published Saturday, November 5th, 2011

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about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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OllieH said...

Don't tase me, bro!

November 5, 2011 at 12:24 a.m.
riverman said...

I am always amazed at how eager the Democrats are to illustrate how stupid their voters are. Once again, if one can't figure out how to obtain a picture ID then they should not be voting in the first place. Just like Florida in 2000, if you can't figure out a butterfly ballot you shouldn't be voting.

November 5, 2011 at 5:41 a.m.
FedUpWithBS said...

To all these these people that are crying foul on needing a picture ID to vote, get over it. You need an picture ID to cash a check? I don't hear you screaming and crying about that. If you don't want to get a proper ID to vote, then stay away from the polls. Plain and simple. Apparently there must be something you are hiding from if you refuse to get a picture ID. Or maybe you're a vampire and can't be photographed. ;-)

November 5, 2011 at 6:11 a.m.
EaTn said...

The right-wingers take the constitution like a restaurant menu. In Nashville they wasted no time to implement the right to bear arms but then turned around to implement a barrier for the right to vote then recently a barrier for the right to assembly. For years the state has allowed elderly drivers license holders to omit the photo but the legislation thought that grandma should be required to have one before allowing her to vote, which she has done for decades without one.

November 5, 2011 at 7:51 a.m.
rolando said...

Speaking of seditious acts and those bordering on voter/election fraud, ACORN, aka NYCC is at it again.

Just don't expect to see it on this rag...but it does re-title the two players in the cartoon above. The cop becomes ACORN/NYCC/DNC, the victim becomes HONEST ELECTIONS.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03/acorn-officials-scramble-firing-workers-and-shredding-documents-after-exposed/#ixzz1ciWRFEqa. Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change -- have fired staff, shredded reams of documents and told workers to blame disgruntled ex-employees for leaking information in an effort to explain away a FoxNews.com report last week on the group’s involvement in Occupy Wall Street protests, according to sources.

NYCC also is installing surveillance cameras and recording devices at its Brooklyn offices, removing or packing away supplies bearing the name ACORN and handing out photos of Fox News staff with a stern warning not to talk to the media, the sources said.

“They’re doing serious damage control right now,” said an NYCC source.

NYCC Executive Director Jon Kest has been calling a series of emergency meetings to discuss last week’s report—and taking extreme measures to identify the sources in their office and to prevent further damage, a source within NYCC told FoxNews.com.

Two staffers were fired after NYCC officials suspected them as the source of the leaks, a source told FoxNews.com. “One was fired the day the story came out, the other was fired on Friday. (NYCC senior staff) told everyone that they were fired because they talked to you,” a source said.


This administration is tied to ACORN. It is the most corrupt organization in our history, intent on destroying our system of free elections.

November 5, 2011 at 8:21 a.m.
rolando said...

EaTn, you know durn well the Photo ID is no more of a "barrier" to free elections/voting than the requirements that they be 18 years of age and a US citizen.

If anything, the Photo ID requirement ensures the legitimacy and viability of the individual vote as well as the entire election process.

How will the Photo ID requirement help validate the voting process? Google "more votes than registered voters" for starters...

November 5, 2011 at 8:34 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Funny, how the Republicans were so quick to pass the photo ID bill, even though they were told not to do it by the Attorney General because it was illegal and unconstitutional. Their hubris has led them to be the joke of the nation. Passing a bill with no sensible way to implement it and worse leaving it up to the DMV's discretion as to what is required for proof. Some people have no problem getting a photo Id, but then some do. Isn't it interesting that minorities and Democrats are having the problems attaining the photo IDs? How about that? Different hoops for them to jump through.

Also, Thanks TNGOP for the waste of taxpayer dollars on this worse than Jim Crow era infringement on voting rights. Your stupidity and arrogance will help the Dems in 2012. Way to go!

November 5, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.
rolando said...

You favor ACORN's methods, sandyonthehill? You favor "more votes than voters"? Do you have a better suggestion to tighten up our voting requirements to validate our election process? How about the snowbirds who vote twice, once by absentee?

November 5, 2011 at 8:52 a.m.
alprova said...

Only Fox News would attempt to connect the dots between Occupy Wall Street and election fraud, and there is Rolando swallowing it just like fish bait.

