published Tuesday, August 28th, 2012

5-at-10: Second chances offered and spent

Gang, it's here. It's all happening. We are talking nothing but football and a little this and that. Remember about Friday's mailbag

From the talks too much studios, here we go.


Before we get to our college football list, there are a few things the 5-at-10 loves. We love the draft. You know this. We loved pretend Al Davis. And we miss him. We're also really fond of theme shows.

Our theme today is second chances.


Top five second-chance stories in college football this year

1) Zach Mettenberger, LSU — The former UGA quarterback got in trouble off the field, left Athens for junior college and has landed in the driver's seat of one of the nation's best teams. If he plays well, the sky is the limit for the Tigers. And for him.

2) Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina and Knile Davis, Arkansas — Two stud running backs coming back from season-ending injuries.

3) Arthur Brown, Kansas State — Arguably the nation's top sideline-to-sideline linebacker, Brown has made the most of his chance with the Wildcats after leaving Miami. Here's saying he finishes his career in Manhatten strong.

4) Charlie Weis, Kansas — We have discussed previously how Weis has certainly helped the economy in Lawrence. After a less than impressive run on the field and a bristly run off it with Notre Dame, how Weis handles all aspects of being a college head coach this time around will be interesting.

5) Robert Marve, Purdue — The 23-year-old quarterback who transferred from Miami got a rare sixth year of eligibility. He's suffered through two knee injuries and been part of a a recruiting scandal with the Hurricanes.


Young at heart

The Buffalo Bills released Vince Young on Monday.


It's somewhat staggering to believe. Think back four years ago. A short four years, and the overwhelming change from then to now.

OK, Michael Phelps was still the Don Corleone of Olympic studness.

But Vince Young was 18 months removed from winning the national championship at Texas in arguably the best college football game not involving an SEC team. Young was the NFL offensive rookie of the year in 2006, led the Titans to the playoffs in 2007 and seemed destined to be the next big thing.

Move south, and the Atlanta Falcons were dealing with the fallout from the Mike Vick dog fighting scandal and the aftermath of Bobby Petrino's less-than-memorable 13-game run as an NFL head coach.

Tennessee had Young and was coming off a 10-6 mark with one of the more respected coaches in the league in Jeff Fisher.

Atlanta had drafted Matt Ryan and was coming off a 4-12 mark and had just hired Mike Smith.

And now, four short years later, the Titans have been completely remade. And Young is out of the league, possibly for good.

Young has battled with coaches and his emotions. He famously left the Titans for a short period a few years ago, and it prompted worries about suicide, and he infamously threw his pads in the stands in a fit of childishness that sealed his fate and time in Nashville.

And Ryan has flourished, winning 43 games in his four years as a starter.

Young has wasted a couple of extra chances — the Bills were his third team in 20 months — and it's anyone's guess whether he'll be back.

Ryan is going nowhere anytime soon. In fact, he's on the short list of folks that we'll all-but-guarantee will retire having played for only one team.


Da'Rick lands in Cookeville — aka Chatta-North

Da'Rick Rogers, the dismissed former Tennessee Vol wide receiver, has joined the Tennessee Tech football program.

The former Calhoun High star, who is the highest-rated area prospect in the era, will try to replace former Red Bank star and Tech standout Tim Benford, who had 3,097 yards and 27 touchdowns in his 216 catches during his standout career with Golden Eagles.

Rogers has all-world talent, NFL first-round talent. He's 6-foot-3 and fast and physical. He was an All-SEC player last year and was projected to match that achievement again.

The Da'Rick got in Da'Rick's way.

He stands at a crossroad, the salvation offered by Watson Brown and Tennessee Tech meshed with the stakes that failure at Cookeville and the wasted second chance could be a dangerous double strike in the eyes of NFL people.

''We've met with Da'Rick, and he understands our expectations,'' Brown said plainly Monday.

Rogers got this second chance in part because of the Calhoun-connection. Tre Lamb, the Tech quarterback, played with Rogers at Calhoun, as did running back Adam Urbano for Hal Lamb, Tre's pop.

No one knows Rogers' future, but he should embrace the chance at present. Hopefully, the talented receiver will look to be more like Benford, who has made a splash with Dallas despite not getting drafted last April, as opposed to Dez Bryant, the Cowboys' former first-rounder who has a three-person security detail provided by the Cowboys in an effort to keep Bryant out of trouble.

There are second chances in life, and we all need them. How we use them — or waste them — can be as defining as the reasons why we needed the second chance in the first place.


This and that

— Speaking of second chances, here's another opportunity to sign up an play "Can you beat Jay?" our SEC football picking contest. Here's the link — — and, hey, as Bluto says in Animal House, "don't cost nothin'."

