published Friday, November 18th, 2011

Thurman walks out of school board meeting on Normal Park

One North Shore condominiums are on Manufacturers Road.
One North Shore condominiums are on Manufacturers Road.
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The second meeting in as many weeks regarding rezoning at Normal Park Museum Magnet School grew so contentious that one school board member walked out and missed the vote altogether.

School board members Chip Baker and Linda Mosley asked the board to consider rezoning One North Shore condominiums into the Normal Park zone. That, just two weeks after the board voted 5-4 to move homes in the Hill City area into the zone of Normal Park, a high-performing school that includes students from a neighborhood boundary as well as magnet students from across the county.

Some board members thought the discussion over One North Shore was a waste of time and that the board should focus on other schools that don’t perform as well as Normal Park.

“There are other kids that are just as important as the kids at Normal Park,” said board member Rhonda Thurman. “We have beat this horse to death.”

North Chattanooga parents have often asked for inclusion in the Normal Park zone. Thurman said the board was focusing too much time on a few hundred students, while ignoring the needs of tens of thousands of other students in Hamilton County.

Thurman previously said she doesn’t like the concept of magnet schools because they hurt neighborhoods and neighborhood schools.

“Next time it’s on the agenda, I just won’t show up,” Thurman said. “That will probably make a lot of people happy.”

Normal Park Upper School Principal Jill Levine showed board members posters with real estate listings in the Hill City area. Many of those properties had become under purchase contracts, since the board’s Nov. 3 vote, she said.

“This is about money,” Levine said.

Shaking her head, Thurman exited down the center aisle of the nearly full board room during Levine’s presentation. She missed the rest of the meeting — including the vote.

One North Shore was previously in Normal Park’s zone, but was excluded later because of what administrators said was overcrowding. The condos, ranging in price from $170,000 to $500,000, are now zoned for Brown International Academy.

While he disagreed with letting in Hill City residents, Baker said the two areas should be treated equally.

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“In fairness, One North Shore should be part of that,” he said.

Karen Culp, who is expecting her first child, asked the board to include the condos in the Normal Park zone. She purchased her One North Shore home in 2009 with the expectation that her students would attend the North Chattanooga school.

“One North Shore did use that as a selling tool,” she said.

Culp noted that the building only has one or two other families with children, meaning the risk of causing overcrowding is slim.

“The building does not target families,” she said.

Normal Park parents and staff present at both meetings vehemently opposed any expansion of the school’s zone.

The board ultimately voted 7-1 to table the issue, with Thurman absent and Baker casting the only dissenting vote. Board members said they needed to wait until they heard about the district’s plans for phasing in Hill City residents to Normal Park.

In its previous vote, the board instructed staff members to draft a plan for slowly adding the new zoned students, so as not to overwhelm the school.

In other business, the school board agreed with a staff recommendation to deny an application for a new charter school.

The New Consortium of Law and Business applied to open a sixth- through 12th-grade school here focused on business and law, similar to an existing school in Shelby County.

Administrators had several issues with the application and scored it at 65.53 of a possible 100 points — well below the approval threshold of 80 points.

If it chooses, the group may amend and resubmit its application within 15 days.

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Kevin rejoined the Times Free Press in August 2011 as the Southeast Tennessee K-12 education reporter. He worked as an intern in 2009, covering the communities of Signal Mountain, Red Bank, Collegedale and Lookout Mountain, Tenn. A native Kansan, Kevin graduated with bachelor's degrees in journalism and sociology from the University of Kansas. After graduating, he worked as an education reporter in Hutchinson, Kan., for a year before coming back to Chattanooga. Honors include a ...

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Emersization said...

Focusing on one school while depriving the rest of the county demonstrates bias, prejudice, and exclusivity against other schools, which the taxpayers have entrusted leaders that all would be well taken care of impartially. Who would not be provoked to walk out?

November 18, 2011 at 2:55 a.m.
Spicychick said...

Who would walk out? An ignoramaus who cares more about getting her way than she cares about doing her job, that's who! SHe is an absolute disgrace. I have never met a more vidictive, bitter, spiteful person than her. All she cares about is getting her way and if she doesn't get that way or if there is too much opposition, she withdraws from the situation. Hey Rhonda ... How about LISTENING sometime instead of WAITING TO TALK???

November 18, 2011 at 7:16 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Poor Rhonda Thurman, always the victim on her quest for righteousness in our evil school system. Right. The same Rhonda Thurman who was so upset that she couldn't rig the magnet lottery to get her child in to Normal Park that she told her grandmother she was going to "get" Normal Park. The woman who admits to going through parent directories by hand checking addresses to try to figure out who was in-zone and who was magnet. The woman who has written in blogs disparaging comments about parents, teachers, and administrators of Normal Park. Now she doesn't have time to listen to the presentation from the school. Amazing. Thurman's sock puppets will repeat her slogans, just like they did with the "pick and choose" lie, and we'll see this latest excuse of "too much time" repeated even though it is absurd. Her actions show her immaturity, her disrespect for others and for the job she was elected to do. What a petty, vengeful, hateful woman. She knows what she wants to know, and she doesn't want to have to listen to anyone else. Thurman represents the problems with politics today. Maybe she had to leave because the discussion of property values was making her feel too nervous. And ONS owners, I'm sorry but you are going about this the wrong way. If you want to be in the zone, first you have to convince Thurman it will damage normal park, then you have to grease some wheels. Look at the lesson from the development project in hill city that has been posting on a bill board that it was in-zone for months before it was.

November 18, 2011 at 7:47 a.m.
hixsondave said...

Obliviously Spicychick must have a vested interest in Normal Park. The business of the principle should be educating children, not setting or swaying school board policy. I wonder who paid for her posters and presentations, tax payers I suspect. Another example of a private school mentality at a "public school". The One North Shore folks can save a lot of time if the just send there kids to Baylor. It's just right down the road and more important already private.

November 18, 2011 at 7:50 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Really Dave?? You don't think that a part of a principals job is to make reports to the school board? Wow. That's a "private school" mentality to make a report to the school board. I think you are very confused. Why would a private school report to the school board?

November 18, 2011 at 7:59 a.m.
ChattanoogaVol said...

Chip Baker should resign. That is all.

November 18, 2011 at 8:06 a.m.
hixsondave said...

Not about zoning policy sockpuppet. Would have been great to see a presentation on the school by the principal. In error I left out GPS a great private school. Sorry didn't want to portray a bias. Instead of the school board private schools ultimately report to the parents.

