published Thursday, December 6th, 2012

5-at-10: Coaching search command center 2.0

OK, we're still holed up, waiting for closure to the strangest coaching search in recent memory. We've re-stocked on staples and canned goods — we had to switch from the hot sauce and vienna sausages, which can have sour effects on a stomach if taken in mass; think Blazing Saddles and Mr. Taggart — and are ready for the next round of the coaching craziness.

Remember Friday's mailbag and from the "Talks too much" studio that has moved inside the coach search command center, let's be Strong today...

What now Johnny Vols Fans?

OK, on a day when the lure of the UT job and coaching on a prime-time stage in the nation's best conference, wasn't enough to lure a successful football coach from a basketball school, what are we to think?

Is this job too tough?

Is the climb too steep?

Is all the singing and dancing and hair-pulling and refresh-button hitting a giant smokescreen?

Is there a Santa Clause?

Well, as UT coach search hits Day 18 — and sweet buckets of used calendars and daytimers, this search feels like it's happening in dog years and has lasted seven times that long — let's explore those questions:

Is this job too tough? Lord no. This job offers the chance to be a legend. The coach that turns the Orange fortune — and this tide will turn if for no other reason than UT football is too big to fail over the long term — will be just this side of Gen. Neyland in UT football lore. The resources are too great, and anyone who thinks this job is too tough is someone we don't want any way. And sweet buckets can we all agree to avoid the, "Well, he inherited a mess" mumbo-jumbo that sadly became the battle cry for the Dooley regime. Did Dooley inherit a mess? Sure, he did, but that became the focal point of his stature and tenure. We all recognize UT has stunk the last five years, but those are the exceptions not the expectations of Tennessee football. Is it a mess? Yes, but let's acknowledge that and rather than focus on that and let's focus on fixing it. And it starts with finding a stud duck.

Is the climb too steep? It's pretty steep: Tennessee's current struggles x current awesomeness of the SEC + win-from-Day-1 mentality = TALL ORDER. It's steep enough that the over-the-top coin UT is offering and the cold feet of some candidates can be understood. But, again, those coaches that think this is too tough are doing UT a favor by pulling their name off the list.

Is all the singing and dancing and hair-pulling and refresh-button hitting a giant smokescreen? We believe there was some early smokescreen moves in the process. We also believe there is more game-playing in this search than we can ever remember. Be it the school, the coaches using the job to get raises or other demands, leaked and spun information to selected media outlets, agents doing the Discount Double Sexton (a move perfected by coaching-agent extreme Jimmy Sexton, in which someone floats one of his coach's names for a job, he makes moves, and somehow everyone gets a bump in pay and an extra year on the deal; more times than not, one of Sexton's other clients usually lands the opening, too). There's been a ton of shadow dancing.

Is there a Santa Clause? You bet there is. Our ace columnist Mark Wiedmer tells us here and our in-houe Speilberg, TFP videographer Patrick Smith, shows us here that there really is a Santa and he sent his Orange-clad rep to Hamilton Place on Wednesday. This will not be debated — remember, we're a family-oriented, interweb-based sports column — and while the entire football season has felt like a Christmas blevid with 10 pounds of coal in a five-pound bag, it's Christmas time and no one is saying anything bad about Santa. At least not on our watch.

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Who's next?

The 5-at-10 has followed this as closely as any coaching search in recent memory. Sure it's a huge part of our day job as the TFP Sports Editor, but the theatrics and behind-the-scenes work on this have turned it into part coaching search, part Roman tragedy, part black comedy.

The missteps of this entire process have been well-chronicled and for a guy that has done a slew of good things in his short time as the UT AD, it's implausible how poorly this has played out with Dave Hart driving this bus. Could it be part of the process, as some of the outlets that have received leaks from inside UT athletic department have alleged? Maybe. Is it a complete dumpster fire as Clay Travis calls it here? Possibly.

The truth, as in most instances, lives in the middle, with the over-rated filling of an Oreo. (Seriously, why did the cookies always get such a bum rap in the Oreo breakdown. It's not like it was filling = Jordan and cookie = Pippen; it was more filling = Karl Malone and cookie = John Stockton. Plus, they actually sell those cookies by themselves; you can't go buy "filling" in the snack machine. Where were we?)

