published Wednesday, September 14th, 2011

Abortion group at UTC draws demonstrators

Kristian Kastner, left, holds a sign as Mariah Pike, center, and Malaina Horn sign a petition Tuesday against a display of abortion images placed at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga.
Kristian Kastner, left, holds a sign as Mariah Pike, center, and Malaina Horn sign a petition Tuesday against a display of abortion images placed at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga.
Photo by Angela Lewis.
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On one side of the walkway, more than a dozen signboards are filled with graphic images of dead fetuses, what appears to be a small bloody hand over a dime, a young boy with a black eye.

On the other side, a group of students protests the images, collecting hundreds of signatures for a petition to take the signboards down.

The Genocide Awareness Project, a traveling photo-mural exhibit that compares abortion to genocide, visited the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga on Monday and Tuesday, placing its placards near the UTC library. The exhibit was sponsored by Students Choosing Life at UTC.

The visit did what it set out to do -- get attention and generate discussion -- prompting about two dozen students to make their own signs with such statements as "My uterus is my business" and "We don't want to see these images."

"We are just saying we don't want these pictures on our campus," said Mary Kathryn Cox, a 22-year-old women's studies and psychology major who planned to collect signatures all day Tuesday.

"Some of us are pro-life. Some of us are pro-choice. This is not about abortion," she said. "We don't want to see these images. We don't want to invoke PTSD [post-traumatic stress disorder] upon students because we don't know what they've gone through."

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    Madi Rose Taff holds a sign Tuesday to protest the display of graphic abortion images on the UTC campus. Students having pro-choice and pro-life viewpoints came together to gather signatures against the graphic panels placed on campus by an anti-abortion group.
    Photo by Angela Lewis /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Nicole Cooley, project director with the Southeast Region of the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, which created the Genocide Awareness Program, said the pictures are part of the group's methodology.

"Martin Luther King Jr. said America will not reject racism until America sees racism," she said. "We believe pictures are vital to communicate the humanity of the unborn child and the violence of abortion itself."

Students walking through campus had mixed emotions about the display. Because the signboards were in a central area of campus near the University Center, some students said they should have been warned that the images were coming.

Cox said she wishes the university had warned the students about the graphic images at least two days before they were put up.

UTC spokeswoman Cindy Carroll said the university doesn't warn students about upcoming events.

"We don't warn them about graphic presentations. On that same note, we recognize that this particular group offers an edgy presentation, but they are welcomed to push the envelope on our campus as long as they stay in the area they were given, they don't block a walkway, don't physically touch anyone," she said. "They are just exercising their First Amendment rights."

Keith Myatt, 22, who spent several minutes talking to Cooley, said the pictures are drastic but something has to reach people.

"I'm not happy to look at them. I have not looked at them because I know what they are. They are disturbing. But it's also something that is very prevalent, especially on a college campus," he said.

John Michael, 23, who spent only a few seconds in front of the pictures before heading to his next class, said the images were really graphic, but he didn't mind them because they are real.

"We are college students. We are grown," he said.

But Bridgette Wallace, an 18-year-old freshman holding a sign that read "Choices are Sexy" in blue letters, said it's a bad way of getting a point across.

"We think it's in bad taste," she said.

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librul said...

Offensive photos of fetuses will no more end abortion than offensive photos of abused Abu Ghraib prisoners will end torture or offensive photos of dead Pakistani children will end America's drone war. It's so odd that these pro-life zealots stand silent in the face of our country's war crimes.

Ms. Kastner is to be lauded for opposing this freak show and standing up for her and other women's rights of self determination.

September 14, 2011 at 12:37 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Showing such graphic the photos reflects the fact the organizers have no higher value on life and respect for life than the people they accuse of having none.

If they had a graphic, gruesome picture of their mother's body parts scattered on the street, dismembered in a horrible accident caused by a drunk driver, would they be happy to have it exhibited and examined by both them and the public as part of a MADD program?

Do the pictures themselves not diminish our value of life and turn death into a spectator sport?

They have a right to show them; but as the Apostle Paul said, having a right to do something and doing the right thing often are not the same.

