published Thursday, September 8th, 2011

Decision 2012

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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fairmon said...

Cain can

September 8, 2011 at 1:32 a.m.
nucanuck said...

One of those wrenches will likely be the next President and with a full compliment of new support in Congress.

That Mr Goodwrench will have the opportunity of guiding the US through the most difficult period since our inception.

An already weakened Obama will be heading into next November with the economy in tatters. He's done.

September 8, 2011 at 1:46 a.m.
alprova said...

I wouldn't count Obama out yet. He has a year and two months left. A lot can change in that time. The fact of the matter is that in over 102 days, the Republicans have not put forth any effort to do anything to address the economy themselves.

I watched the debate last night and I was blown away to discover that MSNBC was the only national network to carry live coverage of the event. Fox News didn't even cover it.

Perry's position on Social Security will not garner him any votes. If he is the front running candidate, the Republicans will not win the Presidency.

Bachmann refused to answer questions posed her way, as usual. Ron Paul was out of touch and he scored last. Romney and Perry traded barbs, which was expected, but not productive at all.

If you ask me, the winner of this debate was Sarah Palin.

Obama will speak tonight. Let's see what he proposes and let's see what the Republicans in Congress do in response. Right now, the American people could care less who does something about jobs. They just want someone to do something, now.

September 8, 2011 at 5:39 a.m.
EaTn said...

If you liked the Bush presidency you'll love Perry: Social Security is a ponzi scheme and human effects on environment is a myth.

September 8, 2011 at 5:50 a.m.
woody said...

I used to watch the various debates (on both sides) as well as most presidential addresses. However, I didn't watch last night, nor will I tune in to the president's speech tonight.

The answer, as to why, is simple. I am sick and tired of manipulative political pandering.

Those taking part in last night's debate did nor said anything any different than all of those who have preceded them over the past half century, possibly even longer than that.

Likewise, tonight's speech by the president (and especially to a joint session of congress) will be another effort in futility. The opposition will be shown not applauding, slightly shaking some heads, talking to others close by, a few may be caught dozing, and all-in-all disagreeing with everything the president has to say.

Sadly..some of his own party may well be caught doing some of the same.

Here it is..everyone (or most) running for office, just like their predecessors, know what it will take to get this country back on track. But if one of them is elected he (or she) will quickly discover what Obama (and all of his predecessors) discovered..it has never been, nor will it ever be (until some serious changes are made) about what you know or what is right..it's only about what you can get done within your own party and, of course, how many of the opposition you can lure to your cause.

"The" Parties don't want what is right for the electorate. They want all they can get for their cause. In short..while running they all "talk the talk"..but after being elected, and even if they are really sincere in wanting to do that which is right, very few have ever, or ever been allowed to, "walk the walk."

So..fellow electorates..stop fawning over "The Talk" and get it in writing..preferably 'in blood'..Woody

September 8, 2011 at 6:48 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Nucanuck said: "One of those wrenches will likely be the next President . . . That Mr Goodwrench will have the opportunity of guiding the US through the most difficult period since our inception."

Believe you need to step outside the twilight zone, Nucanuck. There was only one candidate who seem to have potential and might have a chance in the real world, but since he shows signs of sanity, he’s not one of your party’s frontrunners.

September 8, 2011 at 7:01 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

If you want to throw a wrench in the process of encroaching socialism and big government the bigger the better!

If you want to throw a wrench in the economy, you are missing the 4 foot cast iron pipe wrench that is Barack Obama.

September 8, 2011 at 7:13 a.m.
chet123 said...

HARP3339....CAIN IS A MAN MADE IN RICH AND GREEDY IMAGE.....MAYBE HE FIRST NEED TO PROVE HIMSELF......SEE IF HE CAN HANDLE THE JOB OF SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER FIRST LOL LOL .....

September 8, 2011 at 7:27 a.m.
dude_abides said...

They certainly are a bunch of tools. The tea party would be the lug nuts that lay along the road as the wheels come off of the BACK TO BUSH bus.

September 8, 2011 at 7:31 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Woody said: “"The" Parties don't want what is right for the electorate. They want all they can get for their cause. In short..while running they all "talk the talk"..but after being elected . . . very few have been allowed to, "walk the walk."

Interesting, you should say this, Woody. I came to a similar realization last night. I think it was the rains, the floods, the tornados, the hurricanes, the tidal waves, and the out of control wildfires in Texas that brought it home in such a big way.

September 8, 2011 at 7:41 a.m.
patriot1 said...

alp....NBC cohosted the debate last night along with Politico...that is why Fox did not carry it....that's how it works..sorry to rain on your anti Fox parade, but I digress..

As things look now, anyone on that stage last night could defeat that little frail chain smoker we have in the White House.

September 8, 2011 at 8:30 a.m.
MTJohn said...

The slate of candidates is a caricature of the electorate and the picture is not flattering.

September 8, 2011 at 8:37 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "If you want to throw a wrench in the economy, you are missing the 4 foot cast iron pipe wrench that is Barack Obama."

Believe you've forgetting the wrench the Republicans tossed into the economy, BigRidgePatriot. The evidence is everywhere and is currently highlighted in the State of Texas where one of your fine Republican Governors cut funding for the state agency responsible for fighting wildfires. Not to worry though, the Federal government will try to squeeze a few taxpayer dollars from its FEMA budget to help fight the wildfires destroying those neighborhoods in Texas. Hopefully, there will enough in the FEMA budget to make a difference. Those military contractors fighting for oil in the M.E. have sort of hogged the biggest chunk of the Federal budget.

September 8, 2011 at 8:52 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

All of the Republican mistakes do not make Obama a smaller wrench.

Funny you mention the military contractors working under Obama's leadership. I am sure you are happy about that!

September 8, 2011 at 9:11 a.m.
limric said...

L4F - You missed your greatest opportunity ever.

"Just what would that be?" asks the flat top haircut trailer park Pinocchio?

Hint, What kind of wrench would your nemesis (that would be Obama) throw into the fray? C'mon...you KNOW you want to say it.


I'll say this about the set of wrench's. As loose a grip as Ron Paul has on some of the fittings of this country, when it comes to some really important nuts and bolts, he is a 'Snap On' or 'Craftsman' while the others are from the Dollar Store.

September 8, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

There has to be a better debate format than used thus far. It is a typical 60 seconds of sound bites, talking points with the media bias obvious. More probing questions and more topics are needed. Perhaps have one candidate at a time questioned at length without the others present. I would like to see each candidate provided one hour free time each month between now and the election which would compare to the presidents speaches and obvious compaigning as he goes.