— The Braves were stuffed 3-0 by the Padres and 22-year-old rookie right-hander Casey Kelly, who fanned four and allowed three hits in six scoreless innings to win his big-league debut. And if Casey Kelly's name sound familiar around these parts, he was a UT football commit as a quarterback coming out of high school in 2008 before being drafted by the Boston Red Sox. Kelly was the only QB commit in that class, which included Herman Lathers and Prentiss Waggner. It was not a good class, unless of course you're talking about the best college football recruiting classes that included big-league pitchers.

— Want to know how one recruiting class can change the direction of a program? That 2008 Vols class ranked No. 35 in the country and the top-ranked players were Gerald Williams, the late Aaron Douglas, Marlon Walls and E.J. Abrhams-Ward. Alabama had the top recruiting class in the country that year. It was a haul that completely reshaped the Tide and included seven players taken in the first two rounds of the NFL draft, and two more that will be. The NFL draft picks are Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, Mark Barron, Marcel Dareus, Dont'a Hightower, Terrence Cody and Courtney Upshaw. Safety Robert Lester and All-American offensive lineman Barrett Jones will join them next spring. Forget computer rankings — although the folks nailed this ratings since the Tide class was far and away No. 1 — a recruiting class that produces nine — NINE times... GRACE — draft picks in the top two or three rounds is staggering. Best recruiting class ever.

— Programming note: We're planning on stopping by the 102.3 studios today for SportTalk this evening about 5 p.m., and we'll make our regularly scheduled appearances Thursday afternoon with Chris Goforth around 2 p.m. on 1370 AM and Friday evening again with Quake and Co. on 102.3 around 6:20 before high school football.


Today's question

Free flow Tuesday.

Bring it.

What game are you most excited about this weekend?

Are you signed up to play "Can you beat Jay?"

Any ideas for the next contest?

Is there a worse timed event than the U.S. Open tennis tournament?

Discuss, and remember the mailbag Friday.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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chas9 said...

Unless Isaac suddenly strengthens, LS&U's bout with The Mean Greenies has no worries, but Missouri's Saturday game could be really drenched. They don't have a domed stadium, do they?

Nobody cares about roundball this week, but lovable tub-o-lard Rick Majerus may have missed his last chance to lose to Kentucky again.

Enjoyed Mark's Sunday column on BJ's life with The Packers, particularly BJ's relationship with Cobb. Cobb and another Cat, punter Masthay, are doing rather well in the land of cheeseheads, and I hope BJ can stick with them. What a great atmosphere.

I hope you're right that Ryan will be a one-team lifer, and too bad Favre wasn't, too. Am I right in thinking The Titans have had more than their share of bad actors/head cases?

Only worse timed event than the tennis Open is the Republican National Convention.

August 28, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
chas9 said...

Question for Friday: Is that really a fried chicken tattoo on your butt?

August 28, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

With no SC-Vandy game on the docket for the "Can You Beat Jay?" contest, it's a reasonably easy week. Really only four games even on the radar- UK-UofL, Bama-Mich, Clem-Aub, and UT-NCSU.

Should be a great weekend. Looking forward to it. It's all happening!

I maintain that they should do a drawing at the end of the regular season of everyone who beat you for the year for a pair of SEC Championship Game tickets.....not that I will win (I never win these things).

August 28, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Most excited football game (COMPLETE..NO...BRAINER): Mocs vs. Bulls in Tampa. I know its a longshot but I sense a strong feeling in the Force of a possible upset. South Florida, while a I-A team, is not Alabama, Auburn, or Nebraska. Unfortunately, they are not UAB or North Texas either. It will be an interesting match-up.

I was offered overtime at my "real" job for an early Saturday shift. The dress code is very relaxed for weekend shifts so I plan on wearing my UTC jersey with BJ, Coach Huesman and Blue Coopers John Handcocks on them...Among the sea of burnt orange, aggie maroon, and cowboy blue, gray, and white that will be covering the ditizens of the metroplex this Saturday (along with Ranger red).

Since Tennessee is playing a rare game on Friday, I will be wearing my Tennessee orange golf shirt (yes, I own one) on casual Friday.

No desire to play "beat Jay" because I only follow two programs (see above)*.

No ideas for any new contests regarding sports..sorry.

*May follow an SMU or UNT game time when available.

August 28, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
Stewwie said...

I think the consensus best weekend in sports is Masters weekend (right?). My personal favorite, however, is the weekend after Labor Day. That is NFL's opening weekend, Week 2 of college football, and the semis and final of the U.S. Open. A football and tennis fan such as myself has plenty to watch and enjoy that weekend. And yes, multiple TVs are utilized as well.

