published Monday, October 10th, 2011

Tennessee worst state for gun crime

By Brian Haas/The Tennessean
Sharda Stoudemire talks in July about the shooting of her boyfriend, Melvin “Brando” Fennell in Chattanooga. New research shows that Tennessee has the highest rate of gun crime of any U.S. state.
Sharda Stoudemire talks in July about the shooting of her boyfriend, Melvin “Brando” Fennell in Chattanooga. New research shows that Tennessee has the highest rate of gun crime of any U.S. state.
Photo by Angela Lewis.

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As of Oct. 7, there have been 55 shooting incidents with injuries and 23 shooting deaths reported in Chattanooga this year.

NASHVILLE -- DyShieka Whitlow heard the gunshots outside her Nashville home one day last year as she and her little boy tried to sleep. But she never imagined her husband would be dying on their front lawn.

"I was in shock," she said. "It couldn't be him."

Terry Whitlow died Aug. 20, 2010, at the hospital, one of at least 356 people slain in Tennessee last year -- 219 of them by firearm.

"Everywhere you look, someone is getting gunned down," his widow said. "Senseless crime. It's just sad."

What DyShieka Whitlow is seeing is reflected in a disturbing trend over the past two years in Tennessee: People were more likely to be victims of a violent gun crime here than in any other state in the nation, according to a Tennessean analysis of FBI statistics.

Only Washington, D.C., had a higher rate of gun violence.

Tennessee came out worst in the nation in the rate at which its residents are victims of aggravated assaults with a firearm and fifth-worst in robberies.

The federal government defines aggravated assault as an attack that inflicts severe bodily injury and is usually done with a weapon likely to produce death or great bodily harm.

The high rate is difficult to explain. Officials at the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation declined to comment, saying they didn't collect that data and couldn't comment on analysis the agency hadn't performed.

Academia doesn't offer much help, either.

"You would almost have to go in and look at every individual crime report across the nation," said Don Green, executive director of the University of Tennessee's Law Enforcement Innovation Center.

But Green offered three possibilities for the high rate: better police reporting, a large number of gang and drug-related crimes, or perhaps Tennessee's high rate of gun ownership.

"One thing you could say would be if there are a number of firearms accessible to individuals, then they would be more inclined to use those during a heated argument," Green said.

The idea reflects a longstanding debate between Second Amendment and gun control advocates. Research has shown some correlation between states with high gun ownership and high gun-related crimes. The Harvard Injury Control Research Center, in particular, has published multiple studies showing that people living in areas with more guns are more at risk of being homicide victims.

The Violence Policy Center, a Washington, D.C.-based research group that advocates stronger gun control, in 2008 linked Tennessee's high gun ownership to its high homicide rate. It also has ranked Tennessee high in recent years in black homicides and cases in which women have been killed by men.

However, Second Amendment advocates are quick to point out that just because gun ownership and some violent crimes seem to coincide, it doesn't mean that one causes the other.

"I don't really buy that, that Tennessee has a higher crime rate because we have a significant percentage of gun ownership," said John Harris, a Nashville attorney who serves as the volunteer executive director for the Tennessee Firearms Association. "I don't know that that's it. It sounds like potentially a correlation however lacking causation."

Harris pointed to research that shows that handgun permit owners, for example, were less likely to commit crimes than the general population.

As for why else Tennessee might be so high, he pointed to Shelby County, in particular, as a high-crime area that could be skewing the data upward. The FBI gun crime data does not include county- or city-level statistics, making it difficult to determine that.

"Do we have a problem in the state with low socioeconomics?" Harris asked. "Do we have problem unemployment with some members of the population ... that is somehow related to this?"

Green said there isn't yet enough information to point to any one factor. He wondered if police departments in Tennessee might be more aggressive in reporting firearms cases than in other states. He said there could also be more drug and gang activity, both of which typically involve guns as tools of the trade.

"People who are robbing drug dealers or drug dealers are using firearms to enhance their drug profits," he said.

It's unclear what the motive was in the murder of Terry Whitlow. But his widow says that the violence must stop so that another mother won't have to tell her children about their father's tragic fate.