Cris Mathews is an a**hole on an equal with Limbaugh. They remind me of each other and irritate the heck out of me.

September 8, 2011 at 9:33 a.m.
fairmon said...

mntl..

The point you keep ignoring is we are broke with borrowing power rapidly slipping. Several governors are cutting funding in areas that hurt but they are required to balance their budget although some have amassed huge deficits.

FEMA is broke and the national guard in the states are occupied in no win wars for oil so we can avoid utilizing our own resources. Keep doing your part and buying those imported products including gas with the tax breaks.

September 8, 2011 at 9:40 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Harp3339,

I think the debate format is fine as it is. I would however like the moderators to wap any candidate in the debate that obviously throws out BS with a paint gun.

That would be informative AND entertaining. Well, at least a bit more than when Michelle Bachmann opens her mouth.

September 8, 2011 at 9:42 a.m.
fairmon said...

What about having members of the opposing party being the questioners? The same when Obama starts campaigning. That should get at some critical issues.

September 8, 2011 at 10:10 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I want to hear Andrew Breitbart, Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin question Obama in a debate. That would be hilarious.

September 8, 2011 at 10:15 a.m.
timbo said...

TO ALL YOU LIBERALS.........It's time to give you a dose of reality. Every one says jobs are thle most important economic issue . Let me enlightene you . Most business people are conservative. These conservative business people control who is hired .They control whether or not employees have health insurance . They control how much they're paying thier employees .. Now, they are controlling their cash keeping it on the sidelines .
You liberals have no control over independent business people . If if you raise taxes we will raise prices to pay for it. A large part of our products you need to live . More. regulation and taxes, we just might go overseas . In in other words , you liberals and the government have very little real control . So is pissing us off a good strategy . Is insulting us , calling us teabaggers, saying we are stupid and trying to villiafy us a good strategy. The fact is, you can bitch, piss, moan, or stand on your head and whistle dixie out of your posterior and that will not change So, you can all kiss our collective butts.

September 8, 2011 at 10:38 a.m.
potcat said...

All of you are being distracted with these people who are running for "President".

Obama has done an excellent job, for the ones that actually gave him the "title", The "Big Money Cult" says who will get the "Title", not the VOTER.

Man, he has done their bidding! He says one thing and does another.

Obama will be the next President, its a done deal. He has done the Big boys bidding, so he will be the President, he has done a wonderful job, for the ones who picks and then he is vetted and he is in agreement with their wants,and that man is Obama.

The Voter has NOTHING to do with it!!! They do have to make it look that way, So here we go. over a year of NOTHING!!!

Obama will be the next appointed President Of The United States Of America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

September 8, 2011 at 10:41 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "Funny you mention the military contractors working under Obama's leadership. I am sure you are happy about that!"

Why do you keep forgetting that Congress is a separate, coequal branch of government, BigRidgePatriot? Indeed, if the majority in Congress wanted to change the status quo in this area, they certainly have the means and power to do so.

September 8, 2011 at 10:56 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

potcat,

Just to be clear, you believe the president is selected by the machine and Obama has done a great job of delivering to thier expectations?

Do you vote then, or just leave it up to the ruling class to deliver the chosen one?

September 8, 2011 at 10:58 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "Why do you keep forgetting that Congress is a separate, coequal branch of government"

You think Congress is controlling the use of contractors in the Middle East?

September 8, 2011 at 11:02 a.m.
EaTn said...

With the 9/11 ten year anniversary coming up, Obama could pull a Bush scare tactic and remind everyone how he has kept us safe the past three years and that if we don't re-elect him president bin Laden and friends will come over here and whop-up on us. Oh I forgot, Obama's military has already took most of them out.

September 8, 2011 at 11:29 a.m.
nucanuck said...

ml,

I won't be voting for any of the above wrenches and I lament the fact that such an intelligent man as Obama has turned out to be such a weak leader. Default leadership and a weak failing economy mean that almost anyone who gets the Republican nomination will be our next President. Not a comforting thought.

September 8, 2011 at 11:32 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Arab Spring for US?

This is an interesting article. Leftist mischief!

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45958

September 8, 2011 at 11:33 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "You think Congress is controlling the use of contractors in the Middle East?"

Yes, I believe Congress has a big say in this, BigRidgePatriot. In spite of what former Vice President Dick Cheney and the Republicans tried to claim during the Bush/Cheney era, the unitary executive concept is not the way the U.S. operates. Congress is still a separate, coequal branch of government, and it does have a say when it comes to budget priorities, which is why agencies like FEMA and the EPA are so underfunded.

The President, according to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, must submit a budget to Congress each year. In its current form, federal budget legislation law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a)) specifies that the President submit a budget between the first Monday in January and the first Monday in February. . .

The House and Senate Budget Committees begin consideration of President's budget proposals in February and March. Other committees with budgetary responsibilities submit requests and estimates to the Budget committees during this time. The Budget committees each submit a budget resolution by April 1. The House and Senate each consider those budget resolutions and are expected to pass them, possibly with amendments, by April 15. Budget resolutions specify funding levels for appropriations committees and subcommittees.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S...

September 8, 2011 at 12:04 p.m.
jesse said...

woody NAILED it!!

maybe the most astute comment i have seen any of you regulars on here post!!

September 8, 2011 at 12:14 p.m.
potcat said...

Dumb"A",I didn't say any thing about the Ruling Class, i am talking about "THE "Money Cult". These are a Secret bunch that run "WALL STreet" The "Big Bankers", the Rich could go down and a few Countries some alredy have, by a GREEDY few, by the ones that RUN the SHOW!!!!

Obama has done their bidding, thats a FACT!

Democratic President and a Democratic Congress extended the Bush Tax Cuts for the 1% wealthy of this Country, Obama said he would not do that.He did!!!

Obama cut the Regulations on Enviromental standards of the EPA, Which he said he wouldn't.He Did, Plus a number of other things, Oh say, LIke the WARS, now he's saying we are keeping Troops in Iraq, he said we were getting out, when he was running, someone obviously had a different agenda, which he went along with.

Enough said!!!

September 8, 2011 at 12:24 p.m.
lumpy said...

It's a given Obama has no leadership skills. At this point, I'm not sure anyone would have the audacity to claim otherwise. Regarding his intelligence, I don't see much evidence of that.

I'm not really convinced any of the Republican candidates are THE answer, yet I'll gladly vote for one of them over Obama.

