published Tuesday, November 8th, 2011

Team USA

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Oz said...

The so called 99% would be better off starting their own corporation. Ben and Jerry did it but that would mean going to work.

November 8, 2011 at 12:05 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Capitalist oligarchies function alright for the few, but capitalist social democracies are the best that man has yet devised.

November 8, 2011 at 12:49 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

You'd ask him to file his nails too if he was shoving them up your a$$end on every play.

Looks kind of like Romney, but he has never filed his own nails in his life so it can't be. Probably a repugnant heistman candidate and the next guy to out poll Romney.

November 8, 2011 at 1:21 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"The so called 99% would be better off starting their own corporation. Ben and Jerry did it but that would mean going to work." - Oz

That statement is so absurd it's hardly worth the dignity of a response. Yet it cannot go without its absurdity being noted. There seems to be a large share of you boot-lickers of the rich and infamous who think that everyone is supposed to be an entrepreneur and a self-made zillionaire, and if one is not or does not at least aspire to be, then that person is just a lazy bum and an abject failure.

Not everyone is blessed with the innate drive and determination, let alone the vision and the intelligence, to be a John D. Rockefeller or Andrew Carnegie or Steve Jobs. If everyone were an entrepreneur and rich, who would do the real work of getting things done? There are many people who derive much more out of life than working 60, 70, 80 hours a week and dealing with the stress of running their own business. If you want to do that, go for it, and thank god there are people who do, we need them. But we need the blue collar workers too and they should be able to do their jobs proudly and to make a decent living doing what they do. Don't project your own limited view of the world onto everyone else and think that the only way to live a purposeful and fulfilling life is just how you see it... in dollar signs and corporations.

Also, many of the rich are not enterprising and hard working in the least; they are simply living large and lazy off of inherited wealth, all the while taking advantage of tax loopholes that only the rich can benefit from. You idolaters of the one-percent are quick to squawk about lazy welfare bums but rich lazy bums and corporate welfare bums are the worst kind.

November 8, 2011 at 1:43 a.m.
dougmusn said...

@Oz: Even if I had the drive of a Ben/Jerry and the kernel of an idea for my own corporation, the banksters sitting on their piles of cash have not shown a willingness to LEND ANY CASH. They mumble something about "confidence" and their fiduciary responsibility to their stockholders, thus permitting a justification for huge bonuse$. Good luck, B&J!

November 8, 2011 at 5:40 a.m.
EaTn said...

The photo of the slick place kicker type dude reminds me of Bobby Corker--another article in TFP states that Corker's reelection coffer now stands at $6.5 million. Until the gullible part of the 99% stop playing the part of "a fool and his money will soon be parted", we can expect the wealthy will keep relieving the workers in this country of their hard earned money.

November 8, 2011 at 6:17 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Thou shalt covet? NOT.

Complications protect the rich/the ins from competition by the poor/the outs. So give us low simple taxes, no loopholes. 9-9-9! Get rid of laws that make it hard to earn more, hard to get into a business: let the poor paint "taxi" on their cars and sell rides, or paint "barber" on their porches and sell haircuts and braids, and so on.

What works? The US economy grew faster A.D. 1840-1860 than it has grown in any 20-year-period since. In those days banks printed their own money. No Fed. So shrink the government. (Slavery wasn't the key then; the south wasn't outgrowing the north).

What doesn't work? Obama.

November 8, 2011 at 6:30 a.m.
MTJohn said...

AndrewLohr said...

Thou shalt covet? NOT.

Tell that to the 1%! Greed is the engine of the economic system that you and other libertarians advocate.

November 8, 2011 at 7:16 a.m.
lumpy said...

No, onetinsoldier, reminds me of Obama, the elitist masquerading as one of the people.

November 8, 2011 at 7:21 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Andrew is still pushing the sex fiend! What, is 9-9-9 the mark of the Anti-Anti-Christ?

November 8, 2011 at 7:28 a.m.
patriot1 said...

The 1% looks like he could be a Kennedy...possibly a Robert Jr or Patrick.

November 8, 2011 at 7:34 a.m.
EaTn said...

