published Friday, September 9th, 2011

Muslims in the spotlight

Imam Hammad El-Ameen prepares to lead a prayer at the mosque on Central Avenue in Chattanooga. It is the oldest of several mosques in the area.
Imam Hammad El-Ameen prepares to lead a prayer at the mosque on Central Avenue in Chattanooga. It is the oldest of several mosques in the area.
Photo by Alex Washburn.
September 11, 2001, remembered

BY THE NUMBERS

• 1.6 billion — World Muslim population.

• 2.2 billion — World Muslim population projected by 2030.

• 2.6 million — Muslim population in the United States.

• 6.2 million — Projected Muslim population in the United States by 2030.

• 93 — Percentage of Muslim Americans who believe other Muslims are loyal to the United States.

• 48 — Percentage of Muslims who believe they have experienced racial or religious discrimination in the past.

Source: Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life, Gallup poll


COMING UP

Today: How have Muslims and Iraqi refugees fared in the last decade?

Saturday: What are schools teaching about 9/11?

— Braves players remember playing the first sporting event in NYC after the attacks.

Sunday: Forever altered: How has 9/11 change our world 10 years later?

— Sept. 11 attacks drive young man to join the Marines.

— Q&A with Chattanooga resident Gen. (Ret.) B.B. Bell

— In Life, transplanted New Yorkers now living in Chattanooga talk about their memories of 9/11.


ISLAM ON THE AIR

“Understanding Islam” is a weekly radio program that discusses Islamic topics. Hosted by Hammad El-Ameen, it airs from 10-11 a.m. Sundays on 104.5 FM in Dalton, Ga.; and 10-10:30 a.m. Sundays on 93.5 FM in Chattanooga.

For more information, call 706-459-1010.


HOW TO HELP

“Muslims for Life” is a nationwide campaign of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community to honor the victims of 9/11 and uphold the message that Islam values the sanctity of life, according to its website.

This month, it will hold blood drives at all its mosques and prayer centers in collaboration with other community organizations. The goal is to collect 10,000 units of blood, which can help save 30,000 lives.

For more information, visit http://muslimsforlife.org.


IF YOU GO

• What: Local blood drive

• When: 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. today

• Where: Blood Assurance, Bryman Plaza North, 100 West Walnut Avenue

• Information: To schedule an appointment, e-mail NajiaH@gps.edu or call 706-581-0741. Walk-ins welcome.

Islamic extremists. Muslim terrorists.

The name of a religion and its followers, followed by words used to describe the 19 hijackers who killed nearly 3,000 people in the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.

One single event changed how Muslims are perceived, not only in America, but in the entire world.

“Muslims are 1.5 billion around the world, and they [the terrorists] were a handful of people. ... Look what it did,” said Hammad El-Ameen, the prayer leader, or imam, at the Chattanooga Islamic Center on Central Avenue. “Our actions have to reflect what we believe in.”

A decade after the terrorist attacks, local Muslim-Americans say outreach has never been more important to educate people about Muslims and what they believe.

“[9/11] brought all of the people together like one cemented wall with a plan, and that plan was that we had to make ourselves visible,” El-Ameen said. “We have to be diligent in our effort in telling people who we are; we have to show a good example of a Muslim, have good behavior, good character; we are all ambassadors of Islam.”

Still, for most Muslims, things will never be as they were before 9/11.

“It’s just like ringing a bell. When you ring it, it’s rung,” said El-Ameen. “It will forever stay in the minds of people now.”

Muslims can’t be disengaged anymore, said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington, D.C.-based Muslim civil liberties advocacy organization founded in 1994.

“You have to be fully engaged in the society, otherwise you are going to get run over, I think,” he said. “That’s maybe the lesson for American-Muslims.”

REMEMBERING

Naseer Humayun can clearly remember what he was doing on Sept. 11, 2001.

Humayun, now a pulmonary and critical care specialist, was doing his residency at St. Luke’s Hospital in Bethlehem, Pa., making the rounds of his intensive care unit patients when he saw the World Trade Center’s twin towers falling on television.

“It was just ... I was totally ...” Humayun stuttered, searching for the right words.

“I was just extremely sad and basically hurt that this had happened,” he said in an interview from his home in Tunnel Hill, Ga.

“No. 1, America had been attacked and then by people who called themselves Muslims,” said Humayun, a Pakistan native who moved to the United States 18 years ago, eight of those in the Dalton, Ga., area.

His daughter Najia doesn’t remember 9/11. She was only 3 years old. But she does remember watching a video in school when she was in third or fourth grade that showed the devastation after the attacks.

“It was really sad watching what happened,” she said.

But the awkward stares from her classmates and the tension that followed were, in some ways, just as disheartening.

“It makes the Muslim community feel sad that many people in America are biased now and think most Muslims are terrorists,” she said.

Neither she nor her family have been personally attacked, but she said after 9/11 one of her cousins in Maryland was called a terrorist at school and was teased.

Her mother, Khola Humayun, said she also feels the stares when she goes shopping or to the bank and she’s wearing her hijab — the scarf Muslim women use to cover their hair.

“I feel sometimes a resistance but it’s from people who don’t know me personally,” she said. “I don’t know what’s in another person’s heart.”

PROVING THEMSELVES

Since 9/11, many Muslims face a constant challenge of defining who they are, what they believe in, to everyone else. They must prove to the world that Islam is not equivalent to terrorism, that most Muslims are peaceful, that being Muslim doesn’t mean hating America.

And it’s their responsibility to teach people, said El-Ameen, who was born and raised in Dalton, Ga., and converted from Christianity in 1979.

“It’s your duty to explain what this religion is,” El-Ameen tells other Muslims. “Don’t let people who have an agenda against Islam, don’t let them define what Islam is.”

And Najia, now a ninth-grader at Girls Preparatory School, said she remains strong in her faith.

“What [the terrorists] did, I don’t associate that with Islam whatsoever,” she said.

Hooper, with the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said the level of anti-Muslim sentiment in society has risen in the last 18 months.

In New York, there was the controversy over building a an Islamic community center in Manhattan, a few blocks from Ground Zero. Closer to home, there’s an ongoing battle in Murfreesboro, Tenn., to stop the building of a new mosque.