September 8, 2011 at 12:31 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: The point you keep ignoring is we are broke with borrowing power rapidly slipping. Several governors are cutting funding in areas that hurt but they are required to balance their budget although some have amassed huge deficits.

And the point you keep ignoring is that these governors are big girls and boys, Harp3339. Where were they when the groundwork was being laid for an economic crisis, and where are they now? They have voices, they have power, and they have the means to let their voices be heard if they were truly interested in budget priorities and the overall well being of the citizens in their States.

Does of the former Governor of Massachusetts sound like he is concerned about the healthcare crisis that real people in this Nation are experiencing? Does he sound like he is concerned about the impact of the natural disasters we’ve been experiencing? The only cry that we’ve heard from this Governor was when he shouted out to an audience of real people that "corporations are people" too.

Does the Governor of Texas sound like a leader who is concerned with the urgent needs of those families and neighborhoods in Texas that are being destroyed by wildfires? At any time last night, did you hear Governor Perry say that President Obama and the U.S. Congress needed to prioritize our needs and put more money in the budget for the kind of natural disasters that States like Texas are/were experiencing?

September 8, 2011 at 12:44 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

You know potcat that I am thinking from a very different outlook than you are, right? When I asked that question I was trying to get around my paradigm and understand where you were coming from.

When you react in such a confrontational way you make it hard not to react to your tone and give up the quest for understanding.

Back to the subject at hand... If the “Money Cult” really has that much control over the president, if they, "RUN the SHOW", to the degree that you seem to believe, would it not be fair to call them the ruling class?

I am not arguing that Obama is not being controlled. I am wondering if you see any point in voting if the game is rigged as you suggest.

September 8, 2011 at 12:51 p.m.
potcat said...

I don't respect you and will treat you with the contempt you deserve. Whats with wanting to get all sugar ans spice, you started this by showing your contempt for almost every one on here,except the "NUT JOBS" that i pass over, like i am going to do you. Stop responding to me, i have no interest, zero interest in what you think, i already know, nothing new, Yawnnnnn.

September 8, 2011 at 1:12 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

I don't see any evidence in your response that leads me to believe that Congress has any control over how money is specifically spent.

Congress creates laws and provides funding. The Executive branch runs things. We need more than a regurgitation of the budget process to believe something different is going on.

September 8, 2011 at 1:15 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

potcat,

OK Potcat! If you just want to spout off and not communicate anything of substance, except to someone that already agrees with you, knock yourself out! I'll be happy to ignore you.

It takes real effort to ignore how obnoxious you are and try to understand your posts! I won't waste my time in the future. Salude!

September 8, 2011 at 1:23 p.m.
EaTn said...

This country will not elect a tea party president-- less than one-third approve of their tactics. That being said, the only one on the scene now that can beat Obama is Romney, but my guess is that the Texas money bags and tea party will somehow push Perry"Ponzi" into the slot.

September 8, 2011 at 1:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Clay Bennett almost certainly interprets "The Works" as the socialization of America. The leftists love of government intervention makes them view any return of liberty and responsibility for ones self as a hopeless tragedy. How Sad!

September 8, 2011 at 1:36 p.m.
potcat said...

big, i don't think anyone on here agrees with me.

Substance, hmmm..Substance,is that what you think you are spouting..he he ha ha he, If you don't understand my post then why are you trying to draw me into a conversation about it?

You understood perfectly, thats why you are such a damn liar!!

Adious

September 8, 2011 at 1:47 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

EaTn said... "less than one-third approve of their tactics"

Less than one-third approve of their tactics as described by a leftist media. Anyone who does not agree with the Tea Party does not understand the Tea Party, except for those advocating for the socialization of America (which would include Clay and his fan club).

September 8, 2011 at 1:49 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Perry's just your typical lowlife, hypocritical repuke talking out of both sides of his mouth. He stated, when he is president (LOL), he will make the Federal government as "inconsequential in Americans lives as possible" then turns right around and demands money from FEMA for help with his wildfires. Only another lowlife could fall for the lies of these Republican Koch suckers.

September 8, 2011 at 2:20 p.m.
timbo said...

anniebelle.....Perry's better than that low-life, no experience, Obama. He talks out of both sides of his mouth and his ass.

There is a huge difference accepting money form FEMA that your constituents paid in by taxes for an EMERGENCY. THAT IS WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS FOR.... The dumbest person on the face of the earth (or group, in this case liberals) are the ones that think they are smarter than every one else.

Is every conservative stupid, low-life, greedy, etc.?

Question: HOW MANY OF THE LIBERAL PEOPLE WHO POST, WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT? I'll just bet it is a high percentage.

September 8, 2011 at 2:43 p.m.
timbo said...

LibertariansforFreedom......The large corporations are only responsible for about 10% of US Jobs. Small business is about 65% so the federal government is about 15% of the jobs. Also, large corporations are run much like the government. They are alway begging for waivers, loans, grants, etc. so the taxpayer can subsidize them.

I think I will reprint it to see if any of our liberal poster have the guts to answer. Isn't it strange that none of the liberal have even tried to answer my other post. They don't even get their position on the totem pole.

"TO ALL YOU LIBERALS.........It's time to give you a dose of reality. Every one says jobs are thle most important economic issue . Let me enlightene you . Most business people are conservative. These conservative business people control who is hired .They control whether or not employees have health insurance . They control how much they're paying thier employees .. Now, they are controlling their cash keeping it on the sidelines ." You liberals have no control over independent business people . If if you raise taxes we will raise prices to pay for it. A large part of our products you need to live . More. regulation and taxes, we just might go overseas . In in other words , you liberals and the government have very little real control . So is pissing us off a good strategy . Is insulting us , calling us teabaggers, saying we are stupid and trying to villiafy us a good strategy. The fact is, you can bitch, piss, moan, or stand on your head and whistle dixie out of your posterior and that will not change So, you can all kiss our collective butts."

September 8, 2011 at 2:54 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: “I don't see any evidence in your response that leads me to believe that Congress has any control over how money is specifically spent. . . The Executive branch runs things. We need more than a regurgitation of the budget process to believe something different is going on.

Shame on you, BRP. I’m beginning to think we should change your name to LazyBoyPatriot. Indeed, Congress has a big say and has repeatedly had the opportunity to deal with some of the blatantly outrageous happenings with these military contractors.

