published Saturday, August 4th, 2012

Chick-fil-A

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Jack_Dennis said...

boycott lefwing kartoon Rtists

August 4, 2012 at 12:16 a.m.
sbm362 said...

Their uh takin' ur jobs and God outta thu jobs, and schools, and government.

Lord help us when the left-wingers and communist and homersexuals come crawlin' in.

August 4, 2012 at 12:24 a.m.
sbm362 said...

Damn libs.

August 4, 2012 at 12:30 a.m.

I predict a repeat of the earlier discussion which ignored how the intent was to change the laws to suit their agenda.

Can anybody explain why we who oppose the actions of Chik-fil-a in influencing the law are unable to criticize that but must be compelled to be silent in the name of some warped concept of tolerance?

Or did the right-wing define tolerance as being a doormat for whatever they want to impose on the rest of us in their blind confusion over how not being allowed to persecute and discriminate against others in a manner that is prejudiced and bigoted?

After all, they do feel much aggrieved that they aren't allowed to oppress others and seem to want us to believe the bullies are the victims.

August 4, 2012 at 12:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

I will be glad when the short memory of Americans takes effect regarding this ridiculous issue. The man had the nerve to express his opinion. He should be able to do that and contribute money to whatever cause he selects just like those do that don't agree with him. I doubt he cares if a gay never buys a Chick-Fil-A product but I doubt the server would know they were gay unless they were behaving like an idiot in public. Some heterosexual couples are sickening the way they act in public also.

August 4, 2012 at 12:56 a.m.
sbm362 said...
<p>@harp3339...I agree.

I can't say that I like/agree with what he said or believes or who he donates his money to, but it is definitely within his rights to do so.

I might be willing to overlook most of his transgressions if they'd open the doors on Sunday.

August 4, 2012 at 1:04 a.m.

And we don't have the right to say we disagree? That we think he is the one doing wrong? He didn't just say he couldn't like it, but declared it to be anathema, something that was offensive to God and would destroy our nation.

Because that's what has really come up. This isn't minor stuff, but serious disapproval to the point of invoking divine wrath.

Stop making excuses for him. That's the kind of thing that is really trying to give free reign to real tyrants.

August 4, 2012 at 1:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

hwtnb said.....

And we don't have the right to say we disagree?

This isn't minor stuff, but serious disapproval to the point of invoking divine wrath.

Of course anyone has a right to disagree and/or not buy the product and to contribute to causes opposing the view. Freedom of the press and free speech are two of the most critical freedoms Americans have that should not be infringed upon in any way. Some politicians and a few that have strong disagreements appear ready to compromise.

I seriously doubt the Chick-Fil-A CEO can bring about or accurately predict divine wrath. We may be in deep trouble if anyone can do that. He has the opinion it will happen but that doesn't mean it will.

August 4, 2012 at 5:07 a.m.
joneses said...

At a Tennessee High School Football Game………. This is a statement that was read over the PA system at the football game at Roane County High School, Kingston, Tennessee by school Principal, Jody McLeod on September 1, 2000. “It has always been the custom at Roane County High School football games, to say a prayer and play the National Anthem, to honor God and Country.” Due to a recent ruling by the Supreme Court, I am told that saying a prayer is a violation of Federal Case Law. As I understand the law at this time, I can use this public facility to approve of sexual perversion and call it “an alternate life style,” and if someone is offended, that’s OK. I can use it to condone sexual promiscuity, by dispensing condoms and calling it, “safe sex.” If someone is offended, that’s OK. I can even use this public facility to present the merits of killing an unborn baby as a “viable! means of birth control.” If someone is offended, no problem… I can designate a school day as “Earth Day” and involve students in activities to worship religiously and praise the goddess “Mother Earth” and call it “ecology.” I can use literature, videos and presentations in the classroom that depicts people with strong, traditional Christian convictions as “simple minded” and “ignorant” and call it “enlightenment.”

August 4, 2012 at 5:55 a.m.
joneses said...

However, if anyone uses this facility to honor GOD and to ask Him to Bless this event with safety and good sportsmanship, then Federal Case Law is violated. This appears to be inconsistent at best, and at worst, diabolical. Apparently, we are to be tolerant of everything and anyone, except GOD and His Commandments. Nevertheless, as a school principal, I frequently ask staff and students to abide by rules with which they do not necessarily agree. For me to do otherwise would be inconsistent at best, and at worst, hypocritical… I suffer from that affliction enough unintentionally. I certainly do not need to add an intentional transgression. For this reason, I shall “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s,” and refrain from praying at this time. “However, if you feel inspired to honor, praise and thank GOD and ask Him, in the name of Jesus, to Bless this event, please feel free to do so. As far as I know, that’s not against the law… yet.” One by one, the people in the stands bowed their heads, held hands with one another and began to pray. They prayed in the stands.. They prayed in the team huddles. They prayed at the concession stand and they prayed in the Announcer’s Box! The only place they didn’t pray was in the Supreme Court of the United States of America— the Seat of “Justice” in the “one nation, under GOD.” Somehow,

August 4, 2012 at 5:55 a.m.
Reardon said...

YAWN..........

August 4, 2012 at 6:04 a.m.
Livn4life said...

I believe I hear the winds of heterophobia blowing all across this nation. Anyone who intimates Mr. Cathy has no right to express his beliefs, even the audacity to state it is the position of his company, is insane. Anyone who disagrees with him is free to express his/her disagreement provided it is done with respect.That individual is also free to not support that business. The problem came when this went viral and became an open attack on Chik-fil-A. That was way over the edge. And Happy, it was the left who has coined that word tolerant out the wazoo yet it is also the left who shows so little true tolerance to positions juxtaposing its own. In the end, once more, we see a divided nation which seems to look for more ways to "go at" one another. I wince to think where this all may eventually lead. And for heaven's(or whatever you believe in)sake, politics will never be the answer.

August 4, 2012 at 6:12 a.m.
joneses said...

Headline today: Will the US Really Experience a Violent Upheaval in 2020?

As long as Hussein Obama continues to divide this country with his hate speech we will see more violence. It falls in line with his agenda to destroy America. America has never been this divided under any president ever. Hussein Obama lacks the leadership capabilities to be president.

August 4, 2012 at 6:29 a.m.
EaTn said...

The latter "kiss-in" folks didn't buy much chicken because the former "gullible" folks ate about everything except the left wings.

August 4, 2012 at 6:51 a.m.
joneses said...

The truth about presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

http://whyromney.com/

August 4, 2012 at 6:54 a.m.
cactus said...

Why didn't everybody get their panties in a wad when President Obama was opposed to gay marriage six months ago?

August 4, 2012 at 6:59 a.m.
d2edwards said...

I view the Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day as an elaborate publicity stunt. I am also discouraged that so many Americans were so easily manipulated by Mike Huckabee to support the establishment because Dan Cathy, the mayor of Boston, and many others exercised their rights to speak freely. Chick-fil-A made a lot of money because a con artist convinced his brainwashed audience to incite others to eat more chicken. (Happy belated birthday $ Truet Cathy!) Were other American businesses less deserving of such a windfall?