And this year, Tennessee lawmakers passed what the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugees Rights Coalition dubbed an “anti-Muslim” bill. It sought to criminalize what critics said were extreme aspects of Sharia, the individual and social duties prescribed by Islam. The law was later amended to remove any references to Sharia or religion.

Local and national Muslim groups agree that the majority of Americans are tolerant toward them and the bias comes from a small but very vocal minority.

“You’ve got two sets of people,” El-Ameen said. “You’ve got those interested in Islam who will go open up a book and read, and then you’ve got a set of people who only listen to news propaganda. Those people deal more with emotions.”

There was initial opposition to building a new mosque in Dalton in 2005, he said. Three years later, a house intended for the leader of the Dalton Islamic Center was burned. More recently, the door was knocked off the new mosque and some shrubs stolen.

“But what about all of the Americans who support mosques being built? You have a large number of Americans saying this is a country of freedom of religion,” he said.

about Perla Trevizo...

Perla Trevizo joined the Chattanooga Times Free Press in 2007 and covers immigration/diversity issues and higher education. She holds a master’s degree in newswire journalism from Universidad Rey Juan Carlos in Madrid, Spain, and a bachelor’s degree in political science from the University of Texas. In 2011 she participated in the Bringing Home the World international reporting fellowship program sponsored by the International Center for Journalists, producing a series on Guatemalan immigrants for which she ...

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Veritas said...

Even before I read this propaganda I knew it had to be written by Perla "Propaganda" Trevizo. Who else?

September 9, 2011 at 8:14 a.m.
CharlesMartel said...

The Mohammedan religion is false religion, even an heresy of the Faith of the Apostles. While there can be found some authentic Truth in their religion, the goal of Christendom is to convert the people and eradicate the heresy.

September 9, 2011 at 9:29 a.m.

Read the koran. Nothing the terrorists have done is against their religion. Everything they have done is encouraged in that book. Read it for yourself. Listen to their scholars in egypt. You will be enlightened. If the muslims here truly believe the terrorists did the wrong thing, they aren't following their religion. They must not have read the koran.

September 9, 2011 at 9:38 a.m.
rolando said...

Veritas, you are right, of course.

But Ms Travizo does give us a heads up on what is happening on the other side of the street, and from their viewpoint. There is seldom "too much info".

I must admit she is a good reporter. Her stories -- much as I may disagree with the content -- are in depth, well written...the usual superlatives. Her stories are straight-forward and honest without too much misinformation or detracting info; she has high empathy and I think she is sincere in her efforts.

We could do a whole lot worse than Ms Travizo. A whole lot. We could end up with an outright bigot or unlicensed liar doing these features.

All in all, I must admire her sincerity. Not that she will change my mind on anything any time soon...but just perhaps.......who knows.

Good writing, Mz Travizo. Thank you.

September 9, 2011 at 9:41 a.m.
rolando said...

Ah, yes, Charles, but "convert...and eradicate" in what way? Our plan 800 to 1000-odd years ago didn't work out too well -- so we stopped and went home. Problem is, they didn't...and still haven't. They are living in the once-was of that time...and not just in their religion, either.

September 9, 2011 at 9:46 a.m.
jtennant said...

VERITAS you should change your name. You're not interested in absolute truth, only blind speculation. Charles, as a Christian I can attest that Christendom's goal is not about converting the Mohammedan religion. Christendom's goal is to first serve God, and then present the gospel to all people. However, the praxis of Christendom is always rooted in love, patience, and forgiveness; this is just to name a few traits of the fruit of the spirit. We Christians seem to easily forget that we fall short of the glory of God and we were "running a hell bound race" before we received the grace of God. We Christians must understand we are no better than anyone and that includes Muslims. Just like there are Christians who represent Christianity wrongly and negatively there are also Muslims who represent their religion wrongly and negatively. This, I have concluded, is a major theme of this article. Also, just as a side note, we all might do well to practice epistemological humility.

September 9, 2011 at 10 a.m.
wastenotwantnot said...

It is true that the 9/11 hijackers were simply following the teachings of the Quran. Islam calls for believers to wage jihad against the munafiqin (hypocrites) and kuffar (disbelievers) in four ways: With the heart, the tongue, one’s wealth and oneself. Jihad against the disbelievers is more along the lines of physical fighting, whereas jihad against the hypocrites is more along the lines of using words and ideas (taqiyya), which includes a sanctioned form of lying. It's all right there, for anyone to read. The clue is to get a Quran that has been arranged chronologically, with the abrogated verses marked. Mohammed used abrogation so that later teachings would replace earlier teachings that were different.

September 9, 2011 at 11:23 a.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

so that later teachings would replace earlier teachings that were different.

No different than the Christian teachings. When Christians want to wage war in the name of the Christian religion the Old Testament is used to justify war. When peace, charity, compassion for ones fellow man is the theme of the period {usually after all the ravishing and stealing of lands and brutality against people have taken place} then Chrisitans move forward to the New Testament.

Both Islam and Christianity were birthed from the same major religion. Get smart! Educate yourselves. Not one major religion is any better, just or more humane than the other. Horrible things continue to take place around the world in the name and honor of Christianity. Why do you think Bush and his administration tried to make the Iraq and Afhanistan wars about Christianity verses Islam?

September 9, 2011 at 11:35 a.m.
rolando said...

I can't recall the last time we waged religious war against anyone, amnesti...not even Iraq or Afghanistan. Could you enlighten me? The closest I can think of is the Spanish wars of conquest in Mexico...but even those were for gold, silver, and slaves for the Priests. Come to think of it, the priests may have done that.

As to the Muslim religion being based on Judaism, thanks for the laugh. I guess that's why they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth...along with us, The Great Satan, of course.

Unfortunately, we have not yet recognized that Islam is fighting a religious war against us -- and intends to kill us because we are [still] a Christian country. We have not returned the favor but continue fighting as a normal, non-religious war. That's why they specifically target -- and kill or maim -- women and children first, men second, military as collateral damage.

September 9, 2011 at 12:41 p.m.
nowfedup said...

Sure would be nice if all the racial bigots and intolorents came down to paper and did face to face with the Muslim's mentioned in story. Doubt they would as in time past the same ilk hid behind sheets and pointy hates, seems not much changes for some other then targets as seems the KKK hid behind "Saving our White Christian world etc.. yep only Muslims are bad folks, all others are doing the lords work, and if you do not agree we will run you out of area, as Christ wants us to do. Biggest issue is probably most Muslims smarter then most bigots. Yep call paper and ask for meeting, which paper will publish, if you have the nerve.