"patriot1 said... The 1% looks like he could be a Kennedy...possibly a Robert Jr or Patrick."

Ah, remember the days when we had some 1%'ers in Congress fighting for the 99% rather than the ones now fighting to spread the 1% wealth gap further?

November 8, 2011 at 7:45 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The US economy grew faster A.D. 1840-1860 than it has grown in any 20-year-period since. In those days banks printed their own money. No Fed. So shrink the government. (Slavery wasn't the key then; the south wasn't outgrowing the north).

No, but slave wages, unsafe working conditions, child labor, pollution, shoddy or dangerous products and fat cats getting rich off the backs of exploited workers certainly was key. Which is why we have the feds.

November 8, 2011 at 7:48 a.m.
conservative said...

It is both sad and revealing that lieberals believe 99% of Americans share their view of despair. This cartoon writer is one miserable man.

November 8, 2011 at 7:48 a.m.
EaTn said...

conservative---it's obvious that some of the 99% are gullible to believe the 1%, otherwise we wouldn't have folks like Bobby Corker in office.

November 8, 2011 at 8:14 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

You libs cannot understand the situation because you re blinded by the paradigm of wealth envy that has been instilled in you by your “progressive” leaders. “Progressives” have enabled the bad actors in the financial and business sectors as they meddle in the economy under the influence of lobbyists and their own lust for power. You will support your bloated government in their efforts to confiscate the wealth of all achievers based on the actions of the relatively few but very powerful bad actors. In the process you will be willing to destroy the engine of capitalism, all based on the fantasy that capitalism, not government involvement, is the source of our problems.

The answer to the problem is to address the bad actors directly. You will do nothing but harm if you lump the good and bad achievers together and confiscate their wealth for what you perceive to be your own interests.

November 8, 2011 at 9:16 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Excellent cartoon. Very appropriate.

November 8, 2011 at 9:19 a.m.
limric said...

Great cartoon Clay. Oh I would so like to see the battered player backhand that chicken hawk pussy next to him.

The political and economic leadership of the US has chosen to cartel profits and transformed the US economy to serve the colluding and unlawful oligarchy. The political and economic leadership of the US is bailing out failed paradigms with trillions of dollars while committing social injustice to its people. The political and economic leadership of the US, including the Congress, Senate, Administration and Supreme Court have become "Trojan Horses". The US banks are borrowing money at near zero interest from the FED, then lending it back to the US government (us) at even mere fractions higher interest than they are paying. The net interest margin made by the US banks by lending our own money back to the US federal government in the first 6 months of 2011 is 210 billion dollars.

Due to the rapacious looting and the purchase of a politically protected luxurious lifestyle, the people of the US are on the road to permanent serfdom under a police state. This democracy was not given to us on a platter. It is not the oligarchs alone, irrespective of their efforts. Either people of the US organize and they find political leadership to take this on or we are going to be in deep (er) trouble.

The failures of our representative govt. to address the current (any) critical issues have already produced catastrophic consequences. Now we are experiencing a major global paradigm shift and it is still unfolding. Thirty-two US states including California, Illinois, Nevada, Arizona, Florida, New Jersey and Michigan are on the brink of insolvency as their tattered and fading economy is direr than ever.

If there is not a major change or person willing to take on the unlawful oligarchy, ala FDR or JFK (see Executive Order No. 11110), I feel an inevitably in very near future the US government may order the police or military to martial law which may lead to a second American revolution.

There is no calamity greater than lavish desires, no greater guilt than discontentment and no greater disaster than greed” :Laozi

November 8, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
esaletnik said...

Oz said... The so called 99% would better off starting their own corporation. Ben and Jerry did it but that would mean going to work.that would mean going to work.

Yes indeed. If all the 99% went to work and acquired the wealth of Ben & Jerry everyone would be multi-millionaires. Certainly there are enough resources in the world to make everyone a multi-millionaire.

November 8, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.

Above are several excuses, by the left, for NOT doing or Not trying. Yet, blaming others and demanding that others pay for them. That's where we are today, folks. Do'ers and takers. Chose your side.

Rickaroo, read The Millionaire Next Door. You might be surprised who all is in the 1% or 2% of that matter.