September 14, 2011 at 6:53 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

The old saying still rings true in my ears, no matter how much 'spin' is put on it, "If it is not a baby, then you are not pregnant"....

September 14, 2011 at 8:01 a.m.

They say it's a choice and yet, if someone else aborted the child by punching her in the "uterus", they would be charged with more than assault. The double standard is shocking. Is it murder or not? If I were in prison for killing an unborn child, my appeal would be based on that double standard. Force the court to make the "choice".

Murderous progressive baby killers hate the pictures because they look like exactly what they are, murdered babies.

September 14, 2011 at 8:05 a.m.
CharlesMartel said...

Librul, I stand in opposition to both the Satanic war crimes of the United Snakes and ritual Satanic child sacrifice (aka, "abortion"). So there.

September 14, 2011 at 8:27 a.m.
Facts said...

If a being has a beating heart and it undergoes a procedure to stop that beating heart, it seems clear it is not a choice but an act of convenience called murder.

Too bad a child has fewer protectors in some political circles than baby seals, snail-darters, or a weed called skull cap.

Progressive.

September 14, 2011 at 8:54 a.m.
possibilian said...

What do you tell the girl who has been raped and is pregnant as a result? Do you tell her she has to go through with the pregnancy, and be reminded daily of the horror she was put through? of the innocence of which she was robbed? of the dignity and self worth which she no longer has? She already feels as though her life has no value. She can barely get up in the mornings and care for herself, let alone care for herself pregnant and then care for another human... What do you tell her?

September 14, 2011 at 8:57 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Time to read your bibles x-stains.

Ex. 21:22-25

The bible orders the death penalty for murder of a human being, not for the expulsion of a fetus.

An abortion is not a child sacrifice according the books the stains value most.

Of course living children are not much value to that god either A small sample

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.

Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.

Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.

I Samuel 15:3 slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.

2 Kings 8:12 dash their children, and rip up their women with child.

2 Kings 15:16 all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.

Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.

Isaiah 13:18 They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

Lamentations 2:20 Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.

Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.

Hosea 9:14 give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

Hosea 13:16 their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

BTW.. if the bible was an accurate book.. the satan character is only responsible for 10 deaths in the book while the god character was responsible for nearly 2.5 million deaths.. Not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc., with which the "good" book is filled.

So obviously it should be considered godly war crimes and godly child sacrifice.

September 14, 2011 at 8:57 a.m.
possibilian said...

eeeeek.... R'amen.... nice work, my friend! =)

September 14, 2011 at 9:02 a.m.

eeeeek, If you actually THINK about it, there was no difference between a fetus and a baby in the bible. Women who were pregnant were referred to as being "with child".

You must be a progressive by the way you twist facts. Once again THINK about it. That arbitrarty 2.5 million number you come up with were sinners and the children of sinners. So, if you think about it, they brought the wrath of God upon themselves and their children with their own actions. That old personal responsibility problem rears it's ugly head again. Thank God Christ fulfilled the law and died for our sins so that we no longer have to pay for them with our own lives.

September 14, 2011 at 9:09 a.m.
possibilian said...

Flyingpuple.... So, let me get this straight.... the CHILDREN of "sinners" had to die for what reason? Because their parents "sinned"? Hmmm.... sounds like a benevolent god to me. nice. Let me go ahead and teach that to my children.... Well kiddos, because mom has done some bad things in her past, you're going to have to die... been nice knowing you.

September 14, 2011 at 9:35 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Flying Purple.. Just because you would want your daughters to keep the children you impregnated them with, does not mean the rest of the country has to live by your backwater outdated standards.

Of course if it's okay for Lot to get drunk and do it to his daughters.. it's good enough for you.

September 14, 2011 at 9:45 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

As a UTC student who helped start this movement let me clarify the message that we were trying to get across by counter protesting these people.