"I know it's going to be heartbreaking for me to even tell them," she said. "I'll just have to ask God to show me the way and guide me to taking those steps."

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rolando said...

Only Washington, D.C., had a higher rate of gun violence.

Tennessee has a Shall-Issue Carry Permit law; Washington, DC doesn't.

Matter of fact, Wash, DC is among those states with the strictest anti-gun laws in the nation.

So much for the correlation of legal handguns and crime.

Stop BS'n us, TFP. Stress that fact, don't bury it.

And yes, I am aware DC is a "city", not a state...yet it shares many of the characteristics of a state.

October 10, 2011 at 7:23 a.m.
XGSBoss said...

God damn we need MORE guns to combat the thousands already here! Who can't see that truth????
Let's see. I hope to god I can type this without going into convulsions of disgust. There is nothing tying more guns legal or otherwise to more gun crime.

Ok, I made it through, but lost a part of my soul. WHO THE BLANK CAN REALLY BELIEVE THAT?? There is a crapload causing the increase in gun crime. But enough guns on the street to overthrow Chile and the hillbilly mindset of thousands of wannabe John Wayne's or the latest gansta rappa doesn't contribute at all, NO SIR!

October 10, 2011 at 9:35 a.m.

XGSBoss, So you are saying that if guns were banned completely the criminals wouldn't be able to get them any more? Are you saying that if every single citizen in the state of Tennessee were REQUIRED to own and be trained to carry and use a handgun, crime would go up instead of down? Your imaginary world has to be full of gum drop mountains and gingerbread houses.

Criminals don't prey on the armed amoung us. They don't rob the police stations or military bases. Why do you think that is? You will need to leave your fantasy world to come up with the right answer.

October 10, 2011 at 12:17 p.m.
memphisexile said...

I like how Mr. Harris tries to blame all the gun crime on Memphis, and implies that in the rest of the state most gun owners are responsible permit holders. Last time I checked there were quite a few shootings in Chattanooga, especially when you look at it per capita.

Before all the NRA nuts get their panties in a wad, note that the article talks about gun ownership, not legal gun ownership. No where in the article does it imply that legal licensed gun owners are to blame for the crime. Felons with guns purchased on the street qualify as gun owners too. Suggesting that there is a correlation between gun crime and an area where a higher than average amount of people own guns, legally or illegally, does not seem that controversial to me.

October 10, 2011 at 12:50 p.m.
Veritas said...

What is the correlation between gun violence and people with names such as Sharda and DyShieka? I think I know the answer but I won't jump to any conclusions despite imperical evidence. These are certainly two suitable entries for the Thug Scrabble Name Contest.

October 10, 2011 at 1:11 p.m.
callison said...

Veritas, maybe before you jump to racist conclusions, you should learn how to spell empirical.

October 10, 2011 at 1:16 p.m.
dao1980 said...

I want to play thug scrabble!

October 10, 2011 at 1:22 p.m.
NoMyth said...

We're #2! We're #2! Simple equation: High number of guns + high number of stupid people = gun violence. Over the near-term we can't reduce the number of guns (for a variety of reasons) and the only way to reduce the number of stupid people is to kick them out or educate them and promote stronger families and communities. So, I think there's at least even odds that the situation will worsen.

October 10, 2011 at 1:30 p.m.
XGSBoss said...

Flyingpieceofsomething, isn't TN a concealed carry state? So in theory couldn't everyone be armed at almost any time? But the criminals keep criming and the regulators ain't regulatin' it. Hmm. I'm missing something here, and I have no doubt know you will clue me in.

Oh. and I really am torn about responding to what really wins the prize for most horrible, most nonsensical, least thought out argument in these here internets (and that's saying ALOT). Police stations and military bases aren't where the money is at! Did I really have to type that? Do you want the convenience store to have 2 guards with assault weapons and 50 round clips on duty full time? The Bi-Lo? The banks? Wal-Mart? Oh wait, of course you do. There can't be enough guns! And if the guards have massive machine guns, then the bad guys get vests, then grenades, then RPG's. Sounding like a war zone yet? Wipe up that slober.

