published Saturday, May 21st, 2011

Obama wants to set Israel border!

The modern nation of Israel was established after World War II, in 1948, within U.N.-set borders, as a refuge for the Jewish people who had survived Adolf Hitler’s extermination of 6 million Jews.

But Israelis have had to fight defensively and repeatedly to survive since then.

There were wars in 1948, 1967 and 1973. After some defeats and narrow victories, Israel fortunately was able to win them all. Obviously, it cannot afford to lose once!

Miraculously surviving, and defensively holding some territory lost by its attackers, Israel now is 263 miles long from north to south, 71 miles wide at its broadest east-to-west point — and only nine miles wide at its narrowest point!

But now President Barack Obama is meddling: He has endorsed the hostile Palestinian position that Israel should withdraw from some Israeli-held territory, to Israel’s borders in 1967.

Israel understandably objects. It is surrounded by hostile neighbors, and ceding part of its territory would only make it more vulnerable to military or terrorist attack.

Surely Obama has more appropriate, more pressing and more potentially productive duties as president of the United States than to urge Israel to surrender its vital defensive positions to people who do not even recognize its right to exist.

Israel obviously has no higher priority than to survive among its threatening enemies.

It is unfortunate that there is little prospect for real peace in the Middle East — peace that would benefit not only Israel, but also Israel’s would-be exterminators. But undue pressure from the United States on Israel is not going to bring peace to that region.

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hambone said...

Obama only proposed what G W Bush had already proposed. In my opinion they both are wrong.

May 21, 2011 at 10 a.m.
nucanuck said...

When you take land from others, you should expect unending efforts by the dispossessed to get their land back.

Israel is in a long-term untenable position that is unlikely to end well for Israel.

But certainly we should support Obama's effort to at least put forward a more balanced peace settlement stance than the previous administration. US positioning toward Israel has been so over-balanced that almost no other country in the world would stand with the US.

We sould praise a balanced foreign policy initiative rather than further isolate the US.

May 21, 2011 at 11:05 a.m.
librul said...

Why stop at the '67 borders? I'm with Helen Thomas - the Israelis should all pack up and go back to Europe - and take AIPAC with them.

May 21, 2011 at 7:55 p.m.
JustJames said...

The only solution for a lasting peace is absolute democratic process (that we Americans cherish so passionately) for the entire territory in question, otherwise, the peace will not last. All people who lived there without regard to religion, race, etc. should vote on how they would like their one country to be run. I favor one state solution because two states would only attempt to “legalize” Zionist occupation that will be remembered in history until it is corrected by future large scale conflicts, so no lasting peace will result. The only issue with the fair democratic process is what to do with all manipulated Jewish people who the Zionist regime imported for decades to increase the Jewish population from around 100,000 to over 5 Million since the start of the occupation. This is obviously an attempt to unjustly manipulate any future democratic process by forcefully increasing the occupier’s population at the expense of others. Any compromise other than the absolute fair democratic process with no manipulated population will be temporary with terrible conflicts looming to correct it in the future. The truth is that the Zionist regime will not accept any democratic process even if the manipulated Jewish population is included because it cannot exist as a democratic country as Zionists will be outvoted by all others who live there (Zionists were in an infinite minority before the occupation). The Zionist regime can only temporarily exist through the force of its arms as a one people country where only select ones can vote and where different laws apply to different people.
The world must stand up against the Zionist regime by cutting all diplomatic and economic relations with it. Many countries have already stopped all relations with the Zionist regime and others are in the process of doing the same. We Americans need to completely distance ourselves from this oppressive regime through urging our state representatives and senators to do what the rest of the world is doing.

May 23, 2011 at 10:41 a.m.
AlexaB said...

If it is ever reached, the current and any other artificial “peace agreement” will be illegitimate before it is ever signed because (1) all people living in Palestine regardless of religion, race, origin, etc. (hereinafter “All People of Palestine”) were never given a choice on how they want their land to be governed, and (2) all contracts signed under duress are null and void. The biggest problem in Palestine is that the Zionist regime never offered a choice to All People of Palestine on how they want to govern their land because the Zionist regime cannot exist as a democratic entity. If there was ever any democratic process in Palestine, Zionists would have been outvoted and the Zionist regime would have never existed. That is why the Zionist regime is the occupier because it does not offer choice (i.e. democracy), but instead imposes its regime (i.e. occupies). Imagine if Russians would simply occupy a town in the U.S. where they are in significant numbers and attempt to create a Russian state there without giving the rest of the Americans living there a choice. Imagine then if they would try to institute a “peace agreement” that would attempt to legitimize their occupation. The “peace agreement” would logically and legally be illegitimate because the Americans were not given a choice. Under all countries’ laws, any contract is null and void if it is signed under duress. The current Palestine “peace agreement” process reminds me of The Godfather movie where the mafia boss (i.e. the Zionist regime) made a guy “an offer he could not refuse” by placing a gun (i.e. Zionist conventional and nuclear arsenal) to his head and making him sign the contract. Like the mafia boss’ offer, any “peace agreement” other than the choice for All People of Palestine is a crime, and the contract is legally null and void. The bottom line is that All People of Palestine never wanted to divide their land into artificial two states the way the occupation and this “peace agreement” attempt to divide it. From the beginning of the Zionist regime to its unavoidable end, All People of Palestine and the region never wanted the Zionist regime and they do not want it even more after all the atrocities the Zionist regime committed. I just cannot believe how the Zionist regime can be so ignorant to think that this or any other “peace agreement” that does not allow people to choose how they want to be governed will last and ensure its people’s survival. The Zionist regime fails to realize that no matter if it succeeds in muscling this “peace agreement” by unspeakable historic coercion tens of millions of moral people around the world will oppose it until it is corrected, and until justice and free choice prevail. Also, ever increasing number of Jewish people are realizing that Zionism is becoming a destructive force for them and are leading the global resistance to it.

May 23, 2011 at 11:14 a.m.
FoxGee said...

The main Zionist claim is that they have a supreme right to some of Palestinian territory because they lived there thousands of years ago. Let’s examine the core and real nature of this claim. Firstly, this claim is mistaken and selfish in its core concept because Zionists fail to recognize that history is a continuum and that there were other people living in majority in Palestine before the Jews and also after the Jews. Zionists simply cut history at a convenient point for them and claim ancestral ties to the land as of that convenient point. Secondly, whatever the claim, it is beyond absurd to try to shape modern world based on thousands of years old maps. Imagine if the rest of the world would be reshaped by who was on the land thousands of years ago. It would cause horrific wars, countless refugees, and unimaginable human suffering, exactly what is happening in Palestine. Thirdly and most disturbing, Zionist goal was to establish a Jewish state wherever possible. Palestine may have been a preference, but Palestine was not the only location that Zionists planned as their state in modern times. Another location was Argentina where Jews have been migrating for hundreds of years for the purpose of establishing a state. Also, locations in Europe were on the list and that’s why the Catholic Church was killing/expelling Jews since Roman times (read the history of the Holly Inquisition). Whatever the location, Zionist plan was to simply occupy the people living on the land even if that would mean imposing a regime worst than Nazi Germany’s from which they escaped. And Zionists would just use a different ideological coloring than the one used in Palestine in the attempt to rationalize the occupation.

In conclusion, the main claim on which the Zionist regime is built in Palestine is erroneous, selfish, and a lie. I am categorically against generalizing, and recognize that many Jews are against the crimes the Zionist regime is committing and that many Jews are leading the global resistance to it. They should be proud.

May 23, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.
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