published Friday, August 17th, 2012

5-at-10: College football montage mailbag

Gang, we can feel it in the air. You can too. Prep football kicks off tonight here in Tennessee, and the Vols and the rest of the college football world go to work for real in two weeks.


Forget Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall. Around here we have Winter, Spring Summer and Football. And no matter when the equinox is, football season is here.

From PDavi

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    University of Tennessee coach Derek Dooley, right, talks with defensive lineman Darrington Sentimore during the first day of fall practice Friday, Aug. 3, 2012 in Knoxville, Tenn. The Vols open the season Aug. 31 in the Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game with North Carolina State in Atlanta.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Hey 5 at 10, I'm planing on making a lot of money on the Vols this upcoming football season. Which way should I bet in order to do so?

Great question.

Couple of points here before we answer.

We have a long and occasionally rich history with sports wagering. Allegedly.

We have made the occasional run, especially in college football. Allegedly.

We were smoking hot last year picking games — we went 58-29-2 against the spread last year, and were 57-21-2 in games that did not involve Clemson. (Stupid Clemson.) This was for entertainment purposes only.

As we start corralling our investment strategery for the upcoming months, let's review what proved to be fruitful last fall.

We shared in the success Alabama, LSU and Oklahoma State enjoyed (together those three were 27-10 against the spread). We realized that Beamer ball at Virginia Tech was about winning games and not covering spreads (the Hokies were 10-3 overall and 4-9 against the number).

As we speed into this season, here's some of the things we like:

— Alabama is going to be involved in some games that are higher scoring than they are used to, especially early.

— Arkansas is going to score a lot of points.

— We think Pirate Lane Kiffin and the Trojans are going to look to light some folks up. (Back when we were allegedly picking games more frequently, we loved taking Steve Spurrier's Gators regardless of the number because he was good for an extra 10 points a game. We believe Kiffin and Co. will have a similar view.)

As for your question, and we know who you root for and what you're hoping we'll say, let's go with this. We can advise the smart play, at this moment, for almost all of the Vols games this year is taking the over. UT opened as a 6.5-point favorite over N.C. State, which returns the most experienced offensive line in the ACC, a 3,000-yard passer and the nation's top defensive back. That line screams scary. But with Tyler Bray and his slew of receivers, we'd gladly go over 60, and believe the total will be closer to 53.

It's here. It's all happening.

From CelticVol

Hey 5@10,

I’m full of questions for you this week. I’d like for you to compare the recruiting styles of Derek Dooley and Phillip Fulmer. Do you think Dooley recruits smarter kids? Did Fulmer tend to recruit more risky, on the borderline kids? What were your thoughts on news out of Foley, Alabama that an Alabama assistant coach has been trying to get a player from a Florida high school to transfer to Foley High School in order to improve his chances of academically qualifying? Also, do you think Jalen Reeves-Maybin's commitment to Tennessee last week will have any kind of factor in whether or not Jalen Ramsey stays committed to USC?

Wow, you unloaded an entire mailbag in one e-mail. Well-played, sir.

Alright let's break them down in order:

— Recruiting styles of Derek Dooley and Phillip Fulmer: Recruiting is a different arena today than it was five years ago, and is hugely different than it was a decade ago when Fulmer was one of the nation's best. Fulmer was a great closer and was one of the Kings of the living room, a moniker earned by closing the deal over dinners with mommas. Dooley and his staff do not embrace the traditional recruiting approaches that Fulmer mastered, and that's OK. Saban doesn't do the old-school way, either, and Saban's the best recruiter this side of that Uncle Sam poster that says, "I Want You." Dooley's process is more calculating and distant, but in an age where players are everywhere and more technologically adept than ever, phone calls are not enough any more.

— No football coach is trying to recruit "smarter" kids. They want football players that can help them win and stay eligible, in that order. (If any one thinks that order is backward, know that Spy was a physics major in college and he got exactly ZERO football offers.) That said, with the turnover and attrition on the roster Dooley faced in his two years, he could not afford many eligibility misses during the recruiting process. As for Fulmer, we believe that in the final years of his career, he may have reached a little on some guys, but of all the things some of his detractors (we're not anti-Fulmer at all by the way) can rightfully say, it's hard to knock Fulmer's career as a recruiter.

— There seems to be more and more high school football stars transferring before their senior seasons. Reuben Foster, the nation's No. 2 ranked player, transferred to Auburn High before changing his commitment from Alabama to Auburn. Darius Page is one of the nation's top prep linemen and he has transferred to Foley High. The same place D.J. Fluker, current Alabama All-American candidate, transferred to before his senior year in high school. On its face, we can understand any high school senior doing whatever it takes to become eligible for college. That said, it certainly seems fishy and we're wondering if the NCAA can do anything about it when the moves are happening on the high school level.