And no one knows what my first post said cause someone can't stand MINOR swearing. I am sure this post will be removed also. My 1st amendment right WAS NOT violated however, cause the masters contol their own property. More power to them for it, it's their right (Hank wink wink).

October 10, 2011 at 1:53 p.m.
terrybham said...

I think it is great to be #1 at something. Shall we break out the champagne?

October 10, 2011 at 2:12 p.m.
XGSBoss said...

Ok, I give up. Now my original post is back. Of course when anyone sees this it will dissappear and I will have to sigh heavily again.

October 10, 2011 at 2:13 p.m.
nucanuck said...

When I read this type of gun commentary I thank my lucky stars that my family now lives in a gun-free city. Nobody has guns, nobody wants guns...that makes for a peaceful, non-violent city.

The belief that guns make you safe has to be the strangest argument around...the only thing stranger is the number of people who believe it.

October 10, 2011 at 3:05 p.m.
Legend said...

Veritas said... What is the correlation between gun violence and people with names such as Sharda and DyShieka

OK__I'll bite!!! Jumping off Verita's illogical theory: What is the correlation between kids killing their parents because the parents grounded them as punishment and people with names such as Alex, Charlie James, Dakota, Gavin, Tyler..

October 10, 2011 at 3:26 p.m.
Sailorman said...

NC

I'm really sorry I didn't get the opportunity to visit you in your little slice of heaven this summer but thanks again for the kind invitation.

Things must be improving there - remember this exchange?

"Even though Victoria might seem nice and quaint," Fischer said, research shows discrepancies in income produce high levels of crime.

"Even though Victoria has a lot of people who are well off and established, and not your typical criminal population, there is a marginalized and disenfranchised population -- a substantial one proportionally -- and that together with a quite sizable drug user and mental health problem population ... obviously generates a lot of property crime," Fischer said.

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=6f6ced8f-53e3-4878-8cb9-b8d37847ed82&k=27364&p=1

Where on the income distribution chart do you fall? As they say on TV "What'cha gonna do when they come for you?"

More current:

http://newsadvertiser.com/wordpressmu/blog/2010/11/02/b-c-%E2%80%99s-sleepy-capital-grappling-with-big-city-issues/

"B.C.’s sleepy capital grappling with big city issues"

and

http://www.spruce.ca/gunctrl.htm

All Canadians aren't as enamored of gun control as you and your bicycle riding buddies. You made the right choice for you perhaps. I'll make my own.

October 10, 2011 at 3:52 p.m.
XGSBoss said...

Of course being a libertarian, you are all for guns being sold (tax free naturally) out of vending machines and in Happy Meals without any government interference or oversight. I don't really take libertarians seriously.

October 10, 2011 at 4:30 p.m.
nucanuck said...

Sailorman,

I too, am sorry that you didn't get here. I would have loved showing you ALL levels of life here.

We live close-in in a middle class neighborhood, but with some distinctly lower types accross the back fence and lesser areas not far away. No where in the city am I afraid to walk, but there are a couple of spots that I would avoid at night. The druggie bunch can act a little crazy and I try to avoid those spots. That's where most of the police activity seems to take place as well.

Don't put to much stock in media articles, I remember 40 years ago reading that Madrid was in a state of civil revolt. Days later when I arrived, I had never been in a safer city. Franco was 100% in charge, Time and Newsweek just got it wrong.

I can't speak to how many Canadians favor gun control, only to what I hear, see and experience as a four year resident of a city with near zero gun incidents. My impressions prove nothing, but to me, a gun-free society is high,high civility.

I'm bicycling a little less since we bought a used Smart car. Bicycling in the rain gets old fast.

October 10, 2011 at 4:38 p.m.
rolando said...

One clarification on the "Concealed Carry" law in Tennessee. We don't have one.

But we have something much better -- a law that allows us to carry either concealed or in the open. My permit is titled, Handgun Carry Permit.

The police recommend that Permit holders carry concealed so the liberal womenfolk and the excitable girly-men don't get their panties in a wad.