In fact, as I recall a Senator from North Dakota tried to get Congress to deal with war profiteers like Halliburton a number of years ago, but politicians like Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) opted to ignore things like feces in the soldiers’ water, expired and substandard food, $85,000 trucks with flat tires abandoned in the desert, and $1 billion in questionable charges:

“. . . the House had a chance to do something when Waxman attached Amendment 746 to the $70 billion plus emergency war and reconstruction package. The amendment prohibited future contracts with companies that had overcharged the government by $100 million or more. Even though Halliburton is the only company with such a dubious distinction, only 11 Republicans voted for the measure. House Armed Services Chair Duncan Hunter went so far as to praise the company for its “good, hardworking people” and to claim that he and other House leaders did not know why Waxman wanted hearings on Halliburton’s track record in Iraq.

Why doesn’t Congress do more? Part of the answer lies in the political weight Halliburton throws around Washington, doling out hundreds of thousands in campaign contributions and accumulating more than $1 million in lobbying bills in the past few years. Since 2000, the company has contributed more than $645,000 to congressional campaign coffers, with more than 90 percent going to Republicans. Their lobbying expenditures are also sky-high. After spending more than $1 million on the services of firms like Baker Botts LLP (as in Bush Senior’s Secretary of State James Baker III) and Vinson & Elkins in 2004, Halliburton spent another $372,000 in 2005."

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2847/

September 8, 2011 at 2:56 p.m.
timbo said...

mountainlaurel...Do you work for the democrat party? You always write like you have Cliff Notes in Front of you. What website are you using? Who cares about ancient history? NEWFLASH...George Bush is no longer President.

September 8, 2011 at 3:02 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

OK, BENNETT, DRAW A PACK OF SCREWDRIVERS WITH DEMOCRAT PRIMARY WRITTEN ON TOP. YOU MUST HAVE BALANCE, YOU KNOW.

September 8, 2011 at 3:04 p.m.
timbo said...

mountainlaurel....Oh, by the way, Halliburton only put feces in the democrat soldiers water. I also think that republicans pulled the hair on their legs.

September 8, 2011 at 3:05 p.m.

well Hi. i talked already on cookout & expert (that's funny cause i'm not expert @ cookouting!) i see there's alot of expert smarties here so i came to learn how to be a better logger. i get around and went to school to learn and read. we had to go to the library alot and read old books. i read so many! then i noticed today there's alot of books and stuff that i read before but now they are changed! some of the words are gone and online too! oh well, maybe yall can help me out with this.

As things look now, anyone on that stage last night could defeat that little frail chain smoker we have in the White House.(paytriot1) i noticed that too! he (she?) has long pointy skinny fingers that point alot at you. i wonder about those fingers, michelles too!

Perry's just your typical lowlife, hypocritical repuke talking out of both sides of his mouth. He stated, when he is president (LOL), he will make the Federal government as "inconsequential in Americans lives as possible" then turns right around and demands money from FEMA for help with his wildfires. Only another lowlife could fall for the lies of these Republican Koch suckers(anniebelle)

doesnt 'anniebelle' mean beautiful annie? such a pretty name but oh how angry she is! i'm sorry annie you are so angry at Mr Perry. did he hurt you? i'm sorry, if he was your dad and he hurt you and i was your naybor, i would walk over and tell him off for you. then maybe you would sound kinder, better and be like the libral people are-they say that theyre the best! so smart and all! you could be like that annie! just try, try and try again!

September 8, 2011 at 3:08 p.m.

I won't be voting for any of the above wrenches and I lament the fact that such an intelligent man as Obama has turned out to be such a weak leader (nucanuck-what does this mean? is she eskimo and kisses with her nose?)

i read on the other log that she said misterobama is "done" too. if we did a cookout would he be charcoaled or charbroiled? LOL-i'm so funny! but i think mrs nucanuck is really mean to say that about such a president here. boy i think yall must be so smart and stuff. yall know what we dont because we cant read the future! so i wonder. who's done and not done. if you dont vote youre not American and mightaswell be eskimo!! hehe, so funny i am!

September 8, 2011 at 3:21 p.m.

If you ask me, the winner of this debate was Sarah Palin.(mrsalprova) boy! she is SO smart and she must LOVE mrs palin! that's good cause Sarah is loved by jillions of people and all those jillions cant all be dumb can they? probably not as smart and stuff like mrsalprova who tells us the future all the time i have read this on three! places here so far that she wrote on. so smart and she knows it and isnt afraid to say so! so there!

September 8, 2011 at 3:27 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "I’m beginning to think we should change your name to LazyBoyPatriot."

Boy you gals are mean today!

Congress certainly has an oversight role in federal spending and as such can make rules restricting how contracts are allotted. Isn't it the military chain of command or the executive branch that actually awarded those no-bid contracts to companies like Halliburton?

September 8, 2011 at 3:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

From your article...

"Since the beginning of the war in Iraq, Halliburton has been working for the Pentagon under the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP)—"

September 8, 2011 at 3:37 p.m.

Mr bennett must be so smart too and so good at art! He (she?) draws that package up there with the wrenches SO good! real good. why theres a nice neat pink holder with alot of shiny wrenches all lined up straight and perfect-soo perfect. maybe he has long skinny fingers too and i bet theyre clean! soo clean. and his mind too, to draw like that, what do people call that kind? Annall or something?

Well anyway he marks the wrenches with alot of names and makes them smaller and smaller. and then talks about throwin those wrenches in the works. here i just dont know. what works? the works that are workin now? the works that need workin? hey, my daddy told me i need workin too sometimes! and so does everybody! isn't that funny, i am! anyway someone told me all the congress and washingtin needs workin too-alot! for a long, long time now. maybe Mr b needs to add alot more names to that drawin!

now i'm going to say Mr b needs an award hes so good! why i see up there a mr joe poolitzer and maybe if he'll be real nice to mrB he could give him one of those shiny Poolitser awards that are so good! now wouldnt that be the day! mrB could go home and say to his wife or man partner, HEY! i won the Poo! now aint that the best one yet! hehe, so funny!

September 8, 2011 at 3:43 p.m.
miraweb said...

Romney has name recognition. Huntsman has actual credentials. The most likely, though, is Perry who has the Texas Mob Funding Machine (though a bad case of the fidgets on camera). Perry is just Bush-esque enough that it could fire up the left again. They might not vote for Obama - but they might well vote against Perry.

September 8, 2011 at 5:21 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "Boy you gals are mean today! . . . Congress certainly has an oversight role in federal spending and as such can make rules restricting how contracts are allotted."