Top 5 games I am excited about for this weekend:

  1. Mocs at South Florida (JMC, can ya feel me?)
  2. Alabama vs. Michigan
  3. TN vs. NCST (this one can easily go either way)
  4. Auburn vs. Clemson
  5. Boise St. vs. Michigan St.

It will be something different/unique waking up Saturday morning and seeing a game starting...Navy vs. Notre Dame in Ireland at 9am.

August 28, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

Does little Jordan Rodgers get a second chance after "that" picture? He/she would have a hard time getting on the day shift at Tattletales.

Would Bobby Petrino ever get (another) second chance? All that's going through my mind is the song "Poison." Because that's what he is.

Casey Kelly ... traded for Adrian Gonzalez ... who was then traded for the former player known as James Loney and some prospects, including what may turn out to be a guy whose name looks like it should you get in trouble if you tried to do that but instead it's pronounced like a precious stone. (That would be Rubby. But it's pronounced Ruby. Bring your fastball, but not your love, to town, Rubby. Or Ruby. Pool and a pond).

As far Large Charles in Charge, offense was never the problem for the Golden Domers. But defensively ... yeech.

August 28, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

chas9- heard on WGOW via Internet streaming BJ made the next to final cut before they get to the 54-man roster.

Stewwie wrote-

"Mocs at South Florida (JMC, can ya feel me?)"

See previous post.

August 28, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
fechancellor said...

Ripped from the front page, what to make of the religious controversy Ridgeland High? 10 Spot, in you years in the sports reporting bidness have your run up on a simular fracus? If so, how was it resolved?

A simple solution is as plain as the change in anyone's pocket--"In God We Trust"--or as now well settled law that established once and for all the Constitutional basis for the Pledge of Allegiance with its language of "...One nation under God with liberty and justice for all."

August 28, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
patrickd said...

Jay, I heard Derek Dooley's taking Mark Mariakis' spot next year at Ridgeland. Any truth to that?

August 28, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

Here's my scenario for next spring's NFL draft. I know how much the Jayster loves the draft.

Da'Rick plays one year at TN Tech, blows up the OVC record book and is taken in the first round by the Cowboys for piles of cash. The 'Boys immediately hire 3 more guys named Guido, Carlo and Vito to follow Rogers around ala Dez Bryant to save him from himself. It's a win for the Cowboys and Michael and Sonny's "family." Now that would be deal he couldn't refuse.

August 28, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

You say Isaac, and we're thinking the smooth operator behind the bar on the S.S. Love Boat — played deftly by Ted Washington of course (not to be confused with Joe Washington, the bespectacled running back who is not be confused with Joe Namath, the legendary QB who wanted to make a stop on the S.S. Suzy Kolber).

And we talked with Quake about this yesterday, one of the great things about "The Love Boat" was trying to match which guest stars each week would hook up with the others. And it being in the mid-to-late-1970s if there was ever a black female guest star, odds were good that Isaac was in BID-ness.

Yes, we should have mentioned Weeds' column on B.J. It was excellent.

And we can answer your question now — Of course it is. Everyone has tattoo of a fried chicken on their tuckus, right?

Run JMC —

We know you're stoked about the Mocs. And you may be the first full-fledged Mocs fan we've heard of that does not loath UT. Well done.

We were talking with UTC football ace John Frierson this morning, and we believe UTC is going to give South Florida a better game than most expect. Call it a hunch.

Stuck —

That’s not a bad idea.

I actually really like South Carolina (laying the points) on Thursday. Also think Louisville is too much for UK and Alabama has a little something in store for Mr. Robinson.

That said, I am at a loss on Clemson-Auburn and Tennessee-NC State (although the over/under of 62 looks mighty high).

August 28, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Johnny P —

We love the draft. You know this.

We love that scenario.

We'll even go one better. Jerry and the NFL leave it at three guys that have to follow Dez AND David Ricky. And they all live in the same house. And it's broadcasted live, 24-7, on the NFL network.

Call it Real Trouble. And pay us now.

That show would print money.

— 5-at-10

(Back in a few, have to do some BID-ness.)

August 28, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
chas9 said...

How about this contest?

Q1--How many passes will UT QBs complete Friday?

Q2--How many passes will NC State QBs complete Friday?

Q3--How many interceptions will the Wolfpack rack up?

Tiebreaker--How many total passing yards will the two teams rack up?

JMC--Good news about BJ.

August 28, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Stew —

We're more excited about this start of college football than we have in a while. Not sure why per se, but we are.

It may be the fact there are some nice match-ups this weekend, and whoever brought up the 9 a.m. Notre Dame-Navy kick, yes it's going to be a full day.

Side note as a handicapper — the 9 a.m. kick has to be an edge for Navy, right? What other college kids are doing more by 9 a.m. than the Midshipmen or the Cadets?

