published Wednesday, August 1st, 2012

Intolerance

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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I wonder how long we're going to have to wait for somebody to come up with a complaint that objecting to Chik-Fil-A's position is the real intolerance here.

It's a petty bit of tortured reasoning though.

August 1, 2012 at 12:03 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Fifteen minutes? Cartoon a Chik-Fil-A billboard with "Banned in Boston" stamped across it.

Cartoon President Obama quoting what he used to say about gay marriage with "bigot" stamped across his picture. (He was against it until he was for it, eh?)

Look, the man from Chick-FIl-A expresses a personal opinion in line with what the Bible and the historic Church has always said--that homosexual practice is sin to be repented of, forsaken, and forgiven--and the mayor of Boston threatens free speech and free enterprise in response (while giving city land to a Muslim cleric who wants to execute "gays" by burning or by throwing them off a cliff--source Mark Steyn, National Review online).

August 1, 2012 at 12:52 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM

Look, if a business owner like Dan Cathy wants to close his Chik Fil A stores on sunday that's, well, his business. And while I find his statements about gays marriage stupid I totally respect the fact that he isn't afraid to state his beliefs in public. (Wouldn't it be nice to find out what Mitt Romney really believes?)

I can stop going to his restaurant and if enough people join me he might get the message. I doubt he'll ever change his mind, I believe, because he's on a mission from god to reveal scripture and sell chicken sandwiches.

But unlike tea baggers, I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and voting,

August 1, 2012 at 12:59 a.m.
Salsa said...

Lefties don't believe in freedom of speech. That's why they created political correctness so they can brand any idea that doesn't perfectly match their own as "hate speech" and try of ban it.

August 1, 2012 at 1:07 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bulbous: It's not tortured reasoning at all. What IS touturous are people like you, Bennett, Rahm Emmanuel and the like. I fear for our country with people of your ilk coming to the fore. Scary and sad.

August 1, 2012 at 1:25 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Props to the Cathy family. EAT MORE CHIKN.

August 1, 2012 at 1:27 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Why aren't you saying "Buy from Amazon" as well?

Oh, I get it. You only support free speech when that speech coincides with your beliefs.

August 1, 2012 at 1:37 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Salsa,

Conservatives don't believe in bigotry. They use the "freedom of speech" line in order to get away with saying whatever they want. I exercise my 1st Amendment Right to call you and/or anyone that believes the same way the Cathy family does a bigot and a homophobe. The 1st Amendment is not an immunity to criticism. If you want to spout your opinion, get ready for someone else's opinion to get spouted right back at you.

August 1, 2012 at 1:44 a.m.
tenben62 said...

Easy, Libs like you now bore me. Broken records.

Eat more chicken!!!!!

August 1, 2012 at 2:18 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Tenben62,

Blah, blah, blah. Say something worth reading.

August 1, 2012 at 2:28 a.m.
hambone said...

I had one of those chicken sandwiches once.

In 1996

August 1, 2012 at 2:50 a.m.
fairmon said...

Chick-Fil-A will see a near term uptick in business then back to normal as the short term public memory works it's magic. I see nothing wrong with the owner expressing his personal views just as I don't see anything wrong with many others with whom I don't agree. Those that object to gays marrying are too selfish to take away the discriminatory motivation to make it legal.

Why should singles have higher tax rates?

Why should singles have higher health care rates?

Why should there be tax deductions based on the number in the family? My property and sales tax already help feed educate and provide health care for all those rug rats as some couples pop them out like a pez machine.

Why should those opting to buy a home be assisted (interest rate deductions) by those preferring not to buy?

The entire tax system is a 4 ft. high book of manipulation and favor showing to gain political popularity.

Check out the liberalizations over time to social security, medicare, medicaid etc. for married vs. singles. What is the justification for that when contributions are equal? Those same idiots supporting the liberalizations are now talking about how they have to be funded and fixed.

It is discrimination and selfishness that some try to disguise as moral with a majority (married) dictating to a minority (singles). Of course those filing joint returns will never admit that it is unfair and will try to justify the discrimination against singles.

August 1, 2012 at 5:13 a.m.
SICKofBS said...

Want to know what the bible really say about gays and marriage? Watch this short but accurate video that explains it all in easy terms that anyone can understand. http://youtu.be/OFkeKKszXTw

August 1, 2012 at 5:22 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Harp - for what it's worth, I'm married, I file joint tax returns and you are correct - it is one of the many inequities in our tax codes. We need a major overhaul for the purpose of reducing complexity and increasing fairness in our tax codes. And, I suggest that the standard for fairness is one in which taxes paid is proportional with benefits received - with a thorough and objective understanding of benefits received.

And, fwiw, I also agree that the owner of Chick-Fil-A ought to be free to speak his mind just as those who disagree with him ought to be free to speak theirs.

August 1, 2012 at 5:45 a.m.
Reardon said...

Good to see the libertarian side of people come out on this one.

It's rather simple -- just don't buy from Chick-fil-a if you got a problem; ain't that hard to do.

August 1, 2012 at 5:59 a.m.
EaTn said...

Reardon said...."It's rather simple -- just don't buy from Chick-fil-a if you got a problem; ain't that hard to do.".

Agree. And if enough of your friends do the same, you can make and impact. The same goes for those who support their stance. That's what makes us different from "closed" countries.

August 1, 2012 at 6:44 a.m.
delmar said...

To SICKofBS; You could have warned a guy,,, after spitting a mouth full of coffee on my computer, I feel it only fair to send you the bill for a new one. ;)

August 1, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
Ozzy87 said...

The willfully ignorant will overlook Cathy's blatant lying (one of the big 10's no-no) about leaving marriage equality to the courts and politicians when CFA donated $1.9 million to anti-gay rights groups in 2010 alone. Besides donating over $3 million from 2003 to '09. Some of those groups not only oppose civil marriage equality, but want to overturn existing antidiscrimination laws protecting gays and lesbians from discrimination in their workplace and housing. Some have have a stated goal to try to recriminalize homosexuality, and others have said if they had their way, homosexuals would be rounded up and forced into reorientation therapy (which has an overall documented 90+ percent failure rate) and if they didn't convert, inprisioned. I don't know about anyone else, but that sounds like supporting hate groups to me.

August 1, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.
dude_abides said...

"It's rather simple -- just don't buy from Chick-fil-a if you got a problem; ain't that hard to do." reared on

Truett Dat! Growing up with the last name Cathy, I'm sure he was picked on to the point of having to prove he's not effeminate... or chatty. But I think I would rather be a fighting cock than a fellated chicken with an unhappy ending.

August 1, 2012 at 7:36 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

All gays should rise in protest over how little effort Bennett put into this cartoon. A picket line in front of the TFP and a boycott of the paper are in order.

August 1, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
bandmom said...

Whether you agree with him or not, Dan Cathy has every right as a citizen of a free America to express his opinion and operate his business on every day except Sunday if he chooses. At least he is courageous enough to stand up for what he believes and own it, rather than hiding behind cartoons and claiming he is not promoting one view or another, such as Clay Bennett does daily. So whether you want to support Chick-fil-a or not, exercise your right to free speech, but do it in a way that is honest and courageous and stand by what you say.

August 1, 2012 at 7:49 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Up until now...I've disliked the taste of Chick-fil-a Chicken - now I go by the drive-by every chance I get! Stuff is starting to taste "real" good now...!!! Might start eating there on a regular basis...!

August 1, 2012 at 7:58 a.m.
WHS1970 said...

What time does your protest begin BRP?

August 1, 2012 at 8:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn in part responded.....

I suggest that the standard for fairness is one in which taxes paid is proportional with benefits received - with a thorough and objective understanding of benefits received.

We are in agreement per your response and this in particular. It is sad that the middle and lower income people fail to realize the benefit (deductions and other tax avoidance means) the wealthy have to reduce their effective tax rate.

Any revenue flowing to the government from individuals or businesses should be called a tax instead of the plethora of labels used. A dream would be to abolish all of these and have a tax on spending instead of income. That would indeed be a fair tax and level the field for everyone. The wealthier a person is the stronger the objection. The more powerful long term politicians will not consider it. The lemmings that would benefit most would be frightened by the media spinners and politicians who would then be broadcasting the American people don't won't this.

August 1, 2012 at 8:13 a.m.
fairmon said...

Chick-Fil-A is a privately owned business so not subject to Wall Street or investor reaction. The media probably won't report the increase in sales this week. I don't think there is anything in the bible that says a couple has to obtain a state license to be married. Ever wonder how many couples file joint returns and for other beneifts that don't have a state issued marriage license? Is it the ceremony and commitment that makes a marriage or the state issued license? Is a marriage performed by an authorized clergy or JP and recorded in a bible or by contract not just as good as a state issued license?

August 1, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.
conservative said...

God is intolerant of homosexuality!

August 1, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
joneses said...

Liberals are the most intolerant people I have ever met. if you do not believe as they then they condemn you. All the owner of Chick-Fil-A said was he did not believe in Gay marriage. What is wrong with that? Nothing! I had my first Chick-Fil-A sandwich last week and I see many more in my future. Why do hypocritical liberals not focus on all the lies this pathetic fool you put in the White House has told you? Are all of you that mesmerized by this fool you worship and are afraid of Hussein Obama? You must be because you never hold him accountable for his lies and failures. Hussein Obama and you POS liberals never are talking up any of his accomplishments. Why? Because everything Hussein Obama has done is a failure.

August 1, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

Prove your god is real. Prove Jesus' divinity. Prove the outlandish claims of the Bible. Until then, your god has no authority over anyone but you.

August 1, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

rather than hiding behind cartoons and claiming he is not promoting one view or another, such as Clay Bennett

I don't think Mr. Bennett has ever claimed to be impartial or not promoting views. He is a liberal cartoonist. He is not hiding either-his name is on every cartoon. I agreed with everything else you said, but this was unfair and unnecessary.

The owner of ChikFilA has every right to say what he believes and to funnel his profits into any cause he wants. It's a free country. No one should ban his restaurants or picket them (protesting outside is fine as long as they don't interfere with people coming in or out). I as a citizen can choose whether I want to spend my money there or at another fast food restaurant (many of which exploit their workers, unlike ChikFil A) or refuse to spend money on fast food at all, which is what I already do.

conservative, how do you know? Why would you god create gays in the first place?