— We think Jalen Ramsey is locked and loaded for USC. That is unless the scholarship-strapped Trojans find a better player. (USC can only sign 15 or so, and they already are right at that number.) Getting Jalen Reeves-Maybin — who friend of the show Brad Shepard simply calls "The Hyphen" — was strong for Dooley. We always thought the best way to avoid the hot seat was win games (duh). The second best way is to recruit like crazy. If Dooley had a top-10 class in tow right now, his seat would be far less warm because a coaching change could wreck a potentially great recruiting class. We'll have plenty of time to break down this Vols class, but as we head toward the start of the season, Dooley needs to land a couple of big fish: Vonn Bell is one of them; and Derrick Green would be H-U-G-E.

From BarryC

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    Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o models the new uniforms during the team's NCAA college fotoball media day, Thursday, Aug. 16, 2012 in South Bend, Ind. Notre Dame will wear the new uniforms Oct. 6 in their game with Miami at Solider Field in Chicago.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Notre Dame released their Shamrock series uniforms for the game against Miami in Chicago. Hideous. I wondered if Bama or Tenn or anyone with any pride left is considering selling their souls for Adidas or whoever.

Thanks for the question and for stopping by. Here's another look at Notre Dame's aforementioned uniforms.

Gross. Seriously. They're not as bad as those awful things Georgia wore in the Dome against Boise State last year, but they're close. Wow. Our eyes are bleeding.

And before we praise the Tide, Alabama broke out some Nike Combat uniforms a couple of years ago with the houndstooth in the numerals. It was actually the most understated and cool thing Nike has done since those old-school white Nikes with the red swoosh and the triangle treads.

The uniform craze has touched everyone, and there is a growing notion that changing the uniforms will help sell big-name recruits. We don't believe that — changing uniforms is done to help sell different jerseys. Period.

In fact, this summer did a cool survey of 80 of the top college football prospects in the class of 2013 and one of the questions was, "What is the most overrated aspect of recruiting?" The results may shock you: Winning tradition: 19 votes; Jerseys/uniforms/school colors: 9; Facilities: 7.

We hope Tennessee does not go all crazy with Orange helmets and all-black uniforms and become the Volunteer Jack O'Laterns. But in an age of buzz, and in a time when athletic programs have to find new revenue streams, if they do, they do. (We just pray no one ever touches Auburn's uniforms.)

From Todd962

Jay, I have a suggestion for you. I was flipping through the on demand of my television provider and saw that they had all the Rocky movies available. After canceling all my plans for the next fifteen hours, I got to thinking about all the sweet 80's montages. What are your top five movie montage scenes? You could even focus it to sports if you wanted. Everyone loves a good training montage.

"In anything, if you want to go

From a beginner to a pro

You need a montage.


Mr. 962,

Wow. Excellent question.

We have wrestled with this in free moments for the better part of the last couple of days.

There are so many ways to go. We think we need a serious and we need a less-than serious/cheesy and we need a sports category if just because it was such a staple in the sports movie world since it allowed the director to encapsulate the season without spending time on every game. That said, before we get going too deep on this, none of the Rocky movies are eligible for two reasons. First, they would consume a majority of the lists. And second, which one would be No. 1? (We'd pick the Russia training scenes in Rocky IV, but then you have the L.A. "Eye of the Tiger" scenes in Rocky III. The L.A. scenes certainly lose points because that montage is consummated by the single dorkiest hug in movie history when Rocky and Apollo embrace in the surf after their beach race. It's an awkward blend of "Chariots of Fire," "The Birdcage" and "The White Shadow" TV show since Rocky and Apollo are wearing shorts so tight John Stockton would say, "Dang, them some tight shorts." ... Where were we?)


1) Hoosiers: As with most sports movie lists, "Hoosiers" can generally be found at the top. The highlight montage was a must — and excellently done —after Huskers landed Jimmy Chitwood, and stopped that ignorant four-passes-before-you-shoot stuff. Seriously, once Jimmy got there Coach Dale and the Huskers became the early 1990s UNLV and started running' and gunnin' a little bit.

2) Teen Wolf: Oh Scotty.

3) Karate Kid: If for no other reason than the song playing in the back ground was "You're the best around..." God bless you Daniel LaRusso.

4) Rudy: Sneaky great montage. In truth, since we all knew Rudy's story going in, we could have montaged a lot more of this one and had like a 43-minute movie and called it a day.

5) Major League: When the Indians hit their stride, it's cool. Only bad thing here is that the montage meant less Bob Uecker/Harry Doyle. Not cool.

Serious (and not surprisingly most of these are gangster inspired)

1) Jimmy "The Gent" capping the crew that pulled off the Lufthansa heist in "Goodfellas" with Clapton strumming in the background. Excellent all around.