Which is the point I was making, BigRidgePatriot or is it LazyBoyPatriot? Clearly, Congress has had cause and the opportunity to do something about these corrupt military contractor profiteers, but politicians like Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) have opted to ignore their responsibility to public as well as the U.S. military.

BigRidgePatriot said: "Since the beginning of the war in Iraq, Halliburton has been working for the Pentagon under the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP)—"

I recall reading a news article several years ago about the Federal auditors citing the $1 billion in overcharges. In addition to things like contaminated water, substandard food, and $85,000 trucks with flat tires being abandoned in the desert, I read that Halliburton was charging the government $45 for a six pack of Coca Cola.

September 8, 2011 at 5:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountianlaurel,

It sounds like you are using Congress's oversight role to assign them responsibility for the military contractors. Will you not admit that they are overseeing the activity of the Executive branch in this regard?

It seems to me that you want to blame Congress because it is partially controlled by Republicans while completely letting the Executive Branch, namely, Obama, off the hook. While I share your concern about the out of control spending I think you are stretching to find a way to make Republicans responsible for an ongoing problem that is being perpetuated by Democrats, by Obama.

I am not being lazy, I just do not accept that argument!

September 8, 2011 at 5:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

By the way. If I was going to deliver a six pack of Coca Cola into a war zone I would probably charge $45 too. How much would you risk your life and limb for, $2.50? $5.00?

September 8, 2011 at 6 p.m.
rolando said...

All right, that does it. Two posts from nucanuck and one from woody all day...and they are hardly their usual postings.

So. What have you guys done with the real nucanuck and woody? I remember what they were like on here a couple years ago and they were nothing like the mildly disgusted and fed up characters showing today.

Actually, I kinda sorta like the new ones. Hopefully, they will stick around.

Obama isn't the smart one...he never was. Wily, even cunning perhaps, certainly politically savvy, but not smart. Alinsky was the smart one -- Obama just put his words into effect...disastrous effect. Really, he hasn't a clue on how to run or even contribute to a government at any level...even worse, he coesn't even know how to surround himself with those who DO know...perhaps because they will make him look bad.

September 8, 2011 at 6:08 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: “It seems to me that you want to blame Congress because it is partially controlled by Republicans while completely letting the Executive Branch, namely, Obama, off the hook. . . you are stretching to find a way to make Republicans responsible for an ongoing problem that is being perpetuated by Democrats, by Obama.

No, you’ve got it wrong, BigRidgePatriot. I simply do not believe in the unitary Executive concept. Our government is set up in a certain way and there is a legitimate balance in power. When George W. Bush was President, I felt the same way about Congress. In the case of these corrupt military contractors, I agree that the Pentagon should have acted when the Federal auditors presented their findings, but they didn’t, which put it in the hands of Congress. Do you or do you not think Congress should do its job? It’s not like the members of Congress are poor little waifs who need the protection of BigRidgePatriot.

September 8, 2011 at 6:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo said... "TO ALL YOU LIBERALS.........It's time to give you a dose of reality..."

Hey timbolina, do you see what's happening in Longview? While I don't agree with what's going on, I understand how it can happen when business owners cop an attitude like yours. Sounds as though they had a Grain Party at the port! Apparently you're not the only reality prescribing pharmacist in this big, crowded, scary world.

September 8, 2011 at 6:33 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "By the way. If I was going to deliver a six pack of Coca Cola into a war zone I would probably charge $45 too."

Well, I can see you don't have much business experience, BigRidgePatriot. When you bid on a contract all things are taken into consideration. Your costs are incorporated in your bid for the job. This is how the Federal auditors were able to determine that the contractors had overcharged the government over $1 billion dollars?

September 8, 2011 at 6:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

I am not saying that there is not over charging going on. It happens with everything the government gets involved in. But really, what do you think would be a fair price to deliver a six pack to Camp Freedom?

It's a much more entertaining question than arguing that the government gets charged too much, we both know that is the case.

September 8, 2011 at 7:37 p.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said...But really, what do you think would be a fair price to deliver a six pack to Camp Freedom?

A fair price would be that which the company agreed to charge when it signed the contract.

September 8, 2011 at 7:42 p.m.
tderng said...

BRP...considering that you are going to be driving a $85,000 vehicle,crossing hostile and deadly territory,carrying very expensive weaponry to help with the crossing,and paying some brave soul enough to deliver said six-pack,$45.00 bucks sounds like a good deal!

September 8, 2011 at 8:05 p.m.
limric said...

I HAVE delivered to combat areas. I'd do it again -- for nothing! War profiteers should be put in stocks in the town square.

tderng, Your last post disgusts me. You are neither mighty nor a mouse. You certainly aren't a patriot - you just smell bad.

September 8, 2011 at 8:16 p.m.
tderng said...

lol limric...I see you don't understand tongue in cheek humor.Personally I don't understand why we pay anyone to do what our military personnel are already paid and trained to do.Logistics should be part and parcel of any military operation.planned and carried out by our own military.Outsourcing these things always leads to theft and corruption.However,it does lead to having a scapegoat for hiding black-ops diversion of money.

September 8, 2011 at 8:43 p.m.
tderng said...

and limric,just so you know,I have received supplies by way of the by God bravest and best chopper pilots the world has ever produced.

September 8, 2011 at 8:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "I HAVE delivered to combat areas. I'd do it again -- for nothing!"

Thank you for your service limric. After you have recruited all the volunteers you can and still do not have enough personnel I suppose you either need to draft or hire contractors. I think I prefer the contractor approach.

September 8, 2011 at 9:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

I just watched the speech. Put him on a platter, put a fork in him and serve him, he is done. Watched the debates, no new turkey there worth dressing. What the hey are people to do? Do you think China would steal Bernanke, they are taking everything else?

September 8, 2011 at 10:26 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tderng said...Outsourcing these things always leads to theft and corruption.

Doing it with military personnel also leads to theft and corruption. But, the price tag is a lot less. Regardless, the notion of privatizing military operations makes not sense.

September 8, 2011 at 10:28 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "It's time to give you a dose of reality. Every one says jobs are thle most important economic issue . Let me enlightene you . Most business people are conservative."

And...??? The correct terminology is that most business people support Republicans. There is nothing conservative about far too many people in business these days. They would screw their own mother if they could pocket a dollar. They worship the almighty dollar. See if it will buy their way into heaven.

"These conservative business people control who is hired .They control whether or not employees have health insurance . They control how much they're paying thier employees ."