October 10, 2011 at 4:45 p.m.
rolando said...

Police stations and military bases aren't where the money is at! Did I really have to type that?

You obviously haven't heard of Fort Knox, XGS. Maybe there are a few others out there who haven't but you are certainly in the minority.

Police stations are where all the really crime-ready weapons are, making the a good target...if it wasn't for all those armed cops.

October 10, 2011 at 4:52 p.m.
rolando said...

But really if you stray off the beaten track even a few blocks what you see beggers belief. No matter how lavish the neighborhood, you're never more than a few blocks from a war zone.

lesliesmart, you have just described every city in the world of any size. Haven't traveled outside the US much, have you?

October 10, 2011 at 4:55 p.m.
XGSBoss said...

Ok, obviously I concede Fort Knox. That's a pretty good catch there. But while police stations may have crime ready weapons, it goes without saying that the criminals already have plenty! Most of the time, stolen from legal gun owners so there was no up front cost to the bad guys anyway, only slight risk. Now if the only gun possessors were the state militias like the founders intended... Oops, did I just crack another can of worms?!?!

October 10, 2011 at 5:09 p.m.
GrouchyJohn said...

XGSBoss, please post in this forum the date and time you will be disposing of your personal firearms, and also the date that you pick up your check from the bank or out of the mailbox.... kindly include your home address and when you will be home. I'm sure there are some people reading this that would love to come visit you...

In actuality, the permit in my pocket does NOT say permit to carry concealed... it says permit to carry. If I wanted, I could strap my favorite hogleg (I said favorite, I have more than one) to my hip and go walking down the street. It would be silly to do so as there would be hundreds of people making thousands of phone calls to LEOs about an armed man. I have never shot anyone. Yes, I have pulled a gun on someone, actually 2 someones at the same time. I was in my own house at the time. They came in the front door, split up and tried to "surround" me. Their reaction to seeing a .44 stuck in their face was very gratifying. I could have legally killed them... but didn't. I guess I was not included in that years stats on gun violence.

My point? Guns in the hands of people with non-violent intentions stop the annoyance of being bothered by those WITH violent intentions.

Gun control: Hitting what you aim at.

May you never be required to practice Gun Control, but thank God that Tennessee gives you the right to do so.

October 10, 2011 at 5:46 p.m.
rick1 said...

With Obama and Holder selling firearms to members of the Mexican Drug Cartel under the Fast and Furious Program, we all need firearms so we can protect ourselves.

October 10, 2011 at 5:59 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

As a liberal I probably will get blasted for this. I think the reason that crime is not high in my rural area is because everyone assumes that each and every farmhouse is full of armed citizens. (and they are correct) Pandora's box is open; if no one owned guns and they weren't everywhere we could all be anti-gun. It's too late for that, and I have NO problem with owning and carrying guns. gun violence is part of our society, unfortunately. No one can claim that TN has more guns per person than any other state, so there must be other reasons why we are No. 2 with this problem. I don't know the stats, but I'll bet that more gun crimes are committed with illegally held guns than permit-holders, would you agree?

October 10, 2011 at 6:08 p.m.
rick1 said...

lkeithlu:

I would agree with your post on more gun crimes being committed with illegally held guns than permit-holders. Also when cities conduct buyback programs in high crime areas the criminal is not there selling their gun? But the criminal knows there are fewer guns in the high crime neighborhood which increases the odds of them not being confronted with an armed homeowner.

The thug culture in our society has also caused gun violence to increase. The people who live in this type of culture do not value their life so they are not going to value anyone else’s life.

October 10, 2011 at 6:30 p.m.
tifosi said...

Why is it most gun owners refuse to follow the gun safety rules that any soldier knows? Secure your firearm unless it is on your body.

October 10, 2011 at 7:31 p.m.
Pass_it_on said...

I saw the race card pulled out above and cannot believe the tiptoeing around this issue. A black Chattanooga police chief released several articles over the past few years depicting an ugly truth. The majority of crimes are black on black. This IS a race problem ... not a white on black or a black on white problem.