September 9, 2011 at 12:57 p.m.
rolando said...

No one here has said we are better than the Muslims, jtennant.

It is our culture and our society that is better.

We don't kill women who are raped; we don't kill homosexuals; we don't kill our daughters because they become civilized, we don't restrict women to their homes unless accompanied by a family member and then only if they are covered from head to toe, we let our women drive -- by themselves, we don't allow [or force!] girls under 16 [in most states] to marry, etc etc etc.

That's just for how they treat women...the list goes on. Pederasty is common as it is in many Mid-Eastern cultures. This is not a culture or a society to be lauded.

September 9, 2011 at 1:35 p.m.
rolando said...

You sure have a twisted view of Christianity there, nowfedup. When the Muslims leave us the H alone, then we can get along. Nothing prevents us from defending ourselves or our faith. After all, even Christ got violent when His Father's temple was violated...

Muslims in the US are not forced to obey -- or be prosecuted under -- Islam Sharia law. If they try to force that law on others here or act violently against us, they will be prosecuted under American law, just as we would if the situation were reversed.

September 9, 2011 at 1:50 p.m.
CharlesMartel said...

I always find it laughable when I, a devout and anti-USofA Roman Catholic is compared to the pro-American, Nativist and anti-Catholic Ku Klux Klowns.

Jtennant, you spew the same heresy as any other liberal Protestant. You almost get it right; the Great Commission is to go out and make believers in the world. The saints give us great examples of that, from their martyrdom, piety, and especially evangelizing. One of the greats that we should look towards is Charlemagne, and his conquest and conversion of the Saxons. Also, to paraphrase St Louis, King of France, one of the most charitable things we can do to an unrepentant heretic is run him through with our sword.

As for religious wars, America has not fought a single one, and that is the problem. The USofA has removed itself from Christendom, and therein lies the problem. America has the potential to serve Rome more than any other country in the history of the world, but the people are obstinate heretics; instead of supporting the Empire, America wants to drag it back into paganism. Shame, shame.

September 9, 2011 at 1:57 p.m.
nowfedup said...

Well now rolondo and all the other klanners, why don't you put up or shut, beg the paper to set up and publish a face to face with all the evil Muslims, an open discussion, but rule is not sheets and pointy hates, nor cross burnings. Doubt any of you have nerve to openly (moderated of course( to set an openly discuss you fables and hates. SOP of you and your types but great propaganda for the bad guys of how stupid and hateful some in USA proven to be, and how cowardly.

September 9, 2011 at 2:25 p.m.
jtennant said...

Rolando, I wasn't aiming the "better than" comment at anyone in particular. I was simply implying that we all should be careful when we comment about and approach Muslims or any other kinds of people, so that we don't come across as being better. However, perhaps you are correct to say that there is no need for my comment here in this context. Surely though you would agree that there are those, especially Christians, who promote themselves as being superior over Muslims. My main point I wanted to get across, is that we do not need to generalize all Muslims and understand that there are those who do believe in being peaceful. There may not be anyone who has commented in this forum asserting such generalizations, but I do know people who have. I was just stating a point. Also, even though as a culture we do not condone or participate in the activities you mentioned, there those individuals within our culture who do.

September 9, 2011 at 2:37 p.m.
GreenKepi said...

Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God...pure and simple. Christians should know that Jesus said that 'the only' way to God is thru Jesus Christ. Last time I checked...Muslims do not believe Christ died for our sins upon that cross. Oh..they believe in a prophet named Jesus...but that He never died for our sins. Besides...the Bible teaches that if an angel preached another gospel than Jesus & the Apostles...he was to be cursed. Gabriel was a dumb butt anyway...he didn't realize Mohammad couldn't read? Come on...!!!

September 9, 2011 at 2:41 p.m.
jtennant said...

Charles my doctrine is not heretical, it is Biblically correct. You may not like how I live out this doctrine, but the propositions I made were sound. I am not condoning the Muslim religion. Obviously as a Christian I believe anything that directs our attention away from a Biblical view of God is a problem, but there is no need to endorse a harsh approach toward people who believe differently. Remember, as regenerate sinners God shows us grace and forgiveness we should show others this as well. Citing the actions and comments of Charlemagne and St Louis, King of France isn't exactly proving how we are to live and treat others from a Biblical perspective. There are great lessons to be learned from great leaders of the past but they are just as fallible as we are.

September 9, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.
adolphochs said...

And here we are 10 years later trying to protect ourselves from members of "the religion of peace" who wish to kill a few more of us in NY, DC or both to celebrate their anniversary. We are regularly told that only a small minority of Muslims wish us ill. There are 1.5 billion Muslims. Is 1% (10.5 million) the minority they speak of?

September 9, 2011 at 2:53 p.m.
CharlesMartel said...

[T]here is no need to endorse a harsh approach toward people who believe differently.

Do you consider spreading the gospel of Our Lord an "harsh approach"? Or is it harsh that everyone should be under the temporal authority of Rome, with the government rewarding those that convert and punishing those that do not (even to the point of killing those that wish to spread false beliefs, e.g., Mohammedanism)?

September 9, 2011 at 3:05 p.m.
jtennant said...

Charles you're being a little ridiculous. Clearly spreading the gospel of Our Lord is not a harsh approach; it's how the gospel is being spread that can be harsh or not. Christians are never called to kill those who have false beliefs. If you want to imitate saints of old in combating false doctrine try practicing polemics or apologetics. I will admit, your comments are throwing me off a bit. Perhaps, I'll give you some credit, and assume that I am simply not understanding you properly.

September 9, 2011 at 3:17 p.m.
CharlesMartel said...

I'll ask this simply: does the State (i.e., Rome) have the right to defend the Faith with lethal force? That is, do heretics have the right to spread a false religion with no lethal interference from the State (i.e., Rome)?

September 9, 2011 at 3:27 p.m.
LibDem said...

Jebus Christ, what's a good heretic to do? The Christians and Muslims are arguing over who's gonna slay us.

September 9, 2011 at 3:56 p.m.
jtennant said...

