published Friday, September 16th, 2011

Postal Service eyes 223 job cuts; may shut down Chattanooga distribution center

Mail carrier Tom Caldwell loads his truck at the East Ridge Post Office in this 2009 file photo.
Mail carrier Tom Caldwell loads his truck at the East Ridge Post Office in this 2009 file photo.
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JOB CUTS

In Chattanooga, 223 jobs are on the chopping block as the U.S. Postal Service considers consolidating 252 processing and distribution centers nationally. Shutting down these centers will slow first-class mail from one- to three-day delivery to two- to three-day delivery.


BY THE NUMBERS

• Jobs at risk: 30,000 full time, 5,000 part time

• Jobs to be cut by 2015: 220,000

• Total USPS employment: 559,026

Source: David Walton, spokesman for the USPS

The U.S. Postal Service is studying a plan that could cut up to 223 jobs by shutting down Chattanooga’s mail processing and distribution center.

The four-month study will determine whether the local center’s work can be taken over by the Postal Service’s North Metro Georgia center in Duluth, Ga.

The amount of first-class mail dropped 25 percent nationwide in the past five years as people shifted their bill payments and communication online, Postal Service figures show, while total mail dropped by more than 43 billion pieces in that same period.

“Right now, we’re losing money hand over fist,” said David Walton, a spokesman for the U.S. Postal Service, which projects it will lose about $9 billion this year. “If we sit back and do nothing, we will go bankrupt.”

Over the next four months, the Postal Service will study 252 centers across the country to see if the drop in the amount of mail has made their machines and workers idle enough to move operations to another facility. If the federally mandated but not federally funded service shuts down all those facilities, it would put about 30,000 full-time and 5,000 part-time employees out of work across the country.

The Postal Service hopes to cut 220,000 of its 559,026 workers by 2015. In July, the organization announced a similar study that could shut down up to 3,700 post offices, 61 of which are in Tennessee.

There are about 50,000 workers at the targeted facilities, postal officials said.

With these cuts, first-class mail will be delivered in two to three days rather than one to three. The Postal Service also would like to drop to a five-day delivery week from a six-day.

Poll
Do you regularly visit a post office?
  • Yes. 57%
  • No. 43%

357 total votes.

“The post office does have to be reformed,” said Jordan Powell, press secretary for U.S. Rep. Chuck Fleischmann, R-Tenn. “But the distribution center seems to be working in Chattanooga, so it doesn’t make a lot of sense to move it somewhere else.”

Employee and payroll expenses are about 80 percent of the costs for the Postal Service. The median annual wage of a mail carrier was $49,800 in 2008, the most recent number available from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Mail sorters, processors and processing machine operators earned about $50,020 annually, bureau figures show.

Employee costs increased in 2006 when a federal law required the Postal Service to pre-fund future retirees’ health care, a mandate unique to the service that costs $5.5 billion annually.

Walton said there’s simply too much excess in the system and cuts are absolutely necessary. But he said Chattanooga employees shouldn’t panic.

“This is just a study at this point,” he said. “It’s nothing that’s been decided yet.”

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NoMyth said...

The USPS is a bloated monopoly. Private companies could provide better service at a lower cost. The country should be broken up into different mail delivery zones and private companies should bid on providing services within those zones for 3-year terms at fixed prices. The competition will drive down costs and, in turn, your federal taxes. Wake up America...you're fat and lazy!

September 16, 2011 at 12:45 a.m.
sarahanaya said...

However, we should expect further worsening on joblessness in the country in the next quarter because of political anxieties in the Middle East, check out an article called "High Speed University" for relation between a degree and job and the pay rate.

September 16, 2011 at 1:14 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Employee costs increased in 2006 when a federal law required the Postal Service to pre-fund future retirees’ health care, a mandate unique to the service that costs $5.5 billion annually."