A more accurate cartoon would have the 1% er in his/her executive suite as the owner of the team, owner of other businesses, perhaps the owner of the stadium. This an employer of hundreds or thousands directly and hundreds or thousands indirectly. Do'er. Provider.

But you lefties... tisk, tisk.

November 8, 2011 at 9:35 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

I don't mind that you are rich. In fact I want to be rich too. I just don't like it that you have bought my government!

November 8, 2011 at 9:37 a.m.
lumpy said...

I just read that OWS protesters in San Diego become violent when free food service ran out. They splattered urine and blood on the vendor's food carts.

Let's see, there's been pimping, drug use, rape, splattering blood, public masturbation, public urinating, public defecating, death threats, graffiti, perverts exposing themselves to children and, my favorite, a guy sneaking into other protesters tents to sniff women's feet.

There we have the liberal base for all the world to see, all 99% of them.

99% of chimps would display more decorum than that.

November 8, 2011 at 10:52 a.m.
limric said...

Thank you Rickaroo for pointing out the absurdity of the misinformed and easily manipulated by propaganda designed to direct them to act against their own interests.


Waterloo part 1

Read and lean:

Wall Street and the much of the vaunted 1% are running a confidence game. As great a scam as the Rothschild inspired panic of Waterloo. A dazzling edifice built on paper promises, gambling, bets and rampant speculations. Wall Street doesn’t manufacture or produce anything. Wall Street, however attractive it may appear, is built on paper. It has no real substantial foundation.

Wall Street speculation caused a 70% increase in the price of wheat from June to December 2010 and severe food crisis in more than 35 countries. However, there was no significant change in the global food supply or in food demand. They did the same thing with crude oil. The total value of Wall Street speculative financial derivatives reached more than $600 trillion – about 10 times global GDP. Wall Street’s speculative derivatives are virtually untaxed and banks often avoid paying tax on profits from selling derivatives. Every consumer is paying more for commodities including food and fuel due to the excessive speculation.

Modern day bank robbers wear grey suits and not masks. Rampant speculators, propagandists and financiers of Wall Street are all given some unfair advantage over the average consumers and taxpayers and the cumulative effect of the people seeing selfishness and bribery prevail over the public interest has been an undermining of the public’s trust, or outright disdain in our representative government. There’s no question that Wall Street is rigged against the average consumers and taxpayers.Wall Street jerry-rigged the system so that it always wins. If it loses trillions, the US Treasury will bail them out. – Corporate socialism.

50 trillion dollars in global wealth was erased/stolen between September 2007 and March 2009, including 7 trillion dollars in the US stock market, 6 trillion dollars in the US housing market, 8 trillion dollars in the US retirement and household wealth, 2 trillion dollars in the US individual retirement accounts, 2 trillion dollars in the US traditional defined benefit plans and 3 trillion dollars in the US non-pension assets. Greed, arrogance and incompetence created this massive meltdown, cost trillions, and still they come out richer and more powerful.

There were / are trillions dollars of new money taken from Americans to make deals and hand out outrageous bonuses. And when these trillions run out, they will come back for more until the dollar becomes junk. In case you haven’t noticed, the value of the US dollar declined significantly during the last 70 years. The value of the US dollar in 1940 was worth 2,000% more than the value of the US dollar now. That’s right 2000%!

November 8, 2011 at 11:03 a.m.
limric said...

Waterloo part 2

Robust financial markets don’t imperil capitalism per se, and are actually a good thing. BUT. In the early 1980′s Wall Street began to escape reasonable important regulations of the marketplace. The US government gradually adopted a “too big to fail” policy for the Wall Street, saving lenders with failing businesses from losses (remember the S&L bailout?). The demise of Glass Steagall act helped spawn the credit crisis by allowing the Wall Street to create financial instruments that allowed them to escape reasonable limits, including constraints on speculative borrowing and requirements for the disclosure of important facts. The extremely lucrative hedge funds and other risk management derivatives including credit default swaps don't fund or invest in growing businesses or industries one iota. The credit default swap market was the single biggest cause of the crash 4 years ago.

