published Friday, April 6th, 2012

Letters to the Editors: Sagging pants not that big of a deal

Sagging pants not that big of a deal

Reading your article about sagging pants (March 26), I was struck by how big of a deal this seems to be.

Most of these kids are just looking for a way to express themselves, and sagging their pants is one way to do that.

If they want to make it harder for them to "run from a police officer or from a guy trying to fight," that's their problem.

Sagging pants aren't obscene or indecent as long as there is underwear underneath the pants, so I don't see the problem.

The argument that administrators need to teach these kids how to conduct themselves, "so they can be promoted to the next level in life," is moot. The kids who are driven and will succeed will recognize in the corporate world sagging is not acceptable and will stop doing it.

In any case, this is certainly not an issue for the state Legislature.

I tend to agree that no governing body should "legislate morality." It's up to parents or guardians, and only in very extreme cases schools, to do so.

This bill is a waste of state congressional time and a disgrace.

It's probably pandering to an upper-class voting base to garner votes come election time.

CASE DUCKWORTH

Minorities still face injustices

Reading the title alone (of David Cook's March 29 column, "I am not Trayvon Martin," I felt heat creep into my face, but I continued and found something refreshing.

I had assumed that he was saying he simply saw no similarities between a boy like Trayvon and himself. I thought he was insulting the memory of this beautiful child.

I apologize to Mr. Cook, sincerely. What his article actually is, is open acknowledgment that, still today, there are some injustices that are felt just a little closer to home, if you're a minority.

Certainly, anyone with a conscience feels a small rage begin to erupt inside them when hearing of a crime perpetrated against another, because of gender, race, religion, etc. But to truly know the feelings of fear at the thought of what might happen to one's child on the way home and the hopelessness that things will never change, simply draw less attention. For that feeling, it's not enough to imagine how it might feel. For that feeling, you have to actually be the one afraid that someone will get the message that they can hurt your child, your baby, and no one will care. You have an honest soul, Mr. Cook. I will keep you in my prayers.

GEORGE RAMSEY

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JustOneWoman said...

On sagging pants, or colored bras or anything else out there people just don't like. Get over it. In THIS country, we have freedom of speech.

. Unless you are showing some body part that is deemed illegal to show, it is only opinion as to how something looks. When you let government tell you how to dress, who you can marry, what you can do with your body, based on opinions, then how is this freedom? Saggy pants are protected by free speech. This is just one more way they want to tie up funds fighting in the courts. Their only intent is to bankrupt our government. They know it is unconstitutional. Anyone, including haslam, that intentionally passes laws knowing they will not cut the mustard with our state or federal constitution, should be fined and/or jailed. I consider it treason and think the jail time is warranted. They are tearing our country apart and it is time to stop the madness.

April 6, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Sagging pants merely indicates the inability to recognize decency. That has been sagging dramatically in my life time. As for "no governing body should legislate morality," I need some clarification.For all who use that termmy question is if you don't legislate morality on some level, what do you legislate? There has to be some standard on which legislation is based. What seem inconsistent to me are ones who in general act like there are no standards until something they value is called into question and here we go. Decency is a given in civilize human society. Too many may not make it to the coporate world if they don't look closely at this when they are younger. Others may find it hard to make it in the corporate world if they do not address it early on.

April 6, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
PinkSalmon said...

I agree with Mr. Duckworth. And to think the guy who's pushing this saggy pants law is actually a fellow African-American and Democrat, Joe Towns. As an African-American himself he should know this law will only lead to a lot more stereotyping, racial profiling, harrassment and eventualy another tragedy like the one Florida is having to deal with. Why do African-Americans let fellow African-Americans get away with such non-sense just because they're African-Americans? When if a white or some other politician had tried this law they'd be at least expressing concerns over their young males being like targeted.

This a dumb law that likely to have a predictable tragic outcome. When will African-Americans start reaching out to their young people and protecting them from laws they know will serve only to hurt, discriminate and persecute them like other minority groups do?

When Colorado police tried to target white kids expressing themselves with the gothic look because of Harris and Kleibold, parents of those students took a stand and warned them to "back off buster! You're not going to target our children!"**

Go on with your bad selves, AA-community. Keep on digging holes for yourselves and your own. You do the job on one another even KK*K wouldn't even attempt to do.

Some AAs in leadership roles stay too focused on non-issues and that's why others, even recently immigrants, some from African nations, are so far ahead economically and scholastically. While they're running around the school suspending their students for saggy pants or with rulers trying to measure the hem of the skirt to the knee, others are teaching physics, languages and world histories.

April 6, 2012 at 1:10 p.m.
Rtazmann said...

THE LAW ABOUT PANTS IS ABOUT SELF-RESPECT,,,,,I DON'T CARE ABOUT COLOR,,, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE A BUTT OR NASTY UNDERWEAR OR ANY OTHER NASTY PARTS..BACK IN MY DAY IF I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO WEAR MY HAT MY FATHER WOULD BREAK HIS FOOT OFF IN MY REAR END. HE USED TO TELL ME HE DIDN'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE HE WAS TALKING TO AN UNEDUCATED MORON..AND THAT HURTS WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS SAID AROUND HIS FRIENDS..,,WE HAD OUR FASHIONS AND FADS,,,BUT NEVER SOMETHING TO EXPOSE OUR BODIES OR DISRESPECT OUR FAMILIES.

April 6, 2012 at 11:16 p.m.
Rtazmann said...

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LEGISLATE MORALITY WHERE ARE THE PARENTS? SOME ONE HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE BESIDES A BODY THAT SAYS IT'S OK....NOW IS THE TIME TO LEARN,,NOT WHEN A KID IS 16..PARENTS ARE SUPPOSE TO BE TEACHERS ALSO.

April 6, 2012 at 11:30 p.m.
pNc said...

Bet you don't mind seeing those cute little butt cheeks hanging out from under those short shorts though, do you Rtazmann?

Rtazmann, I've seen boxers exposed. I've even seen shorts exposed under the sagging shorts or pants. However, the only time I've seen actual fleshy butts were on those white guys with big beer bellies hanging over their waistlines. You may not care about one skin color, but we already know which skin color will likely be targeted. Black people stay too focused on non-issues. So much so that they overlook their real problems. But keep on tap dancin' for the massah all the way to the prisons and back into slavery.

April 6, 2012 at 11:47 p.m.

JonRoss, what 99.9% of the rest of society are you referring to? I've not been in the U.S. all that long, however I've found that some of America's most educated do not speak correct English. I hope they don't pass a law against women walking around in those daisy's with their butt cheeks hanging out or showing cleavage. I think I'll just pack up my bags and move back to Europe if they do.

I don't understand why America's colored populace want laws they know will subject them to more persecution. Wasn't it America's coloreds who fought for stiffer sentencing for crack cocaine users, then cried foul when so many young colored males were sent to prisons? What do they want actually?

April 7, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.
Rtazmann said...

pNc I HAVE 2 DAUGHTERS I HELPED RAISE,,,,BOTH IN THEIR 30'S,,,OF COURSE THEY DON'T DRESS IN POOR TASTE,,,AND THEY DIDN'T IN THEIR TEENS.MY SON'S DIDN'T DRESS LIKE THAT,,,SADLY I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM BUT WHAT CAN BE DONE WHEN THEY ARE IN THE MAJORITY??IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SLAVERY,,,JUST BAD DECISIONS.

April 13, 2012 at 12:28 a.m.
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