In their billboard messages they compared firstly abortion to genocide. Obviously they do not know they actual definition of genocide (that is the systematic killing or destruction of a people group based on race, politics, or cultural affiliation). Secondly on their billboards they had pictures of dead Jews killed by Hitler and the Third Reich next to aborted fetuses as well as dead children from the ACTUAL genocide in Rwanda next to aborted fetuses as well. We realize that they have accomplished what they had set out to do and that is do draw attention to themselves and to shock people with their pictures and slogans. But we also have accomplished what we set out do and that was to show these people that the students at UTC are not ignorant and will not buy into their lies and propaganda. We successfully and peacefully protested against their slogans and pictures and exercised our 1st Amendment rights just as they have exercised theirs.

This was NOT a pro-choice protest, though some students felt led to make posters that said so (which we were not going to turn away). This was a protest against ignorance and hate that these people were propagating. There are better ways to go about lowering abortion rates than scaring students into it. I felt extremely sorry for the students who had, had abortions and were forced to walk past those pictures going to their classes. They shouldn't be subjected to that.

Sincerely, Informed student

September 14, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.

Just the responses I expected. Thank you. Especially you eeeeeeek.

tbs1015, Those girls that were tricked by the progressive murder machine into getting abortions should have to face what they have done. If they feel bad about it, there is probably a reason. You should look up eugenics some time and it's connection to abortion today. You might be surprised. You will definitely get an education. You might even rethink your opinion of whether or not abortion is truly akin to genocide. Look up the abortion rate among blacks. Very telling.

September 14, 2011 at 9:56 a.m.
adolphochs said...

"We think it's in bad taste," Bridgette Wallace, an 18-year-old freshman.

We certainly need to protect our students from displays of "bad taste". Give me a break!

September 14, 2011 at 10:06 a.m.
teedlesp73 said...

I think when women are being told it's not a baby and it's only a blob of tissue and they are buying that lie, they need to see the pictures so they can see the truth before they are feeling their baby being ripped out during the abortion. I think the men (or boys as they may be) need to see as well so they can see the truth that it is a baby and not just a blob of tissue that they helped create so they won't try to pressure the girl they got pregnant into having an abortion. If you can't take care of your baby or if it is too much of an inconvenience, there are lots of women who can't have children who would love to adopt.

As for the woman who is raped, I don't see how ripping her baby out of her body is going to prevent more suffering. Sure she has been stripped of her dignity, but how is she going to feel when she realizes she has just killed her own child. There is an increased in depression among women who have had abortions. I have 3 children and I can not imagine loving them less if one of them were to be a child conceived in a rape. I couldn't live with myself if I killed my own child just because they were created in a violent way. They are still my children regardless of how they are conceived. Every child is a blessing.

September 14, 2011 at 10:09 a.m.
teedlesp73 said...

It would have been good to have information about Abortion Recovery for women who had to face the choice they had already made. Those women may just now be realizing what they did. If you have had an abortion and would like to talk to someone check out the info on the Choices website. Or if you are pregnant don't know what to do. Check it out.

http://choiceschattanooga.org/

September 14, 2011 at 10:23 a.m.
mtngrl said...

I wonder how many of those cheering death at the last couple of debates call themselves pro-life too.

September 14, 2011 at 10:35 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

Pro- Freedom Libertarians4Freedom? That means your pro choice right? I mean considering abortion is legal under Roe v. Wade. I mean if you believe in freedom of the people than women so have the freedom to choose right? Oh no I forgot freedom only applies what you consider to be freedom such as the right to bear arms or whatever the rest of the right wing extremists believe. Am I for abortion? NO. And how ignorant of you to assume that simply because I protested and excercised my 1st Amendment rights. And you better believe I would protest PETA if they did the same thing but PETA didn't come to UTC, they did. Oh and nice way to use the phrase "you people." Grouping people into inferior categories? What does that remind me of? Oh yea Hitler.

Finally I think you have my argument all wrong. They had a perfectly good right to be at UTC and protest what they believe in. And I just as much have a right to counter-protest. To hang it outside the place we eat everyday? nasty. it's interesting how more UTC students responded more positively to our protest than theirs? Coincidence? Stop assuming who I am or what I am just becaue I protested against something I didn't believe. Its ignorant people like you that make American poilitics such a mess these days. It's people like you that are appauled at abortion but are the first ones in line to give someone the death penalty.