Spy —

Which Poison is running through your head the group Poison as in Bret Michaels and Rock of Love or the song "Poison" Bell Biv DeVoe with the great line, "Never trust a big butt and a smile" from the early 1990s?

Rodgers got props for us for dressing up like a cheerleader. Dude was playing the game.

And yes, Booby P. will get another swing. Dude can flat-out call football plays.

FE to the C —

Ripped from the headlines? Where's your "Law & Order" dum-dum?

P-Davi —

Not sure. Let's pray on it.

— 5-at-10

August 28, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

jgreeson wrote-

"And you may be the first full-fledged Mocs fan we've heard of that does not loath UT. Well done"

I admit I have my reservations regarding Mother Knoxville. However, I'm not as contempt as some of the people I've interacted with from the Mocs Club during the two bus trips I've made to away games. As local Mocs fan and radio host Tom "Wally Witkowski" Borden would say though "What's said on the bus, st-st-st-stays on the bus."

I also believe that in reality Mother Knoxville has 100,000 (libel edit) and really do no need my support full-time as suppose to my ala mater's fanbase.

I've been a Vols fan (on and off) since fifth or sixth grade back even when Johnny Majors couldn't win a game to save his life and I got blowback in elementary school from my Alabama and Georgia fan classmates. I converted to a full-time Mocs fan in part to one of my mentors Dr. Joe Trahan whose no longer at UTC (really long story). But my grandfather (mom's side) actually played for General Neyland himself (hince the family ties to the school).

One last thing, I did have a hard stance for a few years against Mother Knoxville during my student days when it appeared we were always going to get the cookie crumbs of whatever the UT "System" gave us. However, 615 McCallie Ave has been getting there much overdue updates so I've sense softened my stance and will dawn the orange and white on occasion. But Blue and Gold will always take presidence.

August 28, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.
Stewwie said...

JMC, we must have been commenting at the same time. I'm pumped about the game. If the D can get a turnover or two and keep the score down, we have a shot. Huesman is keeping the QB starter a secret until Saturday. I think he ought to start Terrell this game because of his prior experience. However, Jacob has looked good to this point and should do just as well as Terrell in this offense.

Looking forward to Pasquali's Pix and Jay's Clicker Alerts this season. Hilarious rant last year, Jay, about announcers that have overused "Dialing up pressure." Can't remember if you listed any other overused/annoying phrases. If not, what are the top 5 being used today?

August 28, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Man, gotta be Bell Biv Devoe.

August 28, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

John_Proctor wrote-

"Da'Rick plays one year at TN Tech, blows up the OVC record book and is taken in the first round by the Cowboys for piles of cash. The 'Boys immediately hire 3 more guys named Guido, Carlo and Vito to follow Rogers around ala Dez Bryant to save him from himself. It's a win for the Cowboys and Michael and Sonny's "family." Now that would be deal he couldn't refuse."

I would agree with this wholeheartly except Emperor Jones down here has reservations regarding such an investment.

After prior "drama issues" with Pac-Man, T.O., and now Bryant, and no post-season action to show for it, Jerry is now very reluctent to invest in anymore talented drama queens. I don't want to say he's going the Coach Huesman route of picking-up players to slowly season for potential greatness, but he's definitely not jumping on the first high maintenence player for a "win-at-all-costs" like before. At least, that's the discussion around the DFW dinner table.

August 28, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
jgreeson said...


We're down with that.

And strong point about the Dallas CowJerrys trying to stay a little more on the straight and narrow.

Stew-bert —

We believe Terrell will be the guy that takes the field first Saturday. Nothing inside and nothing more than a hunch, but that's our view. We can all agree that we believe they both will play, though.

If the Mocs can find some playmakers at spots other than QB, this will be the best UTC football in our 10-plus years here.

We have had our fill of a few preseason cliches — if we hear "video-game numbers" one more time, we're throwing our remote through the TV and sending the bill to Todd Blackledge. We'll share the rest in the mailbag. Deal? Deal.

Had forgotten about the clicker alerts. We'll have to get those ready for Friday.

Man, we turn our head and someone started football season and we got busy.

Spy —


— 5-at-10

August 28, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Wasn't Gerald Riggs also rated the maximum on Rivals, 6.1/5 stars?

August 28, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Laughing —

Mr. Riggs was a 5,000-star prospect too. Just like David Ricky.

Gerald was the nation's 12-th ranked prospect; David Ricky was No. 9 in the country.

No. 1 in Gerald's class was Vince Young; No. 1 in David Ricky's class was Ronald Powell.

Gerald was one place ahead of Rod Wright; David Ricky was one place ahead of Marcus Lattimore.

August 28, 2012 at 4:02 p.m.
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