, we have lost the most precious thing of all.

May 3, 2011 at 2:07 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

"dick cheney's assasination squad"..that's what democrats referred to the navy seals when bush was president. but, now you libs like them, huh..now that obama is president?...monstorous hypocrites.

this was a mission accomplished...but, obama has and will take credit for it. he will not be upstaged.

if not for bush/cheney and the many men and women killed, the navy seals who carried this out and the intelligence bush/cheney rebuilt after clinton gutted it..this wouldn't have happened.

obama could not bring himself to fully credit those that made this happen...he's is the ultimate narcissist.

and when the average price of gas goes up to $4.00 a gallon by memorial day, what will obama do then?

could his motives be anymore transparent?

May 3, 2011 at 2:08 p.m.
chet123 said...

seamonkey,libertarian,bigridgepatriot...see the obama haters are here lol lolwish you stop dodging me lol lol...hey moonpie...that was real stupid what you said...if it had been a fail mission...you would hve said Obama failed the same way you said President Carter failed with his rescue of the hostages...Obama did the right thing and said the right thing...you may not want to hear it because you dont want to give credit where it due...he didnt go in like that craze bush and chaney...killing women and children....you can hindsight all you want to...bush and chaney handle this war like wild john wayne cowbiy...and allies did not want to fight with us because such foolishness

May 3, 2011 at 2:11 p.m.
chet123 said...

what you talking about seamonkey

May 3, 2011 at 2:12 p.m.
chet123 said...

you like to shoot off that mouth then run like a scared rabbit...dont go anywhere

May 3, 2011 at 2:13 p.m.
chet123 said...

that chicken hawk your main man...profit off this war

May 3, 2011 at 2:14 p.m.
chet123 said...

chaney had private contractor....blackwater...the man made money...blood money off our young men

May 3, 2011 at 2:15 p.m.
chet123 said...

with HALIBURSTON...chaney made millions off this war...and you my friend say nothing...thats unamerican

May 3, 2011 at 2:17 p.m.
chet123 said...

folks old saemonkey just headed for the hills....these poster like seamonkey pick on people thats not knowledgable..they are republican coward...pundit of the rich and greedy...they have a partnership with the bigots

May 3, 2011 at 2:19 p.m.
chet123 said...

i have to chase this propagandist down....

May 3, 2011 at 2:21 p.m.
chet123 said...

if he doesnt have opposition...he will talk all day...but when you punch holes in his weak argument...he cant respond...and run like a scare rabbit...you see he calling FOX NEWS for help,,,or john birch society LOL LOL

May 3, 2011 at 2:24 p.m.
chet123 said...

you can run but you cant hide!!

May 3, 2011 at 2:25 p.m.
chet123 said...

sea monkey is blaming gas prices on Obama...lol lol...how about congress...speculation...deregulation...lol...notice when gas prices spike which party is in congress....democrat runs congressional hearing when they are in majority...republican is majority...you will not see a congreesional hearin on big oil...republican give them a free pass lol lol...seamonkey blame Obama..lol lol......this is why he is hiding now....he will wait until i leave then like a roach he will crawl from under a rock and shoot that mouth off with lies....all haters does the same thing.....

May 3, 2011 at 2:40 p.m.
chet123 said...

i'm going to wait him out!

May 3, 2011 at 2:40 p.m.
chet123 said...

there he is

May 3, 2011 at 2:42 p.m.
chet123 said...

yeah...reveal your real nature....and your little hater buddy

May 3, 2011 at 2:44 p.m.
chet123 said...

while you stuck herer in Chattanooga...hes on AIR FORCE ONE. crusing at your expense seamonkey LOL LOL

May 3, 2011 at 2:45 p.m.
chet123 said...

while you shooter your mouth off with lies...hes carry the BLACK BOX LOL LOL LOL

May 3, 2011 at 2:46 p.m.
chet123 said...

SEAMONKEY...how does it feel to be inferior to a black man lol lol

May 3, 2011 at 2:48 p.m.
chet123 said...

YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU JEALOUS lol lol lol

May 3, 2011 at 2:49 p.m.
chet123 said...

FOLKS WHEN SEAMONKEY GET QUIET...that means hes off and running like a scared rabbit...or making a call to FOX NEWS for helpppppppppp!!!

May 3, 2011 at 2:51 p.m.
chet123 said...

i will wait you out...you got to come up for air at some point

May 3, 2011 at 2:53 p.m.
moonpie said...

chet (with apologies to hambone and his admonishment DNFTTs),

Your obsession with SeaMonkey is as bad as SeaMonkey's obsession with Obama. I'm glad you found each other. Who knows what either of you would be into without this site...

May 3, 2011 at 2:55 p.m.
limric said...

May I but in for a second Chet?

No Canarysong, I don't think so. Bringing death upon a mass murderer is not lowering ourselves to his level. We loose not one iota of humanity by this action. Vengeance is at times justified. This is such a time. You know in your gut, you're cheering. You are just conflicted about its openness.

What I find very troubling is what the Secretary of State said after bin Laden's death, Clinton appealed to the Taliban. "You cannot wait us out. You cannot defeat us," said Clinton. "But you can make the choice to abandon al-Qaida and participate in a peaceful political process." What an unmitigated arrogant, war-mongering ass. Do tell, Hillary, how much longer do WE get to wait?
Now is the time to send e-mail's, call your representative's and congressmen and tell them to bring our kid's home. Not because the war is illegal, not because you didn't like George, or all war's are immoral or any such esoteric rambling, but put it simply ...Osama bin Laden is dead. There is no link to Iraq (there never was) or Afghanistan any more and we don’t want to waste our kid's lives or our money anymore.

Thanks Chet.

May 3, 2011 at 2:57 p.m.
chet123 said...

This the kind of people american want to run the country,,,someone cant look you in the eyes and tell the truth...this is why this great country have so many enemies lately...the corporate have place lap dogs with no back bones in congress,,,just to protect their trillions...yes trillions!

May 3, 2011 at 3 p.m.
canarysong said...

Limric wrote,

"No Canarysong, I don't think so. Bringing death upon a mass murderer is not lowering ourselves to his level. We loose not one iota of humanity by this action. Vengeance is at times justified. This is such a time. You know in your gut, you're cheering. You are just conflicted about its openness."

--- Hey, have you been around our conservative 'friends' so long that you are picking up their habit of speed-reading? I am not at all sorry that our operatives killed Bin Laden; I would have killed him myself had I had the opportunity. The part that I find disturbing is the euphoria surrounding the event. Even a justifiable killing is solemn, a tragic necessity, not something to gush over (I am grateful, but not cheering). And yes, of course I am conflicted. I imagine that I am not alone.

May 3, 2011 at 3:20 p.m.
canarysong said...

OK, Chet... That tears it. I have tried to avoid saying anything.... but 12 posts in a row?! (a total of 20 posts in less than 45 minutes!)

You probably don't intend to be inconsiderate, but I'm afraid that that is exactly the result of your poor planning. PLEASE slow down, take a breath, wait 5 or 10 minutes and see if you have something additional to say before you submit your post. JEESH!

Maybe you should switch to decaf.

May 3, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.
limric said...

Hey Moonpie,

WOW – What serendipitous post. What you described is a living episode of Star Trek.

Chet123 is a black (I think) college educated, and open minded individual. We’ll call him ‘Lazarus’.

L4F is a white (this I’m sure of) plantation educated, and closed minded individual. We’ll call him ‘anti-Lazarus’.

Matter and anti- matter

Lazarus is on search to find the insane anti-Lazarus. He claims the anti-Lazarus wants to bring civilization back to the past and he's been fighting him since reconstruction.

The two Lazaruses are now trapped between universes, apparently doomed to fight each other for eternity.
Contemplating this dilemma leads SeaMonkey to mutter. "IT’S OBAMA…..obama………..obam……uhnn"…bink!