There have been missteps — there was no way Mike Gundy was leaving Oklahoma State and Hart got played. There also have been some unfortunate bad breaks — Jimbo Fisher was never as interested as we thought he may have been — that hit the all-time crescendo Wednesday night when Charlie Strong said, "Thanks but no thanks" to UT's reported $4 million offer.

So without Strong in the mix — behind Gruden, we have said from the beginning that Strong would be the best possible hire on a lot of levels for Hart and the Vols — who's left for what was the best job out there that also looks to be the last one to be filled. Here's an updated list with what we think about each as a coach and a possible fit at UT:

Jon Gruden: A grand slam hire in terms of public approval — The Bring Jon Gruden to Tennessee Facebook page has almost 15,000 likes for crying out loud — and we believe a huge hit with recruits. If they can make this happen, it will make the monkey romancing a football that has been the public perception of this process to date all seem like business as usual.

Larry Fedora: We think "The Hat" is a good football coach and a great name for a gangster in "Good Fellas II: When Harry caps Sallie" and we also believe hiring Fedora now will be met with a collective "Huh?" from Johnny Vols Fans everywhere.

Bobby Petrino and Bobby Petrino's Baggage (they are a package deal — wait, scratch that — wait, did we just say scratch the package joke about Bobby Petrino... Oh Brother): We believe Bobby Petrino is going to win games where ever he lands. He's a football savant that is arguably the best play-caller alive. Seriously. We also believe that he'll leave where ever he lands worse off than he found it. He's done both of those things at almost every stop — winning and leaving a wake of destruction. Plus, if an AD with a football opening said at the beginning of the search, "You know what, forget it, we're going to go after Bobby Petrino and Bobby Petrino's Baggage and we're going to win right now," then we could see that. Wouldn't necessarily agree with it, but we could see that. Heck, we almost had talked ourselves into Petrino being the guy at Auburn. But for the Vols to hire him now would be paramount of the two drunkest people at the bar hooking up at 3 a.m. Yes, it could work, but the odds are long. And scary when you turn the lights on in the morning.

The 5-at-10 Throwback Plan: We threw this out there last week, but now it's looking better and better. Like Boof in "Teen Wolf" the more you see other disappointments and the more you see Boof's attributes, the better it looks. Hire Phil Fulmer. Heck, how many other Hall of Famers are on the market. He'll bring John Chavis home. Here's the cherry on top: Make part of the deal, that Kliff Klingsbury is the OC and the head-coach-in-waiting to get the job no later than the 2016 season. This plan unifies the fan base that was splintered when Fulmer was run in 2008. It gives Fulmer a final swing to fix the university he loves and leave on better terms. And it's a plan for the future. War Boof.

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Around the coaching sphere

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    Auburn offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn looks at the scoreboard during the first quarter of an NCAA college football game against Arkansas in Fayetteville, Ark., Saturday, Oct. 8, 2011. (AP Photo/April L. Brown)

We're running late, so let's get to a slew of stuff:

  • Barry Alvarez will coach Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. If the Badgers top Stanford, expect to hear a lot of "Come home Barry" clamor, not unlike the Bill Snyder return to Kansas State stuff.
  • Cal hired Sonny Dykes and his high-scoring La. Tech offense to replace Jeff Tedford. We said it last week, but Dykes picked the wrong year to have a breakout season, since UT and Auburn were the two biggest jobs on the market. There was no way UT could go back to the La. Tech well after the debacle that was Derek Dooley, who was at La. Tech before Dykes. And there was no way Auburn could go after Dykes, who has a record-setting offense under the guidance of Tony Franklin, who lasted half a season in his time as Tommy Tuberville's OC at Auburn in 2008. We think Cal made a good hire here.
  • Lost in the ups and downs of the Gus Malzahn fired the entire Auburn staff Wednesday. He cleared the deck and said he was going to hire the coordinators first. it appears there will be a chance for some of those guys to re-apply or remain, but the coordinators will be hired and then go from there. Any questions about who's driving the Gus Bus?
  • Joker Phillips was hired as a receivers coach by Will Muschamp at Florida. That's a BOOM hire.

