published Monday, May 16th, 2011

Gun-carry confusion in Georgia

LaWanda Burris, left, and Denny Rayes fire handguns at  Shooter’s Depot in Ringgold, Ga.
Staff photo by Dan Henry/Chattanooga Times Free Press
LaWanda Burris, left, and Denny Rayes fire handguns at Shooter’s Depot in Ringgold, Ga. Staff photo by Dan Henry/Chattanooga Times Free Press

GUN LAW CHANGES


• Concealed-carry permit holders can carry weapons openly in holsters.

• Guns now are allowed in parks, historic sites, recreational centers, restaurants, except where prohibited by federal law

• Not allowed in:

— Bars, unless the owner permits it

— Places of worship, unless the church body votes on it

— Courthouses

— Government buildings

Source: Senate Bill 308

Walking into Los Guerreros restaurant off Main Street in LaFayette, Ga., to grab some food on his day off recently, Denny Rayes stiffened when he saw that the man in front of him had a gun strapped to his side.

“It made me think, ‘I wish I was wearing mine,’” said Rayes, a LaFayette police officer and resident.

For nearly a year it has been legal for people with concealed-carry permits to wear their weapons in plain sight as long as they are holstered.

But it still jars many Georgia residents to see nonuniformed residents openly wearing holstered weapons. Local police say they have received numerous panicked calls from clerks and restaurant employees upset about customers openly packing.

“It’s nothing illegal that people are doing, but people just get freaked out,” said LaFayette police Sgt. Stacey Meeks.

The bill signed into law last year also redefined where guns can be taken, including into restaurants serving alcohol.

LaWanda Burris carries her 9 mm Glock or .380-caliber pistol on her person or inside her purse, but she said she wouldn’t wear it openly because it draws too much attention.

“To me that’s asking for trouble,” said Burris, a LaFayette resident.

Meeks agreed.

If a threatening situation did come up, someone carrying a gun openly would be in danger, he said. That’s one of the reasons he warns patrol officers always to carry a sidearm when wearing clothes that identify them as police.

“If someone is going to commit a crime, you become their first target,” Meeks said.

Carl Hamilton has a different view.

The LaFayette resident wears his weapon openly and said a sidearm in plain sight might deter crime.

Hamilton said he has been criticized or questioned occasionally when he walks into a restaurant or Walmart with his gun strapped to his side. But he said he tells people he could react quickly if trouble arose.

“I’m not wearing to intimidate anybody or impress nobody,” he said. “I’ve got the right and the permit to say I can carry it.”

While the new law was intended to clear up ambiguity in Georgia’s gun laws, some questions persist.

Walker County Associated Probate Judge Kristy Anderson had to check after she was peppered with questions about how guns may be carried.

If the weapon is kept in a holster it’s legal, she said, but even “that’s questionable in the law.”

Other points of argument include where people can take guns.

For instance, guns are allowed in church services only if the church body votes to allow them, said Catoosa County Probate Judge Gene Lowery.

But in any case, business owners and church leaders have the right to tell people to leave their weapons in the car, authorities say.

Several months after the changed law took effect, Christy Dycus was working behind the counter at Richard’s Restaurant in Ringgold, Ga., when a man with a gun strapped to his side walked in to pick up a to-go order.

A customer flinched and stared as the man waited for his order, Dycus said. A couple of minutes later, police showed up and checked the man’s permit, she said, assuming the customer had called authorities.

“It was fine. It was just weird to have him have a weapon on his side,” she said.

When police arrived, they asked the man to keep his gun in his vehicle, said Police Chief Dan Bilbrey.

“It was just making people uneasy,” he said. “I can certainly understand someone in ... a T-shirt with a gun strapped to their side — it gets your attention.”

Authorities said legislation passes every year that tweaks or drastically changes gun laws.

And every year it takes “time for people to get used to” the changes, Meeks said.

about Joy Lukachick...

Joy Lukachick is the city government reporter for the Chattanooga Times Free Press Since 2009, she's covered breaking news, high-profile trials, stories of lost lives and of regained hope and done investigative work. Raised near the Bayou, Joy’s hometown is along the outskirts of Baton Rouge, La. She has a bachelor’s degree in mass communication from Louisiana State University. While at LSU, Joy was a staff writer for the Daily Reveille. When Joy isn't chasing ...

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timesfreepress said...

Do you agree with current gun laws? What changes should be made?

May 16, 2011 at 2:28 a.m.
nucanuck said...

The rise in gun ownership and permits parallels the decline in America. Guns give people a sense of personal power while actually increasing their vulnerability.

Are you smart enough not to be packing?