Sincerely, Democrats4Freedom

September 14, 2011 at 10:38 a.m.
possibilian said...

teedlesp73 ... I do not know if you have ever been through a rape or not, but by the way your statement reads, I would guess not. If you have never been there, you have no idea what it does to a person. Also, not all rapes are violent... common misunderstanding

I too have children, and cannot fathom going through an abortion. However, I cannot imagine looking into the face of a child created by my rapist every day and telling that child i love them more than anything in the world. I can't imagine what a woman must go through before, during and after an abortion, but I would fight to the ends of the earth for a woman to have the right to make that decision on her own, and be provided a safe environment for it to happen, rather than a dark ally and a rusty coathanger.

September 14, 2011 at 10:39 a.m.
PaulWilson said...

What's is really sad, or maybe the word I'm looking for is pathetic, is that there are those of you that would seek to ban abortion outright but, still in the same breath would seek to increase the use of the death penalty. You choose life but, condemn a man who you believe is worthy of death.

None of us have the right to decide who lives and who dies. We are not the Hand of God.

People should stop acting like they know what is best for everyone else. God gave us free will to allow us to make the choices. Maybe God is just a big kid who uses us for entertainment...I don't think so though. He gave us the choice seek truth and to do what is right.

September 14, 2011 at 10:52 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

gods don't exist

September 14, 2011 at 10:54 a.m.

If god doesn't exist, I should be able to do whatever I want to. ANYTHING within my power. That is how dictators are born. You have inspired me eeeeeek.

September 14, 2011 at 10:56 a.m.
harrystatel said...

Cancer is "alive" as well. Shame on those doctors removing cancer 'cause God put it there.

Of course, no debate is complete without bringing somebody's god into it to "prove" their position.

It stands to reason that god, who gives us cancer, ALS, AIDS, leukemia, Pat Roberson, Jimmy Swaggert, the PTL Club, and the Trinity Broadcast Network, along with Pope Pius XII (the Nazi's favorite pope), Ayatollahs, Mohammad, the Kardashians and Snookie, has a big sense of humor.

God can create the universe, but can't grow hair on Ernest Angley? Loves children, then let's them starve? Wants people to be meek, and lets churches build more "Six Flags over Jesus" salvation palaces complete with jumbo-trons?

Then there's Mother Teresa, who encouraged women to have more suffering babies than the Old Testament Jehovah could kill. "One day I met a lady who was dying of cancer in a most terrible condition. And I told her, I say, "You know, this terrible pain is only the kiss of Jesus — a sign that you have come so close to Jesus on the cross that he can kiss you." And she joined her hands together and said, "Mother Teresa, please tell Jesus to stop kissing me".

Ben Franklin said, "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

Old Ben was right.

September 14, 2011 at 11:04 a.m.
possibilian said...

gods and morality do NOT go hand in hand, FlyingPurple.

September 14, 2011 at 11:05 a.m.

One of them does.

September 14, 2011 at 11:30 a.m.

First an open display of images that are intended to shock people into choosing the preferred opinion of the individuals that are propagating the displays is pretty one sided. UTC made a remark that they do not warn students of these things. Well, clearly no warning was due because UTC supports the individuals posting the images. Thats great for you anti-abortion fanatics and Bible qouting zealots. Someone even posted that women (notice the women reference, anyone struggling with this issue is a woman this isn't kids play) who have had an abortion should have to see these. Thats sick your a pathetic human being. If just one woman that has to live with a life changing decision walked by that and was forced to see those images well sorry to break it to you the whole endeavor just failed. I say display freedom of expression but do it within a venue so those who are interested in seeing the statement can involve themselves and those who aren't can avoid being forced to endure it. Wake up people!

September 14, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.
LibDem said...

Tennessee has almost 400k children in food challenged homes. These children made poor choices when selecting parents. Bad children! Let's see some posters of these hungry children.

September 14, 2011 at 12:48 p.m.

Yes, the solution is to kill the children because their mommies wanted to have sex. Great solution. How about a little control before hand? These children are paying for the choices their parents made.