August 4, 2012 at 8:42 a.m.
fairmon said...

Get governments out of the marriage business plus stop all discrimination against those opting to be single and there will be no issue.

August 4, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Livn4life: 5 stars!

August 4, 2012 at 9:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Is Easy123 back from the Kiss-In yet?

August 4, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
mymy said...

Go to youtube and watch some of the gay parades. Then ask yourself: does this help their cause. I think not.

August 4, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Go to youtube and watch some of the gay parades. Then ask yourself: does this help their cause. I think not.

I agree. Just like Phelp's group does damage to mainstream Christianity. But hey, it's a free country.

August 4, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lu: a fair point

August 4, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.

Harp3339, then why are we being told to shut up by so many people, such as the ones here? Have you not noticed the opposition to the criticism, presenting the critics as the ones who must be silent, who cannot speak up? Why do you ignore the counteroffensive in your posts?

Why don't you speak up to truly protect free speech? Why do you ignore the actual threat being presented by the defenders of Dan Cathy? Have you called for the fallacious argument that not toleranting his intolerance is the real bigotry?

And the point of explaining his exact words is to point out their fervantcy. Somebody who says they don't like something is one thing. A person who believes that something is a threat to the nation is another. And they are the threat to the nation.

Livn4life, despite your claims, the left you so despise is not so foolish as to be caught in your trap of absolutes. The concept of tolerance is far more nuanced than your feigned protests will ever recognize. Sorry, but we don't have to tolerate intolerance in silence. I know you'd rather claim the other side are the hypocrites than admit bigotry is an issue, but you know what?

Nobody is actually fooled by that. We've had decades of racists complaining that their freedom to discriminate is so very important. Yet who have they persuaded? Nobody.

Why do you think your sophistry would be any better? And if you want to stop the vicious cycle, start speaking out, not against those you oppose, but those angry mud throwers who stand on your side.

Plenty of opportunity here. Speak out. Or fall into the rhetorical trap where the only people you try to silence are the ones seeking tolerance, not those espousing intolerance.

Cactus, well for one thing, President Obama wasn't proclaiming God's wrath upon the nation. He said much more neutral things, to the point where calling his position opposition is stretching it.

Notice how he changed his mind. Dan Cathy is not as open to persuasion, his own words reflect a dogmatic opposition.

August 4, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Read Bubous, then read no more. He has it all figured out.

August 4, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
mymy said...

94 Days to Go!

August 4, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
SICKofBS said...

"mymy said...Go to youtube and watch some of the gay parades. Then ask yourself: does this help their cause. I think not."

You are exactly right. And I am saying this as a gay man. But keep in mind, those videos represent only a portion of the gay community. I have often said that the news coverage of gay pride events focus mostly on the absurd stuff that goes on, but not on the average Joe/Jane that lives their life with quiet respect, working mundane jobs and leading mundane lives. It's just like way back a few decades ago how the media outlets wanted to portray all motorcycle riders and being some type of Hells Angels roughneck. Not the everyday person that just enjoyed riding them, breaking no laws and living an otherwise ordinary life. If we wanted to take a small portion of peoples actions and label the whole group as such, then that would mean we would have to label all Baptists as being just like Fred Phelps family, just because he calls his church a Baptist church. When in reality, we all know that he does not represent all Baptists. And as far as Mr. Cathy, it's not so much of what he said about gays and lesbians, it's his actions of making monetary contributions not just from his own pocket, but from the corporate coffers as well, to contribute to groups that would have homosexuality be made criminal. Some of the groups he has contributed to just stop short of saying, but allude to, that they would see homosexuals persecuted just for being gay. Now why should I be persecuted for something I can't help? (Trust me I hate to do this) but to quote Lady Gaga, I WAS born this way. I did not choose to be gay. In fact I fought it and refused to acknowledge it for many years. It was when I finally conceded that I could not change who I am, and accepted being gay, that I finally found peace within myself. Until that point, I hated and loathed the feelings I had and would have given anything to not have them. But my being gay does not mean I am a dress wearing, flaming sissy. On the contrary. When most people who have known me for any length of time finds out that I am gay, they are quite surprised. Because I don't fit the "stereotype" that many people have about us. But those of us who are like me have little representation in the media and hollywood. Instead they go for the outrageous and absurd. All for shock value and ratings.

August 4, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.

For some reason the news media hardly cares about covering the mundane. They almost never report on the millions of cars that make it to their destinations OK, the banks that aren't robbed, the people not suffering from disease, they never get covered.

But the people who detest gay pride events would do so regardless.

And if you want to see some scary Christian pride events, try the effigy burning pastor in Florida.

August 4, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

SickofBS: Thoughtful post.

August 4, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
mymy said...

Jack_Dennis said...

SickofBS: Thoughtful post.

Agree.

The outrageous may get attention, but not good attention.

This goes for a lot of subjects all of which divide the country more.

94 Days to Go: The current Conquer and Divide Destroy Our Country Administration must go. We will not survive with current direct being taken. The ship will sink with everybody in it not just one side or the other.

Then We the People need to get rid of a lot of long time Congress members. We need people who think of the country first not political gamesmanship for power and ego. Country First!

August 4, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/10/13/reagan-recovery-vs-obama-recovery-in-pictures/

The Obama "recovery" compared to Reagan's recovery is pitiful at best. And Obama says,"we can't go back to that".

August 4, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

The two recessions were very different. We cannot solve our current problem with Reaganomics. It you knew anything about economics and the difference between the two recessions, it would be very clear.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/06/news/economy/obama_reagan_recovery/index.htm

The current recovery is steadily gaining ground whether you believe it or not.

August 4, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I wouldn't be surprised if the godfather Rahm sues Chic-Fil-A for advertising fees. It's a funny thing that the godfather Rahm was working for Obama when Obama was still against gay marriage. Yet he didn't seem to care about it then. I wonder why?

On a side note, Obama plays his 104th round of golf during his brief reign. 26 rounds a year while the people suffer seems out of touch to me.

August 4, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.

Easy123, Reagan's solution is perfect. Take government money and spend more of it, go deeply into debt and forget the consequences!

The only problem the Republicans have is that Obama doesn't want us to have a 700 ship Navy.

mymy, you're going to be sad then, I'm hearing that 80% of Congress is expected to be re-elected. (Note this is factoring out retirements and redistricting)

August 4, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy123 did a Wiki on economics. Now he's an expert. Maybe Rahm Emmanuel will get the dem nod for pres. in '16. Seems like presidential timber to me. 104 rounds of golf? Seems utterly 1%ish to me.

August 4, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"On a side note, Obama plays his 104th round of golf during his brief reign. 26 rounds a year while the people suffer seems out of touch to me."

