published Tuesday, August 14th, 2012

Paul Ryan's disappointing reality

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    Republican vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., works with Republican members of the House Budget Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington.
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When presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney selected Paul Ryan, the House Budget Committee Chairman, as his running mate on Saturday morning, many conservatives across America rejoiced.

The selection of Ryan served as an olive branch to factions under the Republican tent who were dubious of Romney and his record as Massachusetts governor, which includes mandating health insurance and hiking a number of fees. Ryan, who is beloved by many in the Tea Party movement, is seen as a much-needed bridge between the boring, old, rich, white, entitled Republican Party that Romney personifies so well and the middle class, limited government, Tea Party-tinted folks that actually represent the majority of GOP voters.

Ryan, who earned his Tea Party bona fides by authoring much of "The Path to Prosperity," the Republican Party's highly regarded cost-cutting budget proposal, and speaking at Tea Party rallies across America, can do the three most important things a vice presidential candidate could do for a party nominee.

First, Ryan can galvanize a segment of potential voters that Romney hasn't managed to excite. Namely, the aforementioned Tea Partiers, as well as libertarian and fiscally conservative voters, who, understandably, don't trust Romney as far as they can throw him on issues of spending and entitlement reform.

Second, if he does manage to draw in segments of the Republican base that Romney could not, Ryan can bring in new financial contributors and more money for the campaign, a necessity with so many states still up for grabs on the Electoral College map.

Third, Ryan can help Romney win a lucrative state he wouldn't otherwise win. Ryan hails from Wisconsin, which Obama won comfortably in 2008. Days before Romney announced Ryan as his VP choice, a joint poll by Quinnipiac University, CBS News and The New York Times showed Obama up by six points over Romney in Wisconsin.

Since Ryan is very popular throughout the Badger State, his presence on the ticket could easily trigger a 20-vote turnaround -- taking away Wisconsin's 10 Electoral College votes from Obama and handing them to Romney.

For those three reasons, Romney's pick of Ryan is undeniably wise. (Those three reasons also illustrate why Obama's selection of Joe Biden was such a head-scratcher. Ryan can do all three things a good VP selection should do -- deliver votes, money and a state. Biden didn't do a single one in 2008 -- and won't do anything to help Obama's campaign this go-around either.)

Ryan seems like the perfect vice presidential candidate for the people who actually want a true-blue, tried and tested conservative on the Republican ticket.

Except for one problem. He's an imposter.

Ryan's big talk of small government bears little, if any, resemblance with how he actually votes.

In national politics, where perception is almost always more important than reality, Ryan has managed to perpetrate one of the greatest scams in recent memory by making conservatives believe he's a glorious mix of Ron Paul, Ayn Rand and Barry Goldwater.

Would a supposed Tea Party darling vote with Hillary Clinton, Jesse Jackson Jr., John Kerry, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Bernie Sanders on one of the past decade's most important pieces of legislation? Of course not.

Yet, that's exactly what Ryan did when he voted in support of TARP, the $700 billion Wall Street bailout bill.

Oh, and Ryan benefitted handily from that reprehensible vote. He recently snagged $12,150 from Wells Fargo, $10,000 from Goldman Sachs and $9,700 from Bank of America for his campaign coffers, according to campaign disclosures published by the website Open Secrets.

The conservative cause's golden boy has plenty more bad votes where that came from. In 2003, Ryan voted for Medicare Part D, which expanded government control of healthcare to make prescription drugs an entitlement -- and cost Americans more than $55 billion annually, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

Ryan also voted for the auto bailout, No Child Left Behind and ethanol subsidies.

He even opposes repealing the Davis-Bacon Act, which requires federal construction contractors to pay prevailing wages. Davis-Bacon increases construction costs for taxpayers and discriminates against talented non-union workers. As a result of this AFL-CIO brownnosing, Ryan has racked up tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from labor unions, according to Mother Jones.

Even "The Path to Prosperity," Ryan's deficit decreasing budget proposal, wasn't nearly as fiscally conservative as he would have Americans believe.