August 1, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
joneses said...

Democrats – The Party of Intolerance and No

We want lower taxes so we can keep more of the money we earn. The Democrats say NO! We want war criminals prosecuted as war criminals. The Democrats say NO! We want real reform in health care – such as competition across state lines, low-cost high-deductible insurance options, and tax-exempt health-savings accounts. The Democrats say NO! Doctors want to be able to see their patients without paying $200,000 -$500,000 in medical malpractice insurance premiums. The Democrates say NO! We want our voices heard in Washington without being called obscene names. The Democrats say NO!

August 1, 2012 at 8:54 a.m.
joneses said...

We want to know what is going on in Congress as legislation is being hammered out. The Democrats say NO! We want our representatives to read and understand legislation before they vote on it. The Democrats say NO! We want our government to help democracies around the world and punish dictators who violate basic human rights of their citizens. The Democrats say NO! We want the freedom to own and use guns as we see fit, as protected by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. The Democrats say NO! We want the permanent elimination of death taxes so that family farms and businesses can stay in the family generation after generation. The Democrats say NO! We want a fiscally responsible Social Security system so we can remain confident that we won’t starve or freeze to death when we get old. The Democrats say NO! We want a pro-business government that wholeheartedly supports free-market capitalism. The Democrats say NO! We want freedom of speech on the radio, on television and over the internet without any interference whatsoever from government. The Democrats say NO!

August 1, 2012 at 8:55 a.m.
joneses said...

We want government policies to be completely color-blind, gender-blind, blind to sexual orientation or preference, in short, to be based solely on the character and quality of the person, not on the color of the skin or any other factor. The Democrats say NO! We want our government to listen to the voters. When we say yes, the government should say yes, when we say no, the government should say no. The Democrats say NO! We want the government to agree that we know what is better for us than the government does. The Democrats say NO! We want government employees to scrimp and save when we have to scrimp and save and not fly around the world burning up millions of gallons of jet fuel going to conferences and meetings that mean absolutely nothing for our country. The Democrats say NO! We want government to consider each and every life to be precious, and that government will not assist in ending that life, from the womb to old age. The Democrats say NO! We believe that America is exceptional. The Democrats say NO! We believe that America is the greatest nation that has ever existed and that we truly are the shining city on the hill, providing an example for all other nations to follow. The Democrats say NO! This November, when the Democrats ask for your vote, there is only one thing to tell them: NO!

August 1, 2012 at 8:55 a.m.
joneses said...

Conservative,

Do not waste your time trying to convince these fools there is a power greater than themselves. They have not the intellect to understand there is a power greater than man. They are really that stupid to think that everything in the universe can be chocked up to "s%$t happens". Their stupidity is quite amusing and God put them here to entertain us. The only thing they deserve is to be laughed at and a prayer.

August 1, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

conservative said... God is intolerant of homosexuality!

Con speaks for God! Isn't that a sin to Christians?

There is more and more evidence to suggest that homosexuality was not only tolerated in the church, but incouraged. One only has to look at the Book of Thomas along with the clergy's repeated abuses of boys to get an idea of just how the "secret books" teach these preists to attain godliness through sex. The reason the church is so against the common man being homosexual is that they feel it should be reserved for them.

"You won’t find this passage in any modern bible, but scientists believe that this ancient scripture was indeed part of the original Holy Bible; here is a passage:

“And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, ‘Son of David, have mercy on me.’ But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan.”"

http://davidgmcafee.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/the-forgotten-gospels-of-the-bible-did-jesus-condone-homosexuality/

August 1, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lil'silly Easy123: prove HE doesn't exist.

August 1, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

the clergy's repeated abuses of boys

JOW, don't equate homosexuality with sexual exploitation of children. They are not the same.

August 1, 2012 at 9:08 a.m.
Leaf said...

meh.

Hey, here's something interesting: http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2012/0713/Thanks-to-North-Dakota-US-waste-of-natural-gas-grows-rapidly

In these particular oil fields they are pumping out the oil and flaring off the natural gas. 100 million cubic feet last year. Seems like a waste. We might be wanting that gas in a few years. It took sixty million years to make and one year to waste. And it put off pollution equivalent to 70 million cars. Yikes.

August 1, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama's position is more than likely that since Chic-Fil-A is a business, they obviously "didn't build that". The government did. So shouldn't the government be able to shut them down? Huh...ponder...ponder...

August 1, 2012 at 9:12 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

joneses said... Conservative,

Do not waste your time trying to convince these fools there is a power greater than themselves. They have not the intellect to understand there is a power greater than man. They are really that stupid to think that everything in the universe can be chocked up to "s%$t happens". Their stupidity is quite amusing and God put them here to entertain us. The only thing they deserve is to be laughed at and a prayer.

No, we just chocked you up to "sht happens"! You are so demented in what you think of others, I wonder how you are able to get out of the house. You are so assured by other's evil because you give evil so much power. You see evil because you hate. Stop the hate. Love your neighbor as Jesus told you to do. Jesus said to treat the least of you as he. Are you laughing at Jesus? The things you say and hate are more in line with your Christian satan.

August 1, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

keithlu said... the clergy's repeated abuses of boys

JOW, don't equate homosexuality with sexual exploitation of children. They are not the same.

I agree it is no where near the same. I only say that it is what the church thinks, or wants the common man to think.

August 1, 2012 at 9:15 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett needs to show a little tolerance. He is one of those liberals that demands tolerance of his viewpoints but he makes a living attacking anyone who disagrees with him.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle fuchsia!

August 1, 2012 at 9:19 a.m.
conservative said...

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Psalm 2

August 1, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

When Chick Filet turns into a non-profit, giving all profits to God, then I will think Mr. Cathy is sincere. Until then, he is just trying to sheeple the base politically. I stand with his right to say and feel what he wishes, as well as my right to boycott. But he has taken it a few steps further. He has demoted and layed off women so they will be stay at home moms.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/30/chick-fil-a/

If he wants to run with the big dogs, he has to follow the rules like everyone else. It is not his views that will be his downfall, but his inability to realize he doesn't have a special set of rules just for him.**

If you like their chicken, get it while you can. In a few years, it will only be a memory.

August 1, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

The church WANTS the common man to THINK. The liberals want a liberal government to FORCE the common man to COMPLY.

August 1, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
mtngrl said...

The christian/conservative's hatred for homosexuality is actually relatively new. There is no such thing as your image of "traditional marriage".

http://www.humanitysteam.org/node/3299

"For the Church to ignore the evidence in its own archives would be cowardly and deceptive. The evidence convincingly shows that what the modern church claims has always been its unchanging attitude towards homosexuality is, in fact, nothing of the sort.

It proves that for the last two millennia, in parish churches and cathedrals throughout Christendom, from Ireland to Istanbul and even in the heart of Rome itself, homosexual relationships were accepted as valid expressions of a God-given love and committment to another person, a love that could be celebrated, honored and blessed, through the Eucharist in the name of, and in the presence of, Jesus Christ."

August 1, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
jesse said...

All them common men the church told to think did and are now agnostics and atheists !

Bad move on the churches part!!

August 1, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

There're still women's colleges that don't admit men either. WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE FROM THE "FAIRNESS" POLICE?

August 1, 2012 at 9:33 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

TOES02800 said... The church WANTS the common man to THINK. The liberals want a liberal government to FORCE the common man to COMPLY.

Maybe that is why the church advocated these 918 laws against women's vaginas, forcing them to comply.....LOL toes you are a joke. Drink some more, the glasses are starting to get rosy.

By demoting and firing women to force them into, as he put it, to be stay at home moms, Mr. Cathy is forcing these women to comply to his faith.

August 1, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

JustOneWoman has turned cynic. Who'da thunked it.

August 1, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Chick-fil-A meets reality, consumer ratings have plummeted by 41%

http://www.examiner.com/article/chick-fil-a-meets-reality-consumer-ratings-have-plummeted-by-41

August 1, 2012 at 9:37 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Rome only accepted homosexuality when it was a Pagan society. Afterwards they were fed to the lions.

August 1, 2012 at 9:38 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Jack, you always chime in with an opinion of the poster and not the substance. You know, you could do that with any fence post out there in your yard. Some of them might even talk back to you. Why don't you go try it and see what happens? Let us know.

August 1, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
mymy said...

97 days to go:

August 1, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Church's aren't forcing anybody. You can leave a church. But the government on the other hand....

Justoneslut...please go fuc# yourself. Loopy bitch.

August 1, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

TOES02800 said... Church's aren't forcing anybody. You can leave a church. But the government on the other hand....

Justoneslut...please go fuc# yourself. Loopy bitch.

YOU AND WHOS ARMY?

ooooooo Did I hit a nerve? Go fu myself? Like you have the right to tell anyone that?! How christian of you....how churchy of you......How Jesus acting of you. Well I guess we can see by your deeds what kind of person you are. No substance, fu the loopy bitch.......LOLOLOL I laugh at you!

August 1, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

JustOne: Who is us? It's all about opinion, Just. Here are some opinions: Cathy family can say what it wants. I've seen no evidence that the Cathys fires women so they can be stay at home moms. That's a reach. I don't care if you support chick-fil-A or not. Me, I will buy a sackful today BTW, Just, you gals need to get over that "war on women" crapola. There IS no war. Be like me....a moderate.

August 1, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Wow, TOES, that's beyond inappropriate language for the purposes of debate.. you must really be full of mucho duko if that's what end up sharing. Maybe joneses and yourself could have a stink-meeting somewhere to share your cutting-edge perspectives.

delmar, man I love G.C. and his excellently insightful sense of humor.

conny, haven't we already discussed this vanity issue you keep defaulting to when anyone questions your fragile (and immensely vain) beliefs?

August 1, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Jack, there is no such thing as a moderate birther

August 1, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Toes is a prime example of an attempt at intimidation by the use of the so called male power trip. Woman is not going back in the box. We don't need you to give us our power. Toes had nothing that could be said to my argument so went after me with sexual attacks. You time is at hand toes. Our vaginas are growing teeth.