November 18, 2011 at 8:15 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Hi Dave. Jill Levine didn't choose to go to the board to talk about zoning. She didn't bring it up. ONS owners brought it up. She has to go to the school board to report on it not being feasible. I am quite sure that Jill Levine would rather not have to keep explaining these facts. She was called to do so because parents brought it up to the school board.

November 18, 2011 at 8:20 a.m.
Humphrey said...

Vol, Rhonda Thurman is the one who should resign - she is the one who stormed out like a toddler who doesn't want to hear the facts

November 18, 2011 at 8:24 a.m.
PaulWilson said...

Having a neighborhood school that children that live in the immediate area can't even attend is completely ludicrous.

November 18, 2011 at 8:31 a.m.
rosebud said...

No, Humphrey, Rhonda Thurman, as she put it so well, is tired of the weekly Normal Park soap opera, and would rather focus on the 78 schools that don't have so much drama. Seriously, Normal Park should just secede from Hamilton County, and run it like the private school that it really is. Let Jill's friends pay big money to ensure a slot, and keep hiring more lily-white teachers (what happened to all those black teachers who used to be in that building before Jill took over? Hmmm). And someone build a fence around Center for Creative Arts High School before the Normal Park gang takes that over too!

November 18, 2011 at 8:34 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

There's the rub Paul, it isn't a neighborhood school being talked about, it is a magnet school. I'm not sure it is any closer from ONS to the Normal Park lower school than to Brown academy - maybe by a little, but I am sure you could pick up and drop off children faster at Brown than at NPMM because of the long lines at NPMM due to overcrowding in the old building. And if ONS is the "immediate area" then so are the homes north of Dallas. They are closer. But the line has to be somewhere.

November 18, 2011 at 8:36 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

OH an ldurham, if you are going to repeat Thurman's lies and innuendo then you are going to have to keep current, please. The old "magic lottery" is sooo last week. Everyone knows it was never true, and it certainly doesn't make any sense now that we are talking about rich, white children at ONS. Try to be internally consistent with your lies. The new one is "we've spent too much time talking about Normal Park." Oh, Rosebud is posting here now, so take your direction from the lady herself.

November 18, 2011 at 8:39 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

I do not understand all these continued requests from Jill Levine to have her rear kissed...I agree with Rhonda that neighborhood schools are the only way to go...there is NO documented evidence of the success of the magnet school concept...Normal Park is nothing more than academy for the intellectual elite (Andy Burke,etc) Much like the whining parents of suspended CSAS students who live in a world where their children do no wrong...

November 18, 2011 at 8:45 a.m.
rosebud said...

Sorry puppet, Rhonda is working for a living, running her business on this Friday morning. Unlike the Normal Park desperate housewives who famously gathered with Danielle Clark's husband last year to plot against her while drinking tea. Remember the "black Lexus" incident? It's just another reason why no one except the wine-and-cheese "lottery" crowd takes Normal Park seriously. If the lottery is legitimate, why did the School Board vote to clean it up last month?

November 18, 2011 at 8:46 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

And let's talk about that "private school" thing you keep bringing up Rhonda, oh I mean Rosebud. What exactly does this "private school" mentality mean? Let's see. Teachers working their tails off to help every single child in the class every single day? Administrators working their tails off? Parents participating and putting in an incredible number of hours? Are those the private school mentalities that you are talking about? This whole "pick and choose" kids has been such a complete lie and fabrication. An entire lie. Most of the families at NPMM are working class families. The only school that has the ability to pick and choose whoever it wants is the one you want to "build a fence" around - the one that also lets no neighborhood kids in (waahh, why should my kids have to go all the way to school in redbank?). All this "private school" and "pick and choose" thing does is demean and insult some very hard working teachers. Teachers who are doing their best and go above and beyond. No one picked and chose anyone. It is hurtful lie from jealous fools trying to drag down the success of the hard work from those teachers. Lilly white teachers is another lie. There are African-American and Hispanic teachers at normal park. Were some teachers fired after Chattanooga Middle was closed? OF COURSE, IT WAS A FAILING SCHOOL THAT THE HILL CITY PARENTS WERE BEGGING TO BE LET OUT OF. All of a sudden we are supposed to keep teachers who are doing a failing job? Really? What a load of crap.

November 18, 2011 at 8:46 a.m.
adolphochs said...

In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards. Mark Twain US humorist, novelist, short story author, & wit (1835 - 1910)

November 18, 2011 at 8:47 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Rosebud everyone on here knows you are Rhonda. Get over yourself.

November 18, 2011 at 8:48 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

Sounds like Imasockuppet is one of the elite that has chapped lips from kissing up to Levine

November 18, 2011 at 8:57 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Yes I am so elite it would blow your ordinary mind (if you don't like what somebody says just call them a name).

November 18, 2011 at 9:01 a.m.
hixsondave said...

Come out of the closet imasockpuppet and tell us how many children, grandchildren you have or will have at Normal Park. Did you hit the "Lottery".

November 18, 2011 at 9:02 a.m.

The effort to add One North Shore to Normal Park School zone is on the table due to various VW types who've been living there getting ready to leave Chattanooga to rotate to other global assignments...This mean the revenue stream for the VW rentals will be going away...It would not take much digging to verify whether or not Mr. Donn Calvin Baker and/or Friends of The Festival have received any consideration - monetary or otherwise - from the builders and developers of One North Shore...Jeff Styles, who works for Mr. Baker, also shills On Air for One North Shore...It's common knowledge some of the Riverbend Festival acts have been afforded accommodations there...Throw in the fact Mr. Fletcher Bright - sales front for One North Shore - is the principal behind Three Sisters Bluegrass Festival - held on the Friends of The Festival-controlled riverfront - and you've got a heady mix of potential/seeming conflicts of interest...While y'all are at it, why not determine once and for all whether or not charging $5,000 per head to attend a public school - a defacto violation of the Tennessee State Constitution that has been acknowledged by Ms. Jill Levine publicly - meets the standard for unlawful behavior?

November 18, 2011 at 9:03 a.m.
everybodychill said...

Before the wheels come completely off this thread.... Some folks worked hard to bring NPMM to attention and to scrutinize it, so don't complain if that attention outlasts your own. Sockpuppet - you're wrong, I think if you looked closely at all of Rosebud's posts next to those of Charles Bikas you would see language and thematic patterns. TFP- The headline is misleading as this was a School Board meeting and not a NPMM board meeting, just sayin' and Rosebud, indeed it was voted to "clean up' the lottery, but I would argue that the 'lottery' for CSAS and CSLA far exceeded others in its need for an overhaul. These are all human endeavors and we humans are quick to find ways to game whatever system we come across, it is how we survived long enough to be sitting here drinking coffee and contributing to absurd discussions over minutia.