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This and that

— Congrats to Vic Grider, the former South Pittsburg High School coach who resigned after a record-setting run with the Pirates. As all-around ace Stephen Hargis tells us here, Grider had set this season as the one to end his super-successful career two years ago.

— Kobe Bryant passed the 30,000-point plateau, becoming the youngest to do it. Is Kobe a first-team All-NBA all-timer? Magic, Jordan, Kobe or Bird at small forward, Duncan, Jabbar or Russell is pretty tough. And if that's what you have, that's potentially three guys that spent most of their time with the Lakers. Wow.

— We talked earlier this week about Ozzie Smith getting more than half a million bucks for selling his memorabilia. Well, Don Larsen's jersey from his perfect game in the World Series in 1956 drew $750K. Bobby Knight also auctioned off a ton of stuff, including his 1976 NCAA title ring from the last unbeaten team in college hoops for more than $200K.

— Derek Jeter says he'll be ready for Opening Day. Derek Jeter is so money, even Spy — a lifelong Red Sox fan — has to respect him. He doesn't have to like him, but he knows deep down in places he doesn't talk about at parties, he wants Jeter on that field. He needs Jeter on that field.

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Today's question

Here's your chance Johnny Vols Fans. Whatcha got?

OK, what's the best way to describe the Tennessee coaching search?

Who do you want now?

Use this as a venting session or a release or an idea forum for the future. We're here to help.

Discuss.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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chas9 said...

Grider to Tennessee? He's already got the orange slacks.

December 6, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

Yeah, I need Jeter and the range he has at age 38 now trying to flag down weak grounders in the hole while the statue-like ARod goes, "That's yours, 2!" Still, hating the Yankees wouldn't be the same without "The Captain" in the lineup. I mean, it would be close, but it wouldn't be the same. Now Mariano Rivera ... that's one bad dude.

Hat's off to Vic Grider. Great story by Mr. Hargis, someone who knows that program and Coach Grider very well and it shows. The word powerhouse gets tossed around too casually but it is quite fitting for what Coach Grider has done at South Pittsburg.

So, as UT's suitors continue to spurn them or strand them at the altar, all while waiting for lovely Prince Gruden to make up his mind, to whom does Big Orange turn? Would UT consider making a run at a coach who has had success in the SEC previously and probably would love coming back and sticking it to some of his former colleagues, one Tommy Tuberville of Texas Tech?

December 6, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- as you know, I dont have a dog in the UTK coach search. However, as I mentioned on here when Dooley was fired, that UTK fans need to be patient. Typically, when you fire a coach it means that not only was that coach bad, but the program will not be left in good shape. That is why so many are turning this job down. When a coach leaves for greener pastures your search is a little easier. Also, i dont know offhand, but when was UTK ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season ? I think it has been a long time, maybe you can give us that stat. My point is, it is clear that just because great facilities, big stadium, money, blah, blah there is still some serious problems with the UTK job. Saban, lack of in-state talent, unrealistic fan base, etc. . . . . .Also, now that Hart has button-holed the search to only current, successful HEAD coaches he has minimized the pool. Do you see him ( Hart ) now taking a full turn and now consider assistants, etc. ? . . .

December 6, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
mcpell3 said...

Word is that Auburn has hired Ellis Johnson to be DC. Also there are rumors that Trooper Taylor & Luper will be kept for recruiting purposes - pending the investigation of the non-enrollment of the kid with the doctored transcripts from Memphis.

Tubs would be good for UT

December 6, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
orangeguy said...

The best way to describe this search is haphazard. If Thamel's SI report is correct, UT only met with Strong in person once, and that meeting was with the chancellor, I have to question whether UT/Hart even wanted Strong. You were right on with the Gundy thing. No way he was leaving OSU.

Of the options you presented, give me Phillip Fulmer. The head coach in waiting thing rarely works out, but the idea is brilliant.