August 1, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Jack_Dennis said... JustOne: Who is us? It's all about opinion, Just. Here are some opinions: Cathy family can say what it wants. I've seen no evidence that the Cathys fires women so they can be stay at home moms. That's a reach. I don't care if you support chick-fil-A or not. Me, I will buy a sackful today BTW, Just, you gals need to get over that "war on women" crapola. There IS no war. Be like me....a moderate.

??????? What planet do you live on? I have cited the link to the lawsuit. If you don't want to follow it, then don't. That car wont start if I don't put the key in it.

Be like you? No thank you. You are no more a moderate than the man in the moon.

August 1, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

JustOne: Yes, very moderate. A lawsuit does not prove anything, JustOne. You need to get over yourself. No one is against you. How's that toothed vagina working out for you? Her her roar, bwahaha

August 1, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

How's that flaccid penis working for you? Your sexism and ignorance is noted.

"prove HE doesn't exist."

The onus lies with the person that made the claim, moron.

August 1, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"Justoneslut...please go fuc# yourself. Loopy bitch."

Who raised you? Your mother, grandmother, wife (I doubt you have one) and daughter(s) would be ashamed of you. You've just emasculated yourself with your words.

August 1, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy I didn't make the claim. And your "onus" bs is wearing thin.

August 1, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

If you'll notice, I made no claim either.

When you say things like "your 'onus' bs is wearing thin.", it makes you look ignorant. But that's commonplace for you. You resent evidence and the gathering of it.

August 1, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said..."God is intolerant of homosexuality!"

God is intolerant of sin. However, God loves sinners - all sinners. And, if God doesn't love homosexuals, how can you be so sure that God loves you because you also are a sinner.

August 1, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn, you defend the abomination of homosexuality so often that I must ask you, are you a homosexual?

August 1, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

You defend Christianity so much; I must ask you, are you a pedophile?

August 1, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, your fear and hate of homosexuality is so disproportionate, I must ask: are you gay?

August 1, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Conservative - those of us who profess that Jesus is Lord also believe that each person is created in God's image. From that perspective, I am not defending "homosexuality" - I am defending others who, like you and me, have been created in God's image and whose rights have been compromised.

I'm also suggesting that people who profess to be Christian ought to live out of the Gospel rather than living out of two passages from Leviticus - to often cited out of context and in a manner that contradicts the clear teaching in Scripture that God is love.

August 1, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn, You are just spouting Liberal gibberish. Are you a homosexual?

August 1, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Conservative - I was raised and have lived my whole life as a Christian.

I asked you, in my post at 10:38, "And, if God doesn't love homosexuals, how can you be so sure that God loves you because you also are a sinner?"

My orientation really is none of your business. But, if you really want to know, please provide a straight-up answer to the question that I asked you and I will answer the question that you asked me instead of answering the question.

By the way, I'm surprised to hear you say that the Gospel is "liberal gibberish".

August 1, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.
mymy said...

97 days to go:

Labor Department trying to avoid November surprise?

Contractors holding pink slips until after Election Day?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1765149291001/contractors-holding-pink-slips-until-after-election-day

President Obama could be in for a rough landing Wednesday when he flies into a National Guard base in Ohio ahead of a nearby campaign stop -- it turns out that base is slated for steep budget cuts under the Obama administration's own budget plan.

The White House was caught seemingly unaware of the implications for Mansfield National Guard Base when questioned about the cuts at Tuesday's press briefing.

"I'm not aware of even the policy implications or what issue you're discussing," Press Secretary Jay Carney said.

But Ohio lawmakers and service members are all too familiar with a budget plan that could threaten the Mansfield guardsmen and women, the four C-27J aircraft stationed there and the base itself.

"If President Obama has his way, his Air Force One arrival would be one of the final flights into Mansfield Lahm Airport," Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, said. "Despite numerous reports highlighting the value of the 179th, and the critical capability they and their C-27J aircraft provide to our deployed soldiers, President Obama wants to do away with the mission for the 800 Guardsmen at the base."

He added: "They must be pretty frustrated to see the president drop into town, ignore their award-winning work, and fail to give them a straight answer about his plans to end their important mission."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/01/obama-landing-at-guard-base-threatened-by-budget-cuts/#ixzz22J7UZl00

August 1, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lilEasy who likes to make phallic references. One more time, links and Wiki are not evidence, Tool.

August 1, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.

I see what you did there Clay. I wouldn't want anyone to know who I was either if I tied a chicken store to intolerance. I hear they hate cattle.

They should have fewer problems with them coming into the stores now that that the owner made that comment on marriage. I'm all for cattle free chicken restaurants. Some cows are full of B.S.

August 1, 2012 at noon
EaTn said...

I, along with many posting here, are Christians by the grace of God because if we had to defend our sinful selves for all the garbage we've thrown at each other, we would come-up far short of the winner's finish line and far short on the glory of God.

August 1, 2012 at noon
lkeithlu said...

No tu, but some of the most outspoken anti-gay people are those that are gay themselves and terrified of that possibility. When you see someone who is over-the-top homophobic, there is usually a reason. Gays harm no one, are not a threat to society, and cannot turn someone else gay. Why the venom?

August 1, 2012 at 12:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

"One more time, links and Wiki are not evidence, Tool."

Evidence is evidence, ninnyhammer. It doesn't matter the source. If it's verifiable then it is evidence. It's mind boggling that you can't comprehend that and you apparent hatred for evidence. You're worse than a child. Maybe it's just your dementia.

August 1, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tu - if you believe that God loves homosexuals, they why aren't you standing with me to insist on equal rights for everyone, irrespective of orientation>

August 1, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

God, I love the courage of standing up for your beliefs, whether they are perceived as right or wrong by the masses. It's a lost art these days. Rock on, I be eatin' at Chick Filet every day, And I'm notr a homophobe.

August 1, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn, homosexuals are unrepentant sinners. Christians are repentant sinners. Jesus Christ paid the penalty (eternal death ) for the Christian. Christ did not die for people to continue a lifestyle of sin. The homosexual is easily identified as an unrepentant sinner by his behavior just as a fornicator. This is basic and this is simple Christian doctrine.

Your Liberal gibberish is not the gospel.

Going to church, having parents who go to church, having parents who are Christians, reading the Bible, giving to the poor, praying, doing good works etc does NOT make one a Christian! No one has been a Christian all of his life!

August 1, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oh, boy! Are you finally going to tell all of us here what a TROO CHRISTIAN (TM) is?

PS-give some examples too. Past or present-doesn't matter. Include yourself, but explain why.

August 1, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

"Jesus Christ paid the penalty (eternal death ) for the Christian."

This is actually false. Jesus was only dead for 2 days. Doesn't seem like a full payment to me. Sinners have to go to hell for eternity but Christians get to go to heaven because Jesus went to hell for 2 days? LOL!

Steven Weinberg and Christopher Hitchens said it best:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”

This is the case for Christian's and their hate for homosexuals. You hate people for their nature. Homosexuals have done nothing to become the way they are other than being born. They had no say in their sexuality just as heterosexuals had no say in theirs. You are a fool if you believe otherwise.

Your Christian rhetoric is cheap.

August 1, 2012 at 12:41 p.m.

Lkeithlu, did you mean to say that Chik-fil-A doesn't exploit their workers? Because there are serious allegations that they have.

Harp3339, since marriage includes several specific legal rights that you can't grant to another through other means, I'm afraid your focus on the tax issue is misdirected. Which is misguided anyway since you're fooling yourself into the trap of fairness being equal trap when there's actually a lot more going on than that.

But there sure are a bunch of people still confusing tolerance with an inability to criticize or oppose others for their intolerance.

So we get a lot of feigned outrage from a bunch of people upset at being told that no they can't abuse and oppress other people.

Besides, this isn't just one guy's personal views. It's lobbying to influence the government.

August 1, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy123: You poor, poor, sad little naive pathetic child.

August 1, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Conservative - I have been heterosexual for as long as I can remember. It was a discovery that I made when I was so young that I did not know why it was interesting to play doctor with the girls but cowboys and indians was more appropriate when playing with boys.

Being Christian is believing in Christ, ala John 3:16-17, a faith which I have held for as long as I can remember.

I am not willing to concede that living in a committed, homosexual relationship is sinful. But, whether it is/isn't is irrelevant to the question of who is/is not a repentant sinner. Repentance is more than confessing specific sins, it is a matter of confessing our fundamental sinful condition and turning to God, in Christ, as the source of forgiveness and hope.

Ultimately, repentance is a matter between the individual and God and not a matter for you to judge. And, repentance is not a matter of no longer sinning. If God were to judge the homosexual as you have judged the homosexual, that same judgement would rest upon you (and upon me).

August 1, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.

How can one sin what is outside of one's own control?

Reminds me of thee thinking that handedness, baldness, or sterility was a sign of moral failing.

Oh wait, some people are going to dogmatically insist that it's a choice.

August 1, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
biofish said...

Clay is a moron. HIS OWN PRESIDENT was anti-gay marriage just a few months ago..

and he only switched for the election!

August 1, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

"Easy123: You poor, poor, sad little naive pathetic child."

Such an enlightening post. LMAO!

When you can't argue, you just name-call. I usually try to do both. It adds a little flavor to the argument.

August 1, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
MTJohn said...

TU - and it is always the same with you. You confuse your ability and willingness to insult those with whom you disagree with rational thought.

August 1, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lilEasy: Well, you're hitting 500. But you're still a pathetic little school boy.

August 1, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.
tderng said...

Easy123 said...This is actually false. Jesus was only dead for 2 days. Doesn't seem like a full payment to me. Sinners have to go to hell for eternity but Christians get to go to heaven because Jesus went to hell for 2 days? LOL! actually easy many Christians do not believe that sinners spend eternity in Hell,instead they believe that the punishment is the second death which is eternal.Personally I don't believe that a just god would make a person imperfect and then punish the person for all eternity for making imperfect choices. Yes He gave us free will but his punishment for making wrong decisions is eternal death and not being able to live eternally in paradise. There are references to the lake of fire and the bottomless pit which are reserved for Satan and the False Prophet.