2) Michael settling all the family BID-ness at the end of "The Godfather."

3) Julia Roberts' shopping spree in "Pretty Woman." This one is capped with a strong one-liner when she asks the sales woman that was rude about being paid on commission. (Side note: We have warning labels on records and are understandably worried about the influence of violence on young eyes, but we're OK with the Cinderella story with a hooker? Whatever.)

4) Tony's rise to power in "Scarface."

5) Ferris Bueller's museum montage. And this is for our friend Cameron Spy, who says he hasn't seen anything good today.


1) "Dirty Dancing" training session. Hey, we love Swayze — "Wolverines!" — but this was the movie version of the late end of M-A-S-H. Johnny from Dirty Dancin' and the final three seasons of Hawkeye Pierce set manhood back a decade. At least.

2) Footloose. See above, just add the thin tie and the spiked hair.

3) Over the Top. Which some consider this a sports movie but then remember it's Sly Stallone being the trucker/arm-wrestling version of Rocky Balboa. Major cheese bonus for having Kenny Loggins singing the theme song.

4) The dance montage in "Breakin'" — which is only slightly better than the dance montage in "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo." (Where does "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo" rank on sequel names that are awesome in their awesomeness. We say second since Rambo was actually a sequel but it dominated so much it became the entire franchise. There was "First Blood," "Rambo" and "Rambo III," in that order. That's a boss sequel, considering the third movie took the sequel's name.)

5) OK, we have to include "Rocky III." See above and know that if Rocky and Apollo ever ended up getting an apartment together in New Hampshire (not that there's anything wrong with that) it all started on the beach in L.A. before the Clubber Lang rematch.

Thanks, 962, for wasting a solid three hours of my week. Great question. We're not exactly sure how we made it through without a single Jean Claude Van Damme reference, but it happened. So it goes.


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    This April 16, 2011, file photo shows Sebastian the Ibis, the Miami Hurricanes' mascot, leading the team on to the field for a spring NCAA college football game, at Lockhart Stadium in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

A college football list, which programs are most likely to get the hammer in the next couple of years. Or the hammer and sickle, the way some at the college in Pennsylvania State perceive it.

We'd like to start by saying congrats on this week's winning entry about Platoon's glory as an ensemble cast. Well-played indeed sir. And we're going to have an ensemble cast playoff sometime before we kick the college season into gear (we lost track of time this week).

We think the Miami Hurricanes are about the be in the eye of the storm. The NCAA will deliver something worse than what USC got but not the big bomb, which from this day forward will be known as the Nittany Nuke. That's already in the works.

As for a top-five list, hey, we're game:

1) Miami (See above).

2) Oregon — The Willie Lyles situation has fallen off the radar, but when one booster (Nike) is that connected to a school there can be trouble.

3) Arkansas — This is a complete hunch, but when the bad news starts and reporters and NCAA investigators start looking around, trouble can be found. World class humanitarian Bobby Petrino peeled back the curtain.

4) Montana — The Alabama of FCS is in a world of filth muck. It's seedy and gross and could get bad. It also screams of a football culture that needs an attitude adjustment.

5) USC — Anywhere Ed Orgeron is, the NCAA is not that far behind.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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BIspy4 said...

5, that car company that uses the piano solo from "Layla" in its ad makes me think of not cars but of Carbone being frozen so solid it took a week to thaw him out.

August 17, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Cameron Spy —

That's how great that montage is — it takes a classic song and totally is the face of it.

Layla. Heck, it should be called "Now we Layla bunch of wise guys to sleep."

And the answer to the question is yes, we talk/type ENTIRELY too much.

— 5-at-10

August 17, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
chas9 said...

Hooker is such a harsh word.

Ferris Buehler's anything is golden. Other good montages were in Ghostbusters, Revenge of the Nerds, Groundhog Day, Blowup, Thelma and Louise, Midnight Cowboy, Elvira Madigan, Butch Cassidy, Casablanca, The Artist, It's a Wonderful Life, and South Park's Asspen episode.

Is Bo Derek slo-mo jogging on the beach in "10" a montage? And ab-so-lutely two boxers groping each other in the surf deserves the ultimate raspberry award.

Unless you're South Pittsburg, stay away from orange and black. Please.

C-Vol's topic on marginal players reminds me of an all-cast-off team I saw the other day. It would be very competitive. It was on Brian Fisher's blog "eye on college sports" a week ago.

August 17, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
jomo11 said...

I think the recruiting styles of Dooley vs. Fulmer are this : Dooley is signing 3 star players, Fulmer signed 4 stars . . ..pretty simple really and a recipe for disaster. Some of the early commits that Dooley is getting are the kind of players the Vols could get on the last week of recruiting. Doesnt look like Dooley is signing those future NFL guys like Fulmer got

August 17, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show BlueOval

You and your team did a wonderful job putting together the Blitz. Kudos all the way around!