You're reaching. The fact that the President plays golf is totally insignificant. I guess he is supposed to sit in the White House and meditate instead, correct?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/06/18/155279361/obamas-played-100-rounds-of-golf-which-presidents-beat-that

August 4, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

"Easy123 did a Wiki on economics. Now he's an expert."

I minored in economics. But good try.

"104 rounds of golf? Seems utterly 1%ish to me."

As opposed to going to the Olympics to see your horse perform in Equestrian events? Seems utterly 0.01%-ish to me.

August 4, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Easy123, Reagan's solution is perfect. Take government money and spend more of it, go deeply into debt and forget the consequences"!

Bulbs just explained Obama. Who's putting us in debt now? Who's taking "government" money and spending more of it now?

And please state your un-biased reliable sources that whisper in your ear that 80% of congress will be re-elected. Are you a psychic now too? Mama must be so proud.

August 4, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy minored in Economics. At St. Elmo Community College. (nights)

August 4, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

No, I never attended that fictitious college. Even if I did, it would give me exponentially more education than you have obviously received.

But if you would like to keep insulting community colleges, their alumni, the community of St. Elmo, and/or people that go to night school, go right ahead. It will only serve to discredit you more and add to your legendary troll status.

You need a better joke book.

August 4, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Ann Romney isn't at the helm of a struggling economy.

Your genuflection to Moochelle and Barack is astounding.

You must have minored the same economics class Obama did. Neither one of you have a clue.

August 4, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
degage said...

Easy minored in Obama economics. He majored in BS.

August 4, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
mymy said...

A minor in Economics(ha): Taught by Progressive teachers/professors-so what do you expect him to learn?

August 4, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Are your grades sealed as well?

August 4, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

And? Obama isn't at "the helm of the economic struggle" everyday. He has free time. :-)

Your ignorance has been duly noted on more than one occasion.

No, YOU haven't a clue. You truly don't know what you are talking about. This isn't the 1980's. The two recessions are completely different. You can't solve this one with Reaganomics or supply-side economics or voodoo economics. Do you understand?

August 4, 2012 at 1:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

What's your degree in? :-)

mymy,

The old Rick Santorum "indoctrination" line, eh? Only a fool vilifies education or the accruement of knowledge.

JackTroll,

Everyone that goes to college has sealed grades. Only the student has legal permission to obtain his/her transcripts. So, yes.

August 4, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

So according to Obamanomics, blowing through $5 trillion in three years is the way to go? $12 trillion more by the end of his much hoped for second term. Please tell us oh great wise one how THAT works!

If you have a clue, you sure hide it pretty damn well! Do you understand? Indoctrination hasn't been kind to you at all.

August 4, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Yeah, and Obama's "jobs council" seems to have a lot of "free time" as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/obama-jobs-council-outsourcing_n_1666443.html

August 4, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

It has been my experience, Easy, that Econ majors are much like Psych majors...weird and useless.

August 4, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

What was it that Dick Cheney said? "Deficits don't matter."

It does work. It has worked. However, It is working slowly. We are recovering. The European debt crisis isn't helping any but the economy is improving, albeit sluggishly.

Again, you haven't a clue. You truly don't know what you are talking about. This isn't the 1980's. The two recessions are completely different. You can't solve this one with Reaganomics or supply-side economics or voodoo economics. Do you understand?

"Yeah, and Obama's "jobs council" seems to have a lot of "free time" as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/obama-jobs-council-outsourcing_n_1666443.html"

I thought Huffington Post wasn't a reliable source? LMAO!

August 4, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

"It has been my experience, Easy, that Econ majors are much like Psych majors...weird and useless."

It's been my experience that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. But, I'm not an Economics major or a Psychology major. And I'm sure any Economics or Psychology major you have met (which I doubt completely) had similar sentiments about you.

August 4, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.
joneses said...

Why do you hypocritical liberals continue to avoid talking about Hussein Obama’s $16,000,000,000,000.00 debt with no end in sight, no budget for his entire term, highest unemployment ever for any president , more people on welfare than any president ever, highest gas prices in history just like the deficit, obamacare, failed stimulus package, weak and failing foreign policies, a ridiculous energy policy, committing more troops into afghanistan, the ndaa, spending multi millions of tax dollars for personal use, attacking the catholic church, dividing race, gender, religion & wealthy people with all his hate speech, bowing to our enemies and giving them billions of our tax dollars while stabbing our allies in their backs , his illegal libyan war, the muslim brotherhood in the white house, keeping Gitmo opened, threatening and disrespecting the supreme court, disrespecting not upholding our constitution, disrespecting our veterans, appointing communist radical czars, spending almost $1,000,000.00 to hide his college records and past, a fake birth certificate, his father being a communist, his twisted and sordid upbringing, his indonesian muslim transgender prostitute nanny, his communist grand parents and life long friends, his denied muslim faith, his racist church of 20 years, the new black panthers, his association with known weather underground admitted communist Bill Ayers, his wife’s hatred of our flag and shame for this country, his arrogance and hypocrisy. Bennett’s cartoons are not close to a bigger joke than Barry Soetoro aka Hussien Obama’s. What is really pathetic and disgusting is you liberals are proud of this fool of a president’s failures. And you stupid liberals/dummycrats think gay sex and religion are the top issues facing America. Enough talk about abortion. The president has not the power to make it legal or illegal. IT IS THE ECONOMY YOU STUPID LIBERALS!

August 4, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
joneses said...

The dummycrat/liberal/socialist party is the actual party of hate. They hate profits, corporations, success, wealthy people, oil, oil companies, banks, blacks, women, Wall Street, of course they do not mind taking money from Wall Street, people with differing opinions, Israel, letting babies have a chance at life, guns, physical contact sports, Christians, The Bible, the middle class, self reliance, individualism, hard work, stuff they have to pay for, pickup trucks, facts, The Ten Commandments, private schools, freedom, less federal government intrusion, lower taxes, people that do not depend on the government, closed borders, the military, the American soldier, hunting, the ability to defend yourself, The Catholic Church, freedom of choice, and many other things that are healthy for America.

August 4, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

It wasn't too terribly long ago that Christians were using the Bible, quoting various verses, to support their views that slavery was sanctioned by God and that women were inferior to men and deserved second-class status. The passing of time eventually forced them to accept what was already obvious to the majority of people in an evolving society: that people of color and women were as deserving as white men were of respect and equal treatment under the law. Today the Christians (bless their self-righteous little souls) are still clinging to ancient, obscure verses in their "Holy Book" to justify their hard-line stance against fully equal rights for gays, on the basis that gays "choose" their lifestyle and are not born into it. It is obvious to anyone who actually opens their eyes and minds that gays do not merely choose homosexuality but are genetically predisposed to it (in other words, "God" made them that way). It will take a little more time, it seems, but Christians and conservatives will once again be shown to be on the wrong side of history, as it becomes increasingly clear that homosexuality is no more a sin than heterosexuality. It simply is what it is - part of the mysterious, complex, and diverse tapestry of life and nature.