That all depends on market forces. When jobs are plentiful, the control reverts to the employee. Horrible employers then are forced to cough up more pay and bennies to attract employees willing to work for them.

"Now, they are controlling their cash keeping it on the sidelines ." You liberals have no control over independent business people."

Why yes we do. This is not Russia. No one is forced to work for any employer in this nation. I for one, refuse to work for anyone that does not meet MY standards.

"If if you raise taxes we will raise prices to pay for it."

That is a given. But that only holds true for as long as your competitors do not under-price you.

"A large part of our products you need to live . More. regulation and taxes, we just might go overseas ."

Good riddance is my response to that. If you want to punch out and leave this country, more power to you.

"In in other words , you liberals and the government have very little real control . So is pissing us off a good strategy . Is insulting us , calling us teabaggers, saying we are stupid and trying to villiafy us a good strategy."

Okay, if you say so.

"The fact is, you can bitch, piss, moan, or stand on your head and whistle dixie out of your posterior and that will not change So, you can all kiss our collective butts."

And you Sir, can kiss mine. It's employers with attitudes like you demonstrated today in your two posts that have destroyed any concept of loyalty in this nation. The more you post, the more I am inclined to label you a complete B.S. artist.

Whatever the case is, if you are truly a businessman that employs people, I wouldn't work for you for ten minutes before I would punch out and head home, especially if you voiced any of the crap you just spewed in here today.

I'll guarantee you that I've quit better jobs than one you would ever offer to me over crap like that. Some things are just not worth 8 hours of misery per day, no matter what the job pays.

September 8, 2011 at 11:05 p.m.
hambone said...

alprova. An eccellent post for ol' timbo.

However I beleive he is a complete PHONEY BS ARTIST!!

September 8, 2011 at 11:43 p.m.
timbo said...

alprova....I could care less what you think. Your probably a Wal-mart greeter instead of an accountant. By the way, lots of strippers claim to be accountants. Maybe your a stripper. The only B.S. artists are you and you other homies parroting whatever crazy crap MoveOn.org comes up with. I wouldn't hire a stripper anyway.

Also, I didn't present an "attitude." I stated facts. Everything I said was true. I didn't say one thing about good employees. I just stated who has control. It is not smart to "poke the bear."

Your business advice is useless. You are either a Wal-mart greeter, stripper, or an accountant. All on the same level. Accountants are just financial plumbers. Basically you have been replaced by Quickbooks.

September 8, 2011 at 11:45 p.m.
timbo said...

dude_abides......Oh, you still love me. The Longview grain terminal should just shoot trespassers. You said you didn't support violence but..... Some of us old business guys are pretty tough too. With 9% unemployment I would just repeat my last post that stated that WE HAVE CONTROL AND YOU DON'T.

By the way, no one is intimidated by union thugs. You've watched "HOFFA" too many times. Didn't he end up in jail.

What kind of country do we have that says that business can't hire who they want, or move wherever they want. Pretty pathetic and un-American.

Just the fact that you used this example reveals that you and the rest of you socialists are not really serious about jobs. Go ahead, keep pissing us off.

September 8, 2011 at 11:55 p.m.
fairmon said...

Harp3339 said: The point you keep ignoring is we are broke with borrowing power rapidly slipping. Several governors are cutting funding in areas that hurt but they are required to balance their budget although some have amassed huge deficits.

And the point you keep ignoring is that these governors are big girls and boys, Harp3339. Where were they when the groundwork was being laid for an economic crisis, and where are they now? They have voices, they have power, and they have the means to let their voices be heard if they were truly interested in budget priorities and the overall well being of the citizens in their States

mntl... When was the groundwork laid for a potential crisis, what was it? Our local government didn't prepare, I know of no state government that did and it is evident the federal government never has. That is the reason none of them have any wiggle room left.

September 9, 2011 at 2:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

mntl ask... Does the Governor of Texas sound like a leader who is concerned with the urgent needs of those families and neighborhoods in Texas that are being destroyed by wildfires? At any time last night, did you hear Governor Perry say that President Obama and the U.S. Congress needed to prioritize our needs and put more money in the budget for the kind of natural disasters that States like Texas are/were experiencing?

I didn't see anyone in the debate that was impressive and I sure don't want another Texas cowboy as POTUS. However, I don't think every state crisis is a federal responsibility except when they interfere with the states ability to handle their own problems by doing things like taking their national guard from them. FEMA is broke and has gone far beyond the original scope of their initial charter which was primarily to assure vigilance and coordinated efforts to protect citizens from terrorist. In many cases hey have become another abused federal welfare program.

What do you see as a federal government responsibility in Texas beyond possibly assisting if needed with containment and control of the fires?

September 9, 2011 at 2:30 a.m.
jimbob said...

timbo,In order for any one to kiss your butt.You would have to move your nose.

September 9, 2011 at 6:57 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tinytimbo, I feel honored to have the attention of the man who speaks for the collective asses of the business community nationwide. I think we all owe you a debt of gratitude for carrying us for so long. May I suggest a name for your autobiography? Atlas Bagged!

September 9, 2011 at 7:30 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Harp - and the point that you and others seem to forget is that the notion we could borrow and spend our way into prosperity is integral to trickle down economics and morning in America.

September 9, 2011 at 8:03 a.m.
MTJohn said...

For the love of money is the root of all evil and the love of money drives free market capitalism. Several posts in this thread demonstrate that In God We Trust is an oxymoron.

September 9, 2011 at 8:06 a.m.
rolando said...

Even more corruption in the White House...

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/09/09/obamas_uncle_quietly_released_from_jail/?p1=Local_Links

As if the corruption isn't bad enough, here is The Hussein's latest decision making process:

http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/fun/Mallard_Fillmore/

Isn't it time?

September 9, 2011 at 8:32 a.m.
limric said...

tderng,

And I thought I was the king of tongue in cheek. Don’t know what brought out the crankiness last night. Maybe just the mere thought of taking advantage of some Joe sitting in a hole in the sandbox set me off. I’ll take you at your word that your post was flippant jab at logistical outsourcing.

That being said, you have my humble apologies.

Depending on your age, amidst the noise, wind swirled dust and grass; the guy in the door yelling at you guys the to hurry the F*#k up - was me.

September 9, 2011 at 8:34 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said...

Harp - and the point that you and others seem to forget is that the notion we could borrow and spend our way into prosperity is integral to trickle down economics and morning in America

No where will you find where I promote borrowing and spending. Neither will move this country to prosperity. It will move us closer to oblivion. Permanent spending reductions and permanent tax reforms have the possibility if we haven't gone too far past the tipping point already.