Fedora supposedly said no. The name getting some traction in KnoxVegas is 49ers OC Greg Roman. Wants a college job, has experience as a longtime NFL assistant and was on Harbaugh's staff at Stanford.

Another assistant worth a look is Clemson OC Chad Morris. Get a big time defensive coordinator to go along with him and we're cooking I think.

I hope Hart has the ace up his sleeve. But I see nothing that would make me have any hope towards that end.

Oh, and NO WAY on Petrino.

December 6, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Boy do I have some fun, fun stuff to talk about today.

Yours truly is soooo Dallanoogan, the 5 at 10 knows this. So it was interesting when I was listening to Randy Galloway in the afternoons on 103.3 ESPN (He's the Dr. B of Dallas-literally) on my way to the dentist and well.....

This guy does NOT like the SEC.

First, he and his Robin Quiver wannabe flunkies proceeded to call ALL Tennessee fans quote "The DUMBEST fanbase in all of college football". He stated that with A&M in the SEC has basically helped upped the IQs of the whole conference(hinting we were nothing but neanderthals) and praised Strong for showing some loyality towards Louisville and how disparate Tennessee must be to try to get him.

I almost called Dr. B and Quake (literally) from my celphone going down Northwest Highway to let them know what's going on (I'm soo Dallanoogan) and they need to call this clown to let them know how WE roll but what good would that do? It's not like there's a universal Dallanooga network for a verbal slamdown when the Dallas side is gording the sacred ox on the Chattanooga side.

Meanwhile...

Can someone please buy the Santa Claus at Hamilton Place a UTC santa suit? Equal time people, equal time!

December 6, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
TennFlyer said...

The Clay Travis piece is excellent, great line that cannot be used here, but will be used. Back when all this started I commented that I thought Al Golden would be the next coach. He has to be a better option than "the hat part deux". It looks like another lost year of recruiting on Rocky Top.

December 6, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- Also, it seems that all UTK fans and admin are stuck on hiring a previous HEAD coach but look at the other SEC teams, Interesting that Miss St., Georgia, Vandy, Florida and Ky all hired coaches with no head coaching experience and all but Ky, worked out . . . . just food for thought

December 6, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
Livn4life said...

5-Bone...the only way this thing works out for Hart is for him to pull a top-notch coach out of thin air. Fedora, Petrino, possibly even a Full(mer)Return,all do not count. Egg on the face unless there has been something "in the works" as some in Chatt. still seem might be on with the Gru-meister. How do I describe it? Well unless the aformentioned shows otherwise, it has been rowing in circles with only one paddle in the water. It "feels" almost like...well the one paddle job by Mike Hamilton a few years back and that is merely adrift. My contention all along was it would be ludicrous to dismiss the 5 million dollar kid(Coach Dooley)unless there was a pretty much in the bag head coach in waiting. Unless...there are a lot of things we don't know which include that...the one ore process continues and the up the creek status could be looming with loss of the paddle. Meanwhile, the real shot at a top notch recruiting class may be quickly p-thudding! Peace to all! PS. I'm still hurt that my seeing the strong word in Websters did not pan out THANKS COACH CHARLIE! Watch out for them Gators in NO.

December 6, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
BackupQB said...

I just put on my Inspector's hat and lit my pipe ... can anyone answer this one ... wasn't Vic Grider a student manager at UT the same time that Jon Gruden was a GA? Don't most big time jobs have a 'high school liason' or something like that?

June Jones

December 6, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

The coaching search at UT shows what those wearing Orange colored glasses refuse to believe...The Clorox Orange are not relevent in the world of NCAA football, much like Notre Dame and for a short period of time Alabama (Shula, Francione, etc)...when the coach at a Big East (now ACC big whoop) neither of which are on the level of even the Big 12, turn you down it shows your program is much like Fredo (you are nothing to me now)...

December 6, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

There was nothing wrong at all with Boof. Doesn't every guy at some point have a Boof in his life?

December 6, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

The 5-at-10 has orange slacks too. We'll be the recruiting coordinator.

What's the buyout?

Spy —

Mo is so money. And Enter Sandman is an awesome intro song. Not Lunatic Fringe, but a close second.