In the meantime you puffed-up supporters of Cathy who endorse and share his bigoted, self-righteous views are calling us who call him out for his bigotry the ones being “intolerant?” That's rich. Then, in looking back on the pages of history, do you also deem "intolerant" those who dared to protest against the status quo of racism and the subjugation of women? After all, those racists and misogynists were merely good conservative christian folk making a stand on their Biblical principles, weren't they?

August 4, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

You've recycled both of those posts numerous times. All of it is baseless Right-wing propaganda. Everything in both posts is either erroneous, fabricated, completely false or insignificant.

The economy is doing better.

Equal rights should be THE top issue facing any country.

You're still a moron.

August 4, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
mymy said...

Easy said......Equal rights should be THE top issue facing any country.

I'm just speechless!!! When you think you can not make a more stupid statement,-----you do!

August 4, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mymy,

HappyWithNewBulbs said it best yesterday, I would be more scared if you agreed with me.

But, as usual, you discredit yourself with your own words. You have just denigrated the issue of human rights.

August 4, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Please don't embarrass your school by naming it. You're thicker than a keg of nails. Your "logic" is as hollow as rickyroo's head.

August 4, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
joneses said...

Does America Have its first Marxist President?  You bet it does and Here’s the Verification:  9 June 2009 © www.BarackObamaWebPage.com   Founded in 1992, the New Party is a Marxist political coalition whose objective is to endorse and elect leftist public officials - most often Democrats. The New Party’s immediate objective is to turn the Democrat Party hard left, in an attempt to create a new Marxist party. Most New Party members come from the Democratic Socialists of America, the hard left organization ACORN and an assortment of Maoists, Trotskyites, and Communist Party USA members.  It was very active in Chicago, with membership including none other than BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. Since his ascent to prominence, there have been attempts at “scrubbing” New Party references of Obama having been a member or their even having provided support in his early elections.  But thanks to a concerned reader of www.BarackObamaWebPage.com, we have obtained archival material proving that Barack Hussein Obama is the first Marxist Socialist President of the United States. The adoring mainstream press has worked feverishly to cover up Obama's dedication to Marxist ideology going back to his teenage years.

August 4, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

I haven't named my alma mater.

Once again, nothing you say is worth reading. The lack of substance in every single one of your posts is inconceivable. Seriously, it's unbelievable how sophomoric and unlettered ALL of your posts are.

You're a troll. :-)

August 4, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
jesse said...

Trying to stick to the theme of the cartoon, i just think Clay is trying to PUSH a rope! He's a round peg trying to pound square pegs into a round hole!

Needs to find hisself a job in Boston or somewhere! It ain't never gonna fly down here! When you stoop to demeaning you readers then you have stayed too long!

August 4, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

"It has been my experience, Easy, that Econ majors are much like Psych majors...weird and useless."

Excuse please. My spouse has degrees in psych. There is nothing that man can't do. Build and repair things, including machines of all kinds. Write eloquently. Raise good children. And treat his wife with love and respect.

joneses, darling, you pooped on another thread and bolted when asked for evidence to back your claims up. Why should we believe anything you say here?

August 4, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

It flies everyday. And you post on his cartoon EVERYDAY. I'm sure Bennett laughs when he sees the hundred of comments on his cartoons. What editor would fire a cartoonist, of all things, that gets this much readership?

August 4, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.
joneses said...

Why Liberals HATE Christians.

1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth. 2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral. 3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others. 4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe. 5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate. 6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses. 7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it. 8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior. 9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us. 10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses: "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: but he that confesses the Son has the Father also. -1 John 2:22-23

August 4, 2012 at 2:42 p.m.

TOES02800, except you don't like Obama's decision to spend it on things the people need as opposed to feeding the military industrial-complex. Or how Obama isn't giving 110% of the tax cuts to the rich. So we don't get to implement it. Then you complain that nothing gets fixed.

If you want to check out Congressional reelection odds, you can see the polling data. Even Rasmussen has them. Look for competitive races. Or read some election blogs. Or just recognize that job security comes from being in Congress. Reelection rates are very high.

There's somewhat more that will change overall this year due to re-allocation and re-destricting but that won't keep out the incumbents.

Check here:

http://cookpolitical.com/races/house/chart.php

See their competitive listings. It's actually fifty odd races. Hmm, maybe the analysis I read wasn't factoring out retirees.

August 4, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth. 2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral. 3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others. 4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe. 5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate. 6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses. 7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it. 8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior. 9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us. 10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel.

Wrong times 10. Most Christians I know are liberals. Try again.

August 4, 2012 at 2:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

You have recycled those last two posts as well.

I guess the Conservative Propaganda machine hasn't printed much new material lately. Tell Jesus and Mitt to get on that.

August 4, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
joneses said...

Top Liberal Donor to Hussein Obama George Soros Hedge Fund Manager Total Donations $3,777,000.00

August 4, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Is that how you answer when your crap is challenged? Post more?

August 4, 2012 at 2:57 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

Top Romney Donors:

Goldman Sachs $636,080

JPMorgan Chase & Co $502,874

Morgan Stanley $476,300

Bank of America $465,850

Credit Suisse Group $421,310

Citigroup Inc $345,265

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00000286

August 4, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY JACK! in case you haven't noticed ,he gets 150 to 200 posts per day FROM 12 or 14 responders! THAT AIN'T a big deal! IF you been payin attin. you would understand that whats goin on here IS NOT a bunch of deep thinkers havin an exchange of ideas and opinions, BUT a bunch a semi literates havin a slug fest ,mud slingin contest! actually i thought you had picked up on this and were just hangin around havin some fun!i was wrong ,you are on here feedin your ego just like most everybody else on here!!

August 4, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

jesse, you have something to contribute besides your attempt at humor? Perhaps address a specific item? Otherwise, why are you here exactly?

August 4, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

It's pretty significant to get that many comments from any amount of posters.

"BUT a bunch a semi literates havin a slug fest ,mud slingin contest! actually i thought you had picked up on this and were just hangin around havin some fun!"

I suppose you are including yourself in that assessment, correct?

"you are on here feedin your ego just like most everybody else on here!!"

That actually seems like exactly what you are doing with that post.

August 4, 2012 at 3:11 p.m.
joneses said...

Obama’s Early and Continued Infatuation with the Left

Beginning in his teenage years, Obama sought out a black father substitute.  In some way, this would compensate for being deserted by a left wing, Black, Kenyan, womanizing, alcoholic father. Gravitating towards the hard left, he turned to Black radicals who were equally alienated from white society. During his teenage Hawaii years, Obama became close with the poet Frank Marshall Davis, a hard core Communist Party member, hater of America and Christianity.  Davis was one of the many "father figures" the emotionally fragile Obama sought out as a substitute for the father that deserted him. It was Davis who crystallized Barack Hussein Obama's racist, anti-American views.  His motto was "never trust white people." In later years, this mantle would be taken up by Chicago's anti-American racist Preacher Jeremiah Wright.  This father figure/mentor relationship publicly lasted for twenty years, until 2008 when voters were confronted with movies of Wright's racism and anti-American ravings in its vilest form.  Obama publicly pulled away, at least until the Presidential elections were over. But Black or White, Obama always gravitated to people who wanted to remake America into a more collectivist image.  He would reinvent his deceased Marxist father's reputation, by transforming America into the Socialist state he would want.  When Obama claims that he wants to "change America as we know it," he really means what he says.