Wish I could go to the Signal-East Hamilton game tonight. That should be a good one.

August 17, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.
fechancellor said...

10 Ring, Rocky III also sports a 50 second montage of Clubber Lang training for the first fight.

Not in the same class with Goodfellas (my gal at the time was totally put off by the violence and mayhem) is Casino, which features one montage after another.

August 17, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
Todd962 said...

Good googily moogily. Well done Jay. In hindsight we could have unloaded the montage question on you at a better time, but you delivered wonderfully inspite of the hectic schedule and no sleep. I like how you acknowledged that you were shocked that no JCVD movies made it in because I scrolled through quickly and was disappointed to see no mention of Bloodsport. I may just have an unhealthy obsession with that movie.

It was one of four movies that sat unclaimed atop the DVD player in our fraternity house. Those four movies played on loop, interchanging every few days if no one was watching tv. As we walked by the living room on our way to class each day, the outcome of our day was very dependant on which movie was playing. More often than not we never made it to class and spent the rest of the day either drinking white russians(Big Lebowski), drinking beer and planning our trip to Europe that we never took(Eurotrip), drinking more beer and pondering if we could chug a handle of Jack and survive(Animal House), or working on our roundhouse kicks and thinking about if Chong Li wore a bra when he wasnt fighting(Bloodsport). Its a wonder we didnt do better in school.

Cheesy top five you could add "Team America: World Police." Montages of puppets singing about montages would be the background montage music for the top montage list....montage.

And now "Push it to the limit" will be accompanying me in my head all day long as I "walk along the razor's edge." Lovely.

August 17, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
chas9 said...

PDavi--Jerry Palm has UT playing Houston in the Liberty Bowl as the SEC 8/9 team. I'd guess that means about a 7-5 season.

Pussy Piot will spend two years in the slammer. Of course, they may have to let 'em out sooner, 'cause they WILL ROCK the joint.

Jay, you've worked hard. Take the rest of the day off. Jimmy can handle it.

August 17, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Some overall good letters this week.

To add-on BarryC's take on college jerseys and jgreeson's response, both hit the nail on the head by referencing the two biggest WTFs in SEC jerseys: Georgia's "XFL" wannabe uniforms and the Vol-O-Lantern ones (they reminded me too much of that nasty peanut butter-like candy you got in the orange and black wrappers that cheap houses gave out on Halloween). I'm not a fan of ND but messing with those golden helmets is just..wrong.

At least the jerseys themselves are not as EXTREME loud as them fight'n Terps down in Maryland.

I'm okay with the occasional "throwback" uniform assuming its easy on the eyes (yeah, I'm looking at YOU Denver and your old-school Mayfield Brown Cow ice cream box look)

jgreeson- The paperwork from the Dallas office will be mailed out sometime today or tomorrow and will offer up in-depth DMN intel on SMU, UNT, TCU (the whole alphabet soup) as well as Okey-State and Red Raider country out in Lubbock.

The high school will probably come out in a couple of weeks due to the fact the first day of school in Texas is August 27th (no, that is not a typo, I actually did write August 27th). I will keep my eyes out though.

August 17, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

Call 'em as we see 'em.

And great list of montages. And we're remiss we did not include "It's a Wonderful Life," one of overall favorite movies ever.

And there's too much to do to take the rest of the day. That said, we're not covering Friday night football tonight so we can take the Mrs. 5-at-10 for a belated birthday dinner.

Jomo —

No Dooley is not landing the upper 4-star kids that Dooley did, but this will be a big year in a lot of ways in K-Town. They are on the finalists list for a lot of kids and if the Vols have a good year and Dooley's seat cools some, they could close quickly.

FE to the C —

Clubber was a bad dude. And we enjoyed all the gangster movies, although you can't even type Casino without thinking of a cuss word. If you had a Casino drinking game and took a swig of beer every time Pesci cusses, you be drunk after the credits. And if you made to the end, you'd blow a .58.

962 —

We enjoyed Bloodsport, too. And other than Jean's re-DONK-ulous montage the overwhelming image is Chong Li's moobs. Dude could bounce those things like he was playing jacks. Sweet puppies, he has to be the baddest guy on the planet who knows EXACTLY what women feel like when guys stare at their chest. It's mesmerizing.

And we had a similar loop at the Beta House in Auburn. Only the titles were different, save Animal House of course. "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Run JMC —

They need to allow every team one game a year in which you can where potato sacks if you want. After that, wear the school colors and move along.

Will be on the look out for the paper packages.

— 5-at-10

August 17, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
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