Ryan's proposed budget, for example, does nothing to reduce America's ballooning defense spending, which has doubled in the past decade, according to the White House Office of Management and Budget. The Cato Institute found that "The Path to Prosperity" only modestly decreases nondefense discretionary spending, does little to roll back the size and scope of federal bureaucracies and fails to actually provide for specific ways to trim Social Security -- a major component of Ryan's cost savings.

At first blush, the inclusion of Ryan on the GOP presidential ticket appears to be a win for conservatives -- and a welcome attempt by Romney to reach out to those Republicans who distrust him the most.

However, the facts show that Ryan has a schizophrenic voting record on the issues he claims to care about the most -- namely spending, entitlement reform and the national debt. His speeches may make him seem like a Tea Party hero, but his voting record has "RINO" and "unprincipled squish" written all over it.

So what are Republican voters really getting with Ryan? In the end, something that not many of them actually want: More of the same old disappointing Republican Party that is unwilling to seriously address entitlement reform or reduce spending.

Looking on the bright side, though, Ryan may give Romney just the boost he needs to win the election. And to most GOP voters, more of the same old disappointing Republican Party is better than four more years with Obama in the White House (if only just barely).

Given what Ryan can bring to the table for the Romney campaign -- aligning new voters behind the Romney-Ryan ticket, generating additional campaign contributions and possibly delivering Wisconsin, a previously almost unwinnable state for Romney -- the selection of Ryan still seems like a stroke of genius. That is unless the day comes that fiscal conservative, Tea Party and libertarian voters uncover the "real" Paul Ryan and realize that, not only is he not the savior they thought he was, he's actually no better than Romney.

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timbo said...

That is exactly how I feel about Ryan. We are getting fooled again. There is no way the establishment Republicans would let a real Tea Party type on the ticket.

The establishment, RINO, Republicans hate the Tea Party more than the Democrats. They just throw us a bone and then tell us to shut up and send a check.

The local party is a prime example of this behavior. They talk conservative then act like Democrats. Case in point was VW.

When Obama bailed out GM by using tax payer money to save and create jobs by giving money to private business, the local Republicans howled. How could Obama do this? He is picking the winners and losers.

Well, VW was the same as GM. Tax payer money was used to bribe a car company to locate here. This was picking winners and losers just like good Democrats would do. What it did was saddle small businesses with back door tax and "fee" increases to subsidize another "winner" that the government favored.

The local party not only supported it, local elected Republican politicians negotiated it.

The problem in this country is not just the Democrats, it is the RINO, Republican establishment that is just a little bit better than the Democrats but votes just like them when needed (i.e. TARP). Their new election battle cry should be, "We're not as bad as Obama." How pathetic. We need a third party in the worst way.

I will vote for them anyway because Obama is a disaster.

August 14, 2012 at 6 a.m.
gjuster said...

As Vice President of the Chattanooga Tea Party - I can tell you that Ryan was never looked at by most tea party members as a Tea Partier. We consider him the third best pick behind Rand Paul and Marco Rubio (who probably didn't want the job) but a lot better than Pawlenty, Portman, and the other considerations. Like Timbo said - better than Democrats - bust just barely. I do think he will help Romney win - and the importance of that is all the cabinet members and the people that will surround Romney.

August 14, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.
EaTn said...

timbo said... "That is exactly how I feel about Ryan. We are getting fooled again."

gjuster said..."We consider him the third best pick"

Wow, two right-wing posters opinions. I can't top that. But my guess is that both of you folks will hold your noses and vote Romney/Ryan anyway rather than for the President.

August 14, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.
aae1049 said...

Exactly Timbo,

"The establishment, RINO, Republicans hate the Tea Party more than the Democrats. They just throw us a bone."

Locally, I have observed that the local Tea Party is the most engaged in local political issues, while the GOP is somewhat stale and tired. I believe Timbo is correct, GOP does have some degree of envy about the momentum and energy of the TEA. It does seem that way.