May 16, 2011 at 2:39 a.m.
eyesWIDEopen said...

"LaWanda Burris carries her 9 mm Glock or .380-caliber pistol on her person or inside her purse, but she said she wouldn’t wear it openly because it draws too much attention.

“To me that’s asking for trouble,” said Burris, a LaFayette resident."


Not only does Ms. Burris have class, she also has common sense, while Hamilton is a moron with an obvious ego and sense of macho problem. If I'm a criminal or criminals who is bent on committing a crime, I'm going to take the one or more individuals obviously packing the heat out first. dah!

By the way, what about the off duty Wal-Mart employee who recently drew his gun on a customer in a Fort O. Wal-Mart? Wasn't he a legally licensed carrier? He shot that theory right down the toilet that only responsible individuals got to be legal licensed gun owners.

May 16, 2011 at 3:13 a.m.
Ramblinwreck said...

I'd like to see people who are against concealed or open carry would identify themselves with a name tag, T shirt or funny hat so those of us who are carrying won't waste ammo saving their lives in a situation where they may be killed. If you choose not to be able to defend yourself that's fine with me. But when seconds count the police are only minutes away. I'll be carrying mine. If you get in trouble and don't want to be helped just waive your hand and let us know and we'll stay out of it and let your personal one-on-one assault, robbery or murder continue unabated.

May 16, 2011 at 6 a.m.
hambone said...

When ask why he didn't pull his weapon, his answer was " I didn't want to get involved".

May 16, 2011 at 6:24 a.m.
smadave said...

While I am strong advocate for gun rights/ownership, I do believe concealed carry should be required for many reasons. I do not agree with the police asking the gentleman to leave in firearm in the vehicle if he had a permit to carry which he apparantly did. The gun isnt going to do much good in the car if some nut comes in the store waving a pistol and threatening to kill someone is it? Those poor people will have to wail 10 minutes for the police to arrive and the perp will have already been long gone.

May 16, 2011 at 7:09 a.m.
rolando said...

The age-old question, hambone...why help those who refuse to help themselves and especially those who want to force us to stop helping others in need?

It is not a matter of not getting involved but one of "You don't want my help? Hey, I'm OK with that."

May 16, 2011 at 7:18 a.m.
rolando said...

I carry concealed...sort of...although it isn't required here in Tenn.

I say "sort of" because it becomes a bit hard to hide anything bigger than a .380 unless wearing a loose jacket or mid-weight overshirt...which really makes you stand out in 90-degree weather. But few people even notice the bulge, even then.

When the media stops scaring the public with tales from those who are frightened of guns -- or prefer to let the police protect them -- perhaps we can all settle down.

Carrying a firearm is a constitutionally guaranteed right, after all.

May 16, 2011 at 7:30 a.m.
grandmastaj said...

Ownership is guaranteed, not the right to carry openly. But don't let that stop you from twisting interpretation to fit your political ideology.

May 16, 2011 at 7:37 a.m.
hambone said...

While I am not against guns and own guns for hunting and home. I believe the odds of myself being involved in a robbery in a public place are extremely high.

That being said, I would rather take my chances with some criminal, than get caught in a crossfire with someone who stands in front of a mirror practicing his fastdraw!

May 16, 2011 at 7:43 a.m.
Humphrey said...

brock, brock, brock.

May 16, 2011 at 7:56 a.m.
hcirehttae said...

Hamilton said he tells people he could react quickly if trouble arose. “I’m not wearing to intimidate anybody or impress nobody,” he said.

Second statement: Yeah, right, he's not trying to intimidate or impress anybody. Apparently getting a concealed-carry permit is as hard as getting a library card. I would say his grammar is precise in the sense that it intimidates "anybody" and impresses "nobody."

First statement: I'm sure he will react really quickly when he perceives that trouble is arising. So whether some innocent bystander like me gets shot is dependent upon the mature, calm, balanced judgment at that exact moment of every single person carrying a gun who is within 100 yards of any public incident.

May 16, 2011 at 8:22 a.m.
ArmedBonehead said...

Are we locals, living in Georgia? I was born here, and I know the low level of literacy, education, and poor judgment around me. I want mandatory training for concealed carry permits, like smart states have.

As a native, I have more guns that teeth, like many Georgians. I know we're a "shall issue" [carry permits] state, unless you're one of the known felons, or government-listed as mentally defective or psychologically challenged. I've head a permit all my adult life, and had guns since I could hold up one end.