Charles I confess, I may not have enough knowledge and insight in this matter to make an accurate conclusion. I will however, take the position that the State should not use lethal force to eradicate false religion. Whatever the State does do, it should be done with the wisdom and guidance of God. I find no Biblical commands that would lead me to an opposing stance. Also, just in case you're asserting that Rome has some divine seat of authority in all things Christendom, I must make it clear I definitely do not agree with that position.

September 9, 2011 at 4 p.m.
CharlesMartel said...

[If] you're asserting that Rome has some divine seat of authority in all things Christendom, I must make it clear I definitely do not agree with that position.

Yes, we've already established that you are an American liberal Protestant. Being ignorant of the history of Salvation, you disagree with the fact of both reason and faith that Rome has universal authority; the Emperor [of Rome] over all things secular, and the Bishop [of Rome] over all things spiritual.

September 9, 2011 at 4:12 p.m.

All arguments about the nuances of different Christian religions aside, Islam and sharia are not compatible with the constitution, the bill of rights or any other religion. The archaic, abusive laws laid out by their holy books violate almost every tenant this country was founded upon. There is no other reason for true believers of islam to come to the U.S. other than to convert us or wage jihad against us. In the religion of "peace", the only acceptable ways we could live with them would be to either covert, or to submit them as a lesser/servant class, paying a tax to our muslim overlords. It's all in their religious texts and has been reinforced time and again by their clerics. We are under siege. The sappers are at the walls.

September 9, 2011 at 4:50 p.m.
rolando said...

jtennant -- two things.

First, Charles is a dyed-in-the-wool Roman Catholic. He stands fast and evidently believes all the rest of us are going straight to Hell...evidently without stopping in Purgatory. But you have to give him one thing...he sincere in his beliefs.

Second thing: I certainly didn't mean to imply that you should not post anything you want on this forum. I am a very staunch believer in and a strong supporter of the Bill of Rights.

As for laws and religion, let me try a different tack. The Mormons recognized plural marriages for a while...until the American law caught up with them. They no longer condone or practice polygamy, although every so often some them crop up who do. Our law again slaps them down.

Islamic law does nothing of the sort. It not only encourages multiple wives, it almost demands it -- after all, their prophet had his harem. Further, Islamic law -- sharia law -- does not punish the men who abuse the women in their families...they evidently define "abuse" differently than we do.

For that reason alone, I condemn those who physically abuse, maim, or kill women and children, regardless of where they live. I will neither abide this nor remain silent about anyone who maims or kills their women and children simply because they do not like the way they look or think.

These are the pigs who want to celebrate their heinous, cowardly action 10 years ago by again attacking us.

Their religion didn't condemn one of those cowardly terrorists. Not a one. So I wouldn't expect it to condemn any of them in this country or this state for any terrorist act against us.

September 9, 2011 at 4:52 p.m.
HiDef said...

Jebus Christ, what's a good heretic to do? The Christians and Muslims are arguing over who's gonna slay us.

Now thats funny!

September 9, 2011 at 5 p.m.
jesse said...

ALL THEM 'TRUE BELIVERS',of whatever flavor are insane. periot!

scary folks!

religion and its adherents are more dangerous than H-BOMBS!!

September 9, 2011 at 5:28 p.m.

"religion and its adherents are more dangerous than H-BOMBS!!"

Famous last words. Iran is well on it's way to obtaining their very own "H-bomb". I guess only the nuclear tan that is in your future will convince you which is the more dangerous. At least the sand around your head will protect it from being evaporated and will create a nice glass helmet for it to rot in.

September 9, 2011 at 5:40 p.m.
rolando said...

So what are you going to do, nowfedup? Wire up your seven-year-old with twenty or so sticks of dynamite and send him into any setup meeting? Or maybe drive a truck loaded with fertilizer and diesel oil in there and torch it off? Or are you just doing the Neanderthal thingee and hit the problem with a club?

September 9, 2011 at 5:53 p.m.
jesse said...

hey sheepeater, an h-bomb with out a finger on the trigger is about as dangerous as a LARGE rock!! give that same bomb to a TRUE BELIVER and millions can die!!

September 9, 2011 at 6:45 p.m.
rolando said...

Ouch!

September 9, 2011 at 8:43 p.m.
miditek said...

The amount of moonbattery found in Trevizo's latest piece is hardly surprising, although quite prolific, nevertheless. This is a textbook example of an extremely dangerous Marxist subversive masquerading as an objective journalist, and it is also very interesting to live in an age where Pravda is now more objective than the Times Free Press. The editors that provide rubber-stamp approval to this flood of propaganda are a disgrace, and this newspaper's advertisers should be put on notice that their businesses will no longer be patronized if they continue to subsidize this anti-American rhetoric.

September 9, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

I think that people here in Chattanooga are more tolerant than other regions. There hasn't been any protest about the new mosque being built just north of Exit 5.

September 9, 2011 at 10:41 p.m.
rolando said...

This thread has little if any relationship with a "new" mosque being built, Savarti. Or an old one, for that matter.

Nor does it have anything to do with those Muslims who obey American law and not sharia law [your dreaded theocracy, by the way. If we ever get a theocracy in the US, you can bet the rent it will be Muslim.]

It has everything to do with those who "religiously" follow sharia law [pun intended] and would force that supremely oppressive law upon the rest of us, killing women and children along the way by blowing them into little pieces. Nice religion, that.

Wasn't Moloch the god to whom the Phoenicians sacrificed babies by throwing them into fires in his belly, or something? An ancient god emulated by Islam and an antecedent for today's Muslim, perhaps?

September 10, 2011 at 5:19 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Probably be a better USA if just the "chrisitans" (small c) followed USA law, more so the part about religious tolerance. Biggest bunch of GED hopefuls and zealot's pathetically presenting their amusing take on their new KKK religious cops. News flash fools, if only you were as tolerant and the "christians" following USA law, it would be much better USA. Biggest gathering of fools and bigots posting lately, and 99%of what they claim is not verifiable except in their twisted tiny little minds and some of them call themselves christians (very small c? Go burn a cross or some other example of you wisdom and tolerances, more fitting then trying to appear as intellectuals/

September 10, 2011 at 10:03 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Hey cowards, still waiting for you folks of hate to ask paper to set and publish meeting with all you "good folks" and the evil ones. Have yet to see anyone ask for it, typical moral cowards, a disgrace to this nation with their hate and ignorance and intolorences, no wonder KKK was started and still active in TN, lots of fertile fields of fools to harvest. Care to comment on why the kkk uses a christian cross for it's icon and such, but noted now some of fools and cowards extended hate to Catholics, probably go at Mormons next, You are the lowest of life to attack religions and blame them and amusing "usa never had a religious war", believe bush called the killing of thousands in Mid East a "crusade" and we know what that butchery by the ignorant was all about. You zealots represent the worst of USA and most ignorant, a disgrace to decent folks

September 10, 2011 at 10:12 a.m.
SavartiTN said...