Fox News clearly rubber stamps anything the Republicans do, so they have set themselves up to become the enemy of anything anyone does on behalf of those who align themselves with Democrats.

I parted ways with Fox News as a source of credible and neutral reporting of facts during the year that led up to Barack Obama becoming the President of these United States and nothing gives me any reason whatsoever to believe that their positions and political motivations have changed one iota.

November 5, 2011 at 8:53 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

sandyonsignal...please explain what's "the problem getting a photo ID"? Dang...most people in this country get whatever little extra added unneedful-things in life they want...i.e. cigarettes, beer, cable etc. According to you, its amazing just how 'the evil' Republicans will be the only ones that will have no problem obtaining the 'dreaded' photo ID's....

November 5, 2011 at 9:06 a.m.
alprova said...

Rolando is worried about Snowbirds voting twice. It has occurred. In fact, an article published today by New York Daily News outlines the problem.

http://www.fortreport.com/floridavoting/info/twice/

"One was Norman Siegel, 84, who is registered as a Republican in both Pinellas Park, Fla., and Briarwood, Queens, N.Y. Siegel has voted twice in seven elections, including the last four presidential races, records show."

"Siegel has voted twice in seven elections since 1988, including four presidential races, records show. Registered as a Republican at his home in Briarwood, Queens, and in Pinellas Park, Fla., Siegel has usually filed an absentee ballot in one or both places. Reached at his Florida home, Siegel interrupted a News reporter who was telling him that thousands of people are registered to vote in both states."

"That's illegal," Siegel interjected. "You have to pick one place as your residence and vote there."

Told that the records show he maintains registrations in both places, Siegel said he had not voted in Florida, then said he had not voted in New York. When he was told that records show he has voted in both places, Siegel cut off the conversation. "I have to go," he said.

The article reiterates, "Florida election officials were widely criticized after the 2000 election for instituting policies that resulted in thousands of African-Americans, who tend to vote Democratic, being turned away at the polls."

Rolando, I seriously doubt that you can tie any of the Snowbirds, either Democrat or Republican, to ACORN.

The fact is that voter fraud, as rare as it is, exists on both sides of the aisle.

There are not enough votes cast fraudulently to sway an election one way or the other. But that doesn't stop people from trying to, and trust me, the Republicans are just as guilty of it as Democrats are.

November 5, 2011 at 9:26 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

GreenKepi, the problem is in its implementation. We have 125,000 seniors without a photo on their driver's license. We have thousands more who never had a license. Only certain pieces qualify as a photo id. For instance, an ID issued by the Chattanooga Police to live in senior housing doesn't qualify. This is a hardship for those seniors.
It is difficult for many to make it down to a DMV. Several counties don't even have a DMV, and to wait in line. All counties have election commissions, why aren't they handling it? Shouldn't a voting record and registration be enough? They could verify this easier, but the legislature didn't want it to be easy. They wanted it to be arbitrary and capricious, and it is.

November 5, 2011 at 9:32 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Whew…this cartoon makes sense! To allow people just to walk into a polling location, register and vote immediately. I thought voting was a right, but I always thought it was a qualified right.

Don’t you have to be at least 18 years old, a citizen of our country, resident of the state and precinct, and not be a convicted felon still serving your term or mentally incompetent."

I always thought it good that the system is set up with all of these qualifications, yet under this idea, "we're supposed to take people's word for it?"

The 2nd Amendment also gives people the right to own a gun, but there are verifications and qualifications there, too…isn’t there?

November 5, 2011 at 9:34 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

I’m sorry…I got off talking about Rep. Keith Ellison’s spin-off of the non-photo ID. He is pushing H.R. 3316 and its companion H.R. 3317 to do what I just mentioned….

November 5, 2011 at 9:39 a.m.
alprova said...

GreenKepi wrote: "Dang...most people in this country get whatever little extra added unneedful-things in life they want...i.e. cigarettes, beer, cable etc."

How many people are not going to be aware of the fact that they are going to have to present a photographic I.D. to election officials until election day?

Not everyone reads a paper or watches the news. There are people in this nation who don't even have a television in their homes, believe it or not. As painful as it is, and as misinformed as they may well be, these people still have a right in this nation to cast their votes on election day.