The issue is that giving anybody a CC permit, without requiring a class that assures they know the legal- and moral consequences of gun use--more important than gun safety or operation, or is it the same question?--is inviting problems for all. Some people don't have good sense, and think their carry permit means they can flash their gun at drivers that cut them off in traffic, or kill over simple trespass or insult. And the cop wannabes that have to carry openly, what are they hoping for? A chance to get off a shot?

Education--Georgia's greatest failing...even in gunplay...make everyone have to sing-off that they've been told the law, and let's hope they have good sense.

May 16, 2011 at 9:10 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Someone, can't remember who, told me Riverbend was free this year for those openly carrying weapons. They said it was to help augment the police presence, and that all you had to do when approaching the gate was give them the secret signal (wink repeatedly and jerk your head to the right) and pat your gun. DO NOT, under any circumstances, say anything to anyone. Just give the secret signal and keep walking. In appreciation of the "citizen army" all alcohol restrictions have been waived, and anyone bearing weapons should just proceed to the front of the queue line, take whatever they can carry, and get back on patrol. It appears that, in an attempt to economize, the "Firearm Friends of the Festival" will be asked to be a part of the fireworks show, so bring plenty of extra ammunition.

May 16, 2011 at 9:16 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Hilarious (almost): guns in public, EXCEPT at the state legislature and other government buildings. Why don't the NRA-funded politicians let citizens carry guns into that public building?
Hypocrites.

May 16, 2011 at 9:55 a.m.
tderng said...

Those of you who have hoplophobia(fear of guns),seek professional help to get it under control!For those who carry for reasons such as machismo or to feel cool,get professional help and get rid of your gun before you get killed or kill some innocent bystander!If you carry a gun for protection and have plenty of time at ranges and classes THANK YOU FOR EXERCISING YOUR RIGHTS AND WILLINGNESS TO PROTECT THOSE WHO CAN'T!

May 16, 2011 at 9:56 a.m.
ArmedBonehead said...

Thanks for your comments, Libertarians4Freedom. Maybe my point was lost: I'm not afraid of my guns or yours, or gangs in California. My point is that a concealed carry permit should have more credibility and status behind it than a library card. That everyone can get one, except for the "0.02%" rejected in Tennessee--presumably felons and those documented in court records on file with the NCIC as being mentally unstable--doesn't add much to the "shall issue to dues-payers" seeking a "license".

We'd be better served and safer if CC permit holders had to pass a test about gun law, and rights--and wrongs, of "exercising" our gun "rights".

Having a CCW doesn't give you any more right to respond with force to someone pulling a gun on you in traffic than not having a permit. If it had some credibility, it might say you have better training and judgment, but it doesn't. It just says you paid a tax...voluntarily. Permits with training would be better. We have enough boneheads with guns. I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-bonehead. They bother me, not their weapons. Why do we have to give them permits, too, without a little more screening?

May 16, 2011 at 10:35 a.m.
MRR045 said...

I don't really care for open carry but if it's the law and people feel compelled to do so, well it's their right by law. Just like getting an abortion is allowed and a right. I don't carry to protect people around me, I carry to protect myself and family. The rest of you can huddle up in a corner and hope the po po gets there in time. Maybe you won't have to witness your wife or daughter getting raped in the meantime.

May 16, 2011 at 10:36 a.m.
hambone said...

Every time there is a discussion about gun carry permits there are those whos posts leave me with the impression that when they go into a store or other public place they hope a robbery will break out. All the training and background checks won't detect "stupid".

May 16, 2011 at 10:43 a.m.
dave said...

No this is NOT a southern newspaper...It is owned by Yankee's and run basically by New York Liberals who tell them what to print...what to say and who to vote for. .."When Seconds count...Your Police are only Minutes away..." that is why the police show up half an hour late, when the bodies are cold, mill around in droves for a couple of hours and put up expensive yellow tape. Then go and round up the "usual" suspects. People carry guns because we really have NO police protection...their only here to provide revenue by handing out tickets to the working population and to protect their expensive camera vans ...which hand out tickets and provide revenue. Lets face it they don't give a __ about you...they only want your money!

May 16, 2011 at 11:28 a.m.
ZMANSKI said...

grandmastaj: What part of, " ... the Right to keep and BEAR arms shall NOT be infringed, do you not undestand ???" To Bear the Responsibility, to Bear the burden, to Bear the weight, to strap it on and carry/Bear a weapon ... No one is "twisting" anything, except the White-Livered Liberals who think it is OK to "interpret" the Law/Constitution ... Like Scripture, every time man gets involved in interpreting, rather than UNDERSTANDING and obeying the Supreme Law of The Land, most everything gets fouled up and God Given Rights get trampled and violated, by people who don't have the testicular fortitude to stand up for what is Right !!! I know your family is proud ...