September 14, 2011 at 1:18 p.m.
holdout said...

Abortion should be legal through the 58th trimester.

September 14, 2011 at 1:44 p.m.
noapathy said...

I love people on their high horses, no one should have a say over what another person does with their own body...especially in the name of God or any other higher power. If we are to be judged then it shouldn't be by another human being. You do your thing and let them do theirs. Period.

September 14, 2011 at 2:07 p.m.
theplaceofgrace said...

Apparently the pro-choice folks can't handle the truth. And if you have your so-called "right to choose" what you do with your body, who gave you that right? Your parents? Who gave them the authority? The government? Did the Congress and Supreme Court give you life? And why are you breathing anyway? And from whence comes the air you breathe? And why does the Earth continue spin and rotate without any help from us? And why is creation so predictable when evolutionists says it began so haphazardly?

September 14, 2011 at 2:13 p.m.
328Kwebsite said...

All this has done is make people angry in a place where they are supposed to study.

If this anti-abortion display had taken place in other locations, like local shopping malls, public secondary schools, as an ad at the gas station, on prime time local TV, or at a Lookouts game: then we would all have seen just how rude and unproductive this propaganda has been.

It hasn't inspired a reasonable dialog to change the law; and it won't persuade people one way or another about this issue. It's a misuse of our local college campus, paid for by taxpayers, to promote the political agitation of one group that uses social friction to make money.

We would have been much better off with another day of study, instead. Save the trash politics for The Jerry Springer Show. If you can't at least aim in the general direction of intelligent thinking and reasonable discourse, stay off of our college campus. Thank you.

September 14, 2011 at 3:02 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

Let it be known that just because I am pro-choice does NOT make me liberal. Just because I am pro-choice does NOT make me pro-abortion. Just because I am pro-choice does NOT mean I am an atheist or anti-Christian or anti-religion.

Responding to have of your statements Libertain4Freedom would be a waste of time, seeing as how half of your responses were illogical in the most basic sense of logic. You cannot refute an argument by changing the subject without committing a logical fallacy. if you really have a problem with women cutting the tips of your condoms and not taking birth control then I would suggest start hanging out with women are trustworthy and not prostitutes from the streets. "Worship youth culture". Your dang right I do. I hate the "elders" who are so bitter against the youth because they are no longer one. Respect my elders? Why yes I do. What I don't respect is ignorant people like you who make judgements based off one view point I may hold. Making judgements based on one thing I believe I hate to tell you is once again, a fallacy. The whole study of science rejects that and you would be laughed out of any college. Hate innocent babies? I dont think so buddy. Now your getting way out of control. I love children, but just because I dont believe life starts at conception dosen't mean I hate babies. That once again, is a fallacy in your argument.

So basically what it boils down to is that most all of your claims against me are based on the fact that I am pro-choice and besides that you know nothing about me. Albeit I did that to you as well and I shouldn't have. But I never accused you of something as horrible as hating babies. Thats ridiculous. Get a grip. Democrats hate freedom? I hate to inform you but a good number of our founding fathers and framers of the Constitution would be considered "democrats." Alexander Hamilton, James Madison (The FATHER of the Constitution.)

In Response to theplaceofgrace comment The United States gave women the right do what they want with their bodies under Roe v. Wade. Just because I am pro-choice does NOT mean i'm not a Christian.

September 14, 2011 at 3:10 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

I realize that what I just said is a hard concept for some of you to grasp. Please dont hurt yourself thinking of it too much. You will never change your mind and I will never change yours. My advice would be to college if you haven't. Read and study the other side if you haven't. That dosen't include watching MSNBC if your a conservative every now and then. That does not count.

September 14, 2011 at 3:12 p.m.
CharlesMartel said...

This thing called "abortion" is RITUAL SATANIC CHILD SACRIFICE!

September 14, 2011 at 3:29 p.m.
ashleykc said...