August 4, 2012 at 3:19 p.m.
joneses said...

Obama has raised more money from Wall Street through the Democratic National Committee and his campaign account than any politician in American history. He has raked in more cash from bank employees, hedge fund managers and financial services companies than all Republican candidates combined.

According to Reuters, Wall Street accounted for 20 percent of the president’s campaign funds because of a massive cash haul from Goldman Sachs, AIG, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America and Citigroup.

But it’s laughable that the same man who feasts with Wall Street fat cats at $38,000-a-plate fundraisers turns around and claims the next day that attacking those same money men will be the basis of his reelection campaign. Obama’s fake outrage is all the more preposterous considering that the White House’s policies have led to record profits on Wall Street during the first two years of the Obama administration. In fact, Wall Street amassed more profits in the first two years of the Obama presidency than all eight of George W. Bush’s combined.

August 4, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
joneses said...

Another Hussein Obama Donor

Bill (Women are Sluts) Maher Total Outside Group Spending: $1,000,000 Recipients: Priorities USA Action ($1,000,000) Total 2012 Spending: $1,010,000 Other Recipients: Midwest Values PAC ($5,000), Al Franken ($5,000)

August 4, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

We get it. joneses. you hate Obama. How about answering to your lies on your previous posts?

August 4, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY EASY!! I AM! when you realize that you either got to DUMB DOWN or quit participating ? Like if this is all you got?make the best of it!@

August 4, 2012 at 3:29 p.m.
joneses said...

ike

I do not hate Hussein Obama I just disagree that he is what is best for this country. I reserve the hating to you liberals. In regards to my earlier post about why liberals hate Christians, you are correct, the fact is most liberals hate Christians as proven on this forum.

August 4, 2012 at 3:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You have proven nothing. Your ten points were all lies. And yes, you hate Obama because a lot of what you post is not true. But that's not the point. Because you lie, you convince no one to vote against him.

August 4, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

"I do not hate Hussein Obama"

False.

"the fact is most liberals hate Christians as proven on this forum."

Again, false.

I'm pretty sure that's your niche though. Lies, misinformation and ignorance.

August 4, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
mymy said...

The Communist. Frank Marshall Davis: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor Paul Kengor, Ph.D.

Interesting interview.

The last question ask:

FP: What do you hope your book will help achieve?

Kengor: Many things, but I’ll list just a few.

First off, I want people to continue to realize that our president is the product of some remarkably radical influences, and here, in Frank Marshall Davis, was arguably the most radical of them all. Davis had an influence on Obama. We need to consider that influence.

Beyond that, I’d like liberals and Democrats to please understand that communists were not their friends. The communists considered liberals to be their useful idiots, their dupes, their “prey,” as Whittaker Chambers put it. They used them incessantly. Davis was one of those who used liberals. And then, after all that, after decades of targeting the Democratic Party, Davis ultimately infiltrated the party and even influenced its current president. It’s a remarkable story.

Finally, there were numerous American communists like Frank Marshall Davis who did horrible agitation on behalf of international communism throughout the 20th century. They were on the wrong side of history, a bloody side that left over 100 million corpses in their wake—double the combined dead of the century’s two world wars. And you know what? They never apologized. No, instead, they cursed their accusers for daring to charge (quite correctly) that they were communists threatening America and the wider world. Not only did they get away with it, but liberals today continue to excuse and protect them. In Davis’s case, they do so to protect Obama. This is a great historical injustice. The truth needs to be told.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/the-communist-frank-marshall-davis-the-untold-story-of-barack-obama%E2%80%99s-mentor/Jack_Dennis said...

David Maraniss has made the case that Davis is Obama’s real father.

TEN REASONS WHY IT'S COMPLETELY REASONABLE TO DOUBT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S PARENTAGE AND SUSPECT HIS REAL FATHER IS FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS:

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2011/02/ten-reasons-why-its-completely.html

August 4, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mymy,

Right-wing, conspiracy theory propaganda.

August 4, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lkiethlu: He married you, didn't he? I rest my case. :)

August 4, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY iketileu??

I am here to pass the time! Maybe pick up a nugget of wisdom!(hasn't happend yet!) Shine a little light on just how phoney humans are and how they refuse to recognize just how shallow their thinking is! THAT ought to keep me busy until i check out!

August 4, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

"He married you, didn't he?"

This fact lends support to Ikeithlu's case, not yours.

"I rest my case."

As any coward would do when they don't have an argument.

August 4, 2012 at 3:56 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike...

"Most Christians I know are liberals"

Correction please,

You know liberals who CLAIM to be Christians.

August 4, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: You need to lighten up a tad, young lad. Loosen that cork. It's gonna be ok. Simply put, the entire world cannot be as enlightened as you, son.

August 4, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.

joneses claims he doesn't hate Obama, he just hates what Obama is doing.

C'mon man, get over yourself. Nobody who didn't have hatred seething in their bones would expend so much effort into lies and fraud as you are.

Of course, as I have said before (and lkeithlu just noted as well), if you really wanted to screw Obama you'd start supporting him.

August 4, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You know liberals who CLAIM to be Christians.

Explain to me again how you can tell who is a Christian and who is not?

August 4, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

If someone has a belief that is different from Bennett's in an area of one of his beloved hot button issues he will summon every intolerant ounce of energy he has and spend it all attacking them. He is a small minded fanatical Fascist.

August 4, 2012 at 4:07 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I am here to pass the time! Maybe pick up a nugget of wisdom!(hasn't happend yet!) Shine a little light on just how phoney humans are and how they refuse to recognize just how shallow their thinking is! THAT ought to keep me busy until i check out!

Maybe you need a hobby.

August 4, 2012 at 4:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BRP got it all goin on.

August 4, 2012 at 4:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

"Simply put, the entire world cannot be as enlightened as you, son."

In all seriousness, you're very ignorant.

August 4, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"he will summon every intolerant ounce of energy he has and spend it all attacking them."

Exposing intolerance isn't intolerance. Just because you hold a belief doesn't mean it deserves respect. Using your logic, we should have been more tolerant to Hitler, slave owners/traders, etc., correct?

"He is a small minded fanatical Fascist."

You and your Christian brothers and sisters are the Fascists. You have elevated you religion above human rights. The theocracy you are trying to obtain is the definition of Fascism. The religious Right are imposing their beliefs on others, condemning homosexuals for their nature, and denying them a basic right (marriage).

You are blinded by your ignorance (a.k.a. religion).

August 4, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
rick1 said...