August 1, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Fantastic.

August 1, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"actually easy many Christians do not believe that sinners spend eternity in Hell,instead they believe that the punishment is the second death which is eternal"

The majority of Christians believe that unsaved people spend eternity in hell.

"Personally I don't believe that a just god would make a person imperfect and then punish the person for all eternity for making imperfect choices."

Then you don't believe in Christianity. The central dogma of Christianity is that we are all inherently sinful and we must be made pure again by accepting the human sacrifice of a Nazarene carpenter. Have you read the Bible?

"but his punishment for making wrong decisions is eternal death and not being able to live eternally in paradise."

What a kind, merciful god. Give them the ability to think for themselves but punish them for not thinking like ME!

How is it possible that anyone could believe any of this psychotic rhetoric? "Lake of fire", "bottomless pit", "live eternally in paradise". It's like a science fiction novel.

August 1, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.

Biofish, there's a long gap between not supporting same-sex marriage and being genuinely anti-gay.

I never heard President Obama say that homosexuals were sinners or express systematic disapproval of them.

Sure, I wanted Obama to change his mind, and he did. So did Mitt Romney. In the other direction. Oddly that one can admit changing his mind while the other can't.

August 1, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy123: Are you 5'4" tall?

August 1, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Yes. I'm 5' 4" at about my Adam's Apple.

August 1, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Hambone wrote: "I had one of those chicken sandwiches once."

"In 1996"

That's about the last time I patronized Chick-Fil-A. I haven't seen fit to patronize them again because those 'chikin' sandwiches weren't all that special.

Apparently, all this attention given Chick-Fil-A and Dan Cathy, surrounds an interview with the man by a reporter with the Biblical Recorder, a weekly newspaper published by the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, where Dan Cathy expressed a variety of opinions about the operation of his business and the subject of traditional family values.

At no time was any question asked, nor did he opine, on the specific issue of gay marriage. People have construed his words to take on a meaning that he never expressed.

Dan Cathy has never, to my knowledge, expressed any condemnation of gay marriage, as people have accused him of doing. He might well be against gay marriage, but there is no quote out there of the man uttering anything negative in regard to it. His comments were positive, in that he supported the Biblical definitions of marriage.

Boston Mayor Thomas “Mumbles” Menino, issued a public statement that has gone viral across the nation;

“Chick-fil-A doesn’t belong in Boston. You can’t have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population. We’re an open city, we’re a city that’s at the forefront of inclusion. That’s the Freedom Trail. That’s where it all started right here. And we’re not going to have a company, Chick-fil-A or whatever the hell the name is, on our Freedom Trail.”

Chick-Fil-A is a very unique fast food restaurant chain. They are the only fast food chain to close on each and every Sunday. Anyone who desires to own a Chick-Fil-A franchise is thoroughly vetted and screened for Christian values. They are expected to hire only workers that support the same.

As a result of their business model, the worker turnover rate for the chain, nationwide, is less than 5%. People are told during the interview process that unless they intend to work for them for life, don't bother taking the job.

Is any of this wrong? No. A business striving to hire the best of the best, as they define it, is perfectly within its rights to hire the best worker they can find.

Is it what they do illegal? It probably has been determined to be so from time to time. Chick-Fil-a has been sued numerous times for discrimination. Almost every lawsuit has been settled outside of a court room.

(To Be Cont.)

August 1, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
alprova said...

(Cont.)

There are no federal laws that prohibit companies from asking questions about religion and marital status during interviews.

Chick-fil-A has more freedom to ask whatever it wants of franchisees because they fund every cent of the cost of building a franchise location. Chick-fil-A pays for the land, the construction and the equipment. It then rents everything to the franchisee for 15% of the restaurant's sales plus 50% of the pretax profit remaining. Thus, they not necessarily subject to federal employment discrimination laws.

Right, wrong, or indifferent, Chick-Fil-A is operating their businesses in a manner that people may or may not agree with, and people all over this nation have a right to support or to not support them with their dollars.

Do public officials who disagree with their particular business model have a right to practice a little discrimination of their own against Chick-Fil-A by working to refuse them an opportunity to purchase land to erect another franchise location?

No. I think that's stepping over the line more than a little bit.

August 1, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

After slogging through the talibangicals sewer of responses, I realize that the study published in Psychological Science in January is true : conservatives DO have a lower I.Q. than the average American. Hey baggers, how do like defending a company that Forbes Magazine called "a cult" in 2007?

August 1, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Alprova, read my comment at 7:35 am, then tell me what Cathy thinks. Actions speak a lot louder than lies.

August 1, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
wallyworld said...

We too have the right to not patronize a bigoted establishment. Bet Chick-fil-A wishes this month would end. Over the past few weeks, the restaurant chain's deep ties to the anti-gay movement have been exposed and uncovered by a number of activists, most notably Jeremy Hooper at Good As You. Whether it's Focus on the Family, the National Organization for Marriage, the Pennsylvania Family Institute, or Exodus International, Chick-fil-A ties run deep.

Of course, the President of Chick-fil-A wants gay people to share no hard feelings. The restaurant will gladly feed homosexuals gobs of chicken sandwiches, after all. But when it comes to marriage, Chick-fil-A believes strongly that same-sex couples just don't deserve equal rights.

As we wrote about a few weeks ago, Chick-fil-A's charitable arm, the WinShape Foundation, has been particularly active in the fight against marriage equality. They've hosted conferences with some of the leading opponents of gay marriage in this country. A higher up at WinShape has even praised the efforts of anti-gay activist David Blankenhorn for working against marriage equality, and for articulating a solid reason why American culture should reject same-sex couples.

Now comes some email correspondence that Good As You has shared on their blog, where the WinShape Foundation's Retreat Center -- a center run by the charitable arm of Chick-fil-A -- admits that they have a severe distaste for LGBT people.

August 1, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "God is intolerant of homosexuality!"

And you Sir, just took the Lord's name in vain and chose to speak on his behalf.

You have no idea whatsoever what it is that God is intolerant of.

You base your beliefs on a book of words written by humans.

August 1, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.

MTJohn, Since men and women are biologically compatible in that they can mate and procreate, you would need to believe that God made a mistake when he made gay people. That isn't consistent with any version of Christianity that I know of. If you believe it was done on purpose then you must also believe that pedophiles are O.k. since they were "born that way" just like gays. If that is what you believe, I think Lady Gaga is a more compatible god than the Christian version.

August 1, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
EaTn said...

alprova wrote...."And you Sir, just took the Lord's name in vain and chose to speak on his behalf."

There's a tv commercial for singles dating and very often outdoor church announcements that have the nerve to speak on behalf of God. It makes me shutter.

August 1, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02900 wrote: "The church WANTS the common man to THINK. The liberals want a liberal government to FORCE the common man to COMPLY."

That's probably the most laughable set of statements you have ever written to date in this forum.

Churches want you to believe the viewpoints of whatever the person behind the pulpit espouses...plain and simple.

No church that I am aware of desires anyone who is in attendance to grow a brain for one second. They want you to believe as they do and if you don't mind, to be sure to put as much money as you can possibly spare into the kitty.

"God demands you tithe ten percent of what you earn." A little too convenient and hastily written into the Bible, don't you think?

Wasn't it just the other day that someone was arguing that God never asked people to help the poor by giving them money, but if we are to believe that the Bible is literally God's word, that we are to believe that he has carved out a nice little niche for himself?

Any charge that Liberals want to use the power of Government to force people to comply with anything, is just as relevant and applicable to Conservatives and their pet agendas.

Conservatives have been working forever to use the power of Gov't to force unmarried women to download embryos that they cannot afford to raise.

Conservatives have always wanted to use the power of Gov't to force people, mainly children, to participate in forced acts of public prayer.

Christian Conservatives are all for using the power of the Federal Gov't to declare that the United States be a nation founded on Christian beliefs, and would be content to outlaw any and all other religions, despite the fact that there exists vast differences in opinions that they cannot settle with each other, thus the reason there are more than 38,000 denominations of Christian churches.

For sure, it's just Liberals who want to force others to comply with anything...eh?

August 1, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.

Wallyworld, I think you are confused. Most people aren't anti-gay. They are anti- having other people's opinions shoved on them. They are anti- being told what to think. I see it as intolerant for a group to attack a restaurant just because the owner voiced his opinion based upon a tenant of his faith. Tolerance isn't demonstrated by vilifying those who don't agree with you.

August 1, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Here's a thought. Chick-fil-a can continue to support man/woman wedlock. Enlightened "progressives" and gays can stay away. How complicated is that?

August 1, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.

Careful Jack_Dennis, you are suggesting people exercise their freedom. That sets them off like an atomic bomb, which they are of course against.

August 1, 2012 at 3:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Ozzy87 wrote: "Alprova, read my comment at 7:35 am, then tell me what Cathy thinks. Actions speak a lot louder than lies."

I'm always dubious of claims of donations to this and that group by a corporation, because there's little in the way of proof to such claims.

That aside, Dan Cathy is most likely totally opposed to gay marriage and is equally opposed to homosexuality in general.

What would change his mind? Who could change his mind? Nothing and nobody. He's as entitled to his opinions as anyone else.

People who adamantly agree with the man clamour to associate themselves with the business. Those in opposition would never grace the doors of one of their establishments.

I would never in a million years involve myself, in any manner, with a business that is run similar to the way that Chick-Fil-A is operated, both as an associate or now that I am informed to their business model, as a customer.

But that in no manner translates into my endorsing any strategy that anyone who has the power to do so, to prevent Chick-Fil-A from prospering.

I would be equally appalled by any group of people who assemble themselves to operate a business, who would work to thrive by adopting a business model that would exclude any and Christians at every opportunity.

Two wrongs will never make a right.

August 1, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.
mymy said...

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. " -- Ariel Durant

August 1, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.

People are always forgetting that Chik-Fil-A is not just operating on their lonesome, but that these contributions are to groups who do engage in lobbying. To change laws, or to prevent laws from being passed as the case may be.