I believe abortion Is wrong if you are woman enough to spread ur legs then u need to be woman enough to raise a baby, and in a rape case if you dont want the baby theres adoption because for every five woman who can get pregnant there are atleast two who cant and wants children. I AM PROLIFE SO FOR ALL THE WOMEN OUT THERE WHO ARE PRO CHOICE I ASK PLEASE GIVE THE BABY A CHANCE THEY DESERVE IT NOTHING FELT BETTER THAN THE FIRST TIME I FELT MY BABY KICK.

September 14, 2011 at 3:38 p.m.
possibilian said...

tbs1015 .... I hold a great deal of respect for you, my friend.

For most (not all) of the rest of you, religious zealots baffle me... your circular reasoning does nothing but give those of us who have the ability to think for ourselves some cheap entertainment. Congrats! I've been entertained today.

September 14, 2011 at 3:52 p.m.

tbs1015 is right. Libertarians4Freedom you should have been aborted. That fact is very clear. Our society is weighted down with fools just like yourself that prevent any change whatsoever due to generations of hand me down hatred. You sir obviously lack the ability to see past your hate filled spectacles. your tirade of comments started with an anti-abortion issue and took a rollercoaster ride to decent women are worse than prostitutes. Your a fool. Save us all your pointless blabber.

September 14, 2011 at 3:55 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Wow, did this article bring out the crazies!

September 14, 2011 at 4:07 p.m.
stationl said...

possibilian:

for the rape case, ever heard of adoption? Because she's going to remember the rape anyways. She'll never forget that. But she'll also remember the abortion for the rest of her life. She will never forget that. Why add another traumatizing experience to the list? One that she could have prevented herself.

September 14, 2011 at 4:07 p.m.
LibDem said...

I'm pro-choice. I can't speak for all but I certainly prefer pregnancy prevention to abortion. I expect that is common. As a man, I can assure you that if I find something growing in my body that I don't want, I will have it removed. If that makes me a believer in "RITUAL SATANIC CHILD SACRIFICE!", then I guess I have a new religion. If I get knocked up and change my mind, I'll get back to you.

September 14, 2011 at 4:10 p.m.

I would say that I wish that the mothers of all progressives believed as strongly in abortion as they do, but I really don't. You can't choose when abortion is murder and when it isn't. It is either murder or it isn't. Anything else is a double standard. For me, it will always be murder. The slippery slope has been breached. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/09/09/edmonton-effert-infanticide-suspended-sentence.html

When someone comes to throttle you, don't resist. They are just aborting you.

September 14, 2011 at 4:12 p.m.
328Kwebsite said...

Look at our comments and we can all see how our community was not enriched by having insulting propaganda displayed in public. No one was persuaded. No policy was improved. Nothing was constructed. The only gain was that the employees of this agitating organization made another day's pay.

Our university is here to help us improve our own community. We can see how these professional agitators failed to achieve any kind of improvement with their actions.

Look at how poorly they went about their persuasion. Does it surprise anyone that gruesome photos of dead fetuses would anger somebody? How would that change anyone's mind? When the random person walks by that display, what would they think?

Even if we are to indulge someone's politics to let them demonstrate their persuading skills on campus as an intellectual exercise, see how these people failed. What kind of low IQ does it take to fail so miserably?

What this display achieved was another fresh polarizing of established opinions. How does that serve our community and our state? Not by much. If there was a service done here, we would like to be told directly what it was. We were all aware of our opinions on abortion before this. We're not anymore educated on this topic after.

It doesn't take a great deal of sophistication to realize that the only goal that can be achieved by such a display is that it would anger people. 20 to 30 year old women already have an opinion on abortion. It's their own opinion. They had it before some sidewalk display yelled insults at them through pictures.

We have more pressing issues in our community that need help from our university. Our entire state is suffering from setbacks in employment. Commerce is suffering. What is going to be improved or achieved by insulting people with pictures over politics?

We don't need outside agitators yelling at college girls in order to stir things up on campus. We need our universities and colleges turning out graduates. We need math applied to real world problems. We need all of the humanities and sciences focused on solving the very real and very human problems of direct survival in our state today.

Insulting people with pictures as they walk to class is a cheap shot. It's not befitting of the intellectual content we expect on campus. We all would have been better off if these professional protestors had not wasted our community's time with these self-serving insults.