This suicidal capitalism built on rampant speculation eventually posed an untenable risk to the US economy—a risk that culminated in the trillions of dollars’ worth of the US government bailouts and guarantees that had the US government scrambling starting in 2008. In essence, the US government was extorted to replace private gamblers money with government capital so that money and credit flows wouldn’t stop, precipitating a depression. The con job was complete. As a result, Wall Street and large banks became impervious to the vital market discipline that true capitalism demands. The financial markets continue to understand that the US government would protect them in the future if necessary. This implicit guarantee by the US government is socialism pure and simple. It hurts true capitalism and stunts economic growth.

The top 6 US banks had assets of less than one fifth of US GDP in 1995. Now they have two thirds of US GDP. It has been conjectured that financial crisis was created by the biggest US banks to consolidate power. The big banks became stronger and more arrogant as a result of the bailout by the US Treasury. The big banks are turning that increased economic clout into more political power. Wall Street has undue influence on the US government policies. It is a Ouroboros, and reflects a complete failure of democratic representation for the other 99 percent Americans.

Oligarchy is the political power based on economic power. And it’s the rise of Wall Street in economic terms that it turns into political power. Wall Street will then continue to feed that back into more deregulation, more opportunities to go out and take reckless risks and capture trillions of dollars. Today thousands of Wall Street lobbyists manipulate our elected officials with huge campaign contributions that fund candidates who support their agenda. It matters not who is President. It is not ‘wealth envy’. It is not invidious coveting. It is only a demand of fairness.
There is however a class warfare being waged against Main St. and Middle America.

November 8, 2011 at 11:06 a.m.
conservative said...

Lumpy, you didn't mention reports of head lice, chimps pick fleas off each other, lieberals, lice.

November 8, 2011 at 11:11 a.m.
davisss13 said...

There we have the liberal base for all the world to see, all 99% of them.

Stay the course, wingnut. Worship the rich. Meanwhile, We the People will make our views heard.

43 Occupy protesters cited for blocking roadway in Chicago

Police say they issued citations to 43 Occupy Chicago protesters who blocked an intersection in the city's financial district then refused to leave.

Occupy Chicago organizers say the protesters were senior citizens who were objecting to proposed cuts to Social Security, Medicare and other benefits.

They linked arms at around noon Monday at the intersection of Jackson Boulevard and Clark Street. The intersection is near banks and a federal building that houses offices for the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Police say the incident lasted about an hour, and protesters were cited for impeding the flow of traffic.

OWS seniors

November 8, 2011 at 11:17 a.m.
davisss13 said...

conservative said...

Lumpy, you didn't mention reports of head lice, chimps pick fleas off each other, lieberals, lice.

No one mentioned either Cantor or Boehner.

November 8, 2011 at 11:18 a.m.
Oz said...

Rickaroo... You are correct. Everyone cannot be a job creator. I'm sure the Occupy Movement has some very creative and talented people in every city. If you take 10 of these people in every city brainstorming and putting an idea together. They just might put something together and provide blue collar jobs. If they don't like the current corporate model. Why don't they build a better corporate model? One they believe is socially responsible. They could provide better paying local jobs and made in the USA products. If OWS can raise $750,000 in NYC to protest. Surely they could raise money to start a socially responsible corporation. They claim to represent the 99%. That is a huge potential consumer market just waiting for the right company to come along. Money can be raised in the community without banks.

November 8, 2011 at 11:29 a.m.
MacGyverguy said...

Limric, very interesting posts. Do you write articles for anyone?

I understand some of the basis for the Occupy movements, but it seems like they are directing this effort to the wrong place. Laws and regulations are written in the blood of previous mistakes. Why would you protest organizations that haven't broken any laws or if they have, aren't being held accountable by the government? Why not protest to have laws or regulations created (or enforced) to stop this manipulation of the system? Isn't this the purpose of government?

November 8, 2011 at 12:20 p.m.
Oz said...

noooga...So you believe the Occupy Movement does not have 10 people competent enough to start and a run business? Things are worse than I thought.

November 8, 2011 at 12:31 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

MacGyverguy said... "Why not protest to have laws or regulations created (or enforced) to stop this manipulation of the system? Isn't this the purpose of government?"