Sorry, Rolando, I guess that I was responding to what the entire article was actually saying. Like:

"One single event changed how Muslims are perceived, not only in America, but in the entire world."

"A decade after the terrorist attacks, local Muslim-Americans say outreach has never been more important to educate people about Muslims and what they believe."

"Since 9/11, many Muslims face a constant challenge of defining who they are, what they believe in, to everyone else. They must prove to the world that Islam is not equivalent to terrorism, that most Muslims are peaceful, that being Muslim doesn’t mean hating America."

"In New York, there was the controversy over building a an Islamic community center in Manhattan, a few blocks from Ground Zero. Closer to home, there’s an ongoing battle in Murfreesboro, Tenn., to stop the building of a new mosque."

"Local and national Muslim groups agree that the majority of Americans are tolerant toward them and the bias comes from a small but very vocal minority."

BUT, it seems that the thread is only following this one statement:

“You’ve got two sets of people,” El-Ameen said. “You’ve got those interested in Islam who will go open up a book and read, and then you’ve got a set of people who only listen to news propaganda. Those people deal more with emotions."

September 10, 2011 at 11:49 a.m.
SavartiTN said...

Rolando, I don't think that Christianity has been much better on that killing thing. Here's just a very few known incidents. Notice that many of them were Christians against Christians.

-- The First Crusade was launched in 1095 with the battle cry "Deus Vult" (God wills it), a mandate to destroy infidels in the Holy Land. Gathering crusaders in Germany first fell upon "the infidel among us," Jews in the Rhine valley, thousands of whom were dragged from their homes or hiding places and hacked to death or burned alive.

--In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives -- many of them women and children -- taken outside the city and slaughtered. Some were disemboweled in a search for swallowed gems.

--In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against Albigenses Christians in southern France. When the besieged city of Beziers fell, soldiers reportedly asked their papal adviser how to distinguish the faithful from the infidel among the captives. He commanded: "Kill them all. God will know his own." Nearly 20,000 were slaughtered -- many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses, or used for target practice.

-- In the 1400s, the Inquisition shifted its focus to witchcraft. Priests tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they were witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the devil -- then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch hysteria raged for three centuries in a dozen nations. Estimates of the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. Whole villages were exterminated. In the first half of the 17th century, about 5,000 "witches" were put to death in the French province of Alsace, and 900 were burned in the Bavarian city of Bamberg.

-- The Thirty Years' War produced the largest religious death toll of all time. It began in 1618 when Protestant leaders threw two Catholic emissaries out of a Prague window into a dung heap. War flared between Catholic and Protestant princedoms, drawing in supportive religious armies from Germany, Spain, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, France and Italy. Sweden's Protestant soldiers sang Martin Luther's "Ein 'Feste Burg" in battle. Three decades of combat turned central Europe into a wasteland of misery. One estimate states that Germany's population dropped from 18 million to 4 million. In the end nothing was settled, and too few people remained to rebuild cities, plant fields, or conduct education.

And then there are the millions of Native Americans that were exterminated in the name of God just in the last 300 years in this country.

Nice religion, that.

September 10, 2011 at 12:04 p.m.
miditek said...

Propaganda alert: Catholics, Protestants, and Jews alike should not be deceived by the CAIR-funded propaganda bots that have infiltrated the comments section (in addition to publishing this article to begin with). The Klan is dead as a doornail, and has been for almost fifty years.

It is extremely important to remind everyone that radical terror cells such as Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, and the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, et al are indeed active worldwide, and they will not remain idle.

Do not let allow strutting, imbecilic third-rate clerics to distract you from the fact that the real enemy is persecuting and killing both Christians and Jews in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and in Asia on a daily basis.

No one should be surprised in the not too distant future when numerous American cities become better known for being the next Sarajevo or Srebrenica as the wonders of 'diversity' and 'tolerance' are put on display for all to see.

September 10, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
Legend said...

GreenKepi said... Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God...pure and simple

That's where you're wrong, greenkepi. You're actually no different than the brainwashed of other religions. You should really try reading up on other major religions before making ill informed statements against them.

FACT: Islam is rooted in three religions, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and CHRISTIANITY. FACT: Muslims DO believe Jesus was virgin born, peformed miracles, and ascended to heaven, but deny he'd been crucified in his own person.

FACT: Christianity emerged from Judaism but in the course of centuries has absorbed substantial elements of the Greek world-view and some doctrinal and cultic elements from the Romans. It shares with Judaism indebtedness to Canaanite, Babylonian, ZORASTRIAN, and Egyptian sources. It's central figure, Jesus, has been regarded as an incarnation of God the Father and the source therefore of a primary revelation.

Both, Islam and Christianity believe in the existence of Jesus. However, only in the Christian version is it believe that Jesus was God returned to earth in human form. Nor does Islam believe Jesus was the first and last Messiah(or prophet), I believe.

September 10, 2011 at 6:29 p.m.
rolando said...

As I said earlier, savarti, we quit the Crusades 800 years ago because it didn't work.

The Muslims haven't quit to date but are still killing us, using their women and children now though...evidently they consider it "women's work" or something -- or maybe because it is so dangerous.

If you want to start counting the killings done by both Christians and Muslims since day one, the Muslims win hands down; they kill their own people wholesale with gas or anything at hand, including rocks.

As to the decline in AmerInd population since 1700, Wikipedia said this:

"Most mainstream scholars believe that, among the various contributing factors, epidemic disease was the overwhelming cause of the population decline of the American natives because of their lack of immunity to new diseases brought from Europe."

"Manifest Destiny" had little to do with religion -- it was a land grab on a continental scale. Greed did it.

September 10, 2011 at 6:47 p.m.
rolando said...

Ah yes. It appears nowfedup is planning on wiring the wife and kiddies and sending them to "take out" any meeting planned. Violence, implied or real, seems to be his only answer...sounds like a Teamster Chief.