The temporary actions are just that, temporary, and any resulting improvements will also be temporary. It seems for each incentive there is an equal or greater inhibiting action by one of the many regulatory agencies.

September 9, 2011 at 8:51 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

We should throw anything into the works we have now. Whatever those works are, they're not working!

September 9, 2011 at 9:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

Similar to the message to the joint session of congress. I am requesting that people send me $10,000 each and I will outline for you later how you can recover it without borrowing money. Surely you trust that I can do that since I developed a plan to provide health care to over 10 million uninsured without it costing more. As you know those previously uninsurable and with pre-existing conditions with children kept on their parents coverage until age 26 will be at no additional cost and without affecting your current coverage, that is my promise to you. Therefore, I am sure you will be confident I can improve the economy and sustain it with similar magic and temporary measures.

September 9, 2011 at 9:07 a.m.
tderng said...

limric...I have only one word for you then..THANKS from charlie co. war zone C

September 9, 2011 at 9:20 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said...No where will you find where I promote borrowing and spending. Neither will move this country to prosperity. It will move us closer to oblivion.

I didn't suggest that you had and I agree with you regarding the consequences of thinking that we can borrow and spend our way into prosperity.

The fact remains that, in 1980, this country was faced with a critical choice. We could face economic reality and make sacrifices for the sake of the long term economic health of our country or we could stick our heads in the sand (or, worse, in the place where the sun don't shine). We chose the Pied Piper of Profligacy. It worked for awhile. But, just like the Fram oil filter commercial, "pay me now or pay me later". It's now later and we are paying the consequences of the selfish choice we made 31 years ago.

September 9, 2011 at 9:26 a.m.
twharr said...

Let's just have another civil war and be done with it.

September 9, 2011 at 9:50 a.m.
MTJohn said...

twharr - the civil war is almost over. Rupert Murdoch et al. will win.

September 9, 2011 at 10:33 a.m.
timbo said...

Jimbob.... That was childish. Is that the best you got? At least dude-abides is entertaining. I can't wait to read his response. He insults me with creativity. Try harder.

September 9, 2011 at 12:33 p.m.
timbo said...

dude-abides.... you need to give some of guys lessons, there responses aren't insulting enough to be entertaining. How about my auto-biography being called: "How I survived Obama?"

September 9, 2011 at 12:36 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "dude-abides.... you need to give some of guys lessons, there responses aren't insulting enough to be entertaining."

You know what? You just proved that you are soliciting responses to your outrageous claims. That makes you nothing more than a common forum troll. This is all a joke to you.

Ignoring you henceforth would be the best course of action.

Could you possibly be Francis? The timeline of your appearance in the forum fits, after your last outing. He liked playing games too.

September 9, 2011 at 1:37 p.m.
inthemiddle said...

"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper’s bell of an approaching looter."

September 9, 2011 at 1:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

This kid's been hanging with alprova and dude!

http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2011/09/08/91585

September 9, 2011 at 2:39 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Hardy Har Har!

http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2011/09/07/91535

The lesson of the story is, if you want sharp political satire don't bother with Clay Bennett!

September 9, 2011 at 2:46 p.m.
timbo said...

alprova... I don't know what a whatamacallit troll is. I was being SARCASTIC about the insults you fool because that is all you guys know how to do. When I started this whimsical journey I tried to be serious and just write the facts. I was paid back by being called stuff I am not.

Stupid, dishonest, troll,teabagger, gay, Neanderthal .....how in the world can I take you crazy people seriously. So I get involved in a little levity, because you people have no chance to hurt my feelings, they you say I am not a businessman, blah, blah, blah..

Even thought you think you can, you can't have it both ways.

September 9, 2011 at 2:59 p.m.
timbo said...

nooga.....Now you just proved what I wrote to alprova above. For your information I have 15 employeed and never had anyone quit. I've been in business for 19 years. I pay 20 plus per hour and provide bonuses and insurance. If you reread what I said, it only stated the truth. YOU LIBERALS AND OBAMA HAVE NO REAL CONTROL OVER US. I did not say one thing about abusing employees. That is some lie that you, dude_abides, and alprova made up.

Independence is why most people start a business. I don't want your help or the governments help. Just leave us alone and quit giving our money away to stupid government programs and big businesses. We should all fail or succeed without the government picking the winners and losers.

If I did have a hot dog stand that would be better than working for someone else.

I am not and never will be a republican or democrat. They both are progressives and they both suck. I am just flabbergasted about how you guys just ignore common sense. It's like I am arguing with some kid about whether or not there is a Santa Claus. You like the government because you have a grudge against successful people due to jealousy.

The government is Santa Claus to you. An unlimited amount of free stuff that someone else has to pay for. It is time to grow up. Free stuff costs someone money.

All you want is to have this little space all to yourselves to bash conservatives without anyone firing back. That ain't gonna happen. I might be "scum sucking" but I haven't voted for a republican for a long time. I am a conservative independent.

September 9, 2011 at 3:18 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

nooga said... “I have a title for your auto biography (How I screwed my employees)the life and workings of a scum sucking republican1

Here’s a better title: ‘The Prophesies of a Megalomaniac Poser’

September 9, 2011 at 3:38 p.m.
mystyre said...

my vote is for cain. he sounds like he wouldn't cause to much trouble.

hey timbo, you wouldn't happen to be in need of a .net programmer, would you? lol. a brother's trying to get some experience.

September 9, 2011 at 4:51 p.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo, timbo

arms akimbo

leaned right back and did the limbo

dragged his bag across BuRP's face

they ended with a warm embrace

...and you have the temerity to call me childish?

September 9, 2011 at 4:54 p.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn...

"pay me now or pay me later". It's now later and we are paying the consequences of the selfish choice we made 31 years ago

I agree, it is not a recent event with both parties fully participating. The warning signs have been there. It is ignoring tornado, hurricane and flood warnings, people just can't believe it. Delaying the pain will only make it last longer and more difficult to relieve.

September 9, 2011 at 5:04 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude,

You crack me up!

September 9, 2011 at 5:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

Why are more people not willing to risk all their capital plus borrowed capital to start a business when they have partners that will participate. The partners won't invest or have anything at risk? A few examples, not all, of what the partners will do are:

1-Tell you who and how to hire.

2-Provide more rules and regulations than needed or necessary.