November 18, 2011 at 9:05 a.m.
15 said...

For what it’s worth, I don’t think anyone is excited to still be talking about this, including One North Shore (ONS) residents, Ms. Levine, or the board. The issue arises from ONS being removed from the zone last year without debate or notice, and some families simply wanted the chance to at least discuss it. As for whether it’s about money, property values may actually have gone up since removal from the zone, as ONS caters to empty nesters in every way (including floorplans, which are not kid-friendly), and will likely never have more than a handful of children there, even at full capacity. Nonetheless, a few families were affected, families who ironically would add to the diversity of the school, coming from very diverse ethnic backgrounds. In the end, it seems like some folks are trying to have a reasonable discussion in a charged environment. Jill is doing her job, which is not easy, and ONS families are doing theirs.

November 18, 2011 at 9:08 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

everybodychill, I concur with you comements...I am still trying to wrap my head around the magnet school concept...I have yet to see any true success story from ANY of these schools...Being a child of the 60's and early 70's the community schools work much better than the crap we were fed by the former Chattanooga Public School System, Jesse Register, and Jim Scales...

November 18, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Dave, out of the closet - two children at NPMM, we live "in the zone" in the center of a N. Chattanooga working class neighborhood in a home we rent for $800 a month. I am so very elite. Off the top of my head, Mrs. Lewis is African American, Mr. Otero is Hispanic. I don't know every teacher though and don't know about the lower school. And my fine ride is a used car from a buy here pay here, I see lots of older cars in that line despite the lies. But yeah, I do feel welcome in the fine kingdom. And 85% of the African American kids at NPMM are lottery winners. Some people lie about the lottery winners and they have no way of knowing who they are, and they have no proof, just their hunch and bias. Again that school was FAILING until NPMM took over. Apparently some would like it to fail again. They see success and think that it can't be because of hard working wonderful teachers, they think that somebody had to be cheating. That says something about them right there. And frankly I resent that the idea that is the basis of that, that somehow rich kids are better students than poor kids. That is what they are implying. I disagree that the vote was "to clean up the lottery" the vote was for "more transparency" which would mean that people wouldn't be able to come up with lies about it being "fixed."

November 18, 2011 at 9:25 a.m.
maddawg said...

Will someone fill me in as to why everyone wants to go to NPMM?

November 18, 2011 at 9:45 a.m.

In 6 years, the Culp's will not be living at One North and their first-grader will be at Bright School. So who do they think they are kidding?

November 18, 2011 at 9:45 a.m.
indaspring said...

memo to Muhammed VB: the 3 Sisters Festival is FREE. Regardless of how you feel about NP school, how can you criticize a man for giving us a FREE music event??

November 18, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.
chet123 said...

Rhonda Thurman wont be happy until she dismantle Normal Park as she did 21st Century.....This woman have a mental problem..The next school board election a strong member have to be elected to give her a push back.....you cant play fair with Rhonda...She have no class....just place a strong Black female from the Urban area...who will get in her face...as Joann Favors did..you can not be diplomatic with someone as Rhonda..Diplomacy only works when you are dealing with a lady....a lady Rhonda is not..She has no intergrity...I think she's jealous of the City of Chattanooga.....George Ricks, Chip Baker and other school board member are too nice....you need to place a pit bull on the School board to address Rhonda tactics.......and "rosebud" is Rhonda Thurman....who would do such foolishness....This is a sick Woman!

November 18, 2011 at 10:01 a.m.
kfratz said...

HCDE, about 40 years ago, used to lead the state......it has gone to hell in a handbasket. Take your kids to GA.

November 18, 2011 at 10:04 a.m.
Meece said...

I am a parent of a lower school child. I wanted to say that if any of the teachers see these comments tonight (I kind of hope they know to stay away from these sorts of things) that they know that we parents appreciate them so much for all they do, and that we are confident that nothing will change that. Thank you. Please see that people are passionate about this because of the wonderful things you do, and that is a good thing.

November 18, 2011 at 10:06 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

kratz you are exactly right, and the downfall of the old school system was first the annexation of what was once a fine trio of schools (Hixon Elem, Middle, and High) and the decision by the city to get out of the school business...chet if I remember correctly Rhonda got right back in Joanne Favors grill and indeed showed that Favors only cares about publicity for herself, she has done NOTHING of any importance for her consituents (of which I am one)...I still challenge anyone to bring something to the table that shows the success of the magnet school concept...

November 18, 2011 at 10:13 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Idurham my kool aid is so sweet because my children are getting a great education at a great school. Now, why are your grapes so sour?

November 18, 2011 at 10:36 a.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Ordinaryguy = Chattanooga Middle was a FAILING school that parents were begging to get out of. Now it is Normal Park Magnet in that same old falling down building it is a nationally recognized school that parents are fighting like crazy to try to get in to.

November 18, 2011 at 10:39 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Hey chet! What's up, how ya been?

I have to admit that I have never found anything wrong personally with Rhonda's positions upon specific issues, but c'mon now, we all get frustrated with ridiculous stuff in the workplace.

Walking out on a meeting just illustrated a sudden lack of maturity in dealing with unpleasant realities.

She should know by now that in workplace politics, one must pleasantly and sometimes unpleasantly manipulate the circumstances to accomplish a job well done.

Getting pissy and leaving in a huff ain't gonna get anything productive accomplished.

November 18, 2011 at 10:39 a.m.
abcdefghi said...

If the school board needs to address issues regarding all the other schools in Hamilton County, then do it. Get them on the agenda. Maybe even more meetings are needed. The school board controls their agenda...get to work. All the whining about too much talk about NPMM is actually just the 5 school board members who voted to extend the zone not wanting to be faced with the reality of their bad decision making.

November 18, 2011 at 11:03 a.m.
Oz said...

kfratz said... HCDE, about 40 years ago, used to lead the state......it has gone to hell in a handbasket. Take your kids to GA.

Merging the county and city schools worked so well. Let's all vote for Metro Government.

November 18, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.
hixsondave said...

Imasockpuppet, I hope your children get a good education at Normal Park. But it seems that you have forgotten that all children in the county are entitled to the same quality of education. The Best we can provide. Most in the county are sick of this running Normal Park fiasco you parents put on. We have heard it all before for too long. It's time the administration ended the circus and went back to there job of education. Ms. Thurman has every right to walk out on this, I'm sure she has heard it all before. If you aren't happy with the way things go at Normal Park you have every right to send your children to private school. Your policy preferences on the public schools should not be allowed to have adverse affects on children other than your own.