As a part of the new law, is there a requirement that the state take action to notify people of the new law? Of course not. It is up to the people themselves to comply with it and to be informed of it on their own.

And if obtaining an acceptable, state approved photographic identification was as easy as walking down to the corner market for cigarettes and beer, I would see your point.

"According to you, its amazing just how 'the evil' Republicans will be the only ones that will have no problem obtaining the 'dreaded' photo ID's...."

I dare say that no one who has ever voted for a Republican is without a current photographic identification in their pocket now.

There are scores of people in this nation who vote for Democrats who do not have photographic identification.

And that right there is the problem and the purpose of a law passed to exclude such people from their right to vote. The Republicans behind such legislation know full and well the chances of excluding someone who might cast a vote their way, is next to nothing.

November 5, 2011 at 9:44 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Yes, Green Kepi, that is how you vote. That is how Wamp, Fleischmann and all got elected. Voter fraud occurs when you outsource the results to third party groups with special interests like Airnet and Smartech of Chattanooga. Remember this Ken Blackwell outsources Ohio election results to GOP interest operatives again

November 5, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.
ricardo said...

The victim should have been a 100-year-old black woman.

November 5, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.
acerigger said...

It seems as though Faux Newz is the only ones out with the nycc/acorn story. If there are other news org.s out there with it, I can't seem to find them?

Can someone point me in the right direction?

November 5, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.
lumpy said...

You lefties have no chance of convincing anyone that a photo ID is a stumbling block to voting, none. You muddle, distort, twist and create gray areas that are really black and white. The only way you get elected, as in the case with Obama, is to hide who you really are.

In this country the poorest of the poor are walking around with cell phones with cameras on them, Illegal aliens have cell phones with cameras on them. People take photos of their pets. Ridiculous.

You Democrats have no problem keeping members of the military who are overseas from having their votes counted, you don't like when a state cracks down on illegal aliens by demanding they identify themselves, like the rest of us have to, and now you don't want this.

November 5, 2011 at 10:06 a.m.
mymy said...

acerigger:

You and yours are the ones watching "Faux News". You miss a lot of what is really going on watching the Democratic Cheerleader News. There is plenty of both sides on Fox to make me throw up at times, but at least I get more info.

sandyonsignal:

That stove in mint julep and pumpkin colored kitchen island must be playing tricks on your brain which seems to be colored with wrong/strange ideas. Done with the help of your “Tallanted” interior designer that has help you for years or is it the brainwashing of the liberals that has been helping for years.

November 5, 2011 at 10:34 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Oh my my, obsess much?

November 5, 2011 at 10:51 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Photo IDs for voting is a solution looking for a problem. Cases of known voter fraud are so few and far-between, it's laughable to even be talking about it. But while our economy is in the tank with no sign of improvement on the horizon, and more than 25 million people are unemployed, this is what the Republicans choose to spend their time on.

I completely understand why the super rich and big business support the Republican party - they are shacked up together in the Love Motel. But why do you others keep voting for them and defending their obviously biased and self-serving policies that in the end will come back to bite you in the butt? You might not be hurting now, you might be cozy in your comfort zones of supposed financial security. But just continue to vote these elitist arrogant fascist slobs into office and you will find yourself in a world of hurt soon enough and having to face the stark realization that you are one of the 99 percenters after all, whether you want to admit it or not.

November 5, 2011 at 11:15 a.m.
mymy said...

Sandy: Oh my my a typical response from the left? BTY that 1% the left is obsessed with starts in the mid-300,000 range. If it fits, pay more taxes voluntarily and shut up. Most of us don’t want more taxes to be wasted by government.

Re voting: the way this country is headed the system needs to be protected or suffer the consequences.

You have a good day obsessing while I am having a good day.

November 5, 2011 at 11:40 a.m.
hambone said...

Why do so many boneheads think requiring a photo ID will do anything to stop voter fraud? To some extent I can see where it will harm the republican vote too.

The point is that republicans think it will suppress democratic turn out.

What little voter fraud there is always involves mis-conduct by poll workers and requiring a photo ID won't stop that at all!