September 10, 2011 at 6:52 p.m.
Legend said...

rolando said... As I said earlier, savarti, we quit the Crusades 800 years ago

The crusades are ongoing as strong or stronger than ever around the world, just under a different heading: NATIONS' BUILDING anyone?

September 10, 2011 at 7:14 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

Come on, Rolando, quote anything but Wiki. Even the schools won't let students quote Wiki.

September 10, 2011 at 10:03 p.m.
BobAbe said...

miditek said...Propaganda alert: Catholics, Protestants, and Jews alike should not be deceived blah...blah ...No one should be surprised in the not too distant future when numerous American cities become better known for being the next Sarajevo or Srebrenica.

The mere fact that you mention those cities tells me you know that it was Muslims that were at the receiving ends of the massacres there. In fact during the atrocities in Bosnia, it was the Jews who were supporting the Muslims. So, now who is doing the propaganda, mixing a little bit of fact with a lot of fiction. Are you also a diehard Palin supporter? Why did Paul Revere make his famous ride?

September 10, 2011 at 10:36 p.m.
rolando said...

Yeah, Savarti, we agree once again. I got lazy. Apologies.

After a couple-three hours research online using a variety of search engines, I can find no cites supportive of your statement that in the last 300 years, American Christians waged religious war on the AmerInds. [I admit to being sidetracked many times because something looked "interesting"...had that problem for decades.] So, would you be so kind as to provide your cite?

September 11, 2011 at 4:17 a.m.
miditek said...

Quote: "FACT: Islam is rooted in three religions, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and CHRISTIANITY."

That is a blatant lie- Jews and Christians worship the God of Israel, and as a nation is mentioned more times in the Torah (and the Bible) than any other. This is a nation that Muslims refuse to acknowledge the very existence of, although Hamas vows to destroy it in their charter. Imams indoctrinate their children with lies that Jews were descended from pigs and monkeys, and as such, are untermensch (sub-human).

Imams further propagate lies that Jews kill Christian children and drain their blood and use it as an ingredient in Matzah. This alone proves that the enemy has utterly no understanding at all about Jewish culture, and the fact that Jewish mothers place an extremely high value on human life- even the lives of the children of their enemies.

Quote: "BobAbe said...miditek said...Propaganda alert: Catholics, Protestants, and Jews alike should not be deceived blah...blah .."

Your blah-blahs reveal the fact that you can provide no defense regarding the atrocities committed worldwide on a daily basis by the groups mentioned. Did you learn the term "blah-blah" from that foul mouthpiece for Hamas that teaches poli-sci (and preaches hatred of the Jews) at UTC?

Quote. "BobAbe said...The mere fact that you mention those cities tells me you know that it was Muslims that were at the receiving ends of the massacres there. In fact during the atrocities in Bosnia, it was the Jews who were supporting the Muslims. So, now who is doing the propaganda, mixing a little bit of fact with a lot of fiction. Are you also a diehard Palin supporter? Why did Paul Revere make his famous ride?"

Muslims were hardly the only victims during the disintegration of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, and the cities mentioned were used to illustrate the dangers of the cult of multiculturalism, and what will eventually happen here in America once the process of Balkanization has been completed in this country.

Let's also not forget that the Muslims of Yugoslavia were hardly innocent. Have you -not- ever heard of the 13th SS Mountain Division, who had over 30,000 Bosniak Muslims recruited for service by none other than al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem?

It is apparent where your loyalties lie- you are far more concerned with the denigration of Palin than the condemnation of Muslim engineered atrocities. I personally could care less what Palin says or does, but the fact that you have brought her into an argument that has nothing to do with her proves to me that you are grasping at straws my radicalized friend.

September 11, 2011 at 9:39 a.m.
Legend said...

miditek said... Quote: "FACT: Islam is rooted in three religions, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and CHRISTIANITY." That is a blatant lie- Jews and Christians worship the God of Israel, and as a nation is mentioned more times in the Torah (and the Bible) than any other

What are you so afraid of, miditek? The TRUTH?! Why does the truth so frighten you and your ilk? All major religions are nothing more than a break off from one once major religion.

Islam: **(1)The angel Gabriel possesing the highest rank(sounds familiar? (2) There is also a fallen angel, Iblis (from Greek meaning diabolos(devil/satan)--sounds even more familiar? (3)The scriptures are four: The Torah of (Moses), the Zabur (Psalms) of David, the Injil (Evangel) of Jesus, and the revelations to Muhammad, compiled after his death into the Quran (or Koran). (4)--Muhammad (considered a prophet) along with those before him, from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Of Jesus, Muhammad had the highest opinion and respect for. He jusst didn't believe Jesus was GOD returned to earth in human form.

September 11, 2011 at 10:31 a.m.
nowfedup said...

FOr the bigots and cowards of intolerance, sorry but the klan is very alive in TN, still lots of grand phoo pahs or whatever. Next for the cowards, STILL do not see ole rol and his buds posting they want to go to paper and have face to face with the various "evil ones" they have identified. What's the matter, cowards all as with any mob they talk big but not into a face to face, would show them the moral and ethical cowards they are, plus how their GED, maybe, is not exactly and education. So cowards, how come no offer of a face to face, noted you all dodged it, as expected from such low life. All hot air and no spine.

September 11, 2011 at 11:10 a.m.
miditek said...

Quote: "Legend said...What are you so afraid of, miditek? The TRUTH?! Why does the truth so frighten you and your ilk? All major religions are nothing more than a break off from one once major religion. Islam: (1)The angel Gabriel possesing the highest rank(sounds familiar? (2) There is also a fallen angel, Iblis (from Greek meaning diabolos(devil/satan)--sounds even more familiar? (3)The scriptures are four: The Torah of (Moses), the Zabur (Psalms) of David, the Injil (Evangel) of Jesus, and the revelations to Muhammad, compiled after his death into the Quran (or Koran). (4)--Muhammad (considered a prophet) along with those before him, from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Of Jesus, Muhammad had the highest opinion and respect for. He jusst didn't believe Jesus was GOD returned to earth in human form."

"What is truth?", Pilate cynically said to the Sanhedrin during the trial of Christ for blasphemy. Islam has absolutely nothing to do with the God of Judaism and Christianity. The devil himself is well-versed in the Scriptures, which was illustrated in the Gospels when Christ was tempted in the wilderness.