August 14, 2012 at 8:26 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

If the Tea Party stuck to economic issues I'd be interested in supporting them. Unfortunately, the Tennessee Tea Party is a Christian Conservative organization, whose goal is to undermine the separation between church and state, impose biblical teaching in public school, and impose their version of morality on the rest of us. I would like to see more conservative fiscal behavior, but I will not have the bible shoved down my throat to get it, nor will I see science take a back seat to mythology.

August 14, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
gjuster said...

EaTN - a choice has to be made in the voting booth - I don't expect perfection from any candidates - they all have warts. Yes I will vote for Romney. In my opinion he is a better choice.

lkeithlu .As for the Tea Party being a Christian organization, I am not a Christian - they are many different beliefs amongst TP members. Some are social and some are economic. There is room for both. Come to a meeting and visit - you'll find like minded individuals. I will be running the September meeting - and as I stated, I'm not a Christian

August 14, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

gjuster: Thanks for the invite. Do you have a website? The state ones are either overtly religious or discontinued.

August 14, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
gjuster said...

lkeithlu http://www.chattanoogateaparty.com/ and you can go the facebook page where you will really see divergence of opinions http://www.facebook.com/groups/67714614236/

August 14, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Thanks! I'll check it out.

August 14, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

gjuster said... EaTN - a choice has to be made in the voting booth - I don't expect perfection from any candidates - they all have warts. Yes I will vote for Romney. In my opinion he is a better choice.

lkeithlu .As for the Tea Party being a Christian organization, I am not a Christian - they are many different beliefs amongst TP members. Some are social and some are economic. There is room for both. Come to a meeting and visit - you'll find like minded individuals. I will be running the September meeting - and as I stated, I'm not a Christian

Greg, I don't believe everything I hear or read, but many people I know that also align themselves with the tea party are very much like what is described below. Please enlighten us as to just how welcome we would be. Or why we would want to support this group trying to lesson the value of the life of a woman? The Chattanooga tea party just seems like a Republican tea party to me.

Tea Party supports [christian] prayer [in government] http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/20...

The Founders established this great country so that everyone after them could live freely in a Republic founded on the morals of Christianity. Sadly, we have strayed from these basic liberties and principles that the Founders granted us.http://www.chattanoogateaparty.com/announcements/chattanooga-tea-party-essay-contest-winner/

The new hire, Samar Ali, is a Tennessee native, Vanderbilt law graduate, a recent White House Fellow, a former associate attorney at Hogan Lovells and has one of the most impressive resumes of international humanitarian service I’ve ever seen. She’s also Muslim. As a result, several county Republican groups and a Tea Party group went berserk and began churning out petitions and resolutions calling for Ali to step down and for Haslam to receive “appropriate action.” http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/18/catching-hell-for-hiring-a-muslim/

In return, Tea Party activists helped Republicans expand majorities in red states like Tennessee and take the U.S. House of Representatives and 20 state legislative chambers around the country. These Republican majorities have pushed voter identification and anti-abortion bills, or followed Wisconsin's lead in curtailing public sector workers' collective bargaining rights. http://weather.yahoo.com/tea-partiers-yearn-truly-red-tennessee-101731162.html

August 14, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.
gjuster said...

JustOne -

Good questions asked 1) I don't understand the statement - lessening the value of the life of a woman. If you are talking about abortion - many would argue, it's not about the woman, it's about the life inside the woman. Also, why would the man that's responsible for the fetus not be given any say. Rather than argue the point with you as to who's right or who's wrong, I don't buy the devaluating women argument. At our meetings sometimes over half the attendees are women. When I went to the first rally in DC with over 1.000.000 people there, I would make the educated guess that 35 - 40% were women. Tea Party principles value men and women equally. (I personally value my wife at well over equal)

2)Many TP'ers want to see Christian morals in government restored - just as atheists want to see no morals or christianity anywhere. Since I'm Jewish - I fall into the cracks. My belief is that basic morals have been eroded so that anything goes. (See recent campaign ads as proof) Yes, many TP'ers are pushing for prayer to remain in government - that is their right. And I do agree that the US has strayed from the basic liberties and principles. But these rights were not granted by the Founders - but by our Creator. Any right granted by man (government) can be taken away by man (government)