The editor pays lip service to this fact, as a mere aside, but that fact is indeed the crux of the problem and should be given much more attention than it is. In 2006 Bush signed into law the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (any time a Republican sponsored bill has the word "enhancement" attached to it it almost always refers to the "enhancement" of the bank accounts of big business or the "enhancement" of the right wing agenda to shrink government) which mandated, among other things, that the Post Office prepay into a retirement fund, for the next 10 years, the amount of 5.5 billion dollars annually. That represents 75 years' worth of pre-payment! No other organization in the public or private sector does this or is legally bound to do so. While the Post Office does indeed have financial problems that extend beyond this debilitating piece of legislation, the fact is that simply rescinding this law and doing some very minor tweaking could easily put the PO in the black.

Today's Teabagging Republicans like to squawk about how inefficient, bloated, and mismanaged the Post Office is, that it could be run much more efficiently if it were privatized. But that's a bunch of crap. The fact is that it has operated well, indeed remarkably well, since its inception by Ben Franklin over 200 years ago. For those who think that FedEx or UPS or some other private enterprise could just step in and do what the Post Office does at the same reasonable rates, well, you might want to think again. Who else would deliver one single piece of mail to the outer reaches of Nowhereville, USA for the price of 44 cents? Some will say that is a frivolous, outdated service anyway. But take it away, along with many other of their services, and see how sorely we miss them. What's more, the PO is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the Constitution. It is as American as apple pie...no, even more so. It seems ironic to me that the Teapublicans who rant and rave so much about how our American way of life as we have known it is being eroded would even give a moment's thought to dissolving our Post Office. But such is their logic, or lack thereof.

Do not fall prey to this right wing ruse of a "crisis." We are not getting the full story from the mainstream media. They are glossing over it just like this editor does. Look into it, get the facts, and fight like hell to keep our Post Office as we've always known it alive and well.

September 16, 2011 at 4:40 a.m.
Marathon5454 said...

My mailman will not deliver my mail if a car is blocking the box where he can't drive right up to it--In other words, he's too lazy to simply get out of his truck and put the mail in the box--That says it all about government workers in general and post office workers specifically--FedEx and UPS come to my door,but then again, they're not government workers

September 16, 2011 at 9:11 a.m.

“Right now, we’re losing money hand over fist,” said David Walton, a spokesman for the U.S. Postal Service, which projects it will lose about $9 billion this year. “If we sit back and do nothing, we will go bankrupt.”

This is the same ol' story we are hearing about SSI, Medicare, and Medicaid. It seems the federal government is having a bad day, doesn't it?

All of these programs can be fixed but it will require a real leader and real leadership in Washington, DC. And yet, some seem to think we need more big government programs... ugh!

September 16, 2011 at 9:33 a.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

FedEx and UPS come to my door,but then again, they're not government workers

FedEX and UPS can't even find addresses, and when they can't they'll deliver your package to any address so they can be on their way. UPS once delivered a package belonging me to someone with same name on the total opposite side of town because the delivery person was too lazy to look for the right address on the right side of town.

Having dealt with USPS for over fifty years, I've never had a package or letter misdelivered. Can't say the same for UPS and FedEx.

September 16, 2011 at 9:35 a.m.
andystaab said...

I know not everyone's situation is like mine, but I have zero need for the "service" USPS offers. I do everything via other carriers and am confident I get what I pay for. The post office is a great example of government inefficiency and laziness. We need to evolve and improve.

September 16, 2011 at 9:43 a.m.
terrybham said...

A major source of the USPS's financial problems is that the Congress mandates that the PO deliver a piece of mail to the remotest part of Alaska for the same price that the same letter would cost to downtown Chattanooga. In addition it appears to be almost impossible to close post offices or other postal facilities that have become inefficient.

FedEx and UPS do a fine job of moving mail and packages but they will only deliver that mail to routes that are profitable. If you do away with the Postal Service many areas of this country, mainly rural, will no longer have postal service. I think that might have a less than desirable business impact. You may think that is OK, but even third world countries have some sort of postal service. It would be another step toward the US becoming a second-class country.

September 16, 2011 at 10:08 a.m.

The problem is once again public unions and politicians looking for votes. The USPS is failing for the same reason Greece is.

September 16, 2011 at 10:35 a.m.
cbqouo said...

The mailbox is for efficiency purposes. Does the garbage man come up to your can if you forget to put it at the end of your driveway?

September 16, 2011 at 11:19 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

Rickaroo is right...the Unions/politicans have created a mess...again! ...and where else could you get mail delivered for 44 cents? Really?! Take it away and we'll be sorrrry...