To say that Mohammed is of the same lineage as the Hebrew prophets is another blatant lie. To say that the Hebrew prophets, and not to mention the Messiah were prophets of Islam is still another lie. Christ's ministry was spent preaching the gift of salvation through Him. There is no guarantee of salvation for anyone in the Koran, and to deny Christ's message is to deny Him altogether.

If Mohammed actually respected Jesus, then why would he deny the central message of His ministry? Was he calling Christ a liar? Was he calling him a lunatic? He certainly was not calling him "Lord." What part of Christ's ministry then, did Mohammed actually "respect"? Moreover, if the Jews are, according to current Muslim propaganda, descended from pigs and monkeys, then that negates any claim that the Imams have to the fable of their "respect" for Jesus as a prophet, since He was born and raised as a Jew. Moreover, such notions would suggest that if the Jews were descended from pigs and monkeys (as the Muslims assert), then that brings Darwinism and evolution into the religion that purportedly believes in Creationism, and suggests that the Jews were created by a less than perfect God, which is also blasphemy.

Moreover, another theological error in Islam is the punishment of kaffirs for blasphemy against the prophet. If Mohammed was a man, as opposed to deity, then a fatwa death sentence for those that commit blasphemy against Mohammed in and of itself elevates him to the status of deity, which in and of itself is blasphemy.

September 11, 2011 at 11:24 a.m.
Legend said...

miditek said... To say that Mohammed is of the same lineage as the Hebrew prophets is another blatant lie. To say that the Hebrew prophets, and not to mention the Messiah were prophets of Islam is still another lie. Christ's ministry was spent preaching the gift of salvation through Him. There is no guarantee of salvation for anyone in the Koran, and to deny Christ's message is to deny Him altogether.

You are so brainwashed. No different than those you're pointing a finger and bashing for being brainwashed.

Try reading up on religion, even western Christian religion from a historical point rather than fear.

Yes, all major religions: Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc. are the result and break off from one once major religion.

September 11, 2011 at 11:35 a.m.
miditek said...

I'll believe as I please, thank you. If you're trolling for jihadist-wannabes, then you'll need to look elsewhere.

September 11, 2011 at 11:51 a.m.
jesse said...

hey legend. didn't islam branch off from judism through one of abrahams sons?

seems like i read that somewhere long ago.

may be wrong. all religion seems destructive to me!

September 11, 2011 at 12:30 p.m.
nowfedup said...

Still waiting for all you bigots and religious experts to post you want a face to face with local Muslim and other religious leaders to discuss what you bigot claim is your "truths". Rather sound like the ole kkk folks and their truths, what's a matter, afraid to debate with those you so cut down? Same ole same ole types, not a backbone among you.

September 11, 2011 at 12:40 p.m.
jesse said...

hey nfd: two things on this planet you cannot have a debate with!

1 a muslem jihadist!

2 a woman with pms!!

September 11, 2011 at 1:38 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

Rolando, an interesting synopsis of Native American genocide here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide5.htm

For a viewpoint of how "Americans" viewed the Natives right from the beginning, here, directly from the Declaration of Independence: "He (George III) has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

An interesting booklet written a century ago that tells about General Rutherford's march through North Carolina to exterminate the Cherokee...both from the Americans and from the Cherokee. My ancestor is Chee-squi-ah who told the Cherokee side of it. http://toto.lib.unca.edu/booklets/indians_curse_legend_of_cherokee/default_indians_curse_sondley.htm

This article looks at genocide and disease as the cause. It seems that disease was often the result of genocidal intent but no one knows for sure the numbers. http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html: *"Sir Jeffrey Amherst, commander-in-chief of British forces in North America, wrote as follows to Colonel Henry Bouquet at Fort Pitt:"You will do well to try to inoculate the Indians [with smallpox] by means of blankets, as well as to try every other method, that can serve to extirpate this execrable race."

"A second, even less substantiated instance of alleged biological warfare concerns an incident that occurred on June 20, 1837. On that day, Churchill writes, the U.S. Army began to dispense"'trade blankets' to Mandans and other Indians gathered at Fort Clark on the Missouri River in present-day North Dakota." He continues: Far from being trade goods, the blankets had been taken from a military infirmary in St. Louis quarantined for smallpox..."

And I always thought that this was an interesting perspective of how Christians viewed the Native Americans. "In 1694, the General Court of Massachusetts ordered all friendly Indians confined to a small area. A bounty was then offered for the killing or capture of hostile Indians, and scalps were accepted as proof of a kill. In 1704, this was amended in the direction of"Christian practice" by means of a scale of rewards graduated by age and sex; bounty was proscribed in the case of children under the age of ten, subsequently raised to twelve (sixteen in Connecticut, fifteen in New Jersey). Here, too, genocidal intent was far from evident; the practices were justified on grounds of self-preservation and revenge..."

"Savage" is an interesting term.

September 11, 2011 at 4:11 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

As you can see, I didn't even get into the Mexican Native Americans genocide. It would be naive to think that Europeans were not the reason for Native American genocide whether it be through direct murder or by disease.

If Manifest Destiny is really the justification for the treatment of the Native Americans, then all in all, we cannot complain if the same is done to the current inhabitants of America. It would be, after all, the will of God, right?

September 11, 2011 at 4:17 p.m.
Legend said...

jesse said...
all religion seems destructive to me!

Now, there's something we both can agree on, jesse.

We should all remember, that ALL religions are man-made. And as such, anything touched by the hands of man is flawed.

September 11, 2011 at 9:05 p.m.
rolando said...

We are arguing two different things, Savarti.

I agree with everything you posted...[haven't had a chance to review the cites yet. Thanks.] The deliberate genocide of the AmerInds was deplorable and inexcusable to say the least.

My only difficulty is in assigning Christianity as a driving force of the genocide. That would be to claim Manzanar was religion-based.

To oversimplify, they had what we wanted and we "invented" reasons to take it...but officially paying a bounty for them, especially one based on age/sex, is beyond the pale.

The methods we used were manifold, many of them would match later definitions of "war crimes". I would go further and say that religion was merely an excuse, and not a particularly good one, since it wasn't part of Christian dogma.

I do not defend the more onerous things our country has done in the past, quite the opposite. But to ascribe the AmerInd genocide to Christianity is a pretty far reach. "Manifest Destiny" was just an rhetorical excuse for a land grab on a massive scale.