3) Muslims in government scare many TP'ers - and with good reason, look at what's going on in Europe and you'll see what can happen here. That said, unfortunately, Samar may be being painted with a broad brush (which happens all too often in all endeavors - try being a Tea Party member and read the main stream media as how we are violent when in fact the is no history or record of violence and yet they love OWS which has a history of almost nothing but violence or occupying someone else's property for free) My own beliefs is that Islam is not a religion of peace (they would like to kill me and all my people) and that Islam is far worse than Christianity when they start pushing their religion on you. Try making a joke of Muhammad and see what happens. This is a tough one to answer - not all Muslims are bad, not all are good - and the same can be said for Jews and Christians. I do worry about the spread of Sharia law which is happening in the US on a very small scale - it does not jibe with our constitution and laws. I'm sure my comments in this paragraph will not make some people happy.

More shortly

August 14, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.
gjuster said...

Just One Continued -

3) This is the most interesting of your questions. Is the Tea Party a branch of the Republicans. If you look at the basics of the Tea Party - limited federal government, free markets, a return to constitutional ideals - the Tea Party has no where to go but the Republican Party. I consider the Republicans only marginally better than the Democrats when it comes to running the government - but I have no chance of influencing the Democrat party with my ideas, but I (the TP) have influenced the Republican party greatly with several establishment Republicans losing their seats and being replaced by TP candidates. It's a long process when you are making changes within the system. Most TP'ers are not enamored with the Republican party and realize that the Republicans are just as much to blame for the deficit as Democrats (though the current President has kicked into a higher gear). I submit to you that the Tea Party is a bigger threat to the Republican Party than to the Democrats. And that a third party is impossible to get traction on a national basis in the current environment.

I've tried to be brief - I hope this answered some of your questions. Remember - each Tea Party member is their own person.

August 14, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

This is from an opinion piece. Normaly I wouldn't site this, but it is from David Stockman, so I think it carries some wight.

"The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. The crony capitalists of K Street already own more than enough Republican votes to stop that train before it leaves the station." ........ "In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons."

David A. Stockman, who was the director of the Office of Management and Budget from 1981 to 1985, is the author of the forthcoming book “The Great Deformation: How Crony Capitalism Corrupts Free Markets and Democracy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

August 14, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
theMirror said...

I think GJuster points out the biggest problem with the Tea Partiers. The very reason they aren't going to be effective.

They are too focused on one battle, dso it is unlikely they will win the actual war.

If Romney wins in November most of the TP will pat themselves on the back, say that Obama is gone and all is well now. Of course Romney is barely better than Obama - so what is really won?

It's like playing roulette but claiming you have better odds because you opted for a 22 instead of the 45 caliber.

A Romney win tells the GOP that it can keep putting up marginally better candidates and still win.

The TP looses the war, but yeah sure - they got Obama out of office. Meanwhile TARP voters like Ryan and others are still comfortably in office. Maybe even MORE empowered! The TP momentum will be gone allowing Romney et al just keep doing the same spending that George W Bush and Obama have done like their predecessors. The national debt still climbs - we all loose.

Eyes on the war, letting Romney win by holding your nose just means you're a sell out and prolongs the chance for real meaningful change.

August 14, 2012 at 1:49 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

gjuster said... "....just as atheists want to see no morals or christianity anywhere."

FALSE FALSE.....Many atheists don't agree with christian morals, but many have higher morals and would love to keep morals in our society. I would venture to guess your morals are high as well, but you just insulted a major chunk of society with a higher than thou attitude. Was that your intention?

"But these rights were not granted by the Founders - but by our Creator. Any right granted by man (government) can be taken away by man (government)"

So it does look like you are advocating for a God government. Since our forefathers fought hard to make that NOT happen, I don't consider you very patriotic. And I certainly don't think you understand the constitution. You see, it is for "all", not just those with God beliefs.