Nothing achieved. Another day of the community not being interested in the intellectual content of the local colleges and universities has gone by. What a waste.

September 14, 2011 at 4:21 p.m.
rbsadler said...

As another organizer of the counter protest, I would just like to point out the following:

  • Our position was neither pro-choice or pro-life, or position was that the images were too graphic for public display outside of a main eatery.

  • All view points are welcome on campus, but the position of the large display made it impossible to avoid for those who did not want to be exposed to the graphic nature.

  • Their warning signs were misleading (Images of Genocide Ahead, did not specify the nature of the images) and not far enough away from the images; you could already see them by the time you got to the signs.

  • The display was endangering the physical and psychological health of many students in its graphic nature; several students became physically ill after viewing the images.

Once again, our argument wasn't pro-choice or pro-life, it was about the students being allowed to say that they did not want such grotesque images outside of a main campus cafeteria.

In response to adolphochs, please visit their website and think about whether or not you want to be eating around the images of chopped up, decaying, mutilated, and bloody bodies and fetuses. I, and almost 550 other students and staff, and anyone else with a normal gag reflex, would like to be protected from this instance of bad taste.

September 14, 2011 at 4:58 p.m.
harrystatel said...

Hitler-Catholic. Wehrmacht Belt buckles said, "God Is With Us."

Stalin, studied in the seminary; opened Orthodox churches during WW2 when Mother Russia was getting ass kicked. No difference between Church and State.

Pope Pius XXII-Roman Catholic Church applauded Hitler. No Nazi's excommunicated. Allowed thousands of Nazi's (not just German soldiers, but Nazis) to escape including Mengele and Eichmann.

Pol Pot (the Killing Fields) educated at a private Catholic institution in Phnom Penh.

What a relief they had that good Catholic training otherwise they might have been real stinkers! Of course, they had the history of the Catholic Church to learn about torture and killing.

September 14, 2011 at 6:14 p.m.
MeredithHunt said...

Would the anti-graphic image people have welcomed a person holding a sign saying, "ABORTION KILLS CHILDREN AND HURTS MOTHERS" to stand with them?

September 14, 2011 at 9 p.m.
ShaynaHarris said...

People want to talk about what is right wight about abortion...but why doesn't anyone speak up for the children who can't and tell everyone what is wrong with it??? Murder is murder, whether it's 2 months or 2 years or 20 years..either way you are ending a life! Let's just be blunt, when sperm connects to an egg, you have created a baby..simple biology can tell you that, come on now. Too many people have become too familiar with being irresponsible and handle their situations in the wrong way. You lay down and have unprotected sex, you're more than likely gonna have a baby. That is common sense. Why should your unborn child have to suffer for your irresponsibility? You guys want to comment that we are adult? Well be an adult and handle your situations the right way. Your uterus your choice? That's like saying my child my choice, but yet they have child services to defend those children, right? If you were pregnant and someone hit your stomach and you lost the baby, that person would be put in jail for murder...shouldn't an abortion be considered the same? For God's sake, one way the abort babies is by delivering the entire baby all but it's head and putting scissors to it's neck! Sounds like murder to me...the baby get's no choice, no medication or anything. When you have surgery, do you want them cutting on you and you feeling every excrutiating pain that comes? Why should childish parents have a choice and not the baby?? Stop playing God and deciding your baby's fates. Every cause has an effect, and if these signs and pictures offend you it should probably tell you something. If you're heartless enough to take a innocent child's life, you should be heartless enough to look at the EFFECT OF YOUR CHOICE. if you don't want a baby then you shouldn't have unprotected sex. Save a babies life, and prevent the spread of STD's all in one.

September 15, 2011 at 2:40 a.m.

harrystatel said...

"Hitler-Catholic. Wehrmacht Belt buckles said, "God Is With Us."