Many here claim our Founders were not Christians, so that couldn't have been their excuse. Could it? [sarcasm, that].

On a related side note, I got sidetracked researching Manzanar. That act demonstrates the unlimited power one man can hold in this country. FDR, by the stroke of the Executive Order pen, ordered that infamous Japanese-American internment. Scary, that. Obama is emulating him in many ways...most of them the bad ways. But I digress...

September 12, 2011 at 7:11 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Well rather obvious the religion 101 class will NOT dare to debate Muslim, Catholics and others as to the honesty of their childish remarks, kind of kkk type hate/intolerance used against blacks during Reconstruction by cowards pretending to be quasi-intellectuals. Yep rather obvious how deep your convictions are and your capabilities to defend them in open face to face. How sad such fools exist and must be tolerated in this nation as their hate, intolerance and ignorance simply recruits for other side, kind of like our own home grown El Q's as basically no moral, ethical or philosophical differences, just same old worn out "my religion is the only one and rest are all evil" El Q or here, the same cowards hiding behind ignorance and hate, trying desperately to pull of intellectualism while in mental sheet and pointy hats.

September 12, 2011 at 9:35 a.m.
miditek said...

NFU has learned the ins and outs of leftist propaganda rather well. He blames the long defunct Klan for all of the world's evils, and yet embraces the very fascism that he claims to despise. To disprove his theories, consider the following:

  • How many crosses have been burned in the front yards of Muslim homes in this area? Any area?

  • How many Muslims have been lynched in this area?

  • How many Muslims have been threatened at the voting polls?

  • How many mosques have been bombed in this area?

To state but a few examples, and none of the Reconstruction-era tactics have been used against those people in this area, which proves NFU to be nothing more than a propagandist as opposed to a finder of actual facts.

America is far more tolerant of other religions than say, Saudi Arabia, where you will find not a single Christian church or Jewish synagogue in the entire country. Let's see some churches and synagogues being built there before wagging your finger at America.

September 12, 2011 at 10:25 a.m.
miditek said...

Quote: "How sad such fools exist and must be tolerated in this nation as their hate, intolerance and ignorance simply recruits for other side."

The "tolerant" left lamenting the fact that they must "tolerate" the "intolerant" right. Yet another page from the moonbat manifesto.

September 12, 2011 at 1:41 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

To Savarti and Rolando,

Thanks for your informational and very civil debate. I have thoroughly enjoyed it today. This is the main reason I came to these sites to begin with. I enjoyed the IQ of the posters. Thanks again.

In my opinion, It is most important to remember is that Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship with Jesus. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

In regards to the Muslim community, I do not believe that all middle eastern people who claim to be Muslim are evil Jihadist. Just as I do not believe all who claim to be Christians are wonderful people going to Heaven. I work with many Muslims who are good folk and I don't know of one that is an extremist. By the same token I work with many who call themselves Christians that could easily be called evil extremist. Stereotyping is never correct.

September 12, 2011 at 3:56 p.m.
sunny said...

The main problem facing the world is extremists who think that their way is the only right way, and anyone who disagrees with them is evil or is carrying out propaganda. This trait unites the Muslim extremists and our own homegrown Christian extremists.

September 12, 2011 at 11:07 p.m.
miditek said...

Quote: "Stereotyping is never correct."

Really? Profiling is the cornerstone of security protocol implementation at Israel's El-Al airlines, which has the most successful safety record in the world. Guess how many American Christians (or Jews) get pulled aside by their agents for questioning?

September 13, 2011 at 8:27 p.m.
nowfedup said...

You fools full of hate and trying to hide such behind some sort of "intellectual" BS need to read this and note the aid your are giving to those that are your mirror image on the other side of issue, the muslims that "hate" or "christians that hate", they feed the wars and pollute their home nations with same, So read and try to get some info into your tiny little hate filled minds. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/opinion/sunday/and-hate-begat-hate.html

Note that none of you giant intellectuals posted and asked paper to set up debate with other side and publish, cowards to the core.

September 14, 2011 at 10:09 a.m.
miditek said...

(You fools full of hate and trying to hide such behind some sort of "intellectual" BS need to read this and note the aid your are giving to those that are your mirror image on the other side of issue, the muslims that "hate" or "christians that hate", they feed the wars and pollute their home nations with same, So read and try to get some info into your tiny little hate filled minds. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/opinion/sunday/and-hate-begat-hate.html Note that none of you giant intellectuals posted and asked paper to set up debate with other side and publish, cowards to the core.)

And you sound like you are just full of love and unicorns towards those that would dare to disagree with your lofty opinions.

Dhimmism may be a noble idea to some (particularly al-Qaeda and the imams), but there are tens of millions of others that simply are not going to buy into that notion no matter how many diatribes you post nor how many tantrums you throw.

You are welcome to post as many taunts and insults as you wish (as there is such a thing as free speech in this country), but it won't get you a single step closer to this mythical meeting that you keep ranting on about. Negotiations are over.

September 14, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Quote: "Stereotyping is never correct."

Really? Profiling is the cornerstone of security protocol implementation at Israel's El-Al airlines, which has the most successful safety record in the world. Guess how many American Christians (or Jews) get pulled aside by their agents for questioning?

There is a fine line between Profiling and Stereotyping, but Stereotyping can be very detrimental in relationship building or sustaining. If you look at TV commercials and most comedy shows you would think that ALL men are wimps afraid of women with no backbone. They make men look absolutely stupid. Is that profiling or stereotyping?

If you don't know the difference then you should not be posting here.

September 14, 2011 at 3:17 p.m.
miditek said...

Of course there is a difference, but let's not presume that you will tell me where, when, or how I should post anything. If you don't like what someone writes, then do what I do and either ignore it or respond to it.

P.S. You're not God's little earwig.

September 14, 2011 at 4:22 p.m.
nowfedup said...

oh,seenms ole miditek is afraid to ask for meeting with those it is so quick to attack, but since simply a new type of KKK, hate and intolerance, not surprised at the cowards that would not meet and defend their idiocy, now go iron sheets for next "Club" meeting, sure seem afraid to ask paper to set up meeting to defend your cowardly ways face to face, and publish it. So just keep helping the bad guys with you hatreds, as they have one doing same on their side just as dumbed down.

September 16, 2011 at 1:08 p.m.
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