November 18, 2011 at 12:27 p.m.
ordinaryguy said...

Hats off to hixsondave...so what about Chattanooga Middle being a failing school! The magnet concept is not allowing is killing the school system, and not providing for the same quality of education to all students, then again I do believe that a vast majority of students in non-magnet schools are proving to be much more prepared for higher education...If you look at the well known students from the school system they all come from traditional schools not this magnet junk...At least there is a voice of reason on the school board and that is Rhonda.

November 18, 2011 at 12:52 p.m.
chet123 said...

DAO1980.....I'm fine DAO......I will give what you said some thought....

Take care dao!

November 18, 2011 at 1:29 p.m.
DG said...

"...all children in the county are entitled to the same quality of education." Maybe you should try to enter the NPMM lottery or move to North Shore if you feel your childern are not getting a good education, and you, "have every right to send your children to private school."

"The magnet concept is not allowing is killing the school system, and not providing for the same quality of education to all students." So you believe that because a magnet school provides a higher quality education than other non-magnet schools it should be brought down to the level of other schools schools to be fair, as you obviously don't believe following the Normal Park model at other schools would result in the same success.

"If you look at the well known students from the school system they all come from traditional schools not this magnet junk"
If this magnet stuff is such junk, why is everyone so jealous of NPMM's success? If you think NPMM's success is only due to its "magic lottery" not allowing less privileged kids in, then you have pretty low expectations for those kids, even under the best of circumstances. By the way, I hope everyone is aware of the fact that Ronda Thurman sends her kids to private school.

November 18, 2011 at 2:21 p.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Idurham, I know that Thurman wishes the horse was dead, she's been trying to kill it ever since she couldn't fix the lottery to get her child in and had to send her child to private school instead. She only wants to ride it when it fits her agenda, she doesn't want to listen to any facts. That's why she keeps talking about this "magic lottery" she thinks if she wasn't able to get a fix then somebody else must have. Also, Dave, I don't know how you got out of anything I said that I don't care that all children in Chattanooga get a good education. I hope every child does. I wish that every parent would give the time to schools that is required of all the normal park parents. The thing is, every kid in Chattanooga can't go to normal park, it isn't big enough to hold them. The line has to be somewhere. There are other good schools. You don't hear these "magic lottery" people complaining that to this day you can pay to send your children to preschool at Brown or Battle and get a guaranteed magnet spot there. They don't care. They only care that there was once a preschool at normal park, because that was a part of the whole lie the land speculators had to spread to increase property value in hill city. What they aren't telling you is that a few years ago they had to beg people to come to normal park and that was one way of getting people interested. People didn't want to go there. And now the preschool at normal park doesn't grant an automatic magnet spot, unlike the other magnet schools. Likes I said, They are like the bird wanting her egg back after Horton said on it and hatched it. Some people look at something that was improved and is successful and they want to tear it down.

November 18, 2011 at 2:40 p.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Mitta why does someone with two children at CSAS and another at creative arts care so much about that crappy old normal park school anyway - if normal park is why have you been pushing so hard about hill city?

November 18, 2011 at 2:44 p.m.
ordinaryguy said...

I dont think the anti NP folks are jealous, we are tired of Levine and her garbage in trying to set up a faux private school...sockpuppetI dont think, and I could be wrong, but Rhonda's kid or kids are all out of school now and have been for a while...

Community schools work better!

November 18, 2011 at 3:02 p.m.
DG said...

I don't know exactly how old her kids are, but I do know that they were not in public school before or after she was elected in 2004.

"Community schools work better!" Everyone is upset that Jill Levine is being exclusive with here school and then talk about how community schools, i.e., exclusive schools work, citing NP as evidence. This makes no sense. Community schools work in communities that aren't run by a county wide school board. The reason everyone is fighting is because a Hamilton County is larger than a "community."

November 18, 2011 at 3:31 p.m.
hixsondave said...

Hey imasockpuppett, You are missing the point...and with that narrow view you won't ever get it. People are sick of this Normal Park thing, the parents and the principle. This is not your school, or Ms.Levine's it belongs to the the people of Hamilton county. Once you completely lose the support of the community it may dawn on you folks what you have done.

November 18, 2011 at 3:48 p.m.
justobserving said...

After reading these comments, I can't help but wonder what some of the people's agenda is. It seems pretty simple to me. Haters gonna hate. I mean why all the negative comments about a school that you have no vested interest in? From what I can see, the actual parents who have kids there love the school and have to defend against all the negative attacks.....Are you tired of hearing about Normal Park? Then stop reading about it. Tell your school board member to stop dragging them into board meetings and messing with their zoning. If the board felt the pre-k program was illegal, why is the same process still in effect in some of the other magnet schools. If the lottery process is being questioned, make it a transparent public event for all magnet schools (the central office manages the lottery by the way, not the schools). Again, haters gonna hate no matter what you do. Ignorance has never been a throttle for an uneducated brain.

November 18, 2011 at 3:49 p.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Peace, you all, I will retire now. Go back to regular life. I have just gotten so upset of reading these lies and stories over and over that I got too wrapped up in it today. I hope all of your children are blessed as mine are. I am sure that there are lies and rumors and mistakes from all opinions. Rosebud should be done cutting hair in an hour or two and she probably came up with some new ideas today. It should be a fun Thanksgiving trying to figure out which family member is telling stories. Not her daughter it was a friend's daughter, who couldn't get in to normal park now goes to another school that she isn't zoned for. It's all talk anyway. But the point is the whole ONS thing takes the "pick and choose" and "discrimination" arguments off the table.

November 18, 2011 at 3:55 p.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

Oh man I was going to retire. Orchard Knob has a brand new building and better facilities than normal park. They do not have the diversity that normal park has. Orchard Knob is almost entirely African-American, almost entirely poor kids, and all from the same neighborhood. It doesn't have a mix of kids from different backgrounds, different races, different religions, different neighborhoods. That's what diversity is, having a group of people that are different, not a group of people that are the same. Kids and parents learn from each other. Also, remember that normal park parents are required to contribute time as volunteers at the school, so Orchard Knob parents would have to buy in to that as well. I think what you are trying to imply is that Orchard Knob can't be a good school because the kids their are poor and I just don't believe that. I think Orchard Knob could be a great school, but it would take buy in from the parents, the teachers, the kids and the neighborhood. Jill Levine has done a wonderful job at Normal Park but she didn't do it alone. There was a question about teacher turnover - it is because they are fresh young teachers here who want to work hard and do a great job and not burned out ones. But I agree with you ldurham, all the schools should be as good as normal park and there should be more effort to take the things that are working here and put them in other schools rather than tear down what has been working here. Now I am retired. THanks.