November 5, 2011 at 11:45 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

right on target hambone,

National ID card and mandatory voting for all adults. Voting shouldn't be a right, it should be a responsibility and a legal obligation just like taxes. Elections should be held on Saturdays. Lets hear from everybody.

November 5, 2011 at 12:18 p.m.
acerigger said...

I repeat, "It seems as though Faux Newz is the only ones out with the nycc/acorn story."

Even Google don't help, leads me to believe Faux Newz may be making sh*t up again.

November 5, 2011 at 1:46 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Voter ID again? The Wart looks ridiculous when he obsesses over one topic when there is so much going on that really deserves attention.

November 5, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.
mymy said...

BRP: what is going on that needs attention is mostly neg. re the "Dim"ocrates so they don't want to "talk" about it. Not only is Obama worse than Carter, his administration is going to be the most corrupt to boot. There is a lot wrong with both sides, but do you think this bunch can understand and admit their sides failings. Not holding my breath.

The reason The Wart has this spot is because of the TFP views, etc. If there was any honest investigative reporting on city government, HRH Littlefield and co. would be long gone. We need another "sting" in this town.

Want to make a bet on what the Election Commission will do re The Recall?

November 5, 2011 at 3:26 p.m.
rolando said...

While alpo haunts huffpo, moveon.org, G. Soros and the NY Times mining their trash for tidbits, I present another, much more balanced, news center in a report of how ACORN/NYCC is removing and storing ACORN documents from their NYCC offices, firing employees right and left, shredding reams of documents [before the subpoenas hit], telling its people how to respond to FoxNews questions, handing out photos of its reporters, and how to avoid them altogether.

Did anyone on the left really expect to see something remotely critical of The Obama, his administration, or his beloved organizations, past and present, in the MSM/TFP? Especially on Bennett's blog? Not bloody likely.

One thing though, the 2000 words or so alpo wrote defending or minimizing my comment about snowbird [dual state] voting was something...although I didn't read it because he merely expanded on my comment.

November 5, 2011 at 4:22 p.m.
rolando said...

Voter fraud occurs when you outsource the results...

Yeah, sandyoth, that's one way voter fraud can occur. Another is for people to vote who aren't eligible...something the Photo ID law is designed to stop. Preventing fraud is best done one step at a time. So, how do 18-year-olds prove their eligibility to vote when registering? Or how about a [legal] immigrant who became a US citizen? Photo ID of one sort or another, one must presume.

The main reason the left so vehemently opposes any kind of eligibility standard that will help stop voter fraud is simple; they will lose votes...the illegal ones. Those people vote Dem because they are the ones handing out the goodies to all and sundry...using other people's money, of course.

Photo ID checks also stop or alleviate another problem seen more and more often around the country...more votes cast than people registered to vote. [That one got The Clown elected to the Senate.]

November 5, 2011 at 4:30 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

"National ID card and mandatory voting for all adults. Voting shouldn't be a right, it should be a responsibility and a legal obligation just like taxes."

You seem to have forgotten, or more likely, never learned, that individual liberty is at the very heart of what this nation is all about. Your lefty buddies are all fired up about a requirement to show a photo ID if one chooses to cast a vote, and you are advocating forcing everyone to have a photo ID and forcing everyone to vote. I bet you're a big fan of Lenin, Stalin, Hilter and Mao, eh? You sound alot like them as they really enjoyed forcing their kooky ideas on other folks as well. This is exactly why the intelligence of anyone voting for leftist pols should be questioned. Your party is full of statist, authoritarian morons. Ya'll are so "open minded", that your brains have fallen out and you can't see that the kernel of your ideology (statism) is exactly what has caused 100+ million deaths at the hands of government actors in the past century.

November 5, 2011 at 4:56 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

As for you Al,

You keep pointing out that folks who are too ignorant to keep up with what is happening in the world are more likely to vote for the D ticket, and I just keep nodding my head and agreeing with every word of it.

November 5, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "While alpo haunts huffpo, moveon.org, G. Soros and the NY Times mining their trash for tidbits, I present another, much more balanced, news center in a report of how ACORN/NYCC is...blah blah blah"

I spend more time on the Fox News website than I do any of those that you attributed to me for musing for views. As for Fox News being balanced, well...that went out the window a decade ago and apparently you are the only one unaware of it.