Because they have been brainwashed to resent achievement. They have been taught that you can only lift yourself up by climbing on the backs of the "oppressed". They have been taught this by a political class that wants to increase the power of government for powers sake, not to properly regulate private industry.

We won't get a second American Revolution from this. We might get a repeat of the French Revolution on American soil though.

November 8, 2011 at 12:37 p.m.
acerigger said...

lumpy said...

I just read that OWS protesters in San Diego become violent when free food service ran out. They splattered urine and blood on the vendor's food carts.

Where'd you read that? Same place as Rolando's faux "acorn running OWS" BS?

November 8, 2011 at 12:47 p.m.
limric said...

MacGyverguy,

In answer to your question: “Do you write articles for anyone?” Yes, as a freelancer - mostly comedic - and of some ill repute.

I covered the OWS movement some weeks ago and I assure you, they are protesting to have regulatory laws reinstated and are vigorously addressing governmental corruption.

Unfortunately, comments such as “Because they have been brainwashed to resent achievement. They have been taught that you can only lift yourself up by climbing on the backs of the "oppressed". They have been taught this by a political class that wants to increase the power of government for powers sake, not to properly regulate private industry.” Is utterly false and affirms the absurdity of the propaganda designed to direct people to act against their own interests; Ignorant of any fact based analysis.

I'll write a inflammatory abridged version of my needlessly wordy earlier diatribe later if you want.

November 8, 2011 at 1:22 p.m.
acerigger said...

Thanks oz! I'm sure there are some bad people in and around the occupy crowd,but I'm also sure that they are nowhere near the majority.

November 8, 2011 at 1:52 p.m.

Iimric,

I deeply admire your rational approach to argue with conservatives ... Unfortunately, i just think it is not woth the try and a waste of time You could as well teach your dog or your cat .. You think people who believe that Abraham lived 900 years or believe in vrigin Mary or all the other crap might even be intellectually able to distinguish between factual arguments and FOX-fiction....?

November 8, 2011 at 3:21 p.m.
inthemiddle said...

In the style of AL

"The so called 99% would be better off starting their own corporation. Ben and Jerry did it but that would mean going to work." - Oz That statement is so absurd it's hardly worth the dignity of a response.

You should have stopped there then but you had to keep going.

who think that everyone is supposed to be an entrepreneur and a self-made zillionaire, and if one is not or does not at least aspire to be, then that person is just a lazy bum and an abject failure.

No but we do admire people willing to take that chance and don't want any of their stuff they earned.

Not everyone is blessed with the innate drive and determination, let alone the vision and the intelligence, to be a John D. Rockefeller or Andrew Carnegie or Steve Jobs

Correct that's what made them special. They all worked hard and earned what they had in their pockets.

If everyone were an entrepreneur and rich, who would do the real work of getting things done?

Exactly the point. We would all be earning our own share. Now as you have it there are many people getting free rides from the rich entrepeneurs when they show up to work and surf the net all day long, take extra long smoke breaks and skirt out a little early everyday.

There are many people who derive much more out of life than working 60, 70, 80 hours a week and dealing with the stress of running their own business.

That is their choice. They shouldn't care then if somebody else wants to give the extra effort so they can accumlate more wealth, retire early and sit back and watch that person struggle for the next twenty years. After all they didn't want to work those extra hours now but in the end they will have caught up.

But we need the blue collar workers too and they should be able to do their jobs proudly and to make a decent living doing what they do.

They should be proud of the choices they made if being blue collar is what they strive to be. If they are not proud then they should strive a little harder to achieve the next level.

Don't project your own limited view of the world onto everyone else and think that the only way to live a purposeful and fulfilling life is just how you see it... in dollar signs and corporations.

If the money doesn't matter why all the protesting? Does money mean something or not? If they are happy living with less then god bless them. Some people want more and yet you are projecting your values on them.

Also, many of the rich are not enterprising and hard working in the least; they are simply living large and lazy off of inherited wealth

Isn't that the idea? Work a little harder so your children don't have to? Wasn't that why people wanted to do better, so they could pass that along to their family?

November 8, 2011 at 4:23 p.m.
inthemiddle said...