Can Chik-Fil-A promise to refrain from trying to do that?

Oh wait, no, they won't. Sorry people who believe that Chik-Fil-A just wants to be free, they're trying to change things for the rest of us too.

mymy: A civilization destroys itself from within when it would rather turn to the faded glories of the past than seek out a promising future.

August 1, 2012 at 4:42 p.m.
timbo said...

There are no people on the face of the earth that are more intolerant than liberals. Have any of you idiots ever heard of free speech? The chicken guy was expressing an opinion. ONE THAT WAS EXPRESSED BY OBAMA AND SEVERAL "Prominent DEMOCRATS" JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AGO.

I didn't see any of you hypocrites criticizing Obama at that time.

There are a lot of people in this country that just don't agree with you idiots. Disagreeing with your twisted agenda has nothing to do with being intolerant. It means that some of us have a little sense. In this case, it has to do with his religious view that his God said this was wrong and that he is supposed to do what his God said.

The problem with you libs is that most of you are inconsistent. If this guy was selling Mapplethorpe pictures I wonder how intolerant you would be it the Chik-filet guy said something.

Liberals are mentally ill and Bennett and the rest of you clowns prove it every day.

August 1, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lots of Crow-fil-A being consumed today, too.

August 1, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.

No, he wasn't just expressing his personal opinion, but seeking to change the laws and influence politicians. That was the point of his donations to lobbying groups.

And no, President Obama wasn't expressing the same opinion as Cathy at all. Not supporting something isn't the same as outright opposing it and disparaging those who disagree with you. And yes, Cathy is opposing and disparaging, while Obama was not supporting. That said, if you didn't see people attempting to persuade President Obama to support same-sex marriage, that would be because you didn't look for it. It exists.

You think you're simply disagreeing. You're not. You are trying to change the laws. Look how you just said you are the one who has sense, who is claiming God is on your side, who is disparaging others as mentally ill. Sorry, but you aren't just sticking to what you want, but seeking to impose on others.

And when you want the state to adhere to YOUR view point, that's where I'm going to object.

But I can understand how you can't realize how it's actually quite consistent. You're just looking for an excuse to attack liberals, so you try a bit of petty sophistry that was debunked thousands of years ago.

Sorry, but intolerance of your intolerance is not bigotry. Keep selling that load of BS though, the more you try to do that, the less persuasive you are.

Something about it being an obvious lie.

August 1, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bulbs: Consistently full of it.

August 1, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Monuments should be built to your ignorance and lack of substance in every post you present.

TROLL

August 1, 2012 at 5:06 p.m.

Their conduct is the best indicator that they're in the wrong.

August 1, 2012 at 5:15 p.m.
timbo said...

Happywithanewbutt......What laws can he change? He isn't in the legislature. He didn't even state that he wanted the law changed. From the Washington Post he said, "“we’re inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say we know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage. And I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude that thinks we have the audacity to redefine what marriage is all about.” SEE ANYTHING ABOUT "A LAW."

Another quote from the Washington Post, "Following backlash after those remarks, Cathy then told the Baptist Press in an article posted July 16 that he is “guilty as charged” and is very “supportive of the family — the biblical definition of the family unit.”

So get you head out of your happy butt and for once tell the truth about something.

By the way, you attack conservatives CONSTANTLY. I only attack liberals when they act stupid. That is quite often in you case.

I don't care if gay people want to have any kind of "union" in any orifice they please but the insistence that what they do is normal when it is not gets on my nerves. For example, if I said that most normal birds fly south for the winter...that would be like a heterosexual. Although most birds fly south, there is a small percentage of birds that exhibit abnormal behavior and stay where they are. Those abnormal birds would be homosexual. Heterosexuality is normal. Only about 10% of the population is gay so it is accurate to say that the vast majority people are normal and the 10% of gay people are not. Gay behavior is not the norm it is something else.

If gays want to be "married" why don't they call it something else that won't piss off the religious right.

This is about acceptance of something that is against their religion. That is not possible for Mr. Cathy and people like him. You are as intolerant as he is because you just don't get how people like him think.

Like I said, I really don't give a damn one way or the other. I think they should have the gay marriage channel. That would be a serious hoot. You could make a meager attempt at logic.

August 1, 2012 at 5:22 p.m.

HWNB said: "but seeking to change the laws and influence politicians"

Let me try to recall where you stood on the Wisconsin bruhaha... I don't remember, could you enlighten us all on that? You weren't supporting the evil unions who were seeking to change the laws and influence politicians were you?

That was too easy.

August 1, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.

Timbo, indeed, he's not in the legislature. That's why he's paying to lobby those who are. Have you not paid attention to what lobbying groups do?

Maybe you should actually read some of the rest of that Washington Post article.

Look at this section:

"Further, a report published by gay rights advocacy group Equality Matters earlier this month says Chick-fil-A donated more than $3 million to Christian groups opposed to homosexuality between 2003 and 2009, and nearly $2 million more in 2010."

Gee, what is their opposition manifesting in? Maybe you could read the report.

And you attack liberals incessantly, so stop lying and pretending to be more virtuous. You really don't make your case better with frauds and deceptions, or by putting yourself on a pedestal.

But I suppose you'd rather just pretend it's all about strengthening marriages and families. Of course you just said they can't possibly accept others. So...you just admitted they couldn't tolerate others, but had to fight to change it. Well, guess what? That's the root of the opposition to them. Yet you say we're intolerant for not letting THEM have THEIR way which is to DENY right to others because THEY can't accept it. I think that proves my point.

And I don't recall anybody asking any particular religion to sanctify any given marriage. Here's the thing, there's plenty of secular recognition of marriages, and yes, it turns out that lots of groups ARE asking for that not to be acknowledged, not even, as you suggest, with alternatives.

Sorry, but I guess you missed North Carolina's recent vote.

FPSE, in what way did you get the idea to think I opposed seeking to change the laws at all? Did you just stop read one short phrase and miss the rest of it?

I was pointing out that he's not simply sticking to his personal opinions, but acting in a way that impacts the rest of us. That's why we choose to oppose him. You don't get to influence the laws without any criticism. Though you should at least be honest, unlike the attempts to claim that it's actually intolerance to not let Cathy influence the laws as he wants.

But I guess it's ok to cut a person's words up and miss the point of what they said. After all, Mitt Romney does it, and that means it's OK!

August 1, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn...

So, in presenting the Gospel to a lost person such as a practicing homosexual you would tell that person to read John 3:16-17?

MTJohn, scores of people believe that because they were raised in a Christian home, have attended church, have been a choir memeber, have particpated in rituals and ceremonies, wore robes, lit candles, recited prayers, given money, read their Bible, BEEN BAPTIZED, done good works and here maybe the worst, BEEN A GOOD PERSON, they will find favor with GOD and go to heaven.

But what does Scripture say about good works and being a good person gaining Salvation?

"There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways:And the way of peace have they not known:There is no fear of God before their eyes.Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 3: 11-20.

MTJohn, in the eyes of God mankind is just no good - "There is none righteous, no, not one", and good works win no favor with God - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." No person will be saved by doing good works as prescribed by any law of God.

Also, "he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit," Titus 3 :5

One more, "by works of the law no one will be justified." Galations 2 :16

However,Christians, those who are saved will do good works, NOT to gain Salvation but as evidence that they are saved!

August 1, 2012 at 5:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

"However,Christians, those who are saved will do good works, NOT to gain Salvation but as evidence that they are saved!"

Christians do "good works" because they believe they will be rewarded for it in heaven. And, on the flip side, if they don't do these good works, they will be rebuked in heaven or end up in hell. It doesn't seem very sincere. You could can get people to do a lot of things on the threat of eternal torture or the promise of eternal reward. LMAO!

August 1, 2012 at 5:54 p.m.

HWNB, Anyone who votes acts in a way that has the potential to impact everyone. Are you saying unions don't act in ways that impact the rest of us? They lobby and give to political action groups and sometimes even act as political action groups themselves.

HWNB said: "FPSE, in what way did you get the idea to think I opposed seeking to change the laws at all?" Are you kidding? Almost the whole comment was about how you thought it was wrong for him to try to change the laws.

Criticism is fine, boycots and kiss-ins are not criticism. Trying to destroy someone's credibility and business because they expressed their opinion is intolerance.

August 1, 2012 at 6 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

When will the talibaggers realize religious reasons are IRRELEVANT in a court of law?

August 1, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.

FPSE, again, how did you get the idea that I was opposing seeking to change the laws at all? That's so far from what I said that your understanding is the problem. Maybe you really need to go over it again. What I am stating is, again, not simply seeking to influence the laws as the problem, but that doing so is grounds for criticism and opposition.

But actually, boycotts are criticism. They are outright saying a position. Don't do business with these people. That is a legal action expressing a point of view. What makes you think it's not criticism? You might have a point if you specifically objected to direct interference inside a place of business, but when you say "boycotts and kiss-ins are not criticism" you're making a false claim as the part about boycotts is entirely legal and is considered criticism. And even if you want to say you don't believe actual disruption of operations is lawful, it'd still be criticism.

Keep trying to push it as the real intolerance here, while expecting everybody else to ignore that the initial message is really the one of intolerance with the express influencing of laws to discriminate against others for specious reasons founded on religious reasoning.

Ozzy87: I don't know, but they sure feel oppressed about it.

August 1, 2012 at 6:12 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

What is the big deal? The place has been closed on Sunday from the start. Anyone have an idea why that could possibly mean? Maybe he has the right idea and the world was a much more relaxing place when businesses were all closed on Sunday and there was nowhere to go but to visit family & friends or take the family for a ride in the country. It was only @ 40 years ago!

No matter if you are a lesbian, homosexual, or a preoperative transvestite, you may not like what the nice man said but you still want to go eat his chicken with those wonderful waffle fries and drink some real fresh squeezed lemonade. Lets not forget that even rainbow people love that Polynesian sauce, and you can't get that anywhere else. So line up, give him your money, enjoy the food and quit with the silly nonsense. One more thing that sets the place apart from other fast food joints. The service is outstanding, the place is clean and the food is exceptional. Just maybe the man is on to something?