Fox News apparently is the only outlet reporting any ties between OWS and the now defunct ACORN. It's laughable, it's stretching any sense of truth to the matter, and it's typical of the kind of reporting found on Fox News. When I need a good laugh, I tune in to 'em.

For serious news, I go between CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, and HLN.

"One thing though, the 2000 words or so alpo wrote defending or minimizing my comment about snowbird [dual state] voting was something...although I didn't read it because he merely expanded on my comment."

Maybe you need to go back and re-read my post and the link I supplied in it. If you think that my response was an expansion of your allegation that Snowbirds and ACORN have anything to do with each other, then you need to put down your crack pipe.

Your thought processes and your inherent beliefs are an enigma to behold. You might try to tune into another source for news other than Fox. You might learn a thing or two that Fox will never in a million years ever tell you.

And that is a good thing.

November 5, 2011 at 6:57 p.m.
alprova said...

SCOTTYM wrote: "You keep pointing out that folks who are too ignorant to keep up with what is happening in the world are more likely to vote for the D ticket, and I just keep nodding my head and agreeing with every word of it."

That doesn't change the fact that anyone who may not be as informed as you think you are, has the exact same right to cast their vote in opposition to yours.

I know that chaps your behind to no end, but that Constitution that some like yourself keep harping about, guarantees it.

November 5, 2011 at 7:02 p.m.
rolando said...

So you now allege a non-existent connection exists between ACORN and dual-state voting, al. How provincial.

Go back to your Canadian Mist-laced crystal. It holds you in better stead then trying to debate here...

And I never read past your first paragraph. It says everything you are going to say in a lot less space.

November 5, 2011 at 7:33 p.m.
tderng said...

165 photo ID's issued TODAY in the Chattanooga area.On the first Saturday of each month Tennessee DMV will open so that people who need to can get a photo ID so they can vote.Dang,kinda shoots down that thing about trying to keep people from voting doesn't it?

November 5, 2011 at 8:01 p.m.
rolando said...

Yeah, all those thousands of people with no hanging chads to gripe about...

November 5, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

It must really aggrieve you pigs to watch your country become a true melting pot. Another 20 years and you'll be a bunch of Andy Rooneys, but without the insight. Just the eyebrows.

November 5, 2011 at 9:45 p.m.
lumpy said...

How stupid to believe that Republicans want to supress Democrat turnout. How absolutely stupid. Where's the hard evidence. There is evidence of Democrat voting corruption, supression and much intimidation over the years, and you Dems know it.

Democrats, or lefties, are really good at projection. They accuse others of the very thing they're guilty of.

In 2012 Dem voter turnout will be down. It won't be because anyone is stopping them from voting, it'll be because Obama is a fraud and they're angry at being duped.

November 5, 2011 at 10 p.m.
hambone said...

Many, many, many, years ago when I registered to vote I had to go down to the election commission office and prove my name, my age, my address and swear there was no reason that I wasn't eligible to vote. Each time I have moved I have had to do about the same thing. Kast year when I went to vote I showed my Voter Registrstion Card and the poll workers checked the roll and allowed me to vote. No one knew me but they trusted the system that has been in place for years.

Next year when I go to vote I will show my Voter Registration Card and my picture ID. They will check the roll and allow me to vote. There won't be anyone there that knows hambone's picture from rolando's but they will let me vote because

they trust the system that has been in place for years!!!

November 5, 2011 at 10:07 p.m.
tderng said...

This country has always been a melting pot and anyone who follows the rules in coming here is welcome.America wouldn't be the great country it is were it not for immigrants.The only problem I have with immigrants are the ones who come to America and don't even try to melt into our society.Instead some come here and try to create the same society they left.Why bother even coming here if they liked it so much where they came from.Some come here and don't even try to learn our language.

November 5, 2011 at 10:19 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "So you now allege a non-existent connection exists between ACORN and dual-state voting, al. How provincial."

Those 46,000 people in Florida who registered to vote in two states did so of their own free will and without the assistance of anyone associated with ACORN.