May 16, 2011 at 11:33 a.m.
nucanuck said...

As I read the "toter" posts, I was saddened by what my America has become. The unwise "common wisdom" about guns has evolved as America is devolving, and what we have left is low level fear based "group think".

Devolution is the road to increasing violence and misery. I prefer the road less traveled.

May 16, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
tderng said...

nucanuck,it is the road less traveled because the travelers have already been killed.It is the road less traveled because it is the more dangerous road.

May 16, 2011 at 12:04 p.m.
nucanuck said...

tderng, your fear is part and parcel of the devolution. To think more guns can make us more safe defies cerebral boundries.

May 16, 2011 at 12:43 p.m.
hambone said...

When the 2nd Amendment was written a multi round magazine was a pouch full of ball and a powder flask. A firearm was needed not only for protection but for food too. Every able bodied male was in the well regulated miltia.

Had the founding fathers foreseen the weapons we have now maybe they would have written it a little different.

May 16, 2011 at 12:43 p.m.
chet123 said...

i beleive some issue have to run it course...after enough these gomers shoot and kill enough men women and children are accidentally shot..the insurance company(who own the weisel politician)will lobby a ban and that will be the end of it.

May 16, 2011 at 1:09 p.m.
ArmedBonehead said...

Libertarians4Freedom, thanks again for the comments, but you must be in Tennessee. Here in Georgia, which this concealed carry article is about, there is no test to get a concealed carry permit. You likely have a better class of permit holders in TN, if they have to pass a test. Georgia laws are so poorly worded our lawmen and DAs don't even understand them, as the article suggests.

As to revocations, here in Georgia, we have to pay for the same background check every five years when we renew our carry license, so we probably aren't as good as TN in revoking permits. How many newly-looney or convicted felons have permits, who knows? With a new felony conviction, apparently we can carry and hold a permit till renewal time.

I didn't follow the connection with drinking and driving, unless it is to say that CCW holders are as likely to ignore good judgment and the law, as they are no better screened than library card holders and less than driving license holders, who have a test on the law and a performance test--but wasn't that my point?

We do have about 300,000 drivers in Georgia that have revoked DLs in their possession at any time, so some point you were putting forth about illegal drivers may have meri. They need more still testing, like Georgia CCW applicants.

Just because I'm bothered by boneheads doesn't mean I want to take mine out and unload on 'em, though. I'm trying to set a higher example for carry permit holders, but if I did, in Georgia, I'd be turned back out on the streets.

Off to the range--the Zombies are coming, soon...and I need to practice. As to the lead exposure and it's effect on my impulse control, read Poisonous Pastime, at: www.ewg.org/reports./poisonouspastime>

ZMANSKI said...

It is no wonder that this Country is in such Bad Shape ... Medical Science proved, years ago, that Liberalism is a Mental Defect ... Will we ever return to the day when Nationalism meant that we Protect and Preserve this Country, the way it was designed to be? Evidently, nobody heard Obama when he said, "This is the greatest County on earth, now I am asking you to join with me and help me change it ..." WHAT ??? Why the hell change the, "Greatest Country on Earth ..." The 2nd/ Amendment was written, in case the idiots running this place forgot about all the other Amendments ...

May 16, 2011 at 1:47 p.m.
hambone said...

I think i'll just carry my handgun anywhere I want and save the $50 for beer!

May 16, 2011 at 2:07 p.m.
Shock said...

@Dave - I think you're getting the old Chattanooga Times mixed up with the Chattanooga Times Free Press. The man who bought the Times and the Free Press 1998 was born, raised and lives in Little Rock, Arkansas. Hardly qualifies him as a Yankee, don't you think?

May 16, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.
Momus said...

LaWanda needs 'Buns of Steel'.

May 16, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.
Echo said...

To the sheep that I shall not bother to identify:

  1. Permit holders do cause early release of repeat violent criminals.

  2. Permit holders did not recently shoot down a respected cop, while in the commission of an armed robbery.

  3. Permit holders can carry concealed because the law allows it, they can carry openly to prevent prosecution when "chicken-littles" wet their pants and call 911 because someone's handgun prints under their shirt. Thank you "chicken-littles" for making open carry possible, it allows permit holders to carry the full-size guns we prefer to stop a threat.

  4. Permit holders stop many crimes daily without firing a shot, few are reported in the leftist press. Google "Billy Dunkleberger". Synopsis: Joe citizen stops a knife attack on a 3rd party with legally carried handgun.

  5. 1 of 13 TN citizens carry. Where are all the shootouts you predicted? If you can answer this, shut your piehole.