August 1, 2012 at 6:26 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

If profits from ChickFilA go to Focus on the Family, they will no longer get any $ from me. That organization promotes creation and intelligent design in science class and is anti LGBT. Of course, they have the right to say what they want and give money to whatever causes they like. I appreciate their honesty, so that I don't inadvertently support causes I don't agree with.

What is the big deal? The place has been closed on Sunday from the start. Anyone have an idea why that could possibly mean? Maybe he has the right idea and the world was a much more relaxing place when businesses were all closed on Sunday and there was nowhere to go but to visit family & friends or take the family for a ride in the country. It was only @ 40 years ago!

This I DO agree with!

BTW, conservative, define what a Christian is. You have made it clear what a Christian is NOT.

August 1, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

JonRoss: Certainly those clean-cut kids at chick-fil-A are not enlightened. Poor saps.

August 1, 2012 at 6:44 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova, your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. You falsely claim we have no Scripture,the word of God. We have many of the original manuscripts in their original languages. These Scriptures have been translated by scholars into modern translations. These Bibles are available and have been available and will always be available. They are everywhere, where have you been?

The word of God contains God's will! The word of God is the revelation of God.

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.2 Timothy 3:15-16

You obviously have no idea about what constitutes taking the Lord's name in vain.

Countless pastors, teachers, preachers, evangelists, have preached against homosexuality and other sins condemned by God. Where have you been?

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.1 Corinthians 6: 9-11.

"nor men who practice homosexuality" "the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God"

Yes, Yes, Yes, God is intolerant of the sin of homosexuality! The practicing homosexual will not inherit the kingdom of God!! Do you see that now? God is clear!

August 1, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

After watching the rollie-pollies waddle around outside cfa, they obviously never learned that gluttony is a sin. So they will be toasting their toes right beside mine, judging them by the same standard they judge me.

August 1, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.

whatsthefuss, nobody's concerned especially about them being closed on a Sunday, they're a restaurant, not a hospital or other essential service. That's their choice.

Well, I suppose some who prefer the Sabbath was honored on its original day might be sticklers, but I'm not one of them.

The problem is, as I said, their attempts to influence the laws of the state. At that point they are going outside of their individual conduct and into the affairs of others.

Or would you support them telling other companies to close on Sunday just like them, with the force of law behind it, for their specific religious reasons? It'd be one thing if it were based on secular concerns like worker safety or noise levels, but when it's a religious custom, that's asking a bit much.

And FWIW, if you want Polynesian Sauce, you can buy it at Wal-Mart. Maybe not the local ones, but they do stock it online. Look under Marzetti Honey French Dressing.

Though if you look at the ingredients, I'm not sure any of them have anything to do with Polynesian cuisine. Maybe you should make your own with local ingredients. I did hear on WUTC that some local shops are doing a locally-sourced food event.

August 1, 2012 at 7:03 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn, the practicing homosexual is under judgment now. The wrath of God abides on him now!

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.1 Corinthians 6: 9-11.

"nor men who practice homosexuality" "the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God"

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. Romans 1:18

MTJohn, God is at war with the sinner who has not turned to Jesus Christ for Salvation.

The practicing homosexual is not a child of God just as a drunkard is not a child of God.

Yes, God is intolerant of the sin of homosexuality! The practicing homosexual will not inherit the kingdom of God!! Do you see that now? God is clear!

August 1, 2012 at 7:05 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, why can't you tell us what a Christian is?

August 1, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You non-enlightenend types are clinging to God, Guns, & Chicken sandwiches.

August 1, 2012 at 7:58 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Here's a link to the groups Cathy lied about not supporting financially.

http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001

August 1, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.
hambone said...

We don't have a Chick-Fil-A where I live. As a mater of fact there's not one in the whole county.

So just so my neighbors won't think I'm Gay, i put a sign in the back window of my car that says...

"I'm on my way to Chick-Fil-A"

I"ll wait till Mike Huckabee and Sara Palin tell everybody to go to Krystal!!

August 1, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.
joneses said...

All you liberals that preach tolerance are actually the least tolerant of all.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/31/boycott-about-so-much-more-than-chicken-sandwich/

August 1, 2012 at 8:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

You're exactly right. Intolerant of bigotry and ignorance. Keep whining.

August 1, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said..."God is at war with the sinner who has not turned to Jesus Christ for Salvation."

Conservative - you might be at war with people whom you think are not as good as you. However, the suggestion that God is at war with unrepentant sinners is contradicted by Luke 15.

And, I will stand on my suggestion that you are just as guilty as the homosexual were you to judge yourself by the same standard by which you would judge them. There are Bible passages that so state if you care to look them up.

August 1, 2012 at 9:25 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "You obviously have no idea about what constitutes taking the Lord's name in vain."

No Sir. That would be you. Invoking the name of God to speak on his behalf, no matter how convinced you are that you are correct in doing so, is just as bad as invoking his name in condemnation of someone.

I'd ask you to think about it for a minute, but I am thoroughly convinced that you are incapable of rational thought.

" You falsely claim we have no Scripture,the word of God."

Do not twist my words. I stated categorically that the Bible is not the word of God. It is the word of countless men.

"We have many of the original manuscripts in their original languages."

We? Who is this "we?"

"These Scriptures have been translated by scholars into modern translations."

1.) There is no one on the face of this Earth who can acertain exactly who wrote these ancient scriptures, nor are they dated. They most certainly cannot trace it to "God."

2.) You, of all people, likely have no knowledge of any language outside of modern English, and are therefore reliant on blind faith that any translation contained in a modern Bible, regardless of version, is accurate.

3.) King James and the Church of England radically overhauled the Bible during the 1600's, and those passages exist in what can be read today in all modern versions. There is no way under Heaven that the Bible read today resembles any ancient scroll or document in existence. It is a creation of many men.

"These Bibles are available and have been available and will always be available. They are everywhere, where have you been?"

And you call me ignorant and arrogant. What I state is no secret, nor is it controversial. The Bible you read today is not based at all on any ancient scrolls or documents, and it is only slightly over 400 years old.

The English version of the Bible you read today did not exist before 1611. It took nearly 50 years for people to agree on a King James version of the Bible, and by 1669, it had been reduced from 80 books to 66.

The Bishop's Bible was the first English translation, performed by the Church of England in 1572. Prior to that, there was the Great Bible, which the Church of England deplored because it was translated into Latin, so therefore they wrote their own version of the Bible. The King James version is based on the Church of England's Bishop's Bible.

"Yes, Yes, Yes, God is intolerant of the sin of homosexuality! The practicing homosexual will not inherit the kingdom of God!! Do you see that now? God is clear!"

So says the Church of England. You have absolutely no concept of what God thinks or feels, and you are indeed taking God's name in vain to speak on his behalf and declaring it.

August 1, 2012 at 9:26 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Why are they whining like THEY'RE the victim? Why weren't they blowing snot and wailing like a banshee when the talibangicals were protesting in front of, and believe it or not, hiring a small plane towing anti-gay banners over Walt Disney World during Gay Day? Or screech when a boycott was called for against J.C. Penney when they hired Ellen Degeneres as a spokesperson? HYPOCRITES!

August 1, 2012 at 9:31 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said..."MTJohn, scores of people believe that because they were raised in a Christian home, have attended church, have been a choir memeber, have particpated in rituals and ceremonies, wore robes, lit candles, recited prayers, given money, read their Bible, BEEN BAPTIZED, done good works and here maybe the worst, BEEN A GOOD PERSON, they will find favor with GOD and go to heaven."

I didn't say that and you didn't read my posts very well if you think that is what I was trying to say. We have favor with God because of what God has done for us - John 3:16-17 - not anything we have done to merit God's favor. God shows His love for us in this, that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us - and note that Paul did say, "while we were yet sinners".

So, I will ask the question that you have not yet answered a third time. If you would deny that God's promise also is for homosexuals, why shouldn't God's promise be denied for you, too?

August 1, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.
joneses said...

Obama urging defense contractors ‘to disobey the law’ by not warning of layoffs Published: 12:07 AM 08/01/2012 By Melissa Quinn

On Monday, the Department of Labor sent a letter to all state workforce agencies, administrators and liaisons, hoping to deter defense contractors from notifying employees of diminishing government funding, and urging them to forget about telling employees about the potential for massive layoffs “right before Election Day.”

As lawmakers on Capitol Hill work to deliver a solution to a looming deadline that could “sequester” billions from the defense budget, the Obama administration is advising defense contractors to forget about the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act – ensuring employers that the standards in the law need not apply to them.

“Such federal announcements would be sudden and dramatic, and in such cases, consistent with the WARN Act, employers would not have to provide the full period of notice,” the letter stated.

While defense contractors and GOP lawmakers have been probing the White House for guidance on the sequestration, the Department of Labor’s only suggestion is to delay notification until after the November 6 election.

Members of both the House and Senate along both party lines are working to avoid more than $1 trillion in defense cuts, yet the Obama administration has yet to offer a solution to either the Department of Defense and defense contractors.

Under the Budget Control Act passed by Congress and approved by the President last year, massive mandatory cuts would go into effect on January 2 — jeopardizing the jobs of hundreds of thousands in the defense industry.

Because the Pentagon would be forced to eliminate a substantial chunk of its budget, defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grumman stand to lose funding from the government.

August 1, 2012 at 9:37 p.m.
joneses said...

easypos

I have already made you look like a fool once and I am comfortable with that. I have no need to make you look like the dumb ass you are as you do a pretty good job of that yourself you lazy fat ass.

August 1, 2012 at 9:39 p.m.
alprova said...

Look at your calendar. The first day of the week is Sunday. Sun Day. Does that ring any bells?

The seventh day of the week is Saturday. Have any of you ever questioned the significance of the calendar in relation to the Bible?

The Catholic Church changed the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday in 1582, a fact that the Catholic Church admits to and proof of which is on file in the Vatican Library.

So, if the Catholic Church can change the Biblical day of Sabbath that we are all commanded to keep holy, what else has been changed over the last 400-500 years as well?