3-Tell you how to construct a facility. The partners may include some building requirements that are not logical but they have a lot of partners so they have to use a one size fits all concept.

4-For a fee they will issue license, permits, make inspections and look over your shoulder all the way. Keep in mind the partner is busy and may cause a few delays.

5-The partner will tell you how much you are to pay employees and when you have to pay them. The partners will require you provide and fund some employee benefits.

6-The partners will provide your employees several and various ways to file legal action against you whether it is justified or not.

7-The partners will encourage and assist your employees in becoming union regardless of how well you comply with all the rules and how well you treat them so they can insist on inefficient work rules and help you run the business. note: The partners are also partners with unions that support their political ambitions.

8-The partners will require you to file with them various reports at a frequency they determine.

The partners will require that you add to the price of your product or service enough to share revenue with with them in the form of annual license, fees and taxes. The partners require you to pay them up to 35% of any after cost profits.

Keep in mind the partners (local, state and federal gov.'s) are also growing and expanding their own business and their control over peoples lives so they have to extract revenue from your business to help them do that.

Should you be successful and sell the business the partner will demand a share of the capital gains without adjustments for inflation. Heaven forbid if you are inconsiderate enough to die, the partner will demand one half of the value of the business before your heirs get anything.

With partners like that it seems everyone should be getting into some type of business in America so those they don't take a risk will have a place to work.

Don't be offended when the partners attack businesses in public forums and include you without good cause and make people dislike and not trust you. They have to do that to stir up voters so they can retain their position.

September 9, 2011 at 5:58 p.m.
aidehua said...

Only a libtard could like your pathetic cartoons. You're a great artist but alas you've drunk too much Kool-Aid. Maybe they've paid you to sell your soul for the seditious left in America. Can't understand how you look yourself in the mirror after putting your name on the crap you publish every week. Why don't you move to Chicago or some other liberal hellhole?

September 9, 2011 at 6:45 p.m.
timbo said...

dude_abides......Well your little poem was quite catchy. I am proud I made you waste a bunch of your time writing it. It proved once and for all that you are childish.

By the way, when someone accuses a person of some strange sexual deviancy like you described in your post so vividly, it is either you are speaking from experience with your boyfriend or you are fantasizing about it. Either way it is strange.

Don't be afraid dude. Fly your rainbow flag proudly. Maybe you can talk your boyfriend into fulfilling those fantasies.

I actually think that you need to be Frank with your boyfriend. He was Frank last night it is your turn. You don't have to be Alice every time.

By the way, I am full of Timerity.

September 9, 2011 at 6:49 p.m.
MTJohn said...

inthemiddle said...

"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper’s bell of an approaching looter."

You either intentionally misinterpreted what I said or didn't bother to take the time to understand before you posted your reply.

I did not say - and Scripture does not say - that money is evil. It is the LOVE of money - GREED - that is evil.

September 9, 2011 at 7:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Leftists confuse ambition and a desire to have nice things for your family with greed.

September 9, 2011 at 9:22 p.m.
twharr said...

These men, Repubs and their goons called Tea-Party Evangelicals, are full of bologna...thankfully, Hardees has a bisquit for that.

September 9, 2011 at 10:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo, sorry. I didn't mean to infer a sexual relationship between you guys. I thought that was like y'all's secret handshake or something. When I was a kid, you would hear people say "gimme five!" I presume at your tea bag rallies one might hear "gimme two!" If the Supreme Court was full of teabag party appointees, would we have to change the acronym to S.C.R.O.T.U.S.?

September 9, 2011 at 11:09 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

twharr,

This is what a goon looks like.

WARNING: Extreme Profanity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFHBGGvuQhA&feature=player_embedded

September 9, 2011 at 11:44 p.m.
fairmon said...

At a meeting with several intellectuals in the Lincoln room JFK said never had so much intelligence gathered in one place since Thomas Jefferson was in that same room alone.

Jefferson wrote something like:

When the public learns they can vote themselves wealth from the public treasury the republic will fail.

Are the greedy those that can but don't while criticizing success? Is it greedy to demand those earning their success with sweat equity, sacrifice and hard work share their success. Many call objecting to the governments confiscation and redistribution greedy because they think they have a right to share in the success of others.

September 9, 2011 at 11:45 p.m.
fairmon said...

BRP...

Some lucky business owner has that diplomatic union guy to help run the business, how lucky can you get? You can tell he is a good worker willing doing whatever is necessary to make the business viable long term....do you think?

September 9, 2011 at 11:52 p.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said...When the public learns they can vote themselves wealth from the public treasury the republic will fail.

Are the greedy those that can but don't while criticizing success? Is it greedy to demand those earning their success with sweat equity, sacrifice and hard work share their success.

Harp - I have a few thoughts in response to your post. Greed drives free market capitalism. We live that economic system. All of us are motivated by greed.

A segment of our society has, in fact, discovered that they can vote themselves wealth from the public treasury. Those folks are well represented on K Street.

The most successful in our system have been more successful in leveraging their greed than they have been in leveraging their sweat equity.

September 10, 2011 at 7:48 a.m.
Rufus_T_Firefly said...

Aint it the Truth! Sadly.

more....

September 10, 2011 at 9:10 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn..

There is a lot of that on K st. Do you think political greed that enables them to profit through the treasury might be the root cause?

September 10, 2011 at 7:15 p.m.
MTJohn said...

harp - I think human nature is the root cause. That the wealthy and powerful are able to establish and leverage political connections to their selfish advantage is just a manifestation of a flaw that we all share. Whether wealthy and strong or poor and weak, each of us is motivated by greed. The only real difference is that a few of us are better positioned to take advantage of the rest of us.

September 10, 2011 at 7:40 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Big Ridge Patriot 7:13am nailed it; compared even with Bush jr, President Obama has wrenched the country in bad directions. Most of the GOP contenders he lists would do better (probably all, but a couple I couldn't get enthused about.)

MT, government uses sheer power to satisfy greed. Businesses have to at least try to satisfy their customers and offer something in exchange for money. Henry Ford got rich selling cars (to the poor; he went broke trying to sell to the rich.) The aristobureaucracy get paid by taxpayers, not by customers. So to limit greed, shrink the government.

September 11, 2011 at 12:45 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Andrew - government is inanimate. Greed is an attribute of people, not government. Government wields power to serve the interests of those who control it and K Street is in control. Reduce government and you also reduce the constraints that limit the ability of the wealthy and powerful to take advantage of the rest of us.

September 11, 2011 at 7:33 a.m.
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