  6. Permit holders must pay for and pass a criminal background check, many minor offenses disqualify an applicant. Could you pass?

  7. People who have to work and travel at odd hours have the right to self defense.

  8. Permit holder must pass a written test and a shooting test, but many are much better shooters than the minimum CCW requirement because they practice.

  9. Permit holders understand the legal consequences of carry. In short, the aggravation is great so we won't waste our time on grown, able bodied men being attacked. You had your chance and you blew it, accept your thug's beatdown.

  10. Coming soon: "no permit carry". That means full restoration of Second Amendment rights without tax and bureaucratic interference. All you "chicken-littles" better move to Canada and start a commune. Haa hhaa!

May 17, 2011 at 8:14 a.m.
chet123 said...

i want to see this law played out...my predictions...there will be law suits all over the place after some little white kid is accidently shot in the face...the insurance co. will step in...and that will be the end of DODGE CITY....

May 17, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.
chet123 said...

Libertarian4freedom...you are comparing apples and oranges man!...ever see a knife kill 20 people in 60 seconds??? you better use that hat rack of your for thinking..and stop relying on the bloggers and sites....with you its like shooting fish in a barrel...

May 17, 2011 at 9:34 a.m.
chet123 said...

oh yeah...i can see a knife accidently going off and killing someone...or a knife use to kill 20people at the university...oh yeah a knife sniper....this a good one! a knife bank robber LOL LOL..i have another one!!a knife suicide LOL LOL...heres one for you libertarian4freedom!!former employee entering work-place knifing everyone to death.......so who going to be a fool and call for knife control...but you!!

May 17, 2011 at 9:57 a.m.
MountainJoe said...

Box cutters killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11/01. If the pilots, not to mention a few passengers, had been carrying guns that day, terrorists would never have been able to take over airplanes with box cutters. 3,000 Americans would still be alive and the towers would still be standing. So do we need more box cutter control, or less gun control? I vote for less gun control!

May 17, 2011 at 10:14 a.m.
chet123 said...

sorry mountainjoe...box cutter didnt kill 3000 peoples...why cant you guys tell the truth....and box cutter are now prohibited on airplanes...and DAO1980 can you think for your self or do you know anything about history...or are you just a clone....brain dead...need blogger to make your case!!!

May 17, 2011 at 11:14 a.m.
dao1980 said...

chet, I thought you liked MSNBC.

Also, maybe I misunderstand the definition of the word "blog", but I hadn't considered that an event covering news story would be classified as a "web log".

Though, I did spend a few years in a public school, so I can't really read, comprehend, or do maths very well.

Oh, and here's some more fer ya...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12313596/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/worshippers-attacked-egyptian-churches/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18992200

May 17, 2011 at 11:21 a.m.
chet123 said...

movie!.....so that how you are educated...no wonder your head is so messed up

May 17, 2011 at 11:22 a.m.
chet123 said...

i will get with you later DAO...right now its Libertarian.....libertarian can you see you are being used...guns control are not on the table...this issue was fought about 30 or 40 years ago.....noone is talking about taking your guns...but man you have to limit places to carry guns...and you always talk about other countries....let us get america straight first.....i have always beleived in guns...i hunt white-tails,,,,i have gun protection for my home....but you have to put a limit when owners want to take guns to church and resturant...i have seen too many road rage by license gun owner.....as i said ...you mess around and shoot the wrong person...you are going to jail(you will be someone girl-friend then libertarian)..you wont be so bad.....dont get crazy...gun maker are getting rich off you...politician use it as a politican football....dont let them get you in trouble bro

May 17, 2011 at 11:33 a.m.
dao1980 said...

chet,

I am currently engaged, so I don't really need to be getting "with" anyone these days.

Also, I suspect that you may not be my... er... type, if you know what I mean.

I sincerely appreciate the proposal though... bro.

dao

May 17, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
chet123 said...

Dao...my answer to your link...shooting in egypt...stay the hell away...bible say charity start at home...if they dont want us stay away....christain church cant witness in their own back yarn...do you understand this...see the shape our country is in

May 17, 2011 at 11:43 a.m.
chet123 said...

libertarian...can you talk without trying to create a boogeyman,liberal,liberal,liberal,,that dont work anymore...that out of lee atwater play book...to demonized your opponent...people are on to you...i'm a proud democrat...you too ashame to admit you are a republican...but you are a republican...own up to it

May 17, 2011 at 11:49 a.m.
chet123 said...

i hope you two dont run off....i think we are getting somewhere

May 17, 2011 at 11:50 a.m.
chet123 said...

see you...looking for links ...i info is in my brain...very familair with america politic and history....i dont need lies from links

May 17, 2011 at 11:52 a.m.
chet123 said...

are you there???you respond too slow...be back later!!!