EASY said "The religious Right are imposing their beliefs on others, condemning homosexuals for their nature, and denying them a basic right (marriage)."

Yet the when democrats controlled both the Senate and the House during Obama's first two years as President they did nothing to address gay marriage as a civil rights issue.

August 4, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike....

Saw this today, mostly political but on the mark.

"You Can Be A Christian Or A Liberal, But Not Both"

By Doug Giles / 2 August 2012

http://clashdaily.com/2012/08/you-can-be-a-christian-or-a-liberal-but-not-both/

August 4, 2012 at 5:36 p.m.

BigRidgePatriot, keep trying to push that line of attack. In reality, the response is a reaction to intolerance and oppression on the part of the right-wingers.

But I guess you'd rather we quietly took everything you cared to heap upon the rest of us. So that's why you try to convince everybody that you're the ones being persecuted, and are the real victims here.

As usual. But keep up with the lies. Nobody is fooled by such sophistry. It's like a school bully complaining when his victim goes to the teacher.

rick1, and many of us were disappointed with the limited response from Obama, but at least he wasn't seeking to pass yet another DOMA.

He's since changed his position, so great. Now what to do about the people who are proclaiming that we must follow their understanding of God's Will? What to do?

Apparently we're supposed to take it in silence, all in the name of giving them free speech, because somebody has a fallacious conceptualization of what tolerance means.

But for some reason we just don't buy into it. Yet the right-wing keeps trying that tactic, and other tactics to divide and conquer.

Yet you fail.

August 4, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sorry, conservative. Doug Giles' opinion of this is just that opinion. It carries no more weight than yours. Whether or not someone is a Christian is between them and their god, and does not require your stamp of approval, or Giles for that matter. How arrogant.

August 4, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

So Easy, the Christians are the fascists? Is that your position?

August 4, 2012 at 6:12 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Chick Fil A and its executives are free to speak their mind and free to use their profits in any way they wish. We the consumer are free to support that with our dollars (and say why) or not (and say why not). That's where it should end. If we see someone taking it further, using the situation to express hate (from either side) or using violence, intimidation or vandalism, they are wrong. Maybe not in a criminal sense every time, but morally wrong. It reflects poorly on them and those that support their actions.

August 4, 2012 at 6:14 p.m.
wyldmon said...

It's a civil rights issue, and religions resume on civil rights go's waaay back to the day's of slavery and stonings. Screw Chick Fil A, their food sucks and so do the people that eat it...fatties!

August 4, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike, don't focus on Doug Giles but focus on the the common sense and facts.

August 4, 2012 at 6:19 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu, I say let it go.

August 4, 2012 at 6:19 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ike, don't focus on Doug Giles but focus on the the common sense and facts.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!! whew

It's funny to talk about "common sense" and "facts" when discussing anything about religion.

Sorry, Jack. Couldn't resist.

August 4, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Stir it up, spoon

August 4, 2012 at 6:36 p.m.

lkeithlu, except we can't, because we're told that being criticizing Chik-Fil-A is the REAL crime here, that the true intolerance is daring to disagree with them and their attitude that support for same-sex marriage is drawing the wrath of God.

There's also substantial question about the agenda of the groups funded by Chik-Fil-A and what they've done with the money, like "Rehabilitation therapy" or whatever they call it when they try to change a person's sexual identity.

August 4, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike...

That's a cop out.

Now seriously,think about this, if your liberal friends were Christians you would having nothing to do with them.

consider,

"Can two walk together except they be agreed ?" Amos 3:3

You may have heard of this one - "birds of a feather flock together" and,

"They are like two peas in a pod"

"the company you keep says who you are"

August 4, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Give it a rest, Bulbous. Get off your moral high-horse.

August 4, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.

Keep trying Jack_Dennis, one day you may attempt to consider making a post that actually serves a purpose.

August 4, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

as good as your hollow blather, bulbous. you're serving a purpose here?

August 4, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Easy ignores questions he can't answer with a straight face. I'll ask again: Was the godfather Rahm being a hypocrite when he was Obama's Chief of staff and Obama was then against gay marriage? He didn't seem to have a problem with it then.

And why didn't Obama do something about it when he had both houses of congress in bed with him?

August 4, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Your 'logic' is as hollow as rickyroo's head." - J_D

JD, I want you to pick out any part of my previous post and tell me in what way any of what I wrote is "hollow." Everything I said in my post is true: Christians and conservatives used the Bible in the past to defend their bigotry about slavery and the subjugation of women, and they are using the same tactic today to discriminate against and hate (oh, pardon me...they LOVE the sinner but HATE the sin) gays.

You come on here and pretend like jesse to be "independent," just an aloof observer who's above the madness, but you are merely afraid to take a stand. You and jesse both are as opinionated as any commenter on here and your sense of the truth is no more right or truthful than anyone else's. You are as conservative and teabagging extremist as they come and you always side with the radical right's point of view, but you hide behind your mask of being an "independent" or whatever. There is nothing more hollow or pathetic than trying to straddle the fence, claiming to be an independent, but cheering like a teeny-bopping cheerleader every time some other teabagging poster chimes in with their typical conservative/libertarian/Obama-hating garbage.

August 4, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

happy, I understand what you are saying, but my opinion may be a little different. The company can do what it wants with its money, the people who run it can say what they want (although I believe differently) My freedom as an American allows me to abstain from patronizing their establishment. Now, if Chick Fil A broke the law (or the groups they fund with donations for that matter) at any point, that's different.

conservative, my many associates and friends who are both liberal and Christian do not ostracize me for my non-belief. My atheist friends who are conservative also do not ostracize me for my liberalism. I love my friends-their religious beliefs are not my business, and it does not interfere with our interactions. The greatest thing about being an American is I have the rights to believe, think, speak and worship (or not) as I please. Part of being an American is giving others that same freedom. (something you fail to grasp) What I share with my friends are similar interests: hobbies, science, books, travel. It has nothing whatever to do with religion.

August 4, 2012 at 6:53 p.m.
rick1 said...

Blubs said "rick1, and many of us were disappointed with the limited response from Obama, but at least he wasn't seeking to pass yet another DOMA."

Limited response from Obama! Get real and be honest. There was no response from Obama. Obama was against gay marriage until a few months ago and even then he would only say it was a States rights issue, and Obama has no intention of bringing up gay marriage as a Civil Rights issue. Liberals are quick to call republicans bigots, full of hate, homophobs, etc. yet Obama has ignored gays and lesbians and all you will say is many of you were disappointed with his limited response.

Why do I believe this would not be your feelings if we were having this conversation with a republican in office.

August 4, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike...

How do you know that your friends are Liberal?

August 4, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Bulbs only purpose in life seems to be trying to shove 10 pounds of liberal crap in a five pound bag.

August 4, 2012 at 6:57 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ricky, I don't recall mentioning being an independent. I've said I'm a moderate. My objection here is not always with the position; it's with the morally high-grounded, smarter than thou, posters. (2-3). Maybe I aim more at the messengers than the message.