"My own beliefs is that Islam is not a religion of peace (they would like to kill me and all my people) and that Islam is far worse than Christianity when they start pushing their religion on you. Try making a joke of Muhammad and see what happens. This is a tough one to answer - not all Muslims are bad, not all are good - and the same can be said for Jews and Christians. I do worry about the spread of Sharia law which is happening in the US on a very small scale - it does not jibe with our constitution and laws. I'm sure my comments in this paragraph will not make some people happy."

I will not argue the point about Sharia law, except to say that we as a nation recongnize other society's laws when needed. Our constitution can handle the differences. Our law is supreme in this land. But freedom of choice is what this country was founded on. If you, just because of your belief think that you are the decider or know what is best for eveyone, then that is no longer a democracy. I understand the threat from extremists, but I consider any religion in our government as an extremist's agenda. Maybe it is because I don't live in Iran, but I don't see islamic threats. I see christian threats. They have stated that they want to kill me, "and my people",(as you say).

"but I (the TP) have influenced the Republican party greatly with several establishment Republicans losing their seats and being replaced by TP candidates."

I attribute the gridlock and the stalemate of congress to the tea party. In my opinion, it is a bunch of people that do not understand our constitution, nor the way our country works. They have half-assed solutions and scream jobs jobs jobs, yet have not the knowledge, experience, or desire to do anything but put restrictions on women's bodies and get nosy about who is sleeping with who. Fear is the mind killer and the tea party uses it to put draconian laws in place.

"Remember - each Tea Party member is their own person."

I agree, but as I stated earlier, and you seem to confirm, the tea party seems to be advocating for a theocracy, to which freedom cannot stand.

August 14, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

gjuster said... "If you are talking about abortion - many would argue, it's not about the woman, it's about the life inside the woman. Also, why would the man that's responsible for the fetus not be given any say."

I do not want to take this thread off course, but in response to your reply:

There is a reason women carry babies. As stated in the bible, aye? Life begins with breath, and ends with lack of breath. When the baby is born and life begins, that becomes a person in society. When man wants to control what goes on inside a woman's body, they have crossed the line. Not just the line with the woman, but the line with God. You don't know that God hasn't put that fetus there to experience that. So who is to say that you are not standing in the way of God's will. Frankly, unless it is yours, it is none of your business. I don't like abortion. I think it is an awful thing. But I don't view it as murder. Neither did the bible. But many women have died because someone else thought they knew more, just like you. So it really is about the woman, isn't it? Which has more value? A living breathing woman, or a fetus? That really is the question isn't it? If you and others would refer to the texts, we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? But what typically happens is that people with a money agenda convince people like yourself that women couldn't have the sense to know what is best for them or their fetus, and that they need control so that their good deeds will help you go to heaven.

August 14, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Good comments and debate from all.

To theMirror - I hear (read) what you're saying, and agree with a lot of what you and gjuster are writing. But, in your analogy, I think we stand a much better chance of surviving the shot from the 22 caliber than the 45 caliber that's the other option.

I would also rather have the scenario you paint with Ryan and the others comfortably in office, influenced by the Tea Party and their friends, than the current administration, influenced by the ones that have been influencing them for the last 3-1/2 years.

For me, it's an easy choice... vote Obama out and restore dignity, honesty, and budgeting back to the highest seat in the land.

August 14, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Hmmmm...a quick look (quick-needs more time for a more in-depth look) and I see economic and fiscal stands, of course, but intentions to restore "morals and values". Now, I have a problem with this: I am a non-believer (yes, the A word, the most distrusted group in the country) and my morals are just fine, thank you. I don't need government to tell me right from wrong outside of the laws of the land and state. I also don't need the government imposing any religious belief on me or my family. I'm trying to connect prayer in school to fiscal responsibility, but somehow it's not working. When the group meets, what dominates the discussion? Is belief in a god a requirement of patriotism? I'm not trying to make trouble, but outside of being good stewards of our tax money and providing for national security and defense, what more do we want from our government? Does limited government not also mean live and let live, even if other's "lifestyle" while lawful may not agree with us?