May 17, 2011 at 11:53 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Maybe I misread the Egypt story.

I thought it was a report of "knife wielding assailants".

That was really my only point, not that anyone should or should not be proselytizing.

May 17, 2011 at 11:59 a.m.
chet123 said...

libertarian...i can see...you have mental problems...noone after you buddy....when your time come..it will come..maybe in a automobile accident.....you going to find yourself in jail buddy.....then you will belong to someone....the prisoners will fight over you...you will be someone girl-friend...i dont know about pistol shooting but you do a lot of shooting that mouth off...one day someone going to call your bluff....i will send you a christmas card while you in jail

May 17, 2011 at 2:35 p.m.
rolando said...

The 2nd Amendment is clear, Grandmast; it is "keep and bear arms".

It follows that the right to bear one doesn't necessarily mean to bear your own firearm; the right to keep one means you can keep your own...however, the "and" means your can carry your own.

May 17, 2011 at 9:13 p.m.
Echo said...

Dear Chet,

In case you missed it, Mountain Joe handed your a$$ to you about 16 posts ago. The Agony of Defeat! Why not just go back to the Daily Kos where plenty of naive bed-wetters will agree with your broken logic.

As for mass shootings - As tragic as they are, they represent a tiny fraction of gun crimes but attract a lot of media attention as they are ratings magnets and support the leftist gun control agenda. It proves that by the time the 3rd person is shot, number four could shoot back if they were carrying a handgun. Columbine, Foot Hood, Virgina Tech, Coolidge Park what do they have in common? They are all "Gun Free Zones"

What is not reported is the 2 million crimes prevented annually by people with guns in their homes and businesses and permit holders in public places.

The only confusion in GA is among the ignorant and uninformed. Open Carry is legal in Georgia. Get used to it.

May 17, 2011 at 9:29 p.m.
rolando said...

There is a real question as to whether or not this is your America any longer, nucanuck. You voluntarily left us for the not nearly as populous country up north...which is your right, of course.

You have chosen to not only take the less-traveled road, but to end up in a relatively self-isolated island up there.

Must be nice to sit in judgement of us poor Americans in Jesusland, telling us we should be nice to each other.

May 17, 2011 at 9:31 p.m.
chet123 said...

i'm back...see you boys are getting all worked up....guess you cool headed pistol packer are ready to kick butt now LOL LOL..keep talking libertarian....say you have 4 millions,hmmm small army, so you boys have a militia...hmmmmm so who you going to kill...your wives LOL LOL....folk see what you get with male testosterone running crazy...who in there right mind going to trust these gomers

May 18, 2011 at 11:27 a.m.
chet123 said...

LOL LOL libertarian advising me to read ANN(air head)COULTER...thats his gospel LOL LOL LOL...better to keep mouth closed and be thought of as a fool than to open it and remove all doubts libertarian.....can you think for yourself ...see DR CHET is going to have your head examined..LOL LOL "ANN COULTER" LOL LOL

May 18, 2011 at 11:36 a.m.
chet123 said...

see you kissing up to each other(great point rolando kiss kiss)LOL LOL you best get all your boys from floyd barber shop to help you gomers...

May 18, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
chet123 said...

echo..you mention coolidge park...what you going to do shoot back LOL LOL

May 18, 2011 at 11:41 a.m.
chet123 said...

libertarian you idiot ...can you talk without taking your conversation to cuba and venezuela.....i would leave cuba if i had a country(American) giving away flordia(thanks republican) LOL LOL..who's the dummy here LOL LOL

May 18, 2011 at 11:50 a.m.
chet123 said...

Libertarian...says law-abiding citizen LOL LOL ...law-abiding until you kill someone....LOL LOL

May 18, 2011 at 12:01 p.m.
MountainJoe said...

I sure hope chet123's mommy gets him away from the keyboard soon. Or at least teaches him how to use spelling and grammar check. (Too bad computers don't have an "IQ check" function.)

May 18, 2011 at 1:26 p.m.
chet123 said...

mountain....i'm smarter than you with half a brain....i dont give a rat butt about spelling...this not composition english 101..what you going to do flunk me! pee wee...you are a dummy with america history...rely on link..and hate blogger...i have forgot more than you will ever know

May 18, 2011 at 1:50 p.m.
chet123 said...

yeap...i have a mommy alright...may be your sister

May 18, 2011 at 1:51 p.m.
chet123 said...

you the dumb butt that said 3000 people was kill with a box cutter....what a stretch..lol lol

ps...still checking for spelling...air head!