November 18, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.
everybodychill said...

Cult? What do you mean? Doesn't everyone have a shrine in their home for their school principal? We still have ours for Don Bishop, peace be upon him.

So, the composite I am reading here is that you think parents of NP kids are tea drinking elitist mobsters, some of whom belong to either the smoke and mirrors brigade or the wine and cheese crowd. They worship Jill Levine, peace be upon her, and belong to her Cult of Followers that consumes 'the' Kool-Aid upon her request. They are only capable of reciting her ideas, or lies, and abhor facts. Finally, they all drive chic cars that clog North Chattanooga on weekday mornings. Did I leave anything out? Dude, I am totally going to check this freak show out for myself!!!

I am sure we could all raise the level of discourse here a bit, no?

Stay classy Chattanooga.

November 18, 2011 at 4:09 p.m.
Imasockpuppet said...

you still tell lies.

November 18, 2011 at 4:24 p.m.
justobserving said...

I won't name one but I'll ask you a question Idurham. What $5,000 admission fee? Are you referring to the cost of the pre-k program? In case you didn't know, you have to pay for pre-k programs, whether it be Normal Park or other places. Are you inferring that being in pre-k gets you in to the magnet program? Correct again for some of the other magnet schools (not Normal Park). If you will recall, that program was done away with several years ago for Normal Park (supposedly because the board question its legality) yet, it remains in effect for other magnet schools.

November 18, 2011 at 4:40 p.m.
hixsondave said...

At Normal Park did they take the $5,000.00 in the dark back room they held the lottery in?

November 18, 2011 at 4:48 p.m.
Walden said...

Imasockpuppet - good work today, but I am afraid you are dealing with the old conundrum of trying to argue with ignorance, and that just won't work. People like ldurham will never be able to see reason through their own covetousness. Rather than celebrating a success story like NP, they only try to tear it down by contrasting it to poor performers. Rather than tearing down NP, they should be focusing their attention on fixing the problem schools that may exist in their own communities. Why should ldurham care what kind of cars people pick their kids up in at NP? Well, it is pure envy, and that has got to be eating old durham up. Durham, I hope things improve for you, I really do.

November 18, 2011 at 4:49 p.m.
justobserving said...

The lottery is held and administered at the central office along with all the other magnet schools' lottery. Not at Normal Park. Again, haters gonna hate.

November 18, 2011 at 4:51 p.m.
justobserving said...

Interesting Idurham, rather than commenting on the other magnets that still have this practice, you instead made yet another derogatory remark about Normal Park. Your agenda is clear.

November 18, 2011 at 4:54 p.m.
tipper said...

Why the TFP puts this woman's rudeness and temper tantrums on the front page escapes me. Thurman says if they put the Normal Park issue on the school board agenda again, she vows to not show up. Please, please, put it on every meeting.

November 18, 2011 at 5:12 p.m.
New2ChooChoo said...

Was recently offered a 6-figure paying position with a well known company in Chattanooga. What I am doing is researching the area in an effort to determine if my family will find the move both a favorable and easy adjustment. Thus far I am impressed with all the area offers however what is going on with politics and the school board in Chattanooga/Hamilton County? I read that the female member who walked out of the meeting cuts hair for a living and has a GED certification. I wonder if the local voters are aware of this. Surely a member of the school board should have a 4-year degree at the very least. And what's the deal with so many wanting to impeach the present mayor? Is he that inept and/or corrupt? Can some of you enlighten me before I choose to relocate? Was under the impression that Chattanooga has some problems as most medium size cities do, but am seriously having second thoughts, since those in control seem so out of control. I have two elementary aged children and simply want them to continue to receive an excellent education, while feeling safe in their academic settings. Perhaps they would be better served at a private school. Thanks so much folks.

November 18, 2011 at 5:59 p.m.
justobserving said...

Durham, I'll comment on it. Personally, if she chose to take on that challenge, I would wish her and her new school well. Somehow, I doubt that she would want to leave and have to put up with idiots like you, but that is her choice to make. You keep talking about the "magic lottery" but you have already been told that Normal Park has nothing to do with the lottery (it's central office function) but yet you keep beating that dead horse (to borrow a term from Ms. Thurman). Keep on hatin'

November 18, 2011 at 6:41 p.m.
justobserving said...

ChooChoo, welcome to the local looney bin. Pay no attention to a lot of what you read here. We allow the inmates access to the computer once in a while.

November 18, 2011 at 6:43 p.m.
Rachelle217 said...

My husband and I moved to Chattanooga and bought a house zoned for NP because we heard about the wonderful principal, teachers, staff and exceptional parent involvement. If you want your children to go to this school then do the same. The zoning should not continue to expand. Not everyone's children in the North Chattanooga area can go to this school; it's sad but a fact. The school is already busting at the seams and for people like me (pregnant with my first child due in July), the school will be overcrowded when we need it. This is exactly why the school board delayed adding the Hill City streets. The people who live in the area need to raise our kids at our school. And I agree with an earlier post, haters will always hate. Others are very jealous of the success and the pride the teachers take in their jobs and in the children at NP. Others continue to speak hate about the NP parents because of the vehicles they drive or the jobs they work VERY HARD at everyday! Wow, if that is how small-minded and low class you are, I feel REALLY sorry for your children who are learning from you and your behavior. They don't stand a chance in this world with an attitude like yours. And they will never amount to anything because you teach them to blame others for working hard and becoming successful. If you people who hate NP so much spent as much time focusing your energy on your own child's school and the needs of their schools, you would be in a much better place. Make it happen at your own school. It can be done! Demand better teachers and get involved! There is no reason why every school in this area can't be as wonderful.

November 18, 2011 at 6:53 p.m.
Rachelle217 said...

ldurham, obviously something has happened to you in your life that you feel cheated and the victim since you did not make it into the 'rich and famous' club that you so obviously want to be a part of since that is all you talk about when it concerns NP. You are a toxic person for any community because you spread lies. The teachers who were removed from NP were poor performers. But I bet you are one of those tenure-people who thinks horrible teachers should maintain their jobs no matter what and not be held acountable. And your comment about making poor and/or minority students feel unwelcome...that is just stupid. Did you attend the Normalpalooza last weekend? If you did you would've seen the most diverse population of children/families EVER. It is something to be VERY PROUD of. But this isn't about NP at all with you.....it all goes back to you the victim who feels cheated because other people made something of themselves. Good luck climbing out of that hole/life you have created for yourself with that attitude.