Do you know why I know that? The answer comes from ACORN's own mission statement:

"The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) aims to organize a majority consituency of low- to moderate-income people across the United States."**

Snowbirds, for the most part are upper income folks. They most often own properties located in two states. They aren't on ACORN's radar screen.

"Go back to your Canadian Mist-laced crystal. It holds you in better stead then trying to debate here..."

You are the one who comes up with points that never make any sense whatsoever, and this one is no different from all the other garbage that you spew into the air.

"And I never read past your first paragraph. It says everything you are going to say in a lot less space."

Sure you do.

November 5, 2011 at 10:42 p.m.
acerigger said...

acerigger said...

It seems as though Faux Newz is the only ones out with the nycc/acorn story. If there are other news org.s out there with it, I can't seem to find them?

Can someone point me in the right direction? November 5, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.

Nearly 13 hours later,still no help!

Yeah, I think Rolando's Faux Newz story is fast going down the tubes. Try another one Ro' ol' buddy.

November 5, 2011 at 11:27 p.m.
davisss13 said...

Who would steal an elderly lady's vote with nary a twinge of conscience? A Republican, that's who.

96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID

GOP steals votes

November 6, 2011 at 8:06 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Columnist: Registering Poor To Vote ‘Like Handing Out Burglary Tools To Criminals’

Conservative columnist Matthew Vadum is just going to come right out and say it: registering the poor to vote is un-American and “like handing out burglary tools to criminals.”

“It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country — which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote,” Vadum, the author of a book published by World Net Daily that attacks the now-defunct community organizing group ACORN, writes in a column for the American Thinker.

“Encouraging those who burden society to participate in elections isn’t about helping the poor,” Vadum writes. “It’s about helping the poor to help themselves to others’ money. It’s about raw so-called social justice. It’s about moving America ever farther away from the small-government ideals of the Founding Fathers.”

GOP ZEALOT

November 6, 2011 at 8:08 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Wisconsin State Worker Fired After Telling Coworkers About Controversial Voter ID Policy | Chris Larsen, a mail room worker for the Wisconsin Department of Safety and Professional Services, was fired Thursday after sending an email to his coworkers alerting them to a memo circulated by the Department of Transportation that instructed DOT workers not to tell the public about free vote-only IDs, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports. An executive assistant in the Department of Safety and Professional Services confirmed the firing and said it is currently under review. Wisconsin’s new voter ID law allows those without identification to obtain a free vote-only ID, but if applicants don’t ask for it specifically, they are charged the normal driver’s license fee of $28. Larsen’s email instructed his coworkers “to tell anyone you know” about the free version of the ID. Larsen said he was told he was fired for “inappropriate email usage” and called his firing “insane.”

Republicans steal votes

November 6, 2011 at 8:15 a.m.
davisss13 said...

So you see, when the voter ID law goes into effect the GOP will NOT tell anyone about the free aspect because their end goal is not to prevent voter fraud, it's to disenfranchise as many voters they think will go dem. It's so transparent. Y'all should be ashamed of this unAmerican behavior but you aren't. You're Atwater/Rove acolytes who will do and say anything to get back into power.

You shout and scream about the constitution and freedom yet you have no problem stealing votes from US citizens.

November 6, 2011 at 8:48 a.m.
rolando said...

It has nothing to do with disenfranchising the legitimate voters, daviss. Quite the opposite. The Photo ID law validates their votes while eliminating the illegal ones...and the illegal ones are the ones the Republicans are aiming for.

November 6, 2011 at 9 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Who would put up roadblocks so the elderly find it difficult to vote? REPUBLICANS, that's who. Morals and values? WHERE? All I see is ruthless political animals who consider anyone outside the cult to be as bad as Al Queda, even a 91 year old black woman.

After long wait, no seat , voter, 91, quits on ID

MURFREESBORO — Ninety-one-year-old Virginia Lasater has voted and worked in campaigns for some 70 years. But Wednesday she ran head-long into the barrier Tennessee's new voter photo ID law is throwing up for some elderly people.

Recently moved to Murfreesboro from her farm in Lewisburg to live with son, Richard Lasater, she registered to vote Wednesday at the Rutherford County Election Commission office but that afternoon found herself facing long lines at the driver's license testing center in Murfreesboro. She's never had a photo ID on her license, even though she's still capable of driving and goes to Sunday school.