If Lazarus and anti-Lazarus manage to contact each other within either physical universe, they would destroy each other, and annihilate both universes.
“An anti-matter universe is only revisionist history and no one has ever found proof of it.’ Cries Lazarus.
Now, however, he may have such proof. But watch out - Breaking the barriers between the matter and anti-matter universes may trigger doomsday. Or until we run out of beer and have to go to the 7-11 for more.

May 3, 2011 at 3:45 p.m.
canarysong said...

Could the reactionary right please give credit where credit is due? Whereas Bush diverted tremendous U.S. resources to starting a pointless war in Iraq, President Obama acted with intelligent deliberation and succeeded where Bush could not.

In a speech on July 15, 2008, candidate Obama stated:

"The greatest threat to that security lies in the tribal regions of Pakistan, where terrorists train and insurgents strike into Afghanistan. We cannot tolerate a terrorist sanctuary, and as President, I won't. We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps, and to crack down on cross-border insurgents. We need more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones in the Afghan border region. And we must make it clear that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like bin Laden if we have them in our sights."

"In 2009, now President Obama took the steps to remedy the under-funded, under-resourced and floundering American effort in Afghanistan and Pakistan. [...] Obama tripled the U.S. force on the ground. As the President explained..."

"When I took office, we had just over 32,000 Americans serving in Afghanistan, compared to 160,000 in Iraq at the peak of the war. Commanders in Afghanistan repeatedly asked for support to deal with the reemergence of the Taliban, but these reinforcements did not arrive. And that's why, shortly after taking office, I approved a longstanding request for more troops. After consultations with our allies, I then announced a strategy recognizing the fundamental connection between our war effort in Afghanistan and the extremist safe havens in Pakistan. I set a goal that was narrowly defined as disrupting, dismantling, and defeating al Qaeda and its extremist allies, and pledged to better coordinate our military and civilian efforts."

In December of 2009, speaking to the Senate Armed Services Committee one week after a scathing report documenting the U.S. failure to capture Bin Laden when he was "within our grasp" at Tora Bora in December 2001, General Stanley McChrystal echoed Defense Secretary Robert Gates' admission there hadn't been good intelligence on the Al Qaeda leader's whereabouts in "years".

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001165.htm

Even former Vice President Dick Cheney praised President Obama's judgement in his decision to order the raid." The administration clearly deserves credit for the success of the operation," Cheney told ABC News.

Refusing to give President Obama any credit for this success reveals the fact that, regardless of what you say, your real objection to our President is based more on irrational hatred than anything else.

May 3, 2011 at 3:58 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Canary, you are not alone in your conflict. I found myself not knowing how I wanted to react. I feel in some way justice was done with Usama's death. However, I am reminded of what Proverbs 24:17 says, "Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles" I know that many of you do not care one iota of what the Bible says but even Atheists will agree the Bible has good advice from which most of our laws are from. Anyway, that is not my point. My point is that I too am conflicted in how to react to this event. As a former military person, I do know that the President would have had to give this order for this mission to be carried out. I do not like the way he gave most of the credit to himself (and most of you know I am not an Obama supporter) but that does not diminish his role in this. For that I am proud of him. However, Any great coach knows he can't win a game by himself and always gives the credit to others, never himself. His speech was very telling of his character. I would like to say thanks to all the military for their service but especially to the Seals who carried out this mission.

Now we need to be prepared for retaliation. This is no time to sit back and gloat.

May 3, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.
limric said...

Canarysong,

Ah dunno. Maybe because to me it’s personal. Maybe it’s a guy thing. Maybe it’s because I’m a veteran. Maybe becuase I've spent time in Arabia (Middle East), I just can’t get introspective with the likes of him. Sorry. Like I said, it’s personal, way personal.