The only time I see the NAACP come out is when there is a percieved white on black attack. The hordes and media press conferences ensue making sure EVERYONE hears about it.

NAACP = National Association for the ADVANCEMENT of Colored People.

Why aren't the black leaders and community coming out and attacking this problem enforce? Why aren't they calling media conferences organizing neighborhood watch programs? Why are they not attacking the roots of these problems? There is no more government money, that never worked. It will take action, like the Million Man March. It will take leaders like Martin Luther King. It will take mothers and grandmothers like Rosa Parks who will stand up and say, "ENOUGH is enough!" I know the church leaders are doing their level best. The politicians only come out when "the man" makes a mistake and pull the race card. Whitey can't do it because of three hundred years of horrible race relations. We now have a black president, we have black politicians with influence, black judges, black lawyers, black policeman ... ad infinitum.

This is not a gun problem, it is a race problem. Black attacking other blacks. The reasons are endemic and the only way they can break this escalating cycle is recognizing there is a problem with gangs, drugs and broken families that permeate and perpetuate this cycle. Fear and retaliation paralyzes those who try to make a positive impact. Why is that?

For the record, I am not racist. I am horrified and saddened to see this cycle perpetuate itself with no end in sight.

October 10, 2011 at 7:32 p.m.
cartman said...

How many people out there believe that once the guns are gone, the criminal mindset will just disappear? Evil is a major player in the game of life. Don't give into it and you win!

October 10, 2011 at 8:25 p.m.
headcoconut said...

The African-American culture will never rise above its situation until it stop begging outsiders to come in and map out its destiny. The African-American culture has long been exploited from within as without. Until they stop allowing others in they are only going to abuse their youth, especially their young males, they will continue to be overwhelmed with angry, violent young men hurting and killing one another. Take the situation in Atlanta where some cops on Atlanta's police force were accused of strip searching and sexually assaulting young blac males on the streets of Atlanta during routine traffic stops. Those young black males, angry, humiliated, sexually abused went back into their communities and, like most anyone, began to take that built up anger out on one another, their wives, their girlfriends, their children.

There's an interesting movie out about things that only came to light after the aftermath of the Katrina tragedy that may pretty much reveal what has been going on throughout America in primarily poor minority and, especially minority black communities at the hands of authority. Which may pretty much explain why young black males have become so angry and violent over the decades. It's already been acknowledged that when young white males are exposed to the same and similar mistreatment the outcome is even more deadly and anti-social.

There's a trigger point any every culture. Find the trigger point here and you might just find the solution. But most of all, the black community will have to come together and stop asking for laws they know will come back to haunt them. They have to stop making such assine laws such the saggy pants law the idiot black state senate in Florida place into effect after he was elected. They have to stop damning and condemning their young and their communities to outsiders and anyone who will listen.

October 10, 2011 at 9:36 p.m.
chioK_V said...

tnvolssuckbad said... I say let's get some of this stimulus money together and send them all back to the Motherland, that way they can call themselves African-Africans.

Or maybe, just MAAAAYYYYBEEE, we can get the gub'ment to send enough of that stimulus money to send all y'all @sses back. We originals were quite content before y'all Europas-Europas crashed landed onto our shores. You've raped and ravished the land ever since. Y'all can call your sorry @sses Europias-Europias!

October 10, 2011 at 11:01 p.m.
Echo said...

Yawn.. TN is not very densely populated, so the so called researchers with an agenda will run the numbers in every conceivable way and then the press will report the party line without context. Rankings can be deceptive, how many killings separate us from the next ten states in absolute numbers? Does that really mean anything significant? If 356 people were slain and 219 of those were by firearm, what was used for everyone else? Knives? Do I have to turn in my knives and eat with a spork and a blender? Baseball bats? No more little league? Run over? Give me your car!