May 18, 2011 at 1:54 p.m.
CAPTDASH said...

Hmm so much bad information here from both sides. Let's first clear this up. GA does not have any form of a concealed carry license for firearms. We simply have a GWL (GA Weapons License). I am ashamed of those of you who are pro-gun and do not even know what kind of license you have. Ga does not require any training because the Constitution doesn't require it. Hopefully at some point we will have Constitutional Carry in this state and country.

Chet you idiotic Liberals continue to lie and misrepresent the truth about guns much like the uneducated author of this article. I would expect better of a LSU grad. I challenge you, provided you are willing to give up your Memorial Day weekend, to find one instance where a LAW-Abiding Gun Owner has been convicted of malicious crimes you continuously spout off about. You bring up the school shootings. These were CRIMINALS who happen to love your LIBERAL, ANTI-GUN STANCE. You see if these people who are smart enough to go to college are too stupid to responsibly carry a weapon for self preservation, then something is wrong with the logic of education in the first place. I bet you are willing to say that a 17 year old is too young to own a weapon, but we have teenagers carrying M4 rifles in Iraq & Afghanistan right now protecting what little freedoms you liberals allow us to have.

It is a shame that the Probate Judge mentioned in this article is TOO Stupid and obviously too Liberal to know the law. CHURCH CARRY in GA is expressly ILLEGAL. It is not up for a vote at the local BAptist Church. On the other hand, I bet if Muslims wanted to carry in their Mosques, you Liberals would bend over backwards to accommadate them. What idiots you people are. There is no right and left in our country. There is ONLY Right & Wrong, and you Libs are obviously on the WRONG side. You are the ones who contribute to the declination of this country.

In AZ yesterday, a LIBERAL JUDGE found Loughner,(the AZ SHOOTER) INCOMPETENT to stand trial. How assinine is that? Yet you Libs wat to blame LAw Abiding Citizens for LEGALLY carrying their weapons as the source for such crimes. Tis,Tis

The article says people get freaked out when observing a person Open Carrying a weapon. It should say that SHEEPLE get freaked out at a person exercising their 2nd A Right. Liberals don't mind jumping up and down to Protect the 1st A. Why is the 2nd A singled out as not worthy? RAYES, a LAfayette LEO says he wishes he was wearing his. Why? Is he somehow not able to exert his AUTHRITE on a law abiding citizen without his weapon? Now who is on a power trip? Is it LEO's who frequently bust in innocent people's doors in the middle of the night, or law abiding citizens? Is it LEO's who frequently kill people's dogs in their yard, or Law Abiding citizens? I think the answers are obvious.

May 26, 2011 at 9:30 a.m.
CAPTDASH said...

Ms. Burris says OCn draws attention. She is right. When I enter the local malls or Walmart, the thugs "walking around with their pants on the ground" pull up their pants and depart the area. If criminals leave the public to their shopping, then what is wrong with that? Would you rather count on some fat mall ninja who is down in the food court stuffing his face to protect you? COPS,aka Mall Security are ALWAYS minutes away when seconds count.

SGT MEEKS is another idiot cop who thinks his authorite is the best way to serve and protect when LEO's like him are too ignorant to see the fallacy in their logic.OCn probably does more to deter crime than any other form of crime prevention in this country.

GET OVER IT SHEEPLE AND LIBERALS. LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS ARE HERE TO STAY, AND MULTIPLY. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GO LIVE IN CUBA, MEXICO, OR ANY 3RD WORLD COUNTRY OF YOUR CHOICE. GOOD DAY.

May 26, 2011 at 9:30 a.m.
Quest50 said...

HB 89 is the bill that made carry into restaurants that serve alcohol legal, and it wasn't passed last year. The law passed last year that got rid of the public gathering law was SB 308...

Carrying in a church is illegal no matter what the congregation "votes" on. There is no "holster requirement" in GA. The weapon does not have to be carried in a holster.

The author of this article needs to consider a new career, because this does not qualify as journalism, but it does qualify as negligence. If anyone follows the false information they read in this article, they will be breaking the law and will probably be arrested. It doesn't take much to read a few GA code sections to see what the law actually says, but I guess that's left to the real journalists.

May 27, 2011 at 4:14 a.m.
Quest50 said...

Almost forgot, open carry has been legal in GA for a lot longer than I've been alive.

May 27, 2011 at 4:15 a.m.
CAPTDASH said...

Here is the email response I got from the author: Danny,

Thank you for your criticism. I welcome any and all help to bettering myself as a reporter. While I should have talked with some attorneys and state officials who know there state laws, I would like to point out that every local official I spoke with told me the same thing. To me this was a learning experience not to just take local police and probate judges word on the laws. I will do a better job researching the law, and we did run a correction in the paper.