And SPitt is a powerhouse and a must-see venue for a big game on a Friday night when the weather's right and the house is full. There will be a slew of resumes for that gig.

Charlie Strong is not among them however.

Jomo —

There are hurdles for the next UT coach, no doubt. But with great obstacles come great opportunity.

As for Dave Hart's next move, well,.... we're not sure if even he's 100 percent sure of that right now.

That's a fair point for the hires without head coaching experience.

McPell —

We like the sound of Gus and Ellis. Sure, it could also be the deputies that replaced Barney when Andy Griffith went colorized, but we're on board with the Gus Bus.

And as much as we like Tommy Tuberville, UT can't hire him unless they have a good answer about why they picked Fulmer in a thinner package.

Orangeguy —

This is getting sideways in a big hurry. The Twitterverse is turning sour and the and alarms are ringing loud and clear.

Roman? OK. Chad Morris? Nice future, but he's probably not as ready as Kirby Smart.

Gross.

JMC —

Nice Robin Quivers shoutout. And we feel you with the Santa Moc.

Livn(Large) —

Yep, Charlie Strong did the unthinkable — he made all Johnny Vols Fans look for Florida gear for the Sugar Bowl.

BackQB June Jones/Sherlock Holmes —

Nice hat.

And to borrow from the politician playbook, "We have no recollection of that Senator."

(Yes, they were at UT at the same time. And yes may big time programs have high school liaisons.)

OG —

Don't hurt yourself with all the smiling you're doing at the Vols misery. It's Christmas after all.

December 6, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

BTW Jay, emailed letter to you this morning for the mailbag. I believe my questions are legit. Hope it gets used in its entirety and is a welcome break as suppose to "Volsgate 2012". Spy I know will be chiming in on some of the inquiries.

December 6, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.
Todd962 said...

Know that I envision you in a couch cushion fort with a hand written note taped to the front that reads "Coaching Command Center", empty vienna sausage cans litter the grounds surrounding your fortress, a straining colander is securely strapped to your head, and the only things you have chosen to arm yourself with are your laptop for updates and a wooden spoon to lash out at unwanted visitors. If this isnt the case, please just lie to me.

And is it just me or does the further this thing gets stretched out, that the Gruden conspiracy makes more sense? Or is it that the more bleak it appears, my orange color glasses are playing tricks on my mind, and I am merely living in a fantasy world where I imagine he will be coming back into play at the last minute on a white horse to save the day? Either way, I only have one demand if Gruden does come. The first image on the 5@10 the following day must be a photo of Hargis's face superimposed on X-Pac from D-Generation posing the only way we remember X-Pac to pose. It must happen.

December 6, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
jgreeson said...

JMC —

Got it and planning on including it.

962 —

The rumors are running crazy there's no doubt.

That said, we're having a tough time hearing some things — stupid colander on our head.

— 5-at-10

December 6, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
BackupQB said...

Todd - LOVE the Hargis as X-Pac visual!

Is it safe to say now that Dave Hart fired a coach without a plan in place? Or has his master plan just fallen apart? Wouldn't you think that he would have conducted some research to find out who was interested and who wasn't before he fired Dooley? He had a 1 week head-start on Auburn ... and should have had a contingency plan since at least mid-October. Hart may end up hitting a home run ... but right now looks like another strikeout! Should we blame Cheek instead of Hart?

June Sherlock Jones

December 6, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.
chas9 said...

Wordsmith says there's a Claus but no Clause. And try "unit" for "package".

December 6, 2012 at 12:19 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Sherlock Jones —

That's a pretty sharp paragraph.

You would think that Hart would have had a list, and would have some gauge about their interest — even back-channelled. (And for the love of people with an IQ over 60, anyone who thought Mike Gundy was leaving needs to step away or we're hitting them with our wooden spoon. Where's our colender. MA! Meatloaf!)

And if the list has been marked and marked, then what's next. Or maybe, just maybe, they've worked through names 2-5. Who knows?

Hard to blame anyone until the whole thing is finished, but that said, Cheek argreed to give the athletics department 18 million bucks.