"Adolf Hitler's religious views" (From Wikipedia)

"Adolf Hitler's religious views are a matter of some dispute. While raised by a skeptic father and a Catholic mother, after childhood, he ceased to participate in the Sacraments completely. He sometimes made public statements which seemed to affirm religion (which suited his political purposes) and prior to 1940 had promoted a "positive Christianity", purged of Judaism and instilled with Nazi philosophy, but in private was hostile to Christianity and had a plan to destroy it after the war. The degree to which he participated in and was influenced by the racist occultism, paganism and esotericism which was popular in late 19th, early 20th century Germany is also a matter of dispute."

September 15, 2011 at 12:17 p.m.

harrystatel said...

"Stalin, studied in the seminary; opened Orthodox churches during WW2 when Mother Russia was getting ass kicked. No difference between Church and State."


Stalin was expelled from seminary for skipping final exams. He hated God.

"Joseph Stalin" (from Wikipedia):

"Stalin followed the position adopted by Lenin that religion was an opiate that needed to be removed in order to construct the ideal communist society. To this end, his government promoted atheism through special atheistic education in schools, massive amounts of anti-religious propaganda, the antireligious work of public institutions (especially the Society of the Godless), discriminatory laws, and also a terror campaign against religious believers. By the late 1930s it had become dangerous to be publicly associated with religion.[86]

"Stalin's role in the fortunes of the Russian Orthodox Church is complex. Continuous persecution in the 1930s resulted in its near-extinction as a public institution: by 1939, active parishes numbered in the low hundreds (down from 54,000 in 1917), many churches had been leveled, and tens of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and killed. Over 100,000 were shot during the purges of 1937–1938.[87] During World War II, the Church was allowed a revival as a patriotic organization, and thousands of parishes were reactivated until a further round of suppression in Khrushchev's time. The Russian Orthodox Church Synod's recognition of the Soviet government and of Stalin personally led to a schism with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia.

"Just days before Stalin's death, certain religious sects were outlawed and persecuted. Many religions popular in the ethnic regions of the Soviet Union including the Roman Catholic Church (including the Eastern Catholic Churches), Baptists, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. underwent ordeals similar to the Orthodox churches in other parts: thousands of monks were persecuted, and hundreds of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, sacred monuments, monasteries and other religious buildings were razed."

September 15, 2011 at 12:23 p.m.

harrystatel said...

"Pol Pot (the Killing Fields) educated at a private Catholic institution in Phnom Penh."


Pol Pot? Yet another of 20th century atheism's monsters enlisted in you rant about Christianity.

"Pol Pot" (from Wikipedia)

"The Khmer Rouge also classified by religion and ethnic group. They banned all religion and dispersed minority groups, forbidding them to speak their languages or to practice their customs. They especially targeted Buddhist monks, Muslims, Christians, Western-educated intellectuals, educated people in general, people who had contact with Western countries or with Vietnam, disabled people, and the ethnic Chinese, Laotians and Vietnamese. Some were put in the S-21 camp for interrogation involving torture in cases where a confession was useful to the government. Many others were summarily executed. Confessions forced at S-21 were extracted from prisoners through such methods as raising prisoners by their arms tied behind and dislocating shoulders, removing toenails with pliers, suffocating a prisoner repeatedly, and skinning a person while alive."

September 15, 2011 at 12:29 p.m.

In each case of genocide, the strategy is "out of sight, out of mind."

September 15, 2011 at 12:33 p.m.
theplaceofgrace said...

To TBS: The United States did not have the right to given the choice of what to do with "their" bodies, because they did not give women their bodies. The government does not own them (yet). Only the Creator has the right to control that which He made. Now with regard to whether or not you are a Christian is dependent upon whether or not you have received Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

September 15, 2011 at 1:25 p.m.

Nothing but chatter about the government not having a say in what you do with your body.. Are you a prostitute? Why not? Do you have the right to threaten to kill yourself without being forcibly commited to a mental institution? How about driving without a seatbelt? Riding a motorcycle without a helmet? Using any type of drug you want without a prescription? Drinking before the legal age? Eating salt in NY? Selling your duplicate organs? Now tell me the government doesn't tell you what you can and can't do with your body... Apparently we are all property of the USA.

September 15, 2011 at 2:40 p.m.
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