November 18, 2011 at 7:34 p.m.
Oz said...

Every school in the county could be a magnet school.

1.) Get the discipline problems out of the classroom and send them to their own magnet school. The Magnet School for Discipline and Correction would be nice.

2.) All parents should be required to volunteer at least 10 hours a year in the school their child attends.

3.) All parents should sign a contract agreeing to spend 1 hour in the evening making sure all homework assignments are completed and reviewing for tests.

...Most of the teachers in Hamilton County are good teachers but they cannot do it all in the classroom. The ideas above are basically the difference between public and private schools.

November 18, 2011 at 7:45 p.m.
328Kwebsite said...

Any child living in a $250,000 to $500,000 North Shore condo will probably get to go to whatever school those parents want. Get real. This is a non-issue.

One North Shore: it's packed from basement secured parking garage to rooftop lounge with kids between the ages of four and 18.

Resident's main priority for moving there: textbook quality.

Remember textbook quality? It's something the school board, including Rhonda Thurman, hasn't done a thing about. Most of them don't look like they've read a book. They seem to be real concerned about posturing for the news, though.

Anytime now, they can stop acting like two-year-olds and get on with the business of governing public elementary and secondary school academics.

We're just waiting for a resolution about a high school football game from these morons.

Watch those politicos when they start smokescreening like this. Rhonda's been manipulated before. She'll be played again. She's short sighted and hot tempered.

Plant intelligence responds to sunlight. Our local politicians are only a slightly smarter life form.

What professional legislators do in this situation is vote no, not walk out. No-votes happen every day.

What does Thurman gain by walking out? A chance to reach for populist identification after that "slaves learned to read" fiasco a few months ago. She can grandstand a little to side with those not wealthy enough to live in Chattanooga's hottest properties. We see how well snubbing the poor, inner city minority kids worked out for her earlier. It's unlikely this will cover that up.

That other tantrum was in the news for well over a week. This one only counts for a slow day. She'll milk it all she can, and maybe point to it when she needs to restore an image of having caring standards; but, it's just not as politically "sticky" as "Slaves learned to read."

Magnet schools here and there are the price the system pays for not paying educators worth a __ to begin with. If the schools were adequately supported in the first place, they'd all be doing very well. Instead, we ignore them daily.

We're not paying any more attention to their deplorable condition because someone who could vote to fix it walked out.

November 18, 2011 at 7:56 p.m.
justobserving said...

Get rid of teachers who are experienced and/or black. (i.e. under performing teachers that result in under performing children).

Make most of the poor and/or minority students (with uncaring, uninvolved parents) feel unwelcome. Assure them they don't really belong in your building. (Yes, because they won't make the commitment to their child's education)

Now that you've cleaned out the school, hold a lottery! If you're lucky, you'll somehow end up with largely wealthy doctors, mall owners, attorneys, Central Office employees, business owners and celebrities making up your parent population. (haters gonna hate even though 85% of NP's diversity comes through the lottery).

Now: what to do with all those discarded teachers and students? Make them move to another county. Let them be someone else's problem! But at least we've made every Hamilton County school as wonderful as Normal Park. (Absolutely! Do you want under performing teachers protected by tenure teaching your children).

By the way idurham, I apologize for calling you an idiot, what I meant to say is that you are a loser and a coward. Please continue to wallow in your self pity and hatred towards anyone and everything representing success.

November 18, 2011 at 8:05 p.m.
justobserving said...

Oh, BTW idurham, I came here without an agenda (unlike you) just trying to have a legitimate conversation. I am now squarely in the NP camp. At least they care about their children's education and are willing to make the commitments (i.e. time, not necessarily money) to their child's education. If you would get out of Rhonda's rear for a moment, you might see that there are a lot of people who genuinely care about education and want to try to make it better for not only NP but for other schools as well.

November 18, 2011 at 8:15 p.m.
Walden said...

New2ChooChoo - take the job, and welcome to a great City. Don't base your decisions on anything you read in the comments section of this online newspaper. You are correct, we have some strange things going on in this town. I grew up here, then moved away for 21 years, then came back. The city I came back to is so far superior to the town I left, it is unimaginable. Chattanooga is always putting itself under a microscope and trying to figure out a better way to build a mousetrap. While this can be a little weird and cumbersome at times, it is far better than the way we were in the 1970's and much of the 1980's. This is a fantastic town (city) and a great community. You will read a lot of crazy rants on this website. It seems to draw the craziest among us (including me in some commenters' opinion!). I don't know a lot about Rhonda Thurman, but she does not impress me, from what I know. She will be gone soon enough. Regarding private schools... I suggest you consider them thoroughly, especially after 5th grade. We have some of the finest private schools in the nation, and they all offer financial aid. In fact, they all have endowed scholarships aimed at helping deserving students whose parents cannot otherwise afford the tuition. Look into these things. Besides, certain communities, Signal Mountain for example, have world class public grammar schools and the housing is quite affordable for someone earning six figures (or much less for that matter). Come on!

November 18, 2011 at 8:44 p.m.
justobserving said...

I also wanted to add that I heard Rhonda on the radio this afternoon "defending" her walking out of the school board meeting. Her basic stance was that she didn't control property values and it was completely irrelevant to this meeting. Well, Rhonda, this is exactly the point that was made to you and the board 2 weeks ago. By zoning in Hill City, property prices were going to skyrocket in that area and the people you made "the promise" to will not be there for long. After the developers get finished with that area, it will be mostly affluent people and by then, you will have sucked up the magnet positions that mostly go to minority or under privileged children. Of course, since you don't care about magnet schools, I'm sure you don't want to take any responsibility for your poor decisions and decided it was better to throw a tantrum rather than face the facts of what your decision actually means.

November 18, 2011 at 8:49 p.m.
parkerfaroff said...