(East Ridge has been hearing for months that our PO will be one that will be closed.)

But hasn't the USPS been OUT of taxpayers hands since the 1980's???

September 16, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
twharr said...

I see I'm the only one on here who sympathizes with 223 workers that will probably lose their jobs. It's not their fought the government hired them to do a job. These people more than likely have families that will suffer based on the potential lay-offs. It's sad when people, such as yourselves, don't see the entire picture. Where will these people find employment once they are laid off?? To my knowledge FedEx and UPS aren't hiring. What do you suggest they do? That's right...you don't have any suggestions; because all you right-wing-tea-party-nut-jobs care about is downsizing the Government and taking away social programs that will cost people their jobs and livelihoods. You don't think long-term. Your thought process is that of a 2 yr old playing with Gi-Joes. Less Government equals fewer jobs, less regulation and no one being held accountable.

September 16, 2011 at 12:23 p.m.
Humphrey said...

The US Constitution explicitly calls for the US Postal Service.

The US postal service has not received tax payer money since the 1980s.

It is right there in this article "...the federally mandated but not federally funded service..."

The USPS is not a monopoly, but they can deliver things right to your door and pick them up, no matter where you live, for cheaper than UPS or FEDEX or DHL.

The problem here isn't politicians and unions, it is once again people making unfounded complaints about something based on their incorrect ideas and assumptions.

September 16, 2011 at 12:47 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

It's not just 223 jobs at stake, twharr. If those layoffs happen here they will happen all across the country and at least tens of thousands of jobs will be lost. That will be fine with the teabaggers, though, because they think the post office workers are "spoiled" anyway and don't deserve to have a job that pays a decent wage with decent benefits. In their minds even minimum wage is too much. And forget about health insurance. As evidenced by the teabagging low-lifes in the crowd at the Republican debate the other night, they'd just as soon let them die.

September 16, 2011 at 1:20 p.m.
LibDem said...

The Republicans have long wanted to shutdown the USPS. The requirement for pre-funding retirees' health care is part of that strategy. The good news is that this will help move the unemployment number up where they'd like it to be.

September 16, 2011 at 1:42 p.m.
Gump said...

Interesting that no one's even trying to refute Rickaroo's central point about the Postal Service's needlessly stringent pension requirement. And before you go blaming unions, they're the ones trying to call attention to it and fight it. Remember that they aren't some elite cabal, they're ordinary working joes like you or me, who want to make sure they keep their jobs in a tough economy.

I mean, it's not as if unions invested our money in bad loans, then sold them to investors with the hopes of multimillion-dollar payouts.

September 16, 2011 at 1:42 p.m.

For those of you who care to read facts..

"The predicament in which USPS finds itself is not uncommon. Because of the ever-increasing reach of the Internet and digital media, bookstores, record stores and DVD rental chains have all seen their customer base and profits decline dramatically. Unlike these other affected businesses, USPS cannot simply go out of business or declare bankruptcy. The need to downsize the labor force and reduce costs to reflect declining demand and new market conditions needs to be the first priority of both workers and management.

Labor costs account for 80 percent of USPS operating expenses. Yet because of union contracts that contain "no-layoff" clauses, thousands have less than a full day's work, and some are even paid to sit in empty rooms.

Last year, USPS revenues declined 9.1 percent, and without permission from Congress to delay requirements to pre-fund some worker benefit plans, the Postal Service would have lost $5.2 billion. A $7 billion loss is anticipated this year."

I got this here: http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=345%3Awasteful-spending&catid=29&Itemid=34

Now tell me again how it isn't unions........

September 16, 2011 at 3:50 p.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

"The predicament in which USPS finds itself is not uncommon. Because of the ever-increasing reach of the Internet and digital media, bookstores, record stores and DVD rental chains have all seen their customer base and profits decline dramatically

That's partly true, FPSE, but only to a certain degree and not what the USPS detracters are aiming for. The detracters honestly believe that UPS and FedEX can and will do a better job at a much cheaper rate. This is simply not true. Plus, it's insane and naive to believe that FedEx and UPS aren't latched onto and suckling the government tits themselves. Yes! Right up there will all your major healtcare insurers(primarily GOP owned and operated). Who, I might add, all started out as babies nursing from the tits of the government. Believe me when I say, none have every been completele weened, although they will never admit it and constantly complain the loudest about goverhment being to big, government handouts, bailouts and the likes. Yet, over the years they've been the biggest consumers of government handouts and bailouts.