Aided by a walking cane to get around, she quickly decided she couldn't stand up long enough to wait and her son could find no chairs available for her to sit. Richard estimated at least 100 people were in the building, and workers were "way overworked and way understaffed." He was told at the help desk there was nothing they could do but wait.

They left, upset about the law and the long lines.

Republican disenfranchisement strategy

November 6, 2011 at 9:03 a.m.
rolando said...

The Photo ID checks are merely one additional step in validating our voting process, hambone. There are a number of additional steps that can be taken to further validate it.

Personally, I like it when my legitimate vote counts and an illegitimate one doesn't. That's the way our voting system was designed to work.

Blind trust means little in today's multi-cultural, diversified United States. A pity, that. We have lost something important.

Today, everyone needs to show a valid photo ID to do almost anything in the commercial world...now they need to do the same at the polling place.

November 6, 2011 at 9:05 a.m.
davisss13 said...

rolando said...

It has nothing to do with disenfranchising the legitimate voters, daviss. Quite the opposite. The Photo ID law validates their votes while eliminating the illegal ones...and the illegal ones are the ones the Republicans are aiming for.

You sir, are a shameless liar. It isn't about voter fraud at all, it's about you degenerates setting up as many roadblocks to keep the poor, the elderly and minorities from voting. I have absolutely -0- respect for anyone who would sink that low. Morals and values?

By the way, I've read your comments here and I know you are a shameless GOP propagandist of the worse kind. You and your ilk are a disease.

November 6, 2011 at 9:06 a.m.
rolando said...

And you sir are a complete, unmitigated, totally self-centered dolt who cannot see beyond his next welfare check.

Did the old lady get her photo ID or not? So stop whining about it.

You belly-ache about a couple "bumps in the road" over a newly passed law, refusing to see the road-grader coming up behind you and smoothing its way as it goes. New laws work like that; they all have Unintended Consequences that need worked out.

The system now works quite well, thanks to the old woman, as demonstrated by the local DMV weekend work. Kudos to her.

November 6, 2011 at 5:29 p.m.
DarkSky said...

Wait, isn't this more government? Why aren't the Republicans opposed to this?

If your not on the rolls, then you can't vote. To get a voter card, you have to have proof of address and proof of citizenship. When I go to vote, they ask me for voter card and I.D. Why do we need more than that?

This reminds of WW2 movies and shows when the german soldiers ask "Papers Please"

November 6, 2011 at 5:50 p.m.
rolando said...

All you need to vote is a guv'ment issued photo ID of some sort -- a drivers' license, HCP would do just as well. Better yet, a passport. Evidently, the old lady had never had any of them.

Our guv'ment can keep better track of us now then the Krauts ever did. The new Photo ID probably has a squawker that responds to electronic queries when you buy gas or go through a tollbooth or some such.

And that sounds paranoid but it is certainly within the technology. Now what did I do with my tinfoil hat???

November 6, 2011 at 6:08 p.m.
rolando said...

DarkSky...The Federal Government does have certain constitutional duties such as ensuring a legitimate voting process, so this is not "more government" [like the DOE, DoEd, DoHS, HUD, et al.] This is better government.

November 6, 2011 at 6:18 p.m.
davisss13 said...

"Wisconsin State Worker Fired After Telling Coworkers About Controversial Voter ID Policy"

How about this kind of bull? To me this proves you GOPers are only interested in stealing votes by setting up as many roadblocks as you possibly can. This guy was fired because the GOPers decided they didn't have to mention free IDs after all, even though they always promise they'll be easily available. You sir, are nothing but a lying GOP propagandist who has absolutely no problem stealing as many Dem votes as you possibly can.

You are a tool. Your party's goals are clear. Every since you degenerates stood on the bodies of the 9/11 victims for your unAmerican, undemocratic 'permanent majority' AKA the DEATH OF DEMOCRACY in the US I've known you have no limits to how low you will go.

November 6, 2011 at 8 p.m.
DarkSky said...

Rolando, this is more government. It cost more to make this happen. More paperwork, more state employees, more $$$, more regulation. The old system was working fine. Why change it? Why the extra steps?