And many of you folks trot off to church on Sunday, thinking that that "churches teach you to think" and to believe that you are there on the Sabbath day.

August 1, 2012 at 9:45 p.m.
joneses said...

justonewoman

You said to jack "you always chime in with an opinion of the poster and not the substance." Is that not what you are doing to me? You are a hypocrite.

August 1, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lame, alpo.

August 1, 2012 at 9:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

I'm sure you have. LOL!

I know full well how comfortable you are in your ignorance.

You haven't and cannot make me or anyone here look dumb.

However, you do a bang up job of being an ignorant, bigoted, whiny bitch.

August 1, 2012 at 9:52 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123 yes I have read the Bible.I have read many versions of the Bible.I have even read the Jehovah's Witness version of the Bible.How about you? Have you read any versions of the Bible or do you just spew your hate from ignorance? As a young man searching for my own faith attended many different Christian faiths.Born and raised early as a Baptist,I was unhappy with many of their tenets.I then went out and looked into Presbyterian,Church of God,Church of Christ,and Methodist beliefs among others.I got something from each of them and am currently a non-denominational Christian.I have my own beliefs and sense of morality and will not compromise them for you or anyone else,even though it cost me my life. When someone asks me what religion I am I tell them I am a Christian.If they ask what kind of Christian I answer "the kind that believes in Christ and that He died for me so that I might live."

Ikeithlou...In my opinion THAT is the definition of a Christian .

August 1, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.

Ozzy87, do you think they attended the 1980 or 1984 Olympics explicitly to protest the respective boycotts? Perhaps they played the Springboks to expressly defend South Africa from the pernicious boycott against Apartheid!

For you see, the great sin in this world is the person who dares speak out against oppression and discrimination. That is the true threat to freedom.

joneses, do you or don't you want spending cuts? Oh wait, you don't when they're to your very important defense industry which you need to keep maintaining despite the deficits you continually complain about.

But sorry, you destroyed your credibility with your phantom conspiracy claims. Yeah, I know, just because there's no proof that any of it is going to happen doesn't mean there is anything to disprove it, and that's the problem!

August 1, 2012 at 10 p.m.
joneses said...

easypos

You are the ignorant whiny fat ass bitch and your wife is a whore you pathetic POS. If you and justonebitch had sex it would be like to elephants mating. Yuk! Go eat a box of twinkies you fat ass POS. You know how I know you are a fat POS? Because you do nothing all day and night but post stupid moronic crap on here as this message board is all you have in your miserable pathetic little life. All you do is post on here 24/7/365 and sit on your fat as in your trailer waiting for a handout. Go get a parachute so you can change your diaper on your fat ass.

August 1, 2012 at 10 p.m.

Ah Joneses, thanks for your continuing contributions.

August 1, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.
joneses said...

happywithbeingafool

I do have a way with words, don't I?

August 1, 2012 at 10:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"Have you read any versions of the Bible or do you just spew your hate from ignorance?"

I've read KJV twice through, NIV once, and I'm currently read an ESV. I know for a fact I am much more schooled in Biblical learning than you.

August 1, 2012 at 10:08 p.m.
alprova said...

Joneses, you really need to do just a little research before you post something. The story you posted makes no sense whatsoever on two fronts.

Number one, now that two very expensive wars are winding down to a screeching halt, it makes perfect sense that the flow of money to defense contractors would stop flowing as well. Unless the Republicans can drum up another war or two, some people are going to be idled. Too bad...so sad.

Number two, let me see if I have this correct. The woman writes that "members of both the House and Senate along both party lines are working to avoid more than $1 trillion in defense cuts, yet the Obama administration has yet to offer a solution to either the Department of Defense and defense contractors."

A year ago TODAY, when the Budget Control Act was passed in the House, 174 Republicans voted for the budget cuts. 66 Republicans opposed them. The Democrats were evenly split with 95 for and 95 against the $1 trillion in defense budget cuts.

In the Senate, things were a bit different. 28 Republicans voted in favor of the cuts, and 19 opposed them. Among the Democrats, 45 voted in favor and 6 opposed the defense cuts.

Now that these cuts are about to come to pass, suddenly we are to swallow that notion that the Republicans have had a change of heart and that jobs for defense contractors take a priority over trimming unnecessary spending from the budget?

This kind of wishy washiness on the behalf of Republicans has come to define the entire party as being woefully inconsistent in their resolve and promise to be guardians of the taxpayers.

Then for this woman who wrote this piece of dishonest trash to blame the President for "not offering any solutions" for these imminent Defense Department cuts is ludicrous, to say the least.

Last year, it was the Republicans leading the charge to cut wasteful spending. This year, it's all the fault of the President and the Democrats for trimming spending that have padded the pockets of war profiteers over the past decade, now that these two very expensive wars are drawing to an end.

Joneses, I'm hardly surprised that you would post this kind of tripe, for anything anti-Obama is what you are all about. What does surprise me is that for some reason, you fail at every turn to use that brain upstairs to think for yourself and to check out the facts to a thing you post.

August 1, 2012 at 10:25 p.m.
joneses said...

happywithbeingafool

The point the article is making is once again Hussein Obama is asking someone to break the law and expects these defense contractors to put themselves in a position to be sued by the laid off employees for his own political gain. This is more proof what a narcissist Hussein Obama actually is Pay attention.

"Obama urging defense contractors ‘to disobey the law’ by not warning of layoffs"

Am I for a strong defense and for our government to be committed to America's national security? You bet I am and we all should be for this. But the biggest threat we face as a nation is the Hussein Obama regime and people like you that continue to support him and are afraid to hold him accountable even though he has lied to you on numerous occasions.

August 1, 2012 at 10:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

The biggest threat this country faces is ignorance and you are the poster child.

August 1, 2012 at 10:32 p.m.
joneses said...

alprova

You as well missed the point of the article.

The point the article is making is once again Hussein Obama is asking someone to break the law and expects these defense contractors to put themselves in a position to be sued by the laid off employees for his own political gain. This is more proof what a narcissist Hussein Obama actually is Pay attention.

"Obama urging defense contractors ‘to disobey the law’ by not warning of layoffs"

August 1, 2012 at 10:32 p.m.
joneses said...

Al, happy,

The reason Hussein Obama is so concerned and expects these defense contractors to break the law is that 60 days prior to December 31 is November 2nd which is the Friday before election day. Hussein Obama wants these defense contractors to break the law and not give the 60 day notice because these employees will be pissed at Hussein Obama for cutting their jobs and that will cost Hussein hundreds of thousands of votes. Hussein Obama actually thinks that these defense contractors whose contracts come to an end the end of 2012 will expose themselves to law suits for Hussein's sake. Hussein is that mesmerized by himself and is that much of a narcissist.

August 1, 2012 at 10:39 p.m.

Easy123: joneses is an annoyance, not a threat. His fabricated hysteria is so preposterous that he's discredited himself completely.

Not that he cares about that, he's just a shill discrediting the right-wing agenda anyway. These manufactured stories serve their purpose of making him and by extension everybody he purports to associate with look bad.

The only question is...why does Rupert Murdoch hate America so much?

August 1, 2012 at 10:40 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

You love those straw men.

August 1, 2012 at 10:42 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123...you know nothing of me.How do you know "for a fact" that you are more schooled in the Bible than me? You have read the KJV only Twice? I had read it at least five times by the time I was 18.Have you read the New World translation? It's what the J.W.'s go by.Are you a Biblical scholar? Did you attend a Religious school? Did you know that if you read the Bible for only ten to fifteen minutes a day that you can finish it in a year?

Even though you seem to want to attack me after every post I make I am only giving MY OPINION. I thought that was what this was,an OPINION site. When I first began to visit this site there were several people here who would actually have an honest discourse without all the crap and rhetoric.Unfortunately the only one of those left is Harp3339.Most of the rest of you are merely agents of your political parties and don't want true discourse.You do know that you can disagree with someone without calling them names or attempting to ridicule them don't you?I feel I must apologize for the spew your hate from ignorance remark you MAY not be ignorant,I don't know you,but you do spew hate.

August 1, 2012 at 10:42 p.m.
joneses said...

easypos

The biggest threat this country faces is fat ass diaper wearing people like you who consume much more than they produce. The only thing you produce is the crap from all the twinkies you eat.

August 1, 2012 at 10:45 p.m.

tderng, if you want to engage in honest discourse, the trick is to engage in it yourself.

For example, I remember when you edited part of what I said out of a quote. Then you added a period.

That's not honest you know.

Nor was your misrepresentation about a survey of doctors, purporting that they were considering quitting because of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, when they weren't saying any such thing.

But I guess repeating misleading and deceptive statements isn't a problem for you?

August 1, 2012 at 10:46 p.m.
joneses said...

happy,

What part of my comment was wrong? Are these defense contractors going to lay off 100s of thousands of workers because of the cuts in defense by the end of this year? Yes. Did Hussein Obama ask them to break the law by not abiding by the Warn Act? Yes. What did I say that was wrong? Come on happywithbeingafool show me some proof. Do you want me to post an article by Huffington Post saying the same thing? I will.

August 1, 2012 at 10:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"How do you know "for a fact" that you are more schooled in the Bible than me?"

Because the only way you could be more schooled in the book than me is if you went to seminary or are a pastor. I'm assuming you are neither.

"You have read the KJV only Twice?"

Twice was one too many. It's a terrible translation.

"Are you a Biblical scholar?"

Not a scholar, well-versed is a better adjective.

"Did you attend a Religious school?"

Yes.

"Did you know that if you read the Bible for only ten to fifteen minutes a day that you can finish it in a year?"

It's easier to read in chunks.

I didn't attack you. And I haven't spewed any hate. I think you are offended that I said I was more schooled in the Bible than you. And I still hold to that claim.

Stop trying to act to virtuous. You have the same political agenda as all the Right-wing conservatives here. Why do you crybabies always play the victim when the pressure rises?

August 1, 2012 at 10:53 p.m.

Sorry joneses, but everybody knows that these cuts were going to happen. We knew when they were proposed. It was part of the agreement. Republicans have sworn up and down that we need to get spending under control. Defense is part of spending. Trying to repudiate it with false claims of ow it's some secret conspiracy or dire threat to America, well, as usual, you're crying wolf.