August 14, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
theMirror said...

Sure thing Chatt_man, the most serious question is: Will the Tea Party people be effective at influencing Romney.

I have my doubts. If Romney can get their support once, then he's likely got enough on board that he can ignore most of the pleas from them.

I think most will go soft after seeing an (R) in the White House. W spent and grew the government more than anyone before him - where were the calls to turn back? Who was marching in the streets and plazas about the debt?

Trying to influence them after they have the seat of power is very hard to do. Time will tell. But the track record doesn't make me optimistic. For that reason I think Romney may be a 45 mislabeled as a 22. The size and powers of government will grow under Romney, as will the debt. Talk is cheap, actions are the only gauge. We'll see in 2014 where the economy is, GDP to Debt ratio, etc. I hope to be surprised.

August 14, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.
gjuster said...

Just One - .just as atheists want to see no morals or christianity anywhere.

Perhaps bad typing - didn't mean that atheists have no morals - I meant that they don't want them dictated in any way from government -

August 14, 2012 at 5:05 p.m.
gjuster said...

Just One said - "So it does look like you are advocating for a God government. Since our forefathers fought hard to make that NOT happen, I don't consider you very patriotic. And I certainly don't think you understand the constitution. You see, it is for "all", not just those with God beliefs."

I believe our founders said (and I paraphrase) these rights endowed by our creator

Just One Said - "But what typically happens is that people with a money agenda convince people like yourself that women couldn't have the sense to know what is best for them or their fetus, and that they need control so that their good deeds will help you go to heaven."

Actually I find that offensive - especially since I haven't even stared my personal beliefs on abortion or whether or not I believe in God. Are you saying I don't have a mind of my own? Really? I wonder how I became successful starting my first company at age 22 - oh that's right - I didn't do it on my own - I didn't build that.

Just One said - "I attribute the gridlock and the stalemate of congress to the tea party. In my opinion, it is a bunch of people that do not understand our constitution, nor the way our country works. They have half-assed solutions and scream jobs jobs jobs, yet have not the knowledge, experience, or desire to do anything but put restrictions on women's bodies and get nosy about who is sleeping with who. Fear is the mind killer and the tea party uses it to put draconian laws in place."

Once again - I find your comment mildly offensive and would like to state for the record - I don't believe you have a clue about the Tea Party and the people that make it up. You need to get past the biased media. I haven't heard anyone in the Tea Party scream jobs (that's what the politicians do) other than policies that hurt job growth- because most of us know that the government doesn't create jobs (other than with taxpayer money) they can only create obstacles to industry creating jobs. I like gridlock in congress, in fact - I wish they would do what the Texas legislature does - meet for 3 months (approx) every two years - that way they could do less damage. I believe the difference between us may be that you think he government is the solution - I view it as the problem in most cases. Too big, too unwieldy, too powerful, too authoritarian, and becoming big brother (actually it's well on its way there)I respect your right to your way of thinking - I ask that you respect mine as well.

August 14, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Well Mirror, I hope to be surprised as well. I also hope that with someone in there that is more consistent to the business environment, jobs will increase at a greater rate.

On the size of the debt, maybe since Obama has shown us the cliff, some will respect it more...and then, maybe it's just politics as usual, hopefully not.

August 14, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.
gjuster said...

theMirror and Chattman Romney is a 38 compared to Obama's 45. The Tea Party doesn't expect miracles from the Republicans - only shades of difference. However - we have gotten several true TP'ers elected that are standing up to the R leadership. If Romney and Company win, and perform like Bush did in his second term - most TP'ers will sit out the next election. Statewide, several R lawmakers that performed like RINO's met with a challenge from TP candidates, a few lost, but they know now that we are not sheep to be led where they want. I agree, talk is cheap - and we will see what happens in 2014 with the next election cycle.

August 14, 2012 at 5:34 p.m.

Wow, you're actually pointing out the idea that the people you elected talk the talk, but don't walk the walk?