Context: 90,000 people die in the U.S. EVERY YEAR due to infections that they get in a hospital, from a hospital. That is one person per month in every hospital in the US. More deaths than guns, car accidents, the war in Iraq, and the war in Afghanistan combined. That's like a 9/11 every week, all year, every year. Do you know how often a hospital is inspected? Once every three years. Only PA tracks the number of hospital acquired infections by hospital. However, cleaning hospitals doesn't provide political cover for pacifying the electorate so a socialist agenda can be imposed without resistance. That's why there's no interest in it from "the concerned"

As for those people getting shot, the kids and the innocents are a shame but most of these people are getting shot in the illegal drug business. Occupational hazard.

October 11, 2011 at 3:09 a.m.
rolando said...

Way too many logical posts here.

What happened to all the liberals who are scared near to death by the mere sight of a gun?

[Welcome to the "Dark Side", lkeithlu. Excellent post.]


tfosie said, Why is it most gun owners refuse to follow the gun safety rules that any soldier knows? Secure your firearm unless it is on your body.

Depends on your definition of "secure".

Any soldier in a combat zone who unloads his weapon, separates the ammo from the weapon, and locks both in separate containers would soon become a statistic. Yet that is exactly what anti-gunners expect gun owners to do...and whine/screech/clamor about it every chance they get.

Every gun in my house -- and they are scattered around -- is locked and loaded...something else soldiers learn to do while serving. When the kiddies are visiting, they are properly secured to prevent access.

There is nothing so useless as an unloaded gun.

October 11, 2011 at 9:12 a.m.
nowfedup said...

First let's address the gunnies that just gotta pack to save us all. The TN "qualification" is a sorry joke at best, you can "qualify" with handgun with 22 shorts, and then carry anything you want. Unlike autos, NO liability ins required, not even eye check and no "retest" Want even worse? GA HAS NO QUALIFICATION of any type, you do not even have to know how safety works, ONLY "qualification" is Judge signs off to "Carry" legally last I read. Have NOT heard law was changed, but sure hope so. GA can legally "Carry" in TN, frightening stuff. Sorry but those fools "packing" I have seen at ranges, frighten me more then criminals, and I have used handguns, expert with them, for over 40 years. Most cops not a big fan of carry laws, more so when "shots fired" and they have to sort our good guys and bad guys. Gun of all types are simply to easy to get at shows etc, I only hope those using handguns in crimes stick to handguns as most cannot hit anything, even the "qualified" with handgun, even more so under street conditions. Most frightening thought is folks with shotguns, hard to miss with them, but guns need to be more closely monitored, all types. No reason ever for honest man to object to having purchase of any gun/ammo held until check made.

October 11, 2011 at 9:39 a.m.
headcoconut said...

Great idea, nowfedup. I don't think any of us, pro or con, had ever thought about it from the position you've just mentioned. Indeed, all license gun owners should be required to carry some type of liability insurance. The more guns they own, the higher the insurance premiums. As it stands, a criminal who financially supported a politician, sheriff, judge etc. would be signed off and allowed to legally own and carry a gun. This only law abiding citizens should be allowed, is a joke at best and scary at its worst. There's no such thing as a law abiding citizen. Not even in law enforcement. There's just individuals who haven't been caught yet. Individuals who had the right connections, or individuals who haven't yet step across that line of being law abiding and a criminal. Like the Georgia soccer mom who murdered another Georgia soccer mom for cutting her off on the expressway in a fit of roadrage a few years back. Until that moment, that legal gun-toting soccer mom was a law abiding citizen.

October 11, 2011 at 10:11 a.m.
rolando said...

First let's address the gunnies that just gotta pack to save us all.

What gives you the warped idea that we are out to save you, fedup? We are armed to protect our families. It is your choice to do the same or depend on only-5-minutes-away police. Totally your choice.

Criminals don't have to get their [illegal] guns at gunshows...they only have to find an ATF/DoJ Agent to sell them one, and there are plenty of those around.

No reason ever for honest man to object to having purchase of any gun/ammo held until check made.

The finest reason to object is called the Second Amendment. Buying/Owning is our right; I would no more give that up than my Right to free speech and free religion...can't speak for you, of course.

October 11, 2011 at 11:34 a.m.
rolando said...

...just individuals who haven't been caught yet.

So, coconut, you walk around unarmed [in a number of ways] surrounded by guns...talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight.