How is this less government? It's not the feds passing this. It's the state of Tennessee and some other states.

Conservative republicans should be up in arms about this new law. It cost more $$$$$ to fix something that wasn't broken.

November 6, 2011 at 9:50 p.m.
rolando said...

I never said the Photo ID law created "less government", DarkSky.

I said the government [state and federal] has certain legitimate duties it must perform. Performing those duties is its primary job. Ensuring a viable voting process is one of them.

The duties were always there...as the population grows, so does the overhead required to perform those duties. If that is "growing government", then God help us. Creating new departments without a mandate is "more government".

Money spent on ensuring a viable voting process is money well spent...certainly better spent than forgiving billions in essentially unregulated college student loans, for instance...or foreclosure/poor loan bailouts.

The old system was not "working fine". If it was, why the dual-voters or more votes cast than registered voters? [Those may or may not be TN issues, but they are nationally.] Perhaps the upcoming election will show the importance in passing this law.

The process must have been broken...look at all the wheezy gripes and the single pitiful anecdotal example shown in opposition to fixing it. So far as I have seen, that has only been only such example. Finally, the policy misinterpretation that caused it has been corrected.

November 7, 2011 at 6:27 a.m.
ibshame said...

Since the U.S. Constitution was written 27 Amendments have been added to it. Of those 27 Amendments four address voting issues. The 15th-gave Black Males the right to vote, 19th-gave females the right to vote, 24th removed poll taxes as impediments to voting and the 26th gave 18 year olds the right to vote.
Unfortunately, the 15th and 19th amendments were completely ignored in the South and in their places with the sanctions of state governments, roadblocks were implemented to keep Blacks from exercising their Constitutional Right to vote. Everything from poll taxes, to literacy tests, to intimidation and even to murder were all tools used across the South in particular to keep Blacks from voting. It was not until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed that made it a federal offense to interfere with the rights of people qualified to vote that those barriers were once and for all removed. Now we come to the 21st Century and 34 States are attempting once again to place barriers to voting. It is the height of ignorance to say this photo id requirement is not a barrier. It affects those most likely who are unable to get to the places to get a photo id without at least some type of hardship. If they don't get the photo Id then voters are told they can vote absentee. Never once telling those same people their votes can be challenged if they indeed are not absent or meet the requirements to get an absentee ballot.
Then you have the high and mighty who think that if one can't get a photo id then they shouldn't be able to vote. Yet these same people would rally and picket all day if more gun control laws were established instead of fewer. Only the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution addresses the gun issue and it's really vague and been left to interpretation as to what exactly the framers meant when they added it to the Constitution. However, you let someone interpret it literally to mean it only applies to a militia and one would never see the likes of rallies and pickets. What else would explain a law that allows someone to take a gun into a drinking establishment? Of course, the arrogance and stupidity of the jerk who co-sponsored that one is still a story for prime time when he got caught drunk with a gun in his car. According to the law he co-sponsored, he was not suppose to have even one drink since he knew he had a gun in his car.
If the courts were overrun with voter fraud the way they have been with DUI cases then one could make the case it is serious enough to be addressed. But just as requiring a Driver's license to drive does not deter some from driving drunk (and one in particular not only from driving drunk but also with a loaded gun in his car) having a photo ID is not going to prevent voter fraud if someone is truly intent on committing voter fraud.

November 7, 2011 at 9 a.m.
DarkSky said...

I've done some research and what I'm finding was mostly problems with eletronic voting machines and long lines for the 2008 elections. Also found instances of poll workers commiting fraud and other officals commiting fraud. Different people having the same name is a problem. Being registered to vote in 2 different locations but only voting once is a problem.

Apparantly the type of voter fraud Rolando posted about, by the voter, is as rare as getting struck by lightning. And it's mostly ex-felons not snow-birds. There are huge fines and jail time involved for those that are caught.

This new law is about dis-enfranchising voters. It will cost millions of dollars to enact. It will be more government and more bureaucracy.

Voting photo I.D. is the hope of the GOP to gain themselves a few % points in the coming elections.

November 7, 2011 at 9:49 a.m.
DarkSky said...

my spelling was bad in my last post. eletronic---hahaha!

November 7, 2011 at 1:03 p.m.
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