My word.

But don't worry, the talk is wrong anyway, so it's best we don't walk that gangplank anyway.

August 14, 2012 at 6:37 p.m.
aae1049 said...

GJuster is a fine leader and representative of the Chatt Tea Party. They are the only political organization willing to monitor and address public corruption in our local governments. For that, they are my favorite.

None of the members agree on the issues across the board. For me, they are perfect for my number one concerns, how our local government is spending public money, and this pervasive problem of government seeding private business with our property tax dollars. Whether you agree or not, these issues are important to me, and the Chattanooga Tea Party is willing to address these issues, and the others will not. Great work GJuster, who is Jewish. The negative media myths about the Tea Party are just not true.

August 14, 2012 at 9:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I like the emphasis on fiscal responsibility and small government. I don't like the moralizing and religious components. Can't quite understand why they are there at all.

August 14, 2012 at 10:30 p.m.
raygunz said...

I'll know when tea-partiers are real when they begin to complain about the waste in the Defense Department budget,which eats up about 52% of our nation's spending!!

August 14, 2012 at 10:31 p.m.
gjuster said...

Raygunz -

The Tea Party decries waste in all government entities, which is rampant. DoD waste is no different. One of the few responsibilities that the Federal government is supposed to do is protect us from foreign invaders, hence the DoD. There are many of us that believe the defense budget should be cut and that sending our soldiers in harm's way is done all to cavalierly. The gov't is not good at running anything efficiently (another reason against Obamacare) - and the DoD is no different.

August 15, 2012 at 7:40 a.m.
Walden said...

Drew - this is simply unhelpful. If this is what you are going to add to the cause of dismantling the Obama/Biden nightmare, please go back from whence you came.

By the way, please hack about 1.5 inches off your sideburns.

Thanks, Walden

August 15, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Walden, who is Drew? I scrolled back and can't find anyone that has that name.

August 15, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
Walden said...

Ikeithlu - he is the person who wrote this editorial (apparently). Drew Johnson.

August 15, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

gjuster said... I believe the difference between us may be that you think he government is the solution - I view it as the problem in most cases. Too big, too unwieldy, too powerful, too authoritarian, and becoming big brother (actually it's well on its way there)I respect your right to your way of thinking - I ask that you respect mine as well.

So, you think you KNOW what I THINK. Typical holier than thou attitude. And you couldn't be more wrong. Why should I respect it? I respect freedoms and your right to say anything you wish, but that doesn't mean I have to respect what you say. You advocate a government that has the right to be intrusive into my life. But you think I should respect that opinion? Any man or woman that thinks they have rights to my body, for any reason, is advocating intrusive government. Tea party it on out of here if you want respect. Give it and you may get it. Your own posts show my thinking on the tea party is spot on. I don't listen to the media crazies. I don't watch tv. This little lady came up with her own opinion, not one told to her to use. You don't like it? tuff! I will stand next to you and fight for your right to say what you wish, but I don't agree with your ideology, and feel you are trying to fool people with your less government game. Sure less government, unless you are a woman. Then your body is fair game, aye? Sure, less government unless you are brown, black, or wearing saggy pants, or are poor, or...the list goes on and on. Go piss on someone else and tell them it is raining. I, and many here in Chattanooga, see your game for what it is, UnAmerican. That is my opinion.

Now the question comes, are you going to stand up and fight for my right to privacy? Are you going to stand up and fight for my right to privacy with my body?, meaning it is none of your business whether I am pregnant or not until a baby is born? Well don't worry, when they come for the sperm counts, I will fight for your right to privacy anyway. When a fetus is seen as a baby, and unintended pregnancies must be abortions, a penis must be an erection, and sperm are living cells as well. And typically, this is the problem with the tea party, they don't seem to understand the consequences to their actions. They do not seem to understand who and why they are being steered. They do not seem to understand any long range ramifications with their stance or push to make authoritarian laws.