Once again thank you for reading, Joy Lukachick

May 27, 2011 at 8:13 a.m.
CAPTDASH said...

My response to her:

First of all, I would like to THANK you for your response. I have searched your website backwards and forwards. Please provide a link to the corrected article you speak of. I don't see it anywhere.

I apologize for being harsh but, the media tends to ONLY put a liberal spin on everything especially 2nd A rights. If someone was threatening your right to free speech and free press, you would have a team of lawyers suing them. Why do you not equally stand up for all 10 Inalienable rights? I don't get it.

I must continue to laugh at one thing. Your trust for lawyers and Govt Officials to give you the truth &/or laws about Gun Laws or anything for that matter is really laughable. Most of these people have NO CLUE. I offered you the exact subjects to find the GA STATE GUN LAWS, and I will guarantee you 99% of the lawyers and 100% of the Govt Officals would not have a clue what you are talking about if you were to ask them about any of the info I provided to you. I continuously educate LEO's all the time about their lack of knowledge of gun rights and laws.

I found the link to your article on this website. It has links to every states gun laws if you are so inclined to do some research and not just take my word. The link to your article was in the forums section. The Gun laws you can find in the links section. The site is www.georgiapacking .org .

I am also a member of the GeorgiaCarry.Org organization who fights for state gun rights for GA citizens. You can visit that website for a wealth of information, if you are so inclined to actually research before writing articles with bogus information. Thanks.

May 27, 2011 at 8:17 a.m.
freeman said...

911 can send help at 70mph. I can help myself at 800mph!!

May 27, 2011 at 6:42 p.m.
CausaMortis said...

This is an interesting discussion though it's disappointing to see some of the insults being thrown around. I thought I'd throw in my two cents. I'm a special agent with the FBI and assigned here in Georgia (previous assignment in the DC field office). I carry a Sig P250 (used to carry a P226). When not on duty, I carry a concealed P229 due to the nature of my job. However, if I was not an agent, I would not carry openly OR concealed unless I knew in advance that I would be in a dangerous situation or area. I'll explain in more detail below. First, though, I can already hear the responses to my "I would not carry" comment: "But there's no way to know when a seemingly harmless situation will become dangerous!". To an extent, that's true. But let's be honest -- the vast majority of Americans going about their normal business simply do not find themselves in situations in which they are truly in danger and the possession of a handgun

May 28, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
CausaMortis said...

Whoops...I accidentally hit post before I was finished writing. Here's the rest of my comment:

... is necessary for them to make it out unharmed. Do these situations come up? Of course. But the problem is one of judgment. It has been my experience that individuals who carry in case they encounter dangerous situations also tend to be far more likely to see situations as dangerous even when they really aren't. I have seen more than a few crime scenes in which a person carrying made a non-dangerous situation dangerous by virtue of their handgun and poor judgment. For example, I once saw a crime scene where an armed robber got whatever money he wanted from a store clerk and was on his way out the door when a "hero" in the store drew on the perp and shot. He missed and hit a person coming into the store and killed her. The robber then turned and shot this hero and killed him (this guy was wanted on federal charges for hitting a couple of banks in Virginia and West Virginia -- he was armed but did not fire his weapon in either if those robberies).

The problem isn't the gun itself but the person carrying the gun. When you put a gun into the hands of someone who is untrained, lacks good judgment, and/or who has some kind of hero complex (having seen too many episodes of "24", something that a lot of these hero types have in common...no joke), it often winds up that these "heroes" present more danger and cause more harm than the perps themselves. Sadly, there are far too many people on the low end of the IQ scale who have permits to carry. Thus, I agree that in order to get a permit, applicants should be required to receive substantial training, not just in the technical aspects of how to safely handle a firearm but with regards to when and where they should be used and (more importantly) when they shouldn't. Personally, I am not a big fan of guns, having seen the damage they can cause (both as an agent and when I was in the military). However, the Second Amendment establishes the right to possess them, and as such, people need to take personal responsibility with regards to their possession and use. Also, in response to the individual above who referred to gun possession as a "God-given right" -- No, sir...it is not. God didn't write the Second Amendment; our forefathers did. I'm pretty sure that guns aren't mentioned in any religion's foundational text...any major religion, that is. It makes me nervous to think there are people who believe that God has bestowed upon them their Glocks, Sigs, H&Ks, Barettas, S&Ws, etc. Anyway, that's my two cents. Gun owners, please be safe and responsible!
Thanks! -- CM

May 28, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
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