Choo Choo if you are new to this area then I would like to make a suggestion that you visit East Lake Academy. The homes in that area are rather inexpensive. They have several parks. I believe one may be shutting down soon. The older teenagers wear uniforms such as red, or blue. Perhaps the music they listen to is a bit loud but it keeps them down and it actually helps give them the courage to shoot their enemies. Those children are raised up in drug infested apartments and their playground is old blocks of pavement. They do not see many tree's or flowers. Perhaps you could buy a house and invite them over to learn a little on nature and its benevelent effects. Their parents do not mind them playing in gravel and parking lots but it would be great if they could grow up with a richer understanding of grass, planting flowers and even trees. They are desensitized by the gun shots heard most every night in that area. Some want to blame the police because its too hard to accept the fact that none of the adults want a better life for their children. So they stay in the cycle and learn that it is cool to steal the shoes off your feet and the musicians who are making a fortune are guiding and directing these group of gangs members straight to jail. Most Rap music is glamourizing a horrible lifestyle and again Chattanooga is blaming it on the police. So, check out that section of town before you decide to move to another City. Our Mayor Littlefield states that Chattanooga does not have a gang problem. So, there you go.

November 18, 2011 at 9:40 p.m.
Oz said...

Maybe Jill Levine should be transfered to an underperforming school every 2 years. Let's turn some more schools turned around. The lottery does not dictate who get's in at Normal Park. The underperforming schools take everyone. Let's use that talent in more than one school.

November 18, 2011 at 9:55 p.m.
Meece said...

To ldurham: I honestly doubt that you have ever "looked" at a Normal Park dismissal. I've been there for most of them the past three years and I think you are pretty off-base. Your descriptions of the cars and so forth seem more like a stereotype you heard than the reality I've seen, and my wife and I both work full time and have never had a hard time meeting volunteer hours and so on. I don't think you know what you are talking about, but you sure seem to keep repeating it. And good grief you are fixated on Jill Levine! Wow. Have you ever actually met her? Do you have some real personal grudge? Or are you just repeating things you imagine? Because you are talking about a "real" person here and you are very hurtful in your accusations that do not seem to based on any sense of reality that I've observed. These comments are just not fair. The same thing is true for the comments others have made about Rhonda Thurman. Some people will say horrible things if they can hide behind anonymity, I hope you don't talk to people that way every day. Anyway, I'm sorry your weekend is so pitiful. You might consider finding a new hobby.

November 18, 2011 at 10:23 p.m.
hixsondave said...

How quick the Normal Park supporters resort to name calling. Throwing dirt in the air must have quit working for them.

November 19, 2011 at 7:51 a.m.
chet123 said...

Hixsondave....Wherever Rhonda Thurman goes there will be confusion...THE BOTTOM LINE IS RHONDA THURMAN HAVE A DISDAIN FOR THE CITY OF CHATTANOOGA....i wander why she dont correct her community....RHONDA THURMAN pretend she is for the poor schools that not doing well ...pleaseee give me a break!..the woman remind me of NEWT GINGRICH....(1).She can lie and not blink her eyes(2).When challenged she play the victim cards(3).When she dont get her way..she cry like a little baby (4)she has no integrity nor honor(5).She really think shes smart..in reality she dropped out of high school...dont have a college education and talk about high academics...when she was a failure in school...

WHAT A PHONY!!!

November 19, 2011 at 8:49 a.m.
rosebud said...

chet123 is typical of most Rhonda Thurman critics: can't tell the truth, can't spell. Maybe Rhonda can fix the public schools, so the next generation won't turn out like that.

November 19, 2011 at 9 a.m.
chet123 said...

ROSEBUD(RHONDA THURMAN)... you have a lot of nerve to be critical when you push in a old dumb underqualified,country red-neck as hamilton county school superintendent Rick Smith ha ha ..and i can say this...i graduated from high school and college...thats more than i can say about you.

HAIR-DRESSER!.....wink,wink!

November 19, 2011 at 9:30 a.m.
chet123 said...

RHONDA THURMAN fix the school...ha ha ha! WHAT ARROGANCE!!! She is a high school drop-out and GED because the teachers couldnt get thru to her...what a joke she i....now shes self-proclaim expert....WHAT AROGANCE!!!She going to tell the MBA and Phd's how to fix the school.....Rhonda go back to SODDY and leave us alone. WE dont need you...we dont need your hate and prejudice in Chattanooga...spew your hate in SODDY.

What Rhonda Thurman need to do is see a doctor to have her head fixed....

November 19, 2011 at 9:54 a.m.
chet123 said...

Hello IDURHAM.....I just warming up.....I can go on all day about Rhonda Thurman....i have been following her actions for about 10years...her radio interviews,,,press interveiws,,,the hateful statement she has made toward low-income children(the children cant help their parents not responsible). She jealous of NORNAL PARK because SODDY dont have a school like Normal Parks..She is a cold-hearted person.

So look for push back!...But i will unload on her from 10years of stored-up silence...and i'm ready to exploded on Rhonda evil tactics....So hold on to your seat....get yourself a bowl of popcorn and a cold drink ...because you will be entertain...

November 19, 2011 at 10:40 a.m.
hixsondave said...

More and more name calling from the Normal Park faithful. Real positive input and converse to solutions.Chet,go tutor a couple at risk kids, be part of the cure, but better leave English to the pros though. Please Chet when you explode please do it in the privacy of your on home. The taxpayers don't need to be hit with the toxic mess clean up bill. We pay for too much for these cleanups as it is. How much did the Dr. Scales cost us?

November 19, 2011 at 11:06 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

Well, Chet, I see you're in rare form today...even tho I don't agree with you on everything you say, I AM glad to see you're back...have missed "jousting" with you...I know how you get when you're PASSIONATE about something...especially when it's Rhonda..

I don't have kids in school now but I went to a private school and had a TERRIBLE teacher who was waiting on retirement...one of my children went to a public school and had a TERRIBLE teacher as well who was also waiting on retirement...my teacher was white and my child's teacher was black....THEY WERE BOTH UNDERPERFORMING AND TENURED TEACHERS WHO SHOULD HAVE LEFT THE TEACHING PROFESSION YEARS BEFORE! I failed the subject my white teacher was teaching and my child barely passed the subject of the black teacher while many in the class failed....My child and I both were able to make up for "lost" ground and went on to make good grades from there on because we had BETTER-PERFORMING TEACHERS who "made the grade".

ChooChoo...welcome to Chattanooga...Good Luck...but I would send my child(ren) to a private school if possible...it's harder in a private school but well worth it when you go to college.

Idurham...I think Rachelle217 has your number...

And I AM sad to see that..."haters will always hate".