9er —

Beclause why?

— 5-at-10

December 6, 2012 at 12:41 p.m.
jomo11 said...

remember Alabama fired Mike Shula on Novemeber 27 and didnt hire Saban til Jan 4

December 6, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Jomo —

Quit spouting logic and facts. THIS IS A COACHING SEARCH. We need flying off the handle and knee-jerk reactions.

We've just been handed an urgent breaking story: CANNONBALL!

— 5-at-10

December 6, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

chase-

"Wordsmith says there's a Claus but no Clause. And try 'unit' for 'package'."

To be honest, it's a Tim Allen thing. ;)

December 6, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

Wait. Now you're just confusing me. Did you really have a breaking story?

I agree. Patience is fine. This could be going on for another ten days or so. Who knows?

December 6, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[Kobe Bryant passed the 30,000-point plateau, becoming the youngest to do it. Is Kobe a first-team All-NBA all-timer? Magic, Jordan, Kobe or Bird at small forward, Duncan, Jabbar or Russell is pretty tough. And if that's what you have, that's potentially three guys that spent most of their time with the Lakers. Wow.]

Selecting 1st teamers based on the traditional positions, I'll go with Magic at the 1, MJ at 2, Bird at the 3 for now (it will be LeBron after all is said and done), Duncan at the 4, and Jabbar at the 5. Kobe is the 2nd best SG of all-time.

In case the Vols continue getting a "No" from multiple coaching candidates, Dave Hart may have to resort to contacting the folks on the list in the link below. Lol.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/12/6/3735574/tennessee-coaching-search-candidates-rumors

December 6, 2012 at 1:53 p.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- another little interesting fact . . . In the REGULAR SEASON

Notre Dame beat 9 teams that are going to a bowl game and Miami, who was bowl-elgible but choose not to go

Bama beat 5 teams going to bowl games, including Western Ky at 7-5 and Ole Miss at 6-6

December 6, 2012 at 3:01 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Stew —

Concur that LeBron will be there in time.

And that list was awesome.

Jomo —

If you're going to cross numbers and mention teams' records, well, USC was 7-5, Michigan State was 6-6, Purdue was 6-6, and Pitt was 6-6, and NDame beat Michigan 13-6 at home — the same Michigan team that Bama thumped at a neutral field.

Semantics and statistics good sir.

Bama 27-7.

December 6, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
jomo11 said...

I think Notre Dame in an upset 21-17 . . . . . then again Bama could kill them

December 6, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Notre Dame did beat the Pac-12 champ and beat a team going to the Fiesta Bowl at its home field, not to mention the team ranked No. 1 in the preseason. Alabama's schedule included such powerhouses as the aforementioned Western Kentucky and Florida Atlantic, Western Carolina and Arkansas, Missouri and Auburn, all of whom were varying degrees of stinky.

Leonard's Loser ... Alabama 26-25.

December 6, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

Stop it.

Preseason No. 1 — When Notre Dame met USC they were a four-loss team playing a back-up QB.

Michigan was throttled by Bama. Vandy beat Wake as badly as NDame did.

Gang, please. You're making the 5-at-10 find reasons to defend Alabama.

And that mighty Pac 12 champ lost to Washington, which was pantsed by LSU.

December 6, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Its silly of you people to argue either side of this debate. The University of Tennessee will be announcing Jon Gruden as their new head coach on December 21st, 2012, thus triggering the Mayans prediction of the end of the world, all those people in hell will get their ice water, and we will never even get the opportunity to see who would or wouldnt have pantsed whom in the national title game.

December 6, 2012 at 5:05 p.m.
jgreeson said...

962 —

Stupid Mayans. Spoiling everything.

If that happens, we're going to be pretty ticked off come Dec. 22.

— 5-at-10

December 6, 2012 at 5:11 p.m.
jeffy01 said...

Why bring up Gruden again? He said"no"! It's pathetic to keep bringing him up. We all want a coach....he won't be it. However, the LB coach at Baylor looked good last year.....lets let him have a go at it. He would probably turn us down too!

December 6, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
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