Even if I had the drive of a Ben/Jerry and the kernel of an idea for my own corporation, the banksters sitting on their piles of cash have not shown a willingness to LEND ANY CASH.

In 1977 lifelong friends Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield completed a correspondence course on ice cream making from the Pennsylvania State University's Creamery. On May 5, 1978, with a $12,000[2] investment the pair opened an ice cream parlor in a renovated gas station in downtown Burlington, Vermont.

That is an amount you could get from friends and family. You aren't selling bonds or stock and they didn't start with a huge factory only a mom and pop store. It can still be done. Just won't be by you.

November 8, 2011 at 4:25 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "Oh I would so like to see the battered player backhand that chicken hawk pussy next to him."

You have such a sharp mind limric, it is too bad that seething resentment is clouding your perception.

November 8, 2011 at 5:52 p.m.
Oz said...

limric said..Thank you Rickaroo for pointing out the absurdity of the misinformed and easily manipulated by propaganda designed to direct them to act against their own interests.

"Read and lean:"

Corporations and Wall Street are two different animals. Corporations can be privately held and all corporations are not evil.

November 8, 2011 at 7:47 p.m.
dude_abides said...

You have such a sharp mind, BRP, I'm surprised that you think pandering to limric would change his sharp mind about that chicken hawk. The chicken hawk is obviously the kicker, and no doubt a kicker who always misses wide right.

November 8, 2011 at 7:47 p.m.
timbo said...

Limiric.... Why don't you try it just once...just once. I would love you to try it.

The reason that big fat ugly guy on the left is beat up is because he has been in a union sucking the life out of some corporation that went out of business because of labor excesses like GM. Maybe it is because he doesn't have the drive or intestinal fortitude to start a business. Maybe it is because he has been taxed to much or taken under by over regulation. Maybe he is just stupid like some of those OCCUPY people are.

In any event, obviously the other guy is smarter, more motivated, and willing to take risks and deserves his attitude and status.

In your honor limerik, I am going to get my insured, $20 dollar an hour employees ($7 more than the almighty VW pays) in the parking lot and tell them "create wealth and jobs." If they could do it they would have already. People who take risks and have the drive deserve what they get. I need them but they need me and people like me more. The only thing my employees have to sell is their work ethic. I appreciate them but they don not deserve anything close to what I do.

Why don't you pinkos get it?

BigRidgePatriot.... if he has a sharp mind then why does he and the rest of these lefties hold so many dumb opinions?

November 8, 2011 at 8 p.m.
hambone said...

The 99% are speaking loud and clear in Ohio tonight!!

November 8, 2011 at 9:01 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

If our Alabaman from Hitler's country had read the Bible carefully, he might have noticed that Abraham lived 175 years, not 900. (969 was Methusaleh). And since my wife and her mother have experienced miracles, I have no trouble believing the reports of miracles by Jack Deere in SURPRISED BY THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT and Jim Rutz in MEGASHIFT, and, of course, in the Bible.

MT, even if greed is a businessman's main motive, as long as the only way he can get richer is to sell something people want to people who choose to buy it, then greed will force him to serve others. But greed may not be a main motive: he may want to serve, and, of course, need (and deserve) to be paid for it. If you were God, you could tell us what our motives are.

And greed can come in many forms and work in many ways. Are some bureaucrats greedy for power or money? Just because they work for the government (= are paid by the taxpayers) doesn't mean they're angels. Has any government worker committed perjury? And, as I hinted, there's greed when, for example, funeral directors, instead of letting anyone sell coffins, cut down on competition by getting a law passed allowing only funeral homes to sell coffins. The law serves their greed; getting rid of the law would force them to compete to serve. Eh? (Do you support the Institute for Justice, which struck down the coffin cartel in Chattanooga?)

November 8, 2011 at 9:12 p.m.
Oz said...

timbo... The left hates the so-called fat cat 1% but they have no problem paying union dues supporting fat cat 1% union leadership. They don't do any work and most play both sides of contract negotiations. What's in it for me? Have you ever seen a union leader drive an old car or economy car for that matter? They live much better than the people they represent. Better pensions, better salary, better working conditions, etc. Talk about multi-level marketing. Union leaders have it made.