November 19, 2011 at 1:07 p.m.
chet123 said...

look a here, look a here,ha ha ha ha If its not HixsonDave by way of SODDY...HixsonDave...before I help an at risk child I will see to Rhonda Thurman getting a High School Degree....OH yeah....that loser name Rick Smith that underqualified whom you and Rhonda Thurman affirmative action in as Superintendent I will see he go back to college and get proper graduate credit. Where is he from???? DID you say SODDY! I got an idea!!!! Why dont you get the tin cans that you call trailer homes off 27hwy......And try making Soddy attractive...Leave Chattanooga alone..leave our children alone..leave our school alone..GO!.GO!.GO!.GO!...go back to cow-town....

November 19, 2011 at 3:44 p.m.
chet123 said...

Eastridge8....How are you doing.....i miss talking to you....Pardon me for my out-burst....but you may want to go to another post....its going to get hot in here ha ha ha .... i'm dealing with thugs....Rhonda Thurman have a causus of thugs in Soddy....they hang around her salon like mayberry's floyd BARBER Shop. They all are so-called church folk....the worst type of thugs

November 19, 2011 at 4:05 p.m.
New2ChooChoo said...

As I continue to read the posts on this topic would like to thank those few who have extended what seems to be a genuine welcome. Most of the posts [here] have given me reason to pause and seriously evaluate another job offer from a firm in Austin, Texas. Austin is substantially more family-friendly oriented and certainly less combative (even in their community threads/posts on a variety of topics). Clearly their school system is leaps and bounds above Hamilton county with more favorable stats. As a widow with two children it's my responsibility to see that my children are educated in a civil/caring academic setting, with other like students. I simply don't feel that would be possible in the Chattanooga area. The hostility, rage and racial polarization that many have concerns me. I happen to multi-racial. By no means should any of you consider me judgmental because nothing is further from the truth. You simply are who you are. I also paid full tuition for both my undergraduate and graduate degrees by working and receiving some scholarship monies (not any aid) toward tuition costs. In closing I add that my research was certainly not limited to this single topic. I have read for hours about the Choo-Choo city. Wishing all of you the best, it's clear my family will not fit in with your agendas. Bless all of you!

November 19, 2011 at 7:16 p.m.
chet123 said...

new2choochoo......good luck!

Chattanooga have not always been like this.....the problems occur when they emerge the county and city school systems...that when the school board representatives became city and county.

It sounds great...but the problems is you get county representitive that are divisives...you get people thats from the bottom of the barrel of society....the demographic and culture of the city and county are different....The county is control by family klans ,good ole boy, church(self-righteous people that are narrow minded and hate mongers)..this how you get people like Rhonda Thurman....She is someone who has never had power...and power is a dangeous thing in the wrong hand....she has a disdain for chattanooga...her mentality is confederacy....Us against them attitude them...This is what she live for and unfortunately the good people in SODDY add fuel on the fire by patting Rhonda Thurman on the back(they should never do that.because she is full of herself) telling her how great she is....i cant figure out why she think she got to fix the school system,she dont have children in the systems.....SODDY school system couldnt fix her enough to get a high school degree and finish college....but she has ordain herself as the great emancipator of hamilton county schools, the great educator, the expert of education....this woman have no shame.....she is the Newt Gingrich of Hamilton County....she will talk herself out of anything...can never say i'm wrong......just drunk with power(she's only a school board member) ha ha ha how would you like this nutt with the BLACK BOX ha ha ha

Most people in the county are beautiful people....its unfortunate this kook give the good county people a negative image.

November 20, 2011 at 8:09 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

ChooChoo...sorry you will not be settling here but I understand you have to do what YOU think is best for your family. I am sorry to hear that you are a widow. My Sympathies.

Chet123...doing OK except for arthritis...

TO ALL ON HERE: Chet123 IS NOT a mean, spitful person...HE IS JUST PASSONIATE ABOUT HIS IDEAS AND OPINIONS...I used to think he was a bad person but in reading his comments I saw that he was only "screaming and yelling" about what he considers INJUSTICE AND INCOMPETENCE! And you can't fault a man for THAT!

On the other hand, Idurham...how cynical and mean can one person get in your reply to ChooChoo? You take the cake and win the Grand Prize for that one.

November 20, 2011 at 3:03 p.m.
hixsondave said...

Wow Chet, relax take a chill pill that kind of animus will have negative effects on your long term health. I take a walk in the evenings here in Hixson and would suggest that for you if you didn't live in the hood.

November 20, 2011 at 3:27 p.m.
eastridge8 said...

hixsondave...people have been telling chet to "chill" for as long as I can remember...please read my email above...chet is a good guy, he just is PASSIONANT...(sorry to have mispelled it above).

There is a difference between passionant and being meanspirited...ie in Idurham's reply to ChooChoo...There was no call for his snide remarks in his 8:20 a.m. post.

November 20, 2011 at 5:47 p.m.
elvisd said...

What Thurman doesn't get is that magnet schools are the only viable way for kids living in the city to escape hood/thug/ghetto culture. If "neighborhood schools" were the only option, a lot of kids would just drown in that environment. Soddy Daisy doesn't have to deal with this issue any more than Signal Mountain does, but kids who would have to go to Howard, Orchard Knob, and the like do have to deal with it. They don't have a "flight" option-magnet schools are their "flight". Magnet schools are safe environments where only families that are willing to donate time and effort can go, and thugs can be removed. It may not be politically correct to be honest about why we have magnet schools, but it's true. Something for the caviar set to think about, too.

November 20, 2011 at 6:25 p.m.
hixsondave said...

Hi eastridge8, You may have a point about Chet but I don't see how you can defend that vitriol and hateful name calling for passion. They have me convinced that NP situation isn't defensible in today's correct politically environment any other way. Who's to

November 20, 2011 at 6:48 p.m.
hixsondave said...

Who's to say the kids in the schools you mention aren't losing more because of Normal Park. In the standing magnet school model they aren't being helped by Normal Park. Kids education suffers and the best we adults can do it argue and name call.

November 20, 2011 at 6:54 p.m.
elvisd said...

I'm talking about the other magnet schools, like Barger, CSAS, Tyner, etc. Sure, I'm tired of hearing about Normal Park all the time. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, though. We need to support schools where parents WANT their kids to learn, where parent participation is mandatory, and it's possible to jettison the thugs who wreak havoc. My problem isn't with Thurman saying there's too much attention paid to Normal Park. I tend to agree. It's her hostility to magnet schools in general. Don't skew your view of the magnet schools based on the NP drama. Recognize that there has to be some safe zones with higher standards for families who are dedicated to their children getting a good education, and commit time and effort, but are in the middle of the city, and don't have the cash to go to private schools. Just because Thurman's right on one point doesn't mean she's right on another.

November 20, 2011 at 7:09 p.m.

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