published Monday, December 17th, 2012

Protect wilderness by supporting bill and other letters to the editors

Protect wilderness by supporting bill

I found the Sunday, Dec. 9, Times editorial in support of the Wilderness Bill currently before the Senate both heartening and informative. The bill incorporates key portions of the Tennessee Wilderness Act of 2011, sponsored by Sen. Lamar Alexander and co-sponsored by Sen. Bob Corker of Chattanooga.

This bill recognizes the economic value of wilderness as a location for recreation-based businesses and the importance of preserving unspoiled lands for future generations. Wilderness has provided inspiration for such iconic characters of our culture as Henry David Thoreau and Teddy Roosevelt. It was even the location where the biblical prophet, John the Baptist, received his revelation (Luke 3:2).

I urge your readers to join your editorial staff, and our state's senators, in support of this bill.

RAY ZIMMERMAN


Groups trod on our Christian principles

It is very disappointing not to see a full page or even a half page ad in our paper by some of our churches, religious organizations, civic groups or other concerned people refuting the ACLU and atheist civil liberties groups' assault on our Christian principles and Christmas.

Some examples: The governor of Rhode Island refusing to let the state Christmas tree be called a Christmas tree, but a holiday tree. One person in a Midwestern state filed a suit with success to have a manger scene removed from city hall. Some retail outlets have informed their clerks to greet their customers with happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas.

There is an effort by some to remove "In God We Trust" from our currency. A group is pushing for courts to allow plaintiffs being sworn in not to say "so help me God." There are others pushing for prayer not to be said at civic meetings. And the list goes on. If we continue to cave in to these groups that are trodding on our Christian principles, it will be giving them a green light to press on and expand their demands.

CAREY CROUCH


Many causes trump rich-poor debate

I'm writing in reference to yet another published commentary from a resident sage concerning the rich owing an obligation to the poor.

In a world with a population of over 7 billion people I can find over a dozen causes more important to society than maintaining the poor in a style to which they would like to become accustomed. For example, several counties have cut down library hours to a 24-hour week. In addition, Chickamauga Dam has a 78-year-old lock, while sections of our city need expanded sewage-treatment facilities with larger pipes.

I have lived in the poor community for over five years. It has been my observation that they buy more beer and cigarettes than literature, which is one of the reasons why they remain poor.

LAURA BARE RODRIGUEZ

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Easy123 said...

Carey Crouch,

And rightfully so. You don't have the liberty or the right to control others lives or use government to advance your religious agenda. Read the 1st Amendment. Others have rights/principles/beliefs/ideas/etc. outside of Christianity. Why should you Bible Thumpers get priority or special treatment?

Also, I didn't know Christmas trees, manger scenes, the word "Christmas", having the word "God" on a coin, saying "so help me God" in a courtroom, and government prayer were "Christian principles". Where in the Bible does it say that? 1 & 2 Theocracy? Maybe the Book of Christian Dominionism?

Hopefully, you Christians will be put right back in your place... RIGHT NEXT TO US NON-CHRISTIANS.

December 17, 2012 at 12:22 a.m.
CathyB3 said...

All the "stuff that Christian folks fight for so hard" is just for show - Christmas scenes with people dressed up in bathrobes or statues; slogans, phony persecutions.

It's a shame that Christians don't act like Christians are told to act. If they did, there would be no need for any of the flashy, phony stuff.

Read Matthew: "Come all ye blessed of my Father."

December 17, 2012 at 1 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

From Fox news, December 16, 2012

With a picture of Santa Claus above another image of Jesus Christ, the sign, sponsored by New Jersey-based American Atheists, urges passersby to "Keep the Merry!" and "Dump the Myth!"

[The sign show Jesus on the cross, the typical depiction as seen at Easter, on a crucifix, in churches and homes.]

The ad is the latest in holiday-themed billboards put up by the group every year. In 2011, American Atheists posted a variety of ads as part of a “Myth” campaign in three states with images of Santa, Jesus, Greek god Poseidon, and the Devil with the phrase, “37 million Americans know MYTHS when they see one.”

The Catholic League has battled it out with Silverman's group in the past, even posting opposing signs on each end of the Lincoln Tunnel in 2010. But Catholic League spokesman Bill Donohue said Silverman went too far this year.

"This year it's different," he said. "This is vile. When you depict Jesus on the cross with a crown of thorns, this is exploitative. We as Christians never harass, intimidate or insult atheists. But they can't seem to say, 'We simply disagree with you.' They have to insult us."

My response: Christ on a cross has been used by many denominations and particularly the Catholic Church for centuries. Why can these "Christians" use the cross in an exploitative way, as a symbol of cruelty to non-believers and then complain about its use by atheists? No group or religious organization has exploited humanity with its symbols more than Christianity by the Catholics. Where was Bill Donohue when the centuries of abuse and pedophilia by Catholic priests was made public? Good Old Bill was silent. Perhaps a more appropriate symbol would be an altar boy hanging on the cross while priests take turns abusing him.

So this year, "Keep the Merry and Dump the Myth." Happy Holidays!

December 17, 2012 at 8:52 a.m.

CAREY CROUCH, you may not know it, but that Christmas tree? Has no origination with Jesus Christ, but originates from Pagan practices. There are some earnest Christians who find that to be problematic, and refuse to have anything to do with a "Christmas" tree since they know to be a lie.

There are others who feel the same about the placement of "Christmas" in December, since they know it to be false as well.

And "In God we Trust" is a violation of God by associating the Lord with money. I'm sorry, but many believers find that to be repellent.

Why don't you consider that, rather than just attacking your favorite targets to make yourself out to be a victim?

Besides, we know you'd never tolerate any celebration of Chanukah, Festivus, Ramadan, Tet, or other religion's holidays.