November 8, 2011 at 9:13 p.m.
Oz said...

acerigger...Occupy DC pushes down 78 year old woman.

November 8, 2011 at 9:41 p.m.
Oz said...

Occupy DC uses children as human shields.

November 8, 2011 at 9:43 p.m.
Oz said...

Sarah Palin -Occupy Protesters Want to be Bailed out Like Wall Street

November 8, 2011 at 9:46 p.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo! who's your third party candidate, now that Squirmin' Herman has made a fool of himself and everybody who backed him? Wish you had your gasoline and time back from your "Catcher in the Rye" trip to ATL? It will be interesting to see if the other two women are blondes. That would fit in with his politics (I believe my brothers would call him an Oreo). You really think you're like a God to your employees, don't you?

November 8, 2011 at 10:55 p.m.
limric said...

You do not become the super wealthy by working hard.

Yes, you become wealthy by working hard, but not the super wealthy. No one is suggesting an entrepreneur or business owner be denied to profit from his efforts (read on). The super wealth is a result of participating in or even manipulating (speculating) “markets’. Markets have never once created, on their own, a single penny of wealth - ever. This is entirely different than creating something tangible.

They can enable other people to create wealth. That is the whole underlying concept of investing, of course. They do not, on their own, create wealth. If you are making money solely on the market by shifting investments from place to place, it's because you are taking that money from someone who is losing it (as opposed to, say, dividends where you are taking part of a created wealth from that company, not from the market).

I don’t and I’m sure most people don’t have a problem with this on the surface. If you enter the market expecting to become rich with no cognizance of what you can lose, you are a fool, and parting fools from their money is, of course, a tried and true method of becoming successful.

However, the super wealthy as they are now now just don't do that. They don't just invest. They bet on failure. They have a vested interest in failure because if they can create failure they can destroy one person's wealth and assume it for themselves. They manage failure by skirting the limits of the laws and regulations of the marketplace to, for example, package real estate failure as legitimate investments. By doing so, they convince other people, fraudulently, to fail so they can take money from those people.

Normal people don't feel bad about winning when others fail if the rules are fair: you make your choices, your choices are your own, and you succeed or fail on their merit. If you fail, someone else may win as a result of their superior choices.

The business leaders of today’s 1% don't do that. They destroy people intentionally by manipulating or outright breaking the rules through bribes, lies and lobbyists. Where a poor psychopath destroys flesh and bone, a rich psychopath, (and the governmental Psychopaths they bribe) destroy families and success- and are tearing the fabric of our country apart.

To be surprised by this you have to be pretty intentionally obtuse.

November 9, 2011 at midnight
timbo said...

dude_abides....I know they don't think I am a God, they think I am a meal ticket. If another $2 an hour showed up they would be down the road. They are just as greedy as I am . I understand that and still make sure that they are comfortable. It is immoral to not pay a living wage.

Is it somewhat ironic that you people criticize the wealthy for wanting more but you are asking for more. The problem is that your "more" is someone else's money. My "more" is produced by my sweat and determination. Who is "more" wrong, again?

November 9, 2011 at 7:32 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "...kicker who always misses wide right."

Alabama fan?

November 9, 2011 at 8:01 a.m.

Andrew wrote

"If our Alabaman from Hitler's country had read the Bible carefully, he might have noticed that Abraham lived 175 years, not 900. (969 was Methusaleh). And since my wife and her mother have experienced miracles, I have no trouble believing the reports of miracles by Jack Deere in SURPRISED BY THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT and Jim Rutz in MEGASHIFT, and, of course, in the Bible."

I call living 175 years, in particular in times without health-care, a biological impossibility and you call it a miracle...

you totally prove the point I made in my last comment.... Thanks for showing that people like you are not able to distinguish between facts and fiction explaining the popularity of so many totally irrational standpoints of the GOP....

November 9, 2011 at 8:14 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Andrew - greed is greed and just another word for covetousness. You said thou shalt covet, NOT. Yet, you advocate an economic system that celebrates covetousness.

November 9, 2011 at 12:20 p.m.
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