The typical tea party attitude, as seen in my tea party friends and your posts, there is only one way and it is the holier than thou tea party way. You want me to respect your opinion? The tea party doesn't even respect my rights, much less my opinion. Go blow smoke up someone else's dress. It won't work here.

August 15, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
timbo said...

Walden...spoken like a true RINO. Drew just spoke the "inconvenient" truth. Real conservatives don't care if it's "helpful" or not.

I will hold my nose and vote for the Romney/Ryan ticket but I am not happy about it. The main reason is I can't stand Obama.

It is kind of sad that dislike of Obama is the main reason half of the Republicans are voting for Romney.

If the RINO's continue their dominance of the Republican party there will come a time when true conservatives will have to start their own party.

August 15, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
Walden said...

Sorry timbo. Not seeing it your way. To me, Ryan is the next Reagan. I don't know if Romney will ever be president, but I guarantee Ryan will be one day. As far as conservative bona fides, I stand second to nobody in that regard.

August 15, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
Walden said...

"It is kind of sad that dislike of Obama is the main reason half of the Republicans are voting for Romney."

What kind of moronic statement is this? Dislike of Obama and his policies is PRECISELY why anyone (R or D) should vote for Romney/Ryan.

I stand by my statement that Drew's editorial is unhelpful. Get on the right team or get off. There are two options to choose from, and we all know the better of the two. This is not the time to be casting aspersions at the conservative team.

August 15, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
gjuster said...

Just one -

Just like many of the people on the left - can't have a conversation without insults, can't have a difference of opinion, and you can't possibly be wrong. Not worth ever answering a question from you again. Unlike you - I tend to see both sides of the argument - even yours on abortion. I can actually make the argument in favor of abortion as well as you, and without making people mad.

August 15, 2012 at 1:56 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Greg, your posts show your tea party stance quite well. I went back and read them again, maybe you should to. You seem to want to show tolerance, but then stick your foot in your mouth against anything outside your box. You want respect, but don't give it. If you chose to not participate in debate, ok by me. But don't think you can come on this forum, talk your talk, and not be challenged.

August 15, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
gjuster said...

Just One

Got no problem being challenged - but I prefer not to enter into discussions with people who use insults and insulting language - and that's on both sides of the arguments. Whether I agree or not - I respect others opinions - I also realize that the chances of changing someone's opinion is very low because we come from different base values, though sometimes it happens, and that makes it worth it. Even if the changed opinion is mine.

August 15, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
tipper said...

Interesting. As I read these posts, it sounds as if the tea party wants a third party--Libertarian most likely or some statesperson reminiscent of 1950s Republicans in a 1950s or earlier style nation. What I find most confusing is this continued desire to have less government regulations in a time when those in the financial industry in harmony with a mostly fiscally conservative legislature nearly torpedoed American's pension and retirement funds in '08. Yet, the tea partiers will choose what they think is the lessor of two evils, voting almost totally against many of their proclaimed interests. And the tea party's attempt to substitute the laws of God for those made by men-the patriots it harkens back to-is not a movement but an infringement on people's privacy and their right to worship or not. No matter how many legislators the tea party shoe-horns into Congress, it will not change this country without compromising. Americans are not open to coercian. I can't take the tea party seriously unless it can stand on its own without attaching itself to the any major party and avoiding the appearance of being co-opted and potentially manipulated.

August 15, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
timbo said...

Walden....A man is his ideals. If you think it was OK for Ryan to vote the way he has voted' you are not a conservative. You are fooling yourself. You just want your "team" to win.

I would think that you should vote for someone instead of vote against the other guy if you can. Voting for people with principles and the guts to stick by them is the right thing to do. Walden, you do remember what a "right thing" is?

I usually vote third party because all we get from the Republicans are people like Bush (Big spender), McCain (the invertebrate), and now Romney/Ryan. Not exactly a conservative parade. If that makes me a "moron" in your eyes then I am OK with that.

I am hard pressed to come up with a way that people like me can look over some of the glaring votes Ryan has made. Because of Obama I have no choice but to vote the RINO ticket.

August 16, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
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