You are entitled to your Christian principles. As a person. Not within the halls of government.

LAURA BARE RODRIGUEZ, and who makes the money off those beer and cigarettes?

But you'd be quick to see the costs of treating the poor so callously.

December 17, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Carey Crouch, the unbridled arrogance of you Christians never ceases to amaze me. It is not so much the silliness of your believing in a fairytale sky-daddy and a mythical messiah that non-believers object to, but the fact that you think that your belief should trump everyone else's - that is what is so repugnant. You maintain a belief that your way is the only way to believe and that everyone else is wrong - so wrong, in fact, that they/we are going to hell, to be punished for all eternity by your "loving" God. Self righteousness is built into your very religion. You cannot be an evangelical Christian without being self righteous. You're not really about love, truth, and morality if you do not accept other human beings for who they are but only see them as lost souls to be brought into your flock of like-minded believers.

When store merchants say "Happy Holidays" instead of Merry Christmas, they do not do so as a slap in the face to you Christians but simply as a matter of courtesy, acknowledging the fact that there are not only Christians shopping in their stores but people of many other faiths as well. If your religion were more about truth and love instead of proclaiming superiority over other faiths you could see that. Nobody is "trodding on your Christian principles;" It is you Christians who have done the trodding in the past. Now people of other beliefs and non-beliefs are simply standing up and demanding not to be drowned out by your arrogant insistence that your way is the only way. Nobody is trying to take your Christianity away from you. We're just not going to let you shove it in our faces any longer.

December 17, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Laura Rodriguez, when you say "maintaining the poor in a style to which they would like to become accustomed," do you mean accustomed to things like getting decent health coverage and being paid a good enough wage to be able to buy groceries and pay rent? Those spoiled ninnies! Such audacity, that they would even think they deserve such things.

For sure, many of them live in a vicious cycle of squalor, with their habits of "beer and cigarettes," but the rich have their habits, too, of cocaine and cocktails at their country clubs or other posh private clubs. But of course, it's okay for the rich to indulge, isn't it? After all, they all worked their way to the top, right? All on their own, with no help from rich parents, no trust funds or inherited wealth, no tax advantages and loopholes, etc. They all got to their lofty pinnacles in life by the sweat of their brows, right? So they no doubt deserve to maintain their lifestyle of coke and cocktails, to which they have "become accustomed."

December 17, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123, CathyB3, daytonsdarwin , Rickaroo, Other AntiChrists,

Newton, Connecticut. Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Twenty Children slaughtered. Where is your sense of compassion? Their Parents are in the depths of agony, anguish and despair. Yet,

you, during their despair, label these Parents 'IDIOTS',

'DELUSIONAL', 'NUT CASES'. What a callous, slimmy, cold-hearted

thing to do. These who have lost their loved ones reach for

comfort, consolation, hope that they will indeed be reunited with

their little ones. Then your pitiful fringe-element group calls

them dim witted fairy tale believers because they look to Jesus

Christ. They pray for some help. You all have shown your true

colors. I believe you have

committed the worse of atrocities upon these of suffering humanity

by spewing your serpent's venom at this tragic time. Please go ask

forgiveness. YOUR CREATOR HAS SEEN YOU! HE HAS SEEN YOU!

December 18, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.

You know Jesus had something to say about bearing False Witness and making accusations against another person.

You should refrain from that.

December 18, 2012 at 12:41 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

You just bore false witness against me...I've got in writing what I just said! Please note, I addressed 'other anti-Christs', also. You are 'without substance' in your accusation.

December 18, 2012 at 12:44 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

You have just told a blatant lie about every poster you just mentioned. You'll have a hard time explaining yourself to Hayzoos!

YOU BETRAYED SHIVA! HE HAS SEEN YOU! SHIVA THE DESTROYER IS COMING!

December 18, 2012 at 4:10 a.m.
dao1980 said...

I stole this from MickeyRat's post on a previous thread (got to give credit where it's due)

This is how I picture Orr dealing with social interaction..

December 18, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, Where were the gods you speak of when these innocent children and adults were running, hiding, and calling out for your god's help, love, and compassion? What great love would any father show by allowing his children to be massacred? What loving super-son would turn a deaf ear to small children screaming in fear while being murdered? What invisiable holy ghost would allow those who cry out to it in fear to be butchered?

You're the demon, you're the devil, you're the promoter of falsehoods. You're the sickest person I know, who uses massacres to talk about god's great love.

I expect you'll be on the bus with the other bigots and nut-jobs of Westboro Baptist Church, going to protest at the funerals, raising signs to tell the grieving parent that their children are in hell because of homosexuals.You'll be joining your fellow Christians in another act that still insists that god loves his children.

You are vile excrement upon the earth, a stinking purification in the nostrils of decent people, and know nothing of the love and compassion that you claim your Jesus showed.

Shame on you, you lying old hypocrite. So much for you and your dogmatic Christianity that belongs in the dust bin of time and the ash-heap of history.

December 18, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Here's an excellent article on why Orr and his fellow loonies are losing their religious crusades of hate, dogma, and anti-science. http://www.paleolibrarian.info/2012/12/cbs-news-video-losing-our-religion.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Paleolibrarian+%28Paleolibrarian%29

December 18, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Wrong! Easy123, everything that I wrote...I can substantiate. Case closed.

dao1980, that is too real. I think some of the 'Dark Side' was actually portrayed. I don't think she was acting. I'm thankful that I walk in the Light.

Let me tell You daytonsdarwin, I'm a rough, tough, big, strong macho man, and, I have cried real tears over the Newton, Connecticut tragedy. Have You? I know that I have fully human compassion. Do You? Were You moved, shaken to Your very soul regarding another 'Sandy', hurricane Sandy? I grieved over