...Georgia soccer mom who murdered another Georgia soccer mom...

You presume the woman had a Permit to carry, headcoconut, that she was a mother, and that she had a child who played soccer.

To say nothing about every criminal being innocent until caught.

October 11, 2011 at 11:42 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Rol your postings do amused the more evolved adults. The Amendment DOES NOT give all the right to buy or carry, you need to keep studying for the GED so you can join adults discussions. NOR does the Amendment say there can be NO checks on buyers, note FEDs made certain types of guns illegal to own, and laws stands. Your childish use of Amendment is about the same as you not to thinly disguised hates and intolerance of Muslim and minority which seems part of genes for the whacko gunnies AKA Hate and pack. Your kind disgrace and by the way, probably ably hand loaded more then you ever shot.

Note big shout by gunnies, is I can protect my family and make USA safer if I pack, own AK with 300 rd drums etc. Sorry but I am a long time very responsible gun owner, not a gunnie and know the gun thing has got way out of control. Note your fools errand on gun shows, studies have shown gangs etc buy guns at shows where NO background checks done. Noted you dodged the "any idiot can carry GA laws".

October 11, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.
fedup350 said...

It is not the gun that is out of control. It is society that is going down the toilet and as for Chattanooga, the killings are black on black but if you say that then the people with their heads in the sand want o call you a racist. As for Shelby County, TN it is a big majority black. Can anyone give the stats for the killings there? I bet it is majority black on black crime just like here in Chattanooga. I am not saying whites don’t commit the same crimes, I am saying that the majority of the crimes are committed by blacks even though they only make up about 14% of the U.S. populations. Yet the liberals want to blame the gun. How about blaming welfare and food stamps? How about blaming a system that pays you not to work? How about blaming a system that pays you to have more children and NOT get married?” Pass it on” is exactly correct but you wont see the liberals or the blacks admit that. Why? Because the liberals want to keep the blacks dependent on their handouts (welfare, EBT cards,etc) so they can keep their votes with promises of more handouts. The "black leaders" don’t want independent blacks that can make it on their own because then they will have no more power if the race baiting doesn’t work anymore. It is the same with the NAACP. It is not the guns; it goes way deeper than that.

October 11, 2011 at 4:23 p.m.
nowfedup said...

350' Your kkk type post is usual BS from such folks, you might check the data past week, note whites shooting up the place, but your spin is same that blacks are getting all the welfare,out of control etc, when real data does not support. Now go wash pointy hats,. sheets, and such,as you racist points are not true. Real issue is guns are much to easy to obtain and a background check should be required for both guns/ammo of all kinds. Honey people would not fear such and it is legal to do so.

October 12, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
fedup350 said...

nowfedup, you are the racist. The recipients of welfare are close to 50% percent black while only making up around 14% of the U. S. population. The U. S. prison system is over 50% black while they only make up around 14% of the U. S. prison population. The large majority of murders (97%) in Chattanooga in 2011 are black on black. (95% of the shootings in Chattanooga are black on black. Facts, not racism. Wake up, your people are killings each other while you blame everyone else. The KKK, which I absolutely abhor, didn’t kill 20 blacks in Chattanooga this year, other blacks did. Of course like I said in my original posts, once you say that about the percentages you are labeled a racist. I label you a fool nowfedup. A fool who cant even come up with an original posting name

October 12, 2011 at 5:09 p.m.
nowfedup said...

350 My little klaner, you amuse me and you obviously cannot see to well out of the slits in your mask, The welfare system is not majority black, the prison systems black over population is a direct product of racism, good ole boys legal circa 1890 regions values the run the SE to this day. Amusing how the elected fool that sponsored guns in bars, busted DWI with a gun. Same ole worn out racists run SE, just less obvious then before. But you concern for my post name kind of points out you are probably HS dropout, bitter and strike out at anyone. If remember right you were all over the Muslims as evil. When you study for GED you will find that racism is not limited to hate of one particular race, if you ever study. Sorry but you very thin veneer of righteous does not cover up your reality. But you do amuse the adults.

October 13, 2011 at 9:32 a.m.
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