As for you Nurseforjustice.
Yes, I will gloat. I (we) have every right to. I will not cower to Muslims, I fear them not. As the biggest cretin of the 21st century said, “Bring it on.”

One last time today. Thank you boys. Thank you very much.

May 3, 2011 at 4:17 p.m.
fairmon said...

The intelligence community specifically the CIA and those brave and capable Navy Seals deserve our sincerest thanks and appreciation for their perseverance and endurance. Give the president credit, he did have to approve the plan based on information these folks provided. It is not, in my opinion, right to give credit to any individual or administration. This effort was active under Clinton, intensified under Bush and continued with Obama. The results were the best possible but celebrating like it is the first time we have done anything right may not be appropriate.

May 3, 2011 at 4:21 p.m.
canarysong said...

Harp, good post.

Limric,

The military and intelligence operatives who put their lives on the line so that we might be safer at home certainly deserve our heartfelt thanks, as do you and everyone else who have risked their lives in service to our country. The rest of us will never really understand what that feels like. Have a drink tonight and offer a toast to them all on my behalf, would you?

May 3, 2011 at 4:43 p.m.
potcat said...

Obama spent the last week handing over his Birth Certificate to the birthers, visited the victims of the worst natural disaters in Alabama, all while plotting to capture and Kill Bin Laden with skillful planning and diligence by our America military intelligence stategist who waited until they had the "CORRECT INTELLIGENCE" information before invading bin Laden's compound. Good Job Navy Seal's,Special Ops and all our Military.Thank you President Obama for your patience and intelligence in a well planned Coup.

Bush was inept, a Liar and a murderous Fool in all matters of WAR. The Iraq war took precedense over al Qaeda, bin laden and Afghanistan right after 9/11. The Iraq- 9/11 tie NEVER was. We must never again grant political power to a renegade band of Sanctimonious, Amoral Hoodlums to invade and occupy an oil rich Arab country which was doing nothing to threaten us.

War Profiteers.. how did $50 billion the United States spent on reconstruction work in Iraq was spent and why $8.8 billion of it is unaccounted for and thats just a drop in a bucket to what the WAR PROFITEERS made off with and still are.

Both wars need to end NOW! I am desperately wanting and waiting for Obama to do this.

May 3, 2011 at 5:01 p.m.
canarysong said...

najones75 wrote:

"... it was the information received from interrogations at Gitmo under the former President (like it or not guys, this wouldn't have happened any other way)."

--- Not so fast..... If you are intimating that waterboarding is responsible for the operation's success, that does not seem to be the case at all.....

"The torture program established by the CIA appears to have played a minor role, at most, in the intelligence effort that eventually lead to Osama bin Laden’s death. From the evidence released so far, electronic surveillance and old-fashioned intel methods were far more important."

"Waterboarding and other torture methods didn’t give the real name and location of the courier. Old fashioned human spying and electronic dragnets did that. For now, the most that can be said about the “enhanced interrogation program” is that it may have led to the nom de guerre of the courier, which got the ball rolling. That’s not nothing, and it complicates the operational case against torture. But even that is less than certain..."

"It took more traditional sleuthing to get al-Kuwaiti’s real name [...] That meant putting more operatives on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan to track him, yielding a partial name. Once they had that, they unleashed “one of their greatest investigative tools“: the National Security Agency’s surveillance net. The NSA monitored email and phone traffic until they had his full name: Shaikh Abu Ahmed."

"Last summer, the Associated Press reports, al-Kuwaiti/Ahmed made a fatal mistake: he called someone under NSA surveillance. After showing up on the grid, CIA operatives on the ground were able to hunt him. In July,  CIA’s team of Pakistani informants tailed him, writing down his license plate number. That led them to the Abbottabad compound..."

“One would think that if so-called ‘enhanced interrogations’ provided the magic silver bullet,” writes Jane Mayer of the New Yorker, who’s expertly chronicled torture in the post-9/11 era, “and if the courier was a protégé of K.S.M.’s, then the C.I.A. might have wrapped this up back in 2003, while they were waterboarding the 9/11 mastermind a hundred and eighty-three times."

"Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, said that the “magnificent” intelligence work that led to bin Laden isn’t a vindication of the the old torture program. “To the best of our knowledge, as the result of a look, none of it came from harsh interrogation practices,” Feinstein said."

For more details...

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/surveillance-not-waterboarding-led-to-bin-laden/

May 3, 2011 at 5:41 p.m.
canarysong said...

Hey, BigRidgePatriot, Liberatarian4Freedom, SeaMonkeyButt, and assorted other fringenuts.... I've found a primer for you guys....

"A patriot's guide to still hating Obama for killing Osama"

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/03/osama_reactions_guide/index.html

May 3, 2011 at 6:11 p.m.
Humphrey said...

"Funny how Fortune 500 corporations, including GERMAN companies like Mercedes and Volkswaguen love setting up shop here. You know why? I mean, they could set up shop in California and Michigan, oh, but those states have unions, lots of regulations and high taxes, while us "dumb" southerners will work for lower wages and give taxpayer subsidies for the privilege - we are Germany's Mexico and Japan's India."

May 3, 2011 at 6:53 p.m.
canarysong said...

The dark side of vengeance: Revenge is sweet, but should it be?

Dave Niose, for Psychology Today, compares and contrasts a humanist perspective with that of Jeff Jacoby, a conservative (religious and political) columnist for the Boston Globe.

"Mixed emotions are to be expected after an event like the killing of Osama bin Laden. For most of us it seems strange to feel any sense of joy over the death of another human being, but of course bin Laden was no ordinary person. National pride, revenge, and certainly a sense of justice - such responses, if we experienced them, were to some degree natural and understandable."

"Indeed, events such as the death of bin Laden are among those rare instances when most Americans feel a sense of unity, a sense that we have passed a milestone together as a tribe, as a people."

It is far too long even to paraphrase here, but worth a look if you are interested.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201105/the-dark-side-vengeance

Also, here is a related article by Miroslav Volf, who teaches at Yale Divinity School and is the author of Allah: A Christian Response.

Fear and relief

http://www.christiancentury.org/blogs/archive/2011-05/fear-and-relief

These are two very different perspectives that share similar concerns (conflicted feelings, if you will). They are both worth reading.

It seems that non-theists and the religious are not always so different after all.

May 3, 2011 at 7:03 p.m.
canarysong said...

On second reading, I realize that my last post was unclear.... The quotes from the Psychology Today article were by Dave Niose, NOT by Jeff Jacoby! Sorry.

May 3, 2011 at 7:32 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Fact:

W Bush was President when Osama attacked America.

President Obama brought him to JUSTICE!

President Obama Protects America.....Republicans? Busy spending their MONEY!

May 3, 2011 at 8:09 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Tinfoil hat adjustment on aisle 3! Seriously, a youtube video done by some kid? You can't be serious!

May 3, 2011 at 8:35 p.m.

Credit where credit is due: (part 2)

limric said... I too was an Obama supporter - but the connection between he and Bush just became too eerie. I don’t think it's even fair to call him Bush Lite. It's Bush. It's getting increasingly hard to find a difference that's not ethereal . We still have state secrets, targeted killings, indefinite detention, renditions, the opposition to extending the right of habeas corpus to prisoners, but with an ever so slight or no difference … The number of instances in which Obama has breached his own alleged principles when it comes to the War on Terror and the rule of law are too numerous to list. I’d say, Obama is acting exactly the same as Bush in defending who or when he has to inform in Congress for executive covert action. No one should even argue this or even try any longer. I think it’s time we all realize this and face what is now an indisputable fact. (March 28, 2011)

May 3, 2011 at 9:01 p.m.

Credit where credit is due: (part 3)

nucanuck said... "If there is a difference between Obama's and Bush's military policy,it's not easily discernable." (December 13, 2009)

May 3, 2011 at 9:11 p.m.
ITguy said...