September 16, 2011 at 4:05 p.m.

Ujokin,

I don't agree. Private business is always more efficient than anything govt will ever come up with. The reason? Gov't organizations don't have to turn a profit to stay in business. While I don't agree, the govt couldn't do the job, it can't do the job as long as the public unions exist. Govt workers should not be allowed to form unions. EVER. It always leads to waste and inefficiency because, once again, they don't have to balance the books or turn a profit.

Doing contract work for the government is not "suckling" at the govt tit. These public companies still have to turn a profit no matter how much govt pork they consume. Please name these companies that have been handed the bailouts you speak of. I know the banks and car companies got bailed out, but didn't hear of a single health insurer or fedex or ups that got a single dime.

September 16, 2011 at 4:18 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Those of you making the claim that because you do everything electronically in this high-tech age we live in and because YOU find the post office's services outdated and useless for YOUR needs, please don't draw further attention to how short-sighted and egocentric you are by making the assumption that the world revolves around you only. The vast majority of Americans still utilize the Post Office's services, either by choice or by necessity. There is nothing outdated about the way it operates. Surely you're aware of how many businesses use the Post Office for its mailed correspondence and shipment of packages? The Post Office employs over 574,000 workers, making it the second largest work force(second only to Walmart) in the country. How dense do you have to be to not see the horrendous ramifications the Post Office's shutting down would have on our economy and the personal and business lives of everyone in this country? YOU would be spared, though, wouldn't you? You, the savvy, wired, high-tech rugged inidividualist libertarian ilk who don't depend on anyone for anything. When the nation goes bust you can just have all your goods and services emailed to you. I'm sure you will be fine.

September 16, 2011 at 4:18 p.m.

Rickaroo,

I agree. The postal service is miles ahead of most govt services in their integration of technology and services. Their service is valuable and needed. The problem is they can't afford to keep spending what they are and have contractually obligated themselves into bankruptcy. How would you fix their problem?

September 16, 2011 at 4:33 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

FPSE...Sadly, I don't know that the problem IS fixable, at least not with any common sense remedies. It was by an act of congress that the USPS had this bill foisted upon them and it will take another act of congress to repeal it. I seriously doubt that's going to happen. Personally I think that all who support the Post Office and want to keep it intact as the uniquely American institution that it is should HAND-WRITE letters to our congressmen and senators and petition them to repeal that unfair and onerous bill. I think that flooding their desks with hand-written letters MAILED through the Post Office would be a good sign of support. Just a thought.

September 16, 2011 at 5 p.m.
Gump said...

That page is nothing but aggregated articles from right-wing publications, and you'll forgive me if I don't automatically trust them. Given the Republican control of the House, it's not surprising. I even took the "You save the Post Office" test further into the website. It was slanted, too: I constantly felt like I was missing info, limited in my options, and being steered toward a particular agenda. I hardly felt like I was being given facts at all.

September 16, 2011 at 5:08 p.m.
ginagirl43 said...

I think the postal service is still needed, however, they make way too much on the hour.

September 16, 2011 at 6:10 p.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said... Ujokin, I don't agree. Private business is always more efficient than anything govt will ever come up with. The reason? Gov't organizations don't have to turn a profit to stay in business. While I don't agree, the govt couldn't do the job, it can't do the job as long as the public unions exist

That's a myth. Private businesses aren't more efficient than government run businesses. They just appear to be from outsiders looking in. What do you think private businesses do with all that money they regularly get from the federal government? There's mismanagement in the private sector too. Then they'll go running to the federal government to bail them out when it all catches up with them. This does not include all the money they receive annually from the federal government.