August 4, 2012 at 6:59 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

HEEEEEERRRRRREEES JOHNNY!!!

August 4, 2012 at 7:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Everything they support politically tells me that they are liberal. Social programs, care for the poor and elderly, education, sound science, head-start programs, gay rights, same sex marriage, social justice. Most of them understand that poverty is a real trap, that the way out is through family planning (yes, including abortion as a choice) education, staying substance free. They mostly vote democratic but not all. The GOP members among my associates are frustrated with the current status of that party. There are no tea party members or gay bashers. They support the military, have family that are deployed, are patriotic, and are very supportive, financially and otherwise, of their churches and communities.

Sorry to burst your stereotype bubble.

August 4, 2012 at 7:05 p.m.

lkeithlu, here's the thing, the other side would have us NOT be free to do anything, to not say one word of criticism about anything. Look at the replies here trying to convince everybody that the "real" intolerance is not accepting their ways, but somehow "forcing" something upon them. Just a few days ago somebody said that a boycott wasn't criticism. It's all part of an attempt to suppress opposition to them with a fallacious set of reasoning that attempts to exploit principles for their own agenda.

That...is not legitimate discourse at all.

rick1, actually Obama stopped defending the DOJ from defending DOMA in court in 2011. And his 2008 platform included repealing it. I won't say I wasn't disappointed in Obama's less than enthusiastic response, but I'm quite aware that your intent is to create division and incite resentment. So...I don't buy it, because I know your purpose. You're not an honest critic. So that's why I don't much care what you have to say on the subject. What you're doing is not a legitimate intent, but an attempt to fan up dissension.

Why are you surprised that nobody cares about it? Do you think you're so clever nobody recognized your purpose?

Jack_Dennis: Keep up with the lies about who you are, it just discredits you.

August 4, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

happy, I do see your point. However, it is a criticism of the response rather than the actual event. I realize that I am probably not clear. 1) Head of ChickFil A makes donations to anti gay groups: his right 2) Says he is for "biblical marriage" (transl: against same sex marriage): his right 3) Huckabee declares Aug 1 to be the day to support CFA (and by extension express opposition to gay marriage) not nice, but his right. 4) Conservatives patronize CFA specifically for this reason. tacky in my opinion, but their right. 5) Same people spout anti gay rhetoric. Reflects poorly on them, makes them sound hateful, but their right. 6) Gays and supporters demonstrate outside CFA. Their right, but for what? Unless ChickFilA is shown to be discriminating against any group (and I'm not saying they don't but I have not seen compelling evidence to suggest it) this is tacky, although well within their rights.

Here is a thoughtful Christian response to the whole mess on Aug 1:

http://matthewpaulturner.net/blog/

August 4, 2012 at 7:25 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike...

You have not burst my bubble.

Socialist government usurping the role of God and the duty of Christians and the support, practice, and advocation of the abominable sin of homosexuality and abortion is NOT Christianity and is in opposition to God and Christianity. These Liberal stands and practices of your friends are proof enough that one can not be both a Liberal and a Christian.

You don't know what Christianity is and you deny the existence of God, who established Christianity. However, you do know what a Liberal is.

August 4, 2012 at 7:43 p.m.
rick1 said...

Blubs, all I stated were that facts. Obama was againts gay marriage until a few months ago and now his position on Gay marriage is that it is a States Rights issue. It is also a fact when he had control of both the senate and the House not one word was ever mentioned about addressing gay marriage as a civil rights issue. It is also a fact that liberals accuse republicans of being bigots, full of hate etc. but nothing was ever said about Obama for all the years he was against gay marriage. I also made the statement that Obama has no intention of addressing Gay marriage as a civile rights issue in response to Easy post ""The religious Right are imposing their beliefs on others, condemning homosexuals for their nature, and denying them a basic right (marriage)."

You said "my intent create division and incite resentment. So...I don't buy it, because I know your purpose. You're not an honest critic. So that's why I don't much care what you have to say on the subject. What you're doing is not a legitimate intent, but an attempt to fan up dissension."

Bulbs, when you can not defend yourself or Obama, you have to attack. You are the one who is dishonest and nothing but a fraud. You act like you really care about the rights of others when in fact you are all for people losing their rights and freedoms so they can be completely controlled by the govt.

You also said "Why are you surprised that nobody cares about it? Do you think you're so clever nobody recognized your purpose?"

Obviously you are concerned about it or you would not have responded to begin with since I was responding to Easy.

August 4, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your version of Christianity is not the final word, conservative. They are fine Christians in every sense of the word: believing and living out that belief every day. It is you that is flawed. Sorry. Your holier than thou attitude and judgment of people you don't even know reveal that you have no God in your heart. Someone like you could make me believe in Satan, as you espouse just the sort of hate and judgment that he would.

BTW, my final comment: I am glad to be an American, because if this were Iran, your nasty hateful attitude could be imposed on me and my community. As it is America, the worse thing you are capable of doing is disgusting me online. I can handle that just fine. Good night.

August 4, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike...

As an atheist you hate God. You resent the fact that I know that, so you lash out.

You don't know what Christianity is yet you are adamant that your Liberal friends are Christians because they share the same anti Bible views as yourself. You are blind.

August 4, 2012 at 8:10 p.m.

lkeithlu, the problem is not that he's just for "biblical" marriage, but that he is invoking the wrath of God in his opposition to same-sex marriage. And that many people are trying to silence dissent by false logic that only represents a twisted set of reasoning to get their way.

Those are the actual events, and part of the whole story. There is room for legitimate discussion, perhaps, but that sort of thing is what prevents any dialogue.

They can't even be honest that they're not simply saying how they feel, but are trying to get their discriminatory and oppressive ways enshrined into law. Notice how they deflect around that issue.

rick1: Nope, your representations are not all facts. They leave out details, or misrepresent the situation. Like these you just added. Obama wasn't against same-sex marriage (try not to confuse not being supportive with actual opposition, I know it's hard, but you need to stop the lying), and he didn't control the House or Senate. That would be a true dictatorship. The Representatives and Senators in the respective chambers did, and you know what? They didn't support it either, and yes, many of them do oppose it. I consider them wrong, but what can I do? I don't live in their district or states.

Am I disappointed that Obama isn't as strong in his endorsement of the rights of same-sex couples as he could be? Sure. But I recognize your intent is not to criticize Obama, but to exploit what you think will cause division.

Really, why do you think you're fooling anybody? You try to blame me, but you're the one who is on the attack, you can't defend yourself, or your conduct, all you can do is try to say "But wait, wait, look at this guy, isn't he supposed to be your leader, why aren't you demanding anything of him" which is really your attempt to create division.

But do keep thinking of your own self-importance. If you weren't so afraid of the support Obama is getting from the supporters of same-sex marriage, you wouldn't be trying to divide him from them.