Bush could have captured / killed Osama but there was no profit for Haliburton in Afganistan. He turned his attention to Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11, but had a lot of opportunity for Blackwater contracts. Obama is nothing like Bush. Mission Accomplished! Get over it.

May 3, 2011 at 9:16 p.m.
Oz said...

lkeithlu... I just asked a question. I never have been a birther but the kid does seem to know his way around Adobe Illustrator. The document was pulled from the government website and I found it interesting. I guess I was the only one.

May 3, 2011 at 9:55 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

I went back and watched Obama's speech on YouTube and listened for signs of "narcissism." I didn't hear it...just heard a carefully crafted speech with concise explanation and just the right amount of patriotism. The link is below:

Then, I went and read the text of Bush's Mission Accomplished speech which, oddly enough, was given on May 1, 2003. It contained just as many "I" references as Obama's. I admit, I have a bit of prejudice against that speech since the whole world knows that GB was full of BS. The link to that speech is here:

http://themoderntribune.com/president_george_w__bush_speech_uss_abraham_lincoln_may_1,_2001_mission_accomplished.htm

Seamonkey, it's like crying wolf or the sky is falling. There comes a time when you just need to shut up.

BTW, excellent post, Potcat.

May 3, 2011 at 11 p.m.

Again, seamonkey is correct, and right, and factual. People, read the articles and note the dates. It said 2002 was when it came down, we found out. That is not O. Damn you libs are dumb.

May 4, 2011 at 1:16 a.m.
limric said...

whats_wrong_with_the_world,

Re, "Credit where credit is due:"

I give full credit to Obama and all those involved with the demise of a mass murderer. I also stand by my quoted statement.

May 4, 2011 at 8:09 a.m.

I hope it was not a Osama Bin Laden body double or we are all in this for a very long haul.

May 4, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.
limric said...

Say Oz,

If someone did indeed edit the birth certificate, wouldn't a savvy illustrator pro finish the document - print it - then scan it? Thereby holding to one layer?

May 4, 2011 at 2:26 p.m.
Oz said...

You would think. I don't have illustrator or I would download the document and try it. Other examples were on YouTube. They all supposedly downloaded the document from the Government website. Go figure?

May 4, 2011 at 7:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sorry I was so rough on you Oz. You didn't deserve it. Bad start to the day, and I took it out on everyone around me.

May 4, 2011 at 7:25 p.m.
Oz said...

No big deal... We all have those days. School will be out soon and you can recharge!

May 4, 2011 at 7:51 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

True, true, although like most teachers I go straight to another job. (but not teaching) You are certainly gracious.

May 4, 2011 at 8:04 p.m.
Oz said...

I have a few friends in education and I have learned to avoid them from about the middle of April until the end of the school year. They are always stressed (10-12 hour days) but the last 6 weeks are worse. I know teachers do 12 months of work. They just have 9 months to get it done. Whenever I hear someone say, teachers only work 9 months out of the year. I know a real dumba** just opened their mouth.

Have a Great Summer!

May 4, 2011 at 8:54 p.m.
chet123 said...

seamonkey is very entertaining....he doesnt beleive in what he says....just need attention

May 5, 2011 at 1:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Geez indian, you get crazier every time you come here. Okay, I'll bite: You have a candidate to offer up to challenge Obama in 2012? The GOP seems to be having a bit of trouble in this department.

May 7, 2011 at 2:15 p.m.
chet123 said...

I see the hater Indian is in the house...nerver gives specifics...because she cant....just a sore loser..mud throwing as usually....Indian you have a black President...get over it...he dont even know you exist...LOL LOl you are like a little fly...fill with hate...i love the fact he allowed you and other haters make a fool out of yourselves...you will never govern and republican on national level are own by rich and greedy...Obama will be your President in 2012...yes he will have the black box and you mylady will kneel and kiss his feet LOL LOL LOL...

May 9, 2011 at 9:23 a.m.
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