August 1, 2012 at 10:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

"The biggest threat this country faces is fat ass diaper wearing people like you who consume much more than they produce. The only thing you produce is the crap from all the twinkies you eat."

You really have no idea how stupid you sound, do you?

August 1, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.
joneses said...

EasyPOS

I realize how factual I sound when I refer to you.

August 1, 2012 at 10:57 p.m.

Negative 1000%?

August 1, 2012 at 10:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

No seriously, it's pitiful how oblivious you are of your own stupidity.

August 1, 2012 at 11 p.m.
joneses said...

easypos

No seriously, it's pitiful how oblivious you are of your own stupidity.

August 1, 2012 at 11:02 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy123: In your boring explanation of your bona fides, you neglected to include your 2 semesters at St. Elmo Community College. (nights) You, little one, are a pompous ass.

August 1, 2012 at 11:07 p.m.
joneses said...

Happy

You are really that dense to not see that the article I posted was to show how Hussein Obama is asking defense contractors to break the law and violate the WARN Act for the sole purpose of keeping him in the White House aren't you? When you have no argument to support Hussein Obama you attack with verbal insults the same as I do. So with this in mind you, easyPOS and justonebitch are no better than I. Admit it.

August 1, 2012 at 11:17 p.m.
tderng said...

Happy...The misquote you reference was an honest mistake...terribly sorry I added a damn period. Merely trying to to have correct grammar as that was the part of your post I disagreed with. As for the doctors CONSIDERING leaving the profession,I didn't take the poll nor did I write the article.I merely posted the link.

easy123... I agree the KJV is a terrible translation,they all are...but that's what I had to work with growing up.They are all someones version of the Word of God. That's why I am not affiliated with a specific group. I could care less if you believe you are more schooled than me I don't claim to be a scholar,only a believer.

It probably would suprise you to know that I'm not as far right as you think I am.I am mostly conservative in my politics but have no problem helping those in need,just not for their entire life.I would not want my daughter to have an abortion but would defend her right to do so. I am not the one who has to justify it later. I will not have to go through the guilt and remorse for the rest of my life as so many women do.I DO believe that a nation does have the moral imperative to take care of those who can't take care of themselves,but not the ones who won't take care of themselves.Gays? I have them in my family and still love them although I totally disagree with their lifestyle.I do still have that right,don't I? to disagree with their lifestyle?

There are even things in the A.C.A. that I agree with(gasp,did I just say that),but not all of or even most of it.My biggest problem is with how it was carried out and passed so "we could find out what was in it".

August 1, 2012 at 11:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

*"alprova said... "I haven't seen fit to patronize them again because those 'chikin' sandwiches weren't all that special."

I finally found something I can agree with alprova on. These are dangerous days, Bennett yesterday, alprova today?

Who cares what the guy from chickfila thinks. Really people. Get a life.

August 1, 2012 at 11:39 p.m.
alprova said...

Joneses wrote: "alprova, You as well missed the point of the article."

No I didn't. The article is pure unadulterated bunk and it appears on only seven websites, none of which have a shred of credibility, and this article is proof that they still have no credibility.

"The point the article is making is once again Hussein Obama is asking someone to break the law and expects these defense contractors to put themselves in a position to be sued by the laid off employees for his own political gain."

You're buying into their B.S., plain and simple. The President has not asked a soul to put off a thing until after the election. Neither has the Department of Labor.

Here is a copy of the letter sent to defense contractors;

http://wdr.doleta.gov/directives/attach/TEGL/TEGL_3a_12.pdf

See if you can find one mention anywhere in that letter asking anyone to dismiss WARN notifications until after the election, as Melissa Quinn alleges. It does not exist.

What you will read is that the DOL advises defense contractors to not announce any layoffs due to the fact that no decision has been made to not renew any or all defense contracts, and that both the Administration and Congress are currently working for a resolution to avoid massive defense contractor job layoffs.

In other words, it is premature for any defense contractor to layoff one worker because no interruption of money has been announced or is for certain.

"This is more proof what a narcissist Hussein Obama actually is Pay attention."

Again, you truly need to read and to investigate things before you take a stance on them, to verify that they are true and correct. This one is as bad as it gets. You've been duped to the gills.

""Obama urging defense contractors ‘to disobey the law’ by not warning of layoffs""

He's done no such thing, and you should know it.

Not one defense contractor in this nation has been notified that their contracts have been killed. It would be a senseless act to prematurely announce any layoffs of so much as one worker, until the Defense Department voids any contract.

August 1, 2012 at 11:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll and Joneses,

You two would make a great gay couple. Jack might kick the bucket soon though, so you better hurry, Joneses.

August 1, 2012 at 11:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"I could care less if you believe you are more schooled than me I don't claim to be a scholar,only a believer."

This sounds a lot like you claiming to be a scholar:

"I have read the Bible.I have read many versions of the Bible.I have even read the Jehovah's Witness version of the Bible.How about you? Have you read any versions of the Bible or do you just spew your hate from ignorance?"

Why are you backing down now? All the big talk didn't work out for you did it?

August 1, 2012 at 11:53 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

tderng,

the question was directed at conservative, who for several years has taken it upon himself to declare who is and who is not a real christian, without defining what a real christian is.

August 2, 2012 at 12:37 a.m.
joneses said...

easypos

You make a great pedophile. You fat ass should be arrested.

August 2, 2012 at 6:35 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

Your ignorance abounds. LMAO! You are so easy to entice. All I have to do is address a post to you, then you do the rest of the work! Keep it up, dumbass.

August 2, 2012 at 8:28 a.m.
shen said...

Both myself and many others I've spoken with will just be happy when real Christians take a stand and take back their religion from these hateful imposters. We agree, we've never witnessed so much hatred then at the end of their rants and tirades they claim I'm a Christian! Are they really representing the beliefs and teachings of Jesus Christ or Satan?*

August 2, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

happywithnewbulbs

Please don't make assumptions because someone pointed to a certain day of the week. I didn't mention anything about going to church or endorsing a flavor of religion simply because I am not a believer. I do believe that everything coming to a halt one day a week is and certainly was a great break from the rat race we call life. I don't care what day it happens but I am not opposed to it being Sunday. If some people care to attend church and pray while I enjoy my stress free Sunday as I please I think that is fantastic. Now what is so hard to understand about that.

August 2, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.

whatsthefuss: What assumptions? I didn't say anything about you endorsing anything yourself. I asked what you would feel if they did attempt order it into law, solely for their religious reasons. While you may believe taking a day to rest is desirable, would you do it under the force of law, and under religious customs, with no acceptance of allowing others to do things another day?

I surely wouldn't.
tderng, it's too late to say mea culpa for misquoting me when at the time you vociferously protested that it was my fault for bringing it up. Now you have to retract not only that, but your own subsequent conduct. And I don't recall any particularly important dispute over grammar at the time, my problem was always with how you distorted the meaning of my words. That isn't a problem with grammar. That's a problem with fraud.

And I'm quite aware you didn't conduct the poll, or even bother to read it, you just posted the link, falsely claiming it said something it didn't.

Either you were willfully deceptive or you were willfully ignorant and didn't bother to look into it because it was validating what you already believed. You lose no matter how it plays out.

Sorry, but you're not any better at honest discussion than anybody else.

August 2, 2012 at 4:12 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

happywithnewbulbs

Sorry to hear only new bulbs bring you any form of happiness.

How is the nice man from CFA trying to influence any government officials to mandate his holy day as a holy day for everyone? I know there have been a Sunday or three where I had a hankering for CFA and their Polynesian Sauce. Can you imagine my disappointment to find their doors closed?

And speaking of Polynesian Sauce, no your suggestion does not compare to their delicious sauce. Kens also makes a "Country French" dressing that comes close but once again "No Cigar." and no I do not smoke so please don't start a fight over another simple mention of a phrase.

If it pleases you, don't go to CFA tomorrow and I am certain the nice man will have to close his well established business because of the loss of your patronage. As for me I am going to cross the picket line tomorrow and see if Fag Free Friday CFA tastes any different than when I am sitting next to a butch Lesbian and her lipstick lover as they lap up some of that delicious Polynesian Sauce. You see, as with many things people can agree that something is enjoyable regardless of their sexual orientation. OK, maybe not you but, "SOME PEOPLE.!

August 2, 2012 at 7:30 p.m.
rolando said...

Speaking of intolerance, Liberals of Bennett's ilk are intolerant of intolerance.

"Tolerance: In a free, open, and pluralistic society, there are all sorts of behaviors that we may have to tolerate, even though we don't approve of those activities. Liberals don't get this distinction. For one thing, they don't understand the difference between tolerance and acceptance. They also don't extend any of the tolerance they're agitating for to people who disagree with them. Liberals silence people who disagree with them at every opportunity which is, dare we say it, an extremely intolerant way to behave."

"It isn’t so much that liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so." -- Ronald Reagan

August 3, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.

whatsthefuss, I didn't say he was, that was the point of making it a hypothetical example, and expressing the difference between doing something just for yourself and changing the laws.

Which he IS doing in attempting to influence OTHER laws, namely for those of marriage, to comply with his agenda. He's admitted the donations he has made to lobbying groups and the purpose. To have the laws enforce his will.

Maybe instead of making up ways to disparage me, you ought to pay attention to the facts here. I don't care about CFA's business.

I do care when they seek to influence the law to enforce their discrimination and intolerance. Don't I have the right to care, or should I just remain silence because you're going to argue that it's oppressive to resist somebody?

I guess so. Keep pushing that line of BS.

rolando, ah, keep trying to present the sophistry that somehow being intolerant of your actual bigotry is the real offense.

Somebody might be brainless enough to believe you.

August 3, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
rolando said...

Only Liberals are brainless, bulb. They prove it every day -- just as you do -- by following DNC/WH direction.

August 3, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.

Sorry dude, I'm not getting marching orders from there.

I begin to suspect you are though, as part of a MASSIVE conspiracy to make Republicans look bad.

Keep trying, you might achieve joneses level one day.

August 4, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
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