Public unions are what keeps working conditions and fair wages in place. Otherwise, you and I would be working for 1/2 peanuts trying survive off less than what some are earning in 3rd world countries. People who complain about unions either have forgotten or aren't old enough to remember what working conditions and wages were like before unions existed. Why workers organized to form unions in the first place. Unions help to guarantee the wages of even non-union workers be fair. The wealthy CEOs of these private companies who screw up and still receive millions in severance pay and still get to keep their private jets and several multimillion dollar mansions, often at the taxpayers' expense, would to have the average worker such as yourself to believe otherwise, but they're lying to you.

September 16, 2011 at 7:23 p.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

Personally I think that all who support the Post Office and want to keep it intact as the uniquely American institution that it is should HAND-WRITE letters to our congressmen and senators and petition them to repeal that unfair and onerous bill. I think that flooding their desks with hand-written letters MAILED through the Post Office would be a good sign of support. Just a thought.

Rickaroo, that's a very very good suggestion!! Let's go for it!!

September 16, 2011 at 7:25 p.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said... Doing contract work for the government is not "suckling" at the govt tit. These public companies still have to turn a profit no matter how much govt pork they consume I know the banks and car companies got bailed out, but didn't hear of a single health insurer

(1.) Yes government contract work is suckling at the government tits once you learn how those pvt. companies with gov. contracts operate. (2.)Not necessarily(turn a profit?). Again, you'd have to understand how these companies with gov. contracts operate to fully understand. (3.) Most all, possibly all, your major healthcare insurors started out as non-profits. Again, you'd have to understand all the perks and goodies that go along with that title operating under such an umbrella. I'd try to explain it all here, but it maybe a tad to complicated and long for you to fully understand.

September 16, 2011 at 7:35 p.m.
sweetdream20 said...

Shut it down but keep the local POs who know how to run themselves and do their job right. The main branch on shallowford is one of the worst in town. The clerks are rude and disrespectful to customers, mishandle mail, and don't have a clue how to accept pre-paid packages. They're either untrained, miseducated, lazy, or too darn stubborn to learn. The trainers don't know the proper procedures. Some of the managers or supervisors make up their own rules despite the DMM (domestic mail manual) and forced our local POs to post bogus flyers with their made-up rules. It's a farce and POs/branches like this ruined it for their customers and for those who work for usps and know how it should run but are forced to face these issues. USPS has known for a LONG time that they were facing financial problems. They took too long to adapt and change with the times to meet the demands of the customers vs the competition. Don't get me wrong. I love USPS and the unique service it provides. You cannot compare Fedex and UPS pricing on small mailpieces. It's a sad thing to see and losing this service would hurt people more than they realize. It is why I hate to see the things I have in the past few years. The poor customer service at the main branch and some of the other local post office's like North Market St, their failure to adapt, and reckless spending have brought them to where they are now. =(

September 16, 2011 at 8:11 p.m.
NoMyth said...

@Ujokin..., et al, what you are failing to recognize is that the efficiency and cost savings from private industry (compared to any government agency) must occur as long as (this is the key part) there are multiple private companies competing against each other. When the government provides a service and has no incentive to tell lazy employees to take a hike, and instead hires more and more lazy employees, they become bloated and inefficient. We need to devise a government that is all about creating competition for services. No government agency should construct a building, a road, a bridge, or deliver mail. The key is effective management of very small government agencies that oversee a competitive contracting process. That is innovation, that is what America needs to be....nimble, efficient. Right now we are fat and lazy...our systems and processes are at a 3rd grade level of sophistication...we are running toward a cliff...it has to change...or maybe you prefer to speak Chinese?

September 16, 2011 at 9:21 p.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

maybe you prefer to speak Chinese?

And what's wrong with speaking Chinese? Americans still speak the King's{England} language, albeit a poor version of it.

September 16, 2011 at 9:50 p.m.
HiDef said...

NoMyth - Research Lockheed Martin and the privatization of flight service stations and then tell me that private industry provides a more efficient and cost savings benefit to the general public. It was and is a disaster. Not to mention the safety aspect of a private business. I've worked for a federal contract air traffic control company and now the federal government. Trust me, nobody want's our nation's government run air traffic system handed off to the lowest bidder. Unless you don't care about your safety...Staffing issues, time on position, meal breaks, those things don't matter when you work for a private company. Don't like it? Find another job.