The thing is...you're failing. Really, what purpose do you think it would serve? Do you think supporters of same-sex marriage don't see the adamant opposition from the conservative right-wing side?

August 4, 2012 at 8:17 p.m.
Clawdia said...

To state that just because someone does not believe same sex marriage is right does not mean they are a "homophobe." It is non-sensical to not allow others to have an opinion but only yourself to have one that cannot be challanged. I thought our society was more educated than this, but it is not.

August 4, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, I can't hate what I don't believe exists.

However, you hate what you don't understand or doesn't meet your narrow definition of 'truth'. Like I said, I am glad the constitution protects me from the likes of you. Ain't America great?

Dang. I said I was gone. Now I'm really signing off.

August 4, 2012 at 8:31 p.m.
hambone said...

185 post, mostly from the same handfull of people bickering back and forth. With nothing really important said.

Mostly wanna be internet trolls feeding their exploded egos!

August 4, 2012 at 8:49 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bulbous: I've never lied to you.

August 4, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "on the the common sense and facts."

Yes. Let's do just that.

"1. Christianity to be scrubbed from government and whatever turf the government owns. Thanks to the liberals, the Ten Commandments have about as much acceptance in our government and their properties as Rush Limbaugh would at Sandra Fluke’s family reunion. The Judeo-Christian principles that formed the rock-solid foundation of this great American Experiment are now aggressively and consistently attacked by the lascivious left."

Contrary to some rather deluded belief, this country was NOT founded on Christian principles. The founding fathers were Diests.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html

"2. Secularism to be continually mainlined into our public school system."

Parents of children who desire that they pray can get on their knees with them before they send them packing off to school. They can pray with them after school. They can pray with them before they go to bed. There are many Christians whose goal is to force other people's children to participate in a ritualistic act of public prayer while at school, as a means by which to proselytize.

"3. Public officials, employees and appointees [are] pressured to hide their faith in the closet and suppress their public displays of belief in God..."

Nobody is pressured to hide their faith...period, that is unless their expressions of faith become expressions of condemnation towards others. If public displays were indeed limited to simply a 'belief in God,' they probably would never become problematic, but far too many public displays cross the line when they are used in promoting one religious belief over all others.

"4. Public attacks on churches and Christians and attempts to restrict them in the private sector. Consider this, Christian pastor and Christian lay person looking to vote for the ludicrous left: The secular Mafioso’s intent is to make your ministerial life difficult, your evangelistic work taxing and your voice minimized."

I know of no 'Liberal' person on the face of this Earth who would not welcome anyone declaring themselves to be Christian to vote for any left-leaning candidate.

Number 5 was so over the top and utterly devoid of anything resembling a valid point, that it deserves no response whatsoever.

He, nor you, do not have any right or invitation to judge anyone else as to the depth of their Christianity. You do not have any right or invitation to determined who is or is not a Christian, based upon your chosen criteria.

August 4, 2012 at 8:57 p.m.

Clawdia, exactly what makes you think that Dan Cathy is open to being challenged? Have you read his words?

"I think we are inviting God's Judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him" does not strike me as one that's up for discussion or debate.

Maybe my experiences are different from yours, but I've found that when people think they have God on their side, they're the ones who aren't to be challenged.

And have you noticed the "challenges" that are presented against the side supporting same-sex marriage? You don't challenge somebody by twisted reasoning and fallacious logic.

hambone, well, the TFP could start exercising some control over their forums, but that would probably be violating people's free speech or something.

August 4, 2012 at 9:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Clawdia,

"To state that just because someone does not believe same sex marriage is right does not mean they are a "homophobe." "

Yes, it does. If you base any of your ideas about gays on the Bible then you are, by definition, homophobic.

"It is non-sensical to not allow others to have an opinion but only yourself to have one that cannot be challanged (sic)."

This is what Christians are doing. They do not want their opinion/beliefs challenged by homosexuals or supporters of gay marriage. This is why they all banded together to eat greasy, fried chicken together. Christians always play the victim when their barbaric beliefs are criticized.

August 4, 2012 at 9:46 p.m.
alprova said...

"Was the godfather Rahm being a hypocrite when he was Obama's Chief of staff and Obama was then against gay marriage? He didn't seem to have a problem with it then."

President Obama changed his mind. He is as human as you and I. Call it a flip-flop if it makes you feel any better, but it is perfectly permissable for anyone, at any time, to reassess their positions and/or opinions and to do a complete 180 degree turn if they are inclined to do so.

When Rahm Emanuel resigned his position as Chief of Staff for President Obama, he became his own person, with his own beliefs, and he was then free to express them as such.

Make no mistake, while a member of the Presidential staff, the last thing anyone in that position would ever do, is to publicly contradict the President, under any circumstance. When you work for a Presidential administration, the President's beliefs, opinions, and/or positions are your beliefs, opinions, and/or positions too.

"And why didn't Obama do something about it when he had both houses of congress in bed with him?"

They Democrat dominated both Houses of Congress (111th) most certainly did attempt to address the issue, although it is unclear that any attempt to influence the passage of the legislation was made by the President. The Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act was introduced during the 110th, the 111th, and the 112th Congress sessions.

The legislation did not make it out of committee presentations during the 110th or the 111th sessions. It was voted on and was passed out of committee this year, on May 16, 2012. It has yet to be brought to the floor of either House for a vote.

Also, the Respect for Marriage Act was a bill introduced to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and it required the U.S. federal government to recognize the validity of same-sex marriages.

It was introduced to committee during the 111th session on September 15, 2009 and it never made it out of committee. It was introduced again on March 16, 2011, during the 112th Congressional session, it was approved and sent to the Senate, where it remains in limbo to this day.

August 4, 2012 at 9:47 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

If "gay" were genetic, it would not breed. If "gay" were genetic, then so would "straight" be, eh? So "gay" means "heterophobic," right? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. It's OK to criticize Mr Cathy. It's not OK for governments to ban his restaurants because of his opinions.
Ben & Jerry's "Chocolate Therapy" ice cream is good stuff, whatever their political opinions.

August 5, 2012 at 1:10 a.m.

You're in error, AndrewLohr. People can and do reproduce even with those they don't find attractive, and no, homosexuality does not mean you find the opposite sex so repellent you can't possibly find a way to reproduce either. Especially not in modern times.

But it's apparently not OK at all to criticize Mr. Cathy, we've been told it is flaout completely intolerant of us, without even the nuance of government being involved.

Maybe you should talk about intemperate speech from those who do support Mr. Cathy.

August 5, 2012 at 1:47 a.m.
Clawdia said...

Easy 123....and so you do the same...have a fit when your belief is challenged...how about since you have a restaurant and you believe in same sex marriage we ban you from the state...non-sensical...and on and on it goes...point being...each has freedom to state their belief and should be able to do so without being discriminated against. Ugh!

August 6, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.
Clawdia said...

How about we stop worrying about who said what and who believes what and get our nation back on our feet...sooo stupid.

August 6, 2012 at 3:45 p.m.
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