As for lazy government employees, give me a break people. Every business has lazy, incompetent, morons in their bunch. And they don't always get fired either. Maybe government employees protected by unions ARE harder to get rid of but if that irks you, maybe you're just jealous that we have better job security. We have protections that allow us a due process before we're just sent packing.

ginagirl43- I think the postal service is still needed, however, they make way too much on the hour.

How so? Do you know what their work entails? Have you shadowed a postal carrier for a day? If you don't know specifically what their work entails then how can you say that they make too much?

marathon5454- *My mailman will not deliver my mail if a car is blocking the box where he can't drive right up to it--In other words, he's too lazy to simply get out of his truck and put the mail in the box--That says it all about government workers in general and post office workers specifically--FedEx and UPS come to my door,but then again, they're not government workers *

Bill Burr, a comedian does a skit about how I have to do 50% of the work now when I go to Subway for a sandwich. I have to add my own toppings now at many places, get my own drink, bus my own table (Moe's specifically) and even at Walmart if I want to checkout in a reasonable amount of time because they only have 4 checkout stands open, I have to "self-checkout"...and I pay the same price. In fact, prices continue to rise even as I, the customer, am doing half the work. Yep, those government workers sure are getting lazy...Think about it marathon5454, if you want the post office to be efficient, it's counter-productive for them to deliver mail door to door because ignorant people parked their car in front of their mailbox.

September 16, 2011 at 10:45 p.m.
rolando said...

Here is a brief note: Mailhandlers remain in their cars for good reason. Out here in Boondocksville, the half-wild dogs outnumber the people. Some of them are just yappers but others are killer breeds. When I walk to my mailbox, I am armed against them.

I would not subject any mailhandler to those conditions at any price. If my mailbox is blocked on any one day, I can always get the ads delivered tomorrow.

Hint: Since I receive unwanted ads and flyers at about 8 to 1 compared to first-class mail, perhaps the answer is to raise their rates.

Another thought: There are strict federal laws about misuse/mishandling of first-class mail. Google it. If you don't care if your mail is opened by just anyone, go for UPS/FedEx delivery.

If memory serves, it takes a court order to open first-class mail...or even to just delay it. It can be tracked and that's about it. Serious felony charges with jail/money involved for violation. Even our troops are protected.

Yet another: Ever wonder why phone books, etc are never put inside your mailbox? Under federal law, your mailbox is considered part of the postal system and is under its protection -- you own the box, of course. Federal law protects you and your privacy on this issue.

September 17, 2011 at 6:18 a.m.
Legend said...

ginagirl43- I think the postal service is still needed, however, they make way too much on the hour.

The average postal employee salary starts around 11 to 15 dollars an hour(out of that, you might have to pay for your own health insurance if you should elect to take it). That's not a whole lot in today's economy. The ones who make more have years upon years of experience. The same way it is in any the private sector job where employees have the opportunity to move up. Plus, many of your postal workers are military veterans who've fought in and deployed in numerous wars.

Legend/retired postal employee

September 17, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
wouldyaconsider said...

Two thoughts: First, If the Obama administration is closing USPS locations with the same criteria it closed the 789 Chrysler dealerships, where only the dealerships supporting the Republican Candidates were closed down (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Furor-grows-over-partisan-car-dealer-closings-46261447.html) you can anticipate that only USPS locations in the Red States will be targeted anyway. Second: if 220,000 jobs are at risk and the USPS is $9B in the red, provide productivity and technology incentives that will keep the employment levels consistent and reduce the losses - if we're going to raise taxes $447 Billion to fund the idiotic Job's Bill, take 9 billion and incentivize the USPS. The jobs bill will cost over $120K per person for each government or private sector temporary job created (over the average normal unemployment numbers of 6.7%), while creating incentives for the USPS would only cost $40K for each of the 220,000 they plan on terminating by 2015. Sure there is fat in the USPS - lots of it - but instead of giving up to Fed X and UPS, find ways to compete with them. Fed X and UPS don't deliver on Saturday's without a premium. Fed X and UPS aren't crying poor mouth... Don't you think that the USPS and Amazon.com could team up and find some exciting ways to give FED-X and UPS a run for their money?

September 18, 2011 at 11:46 a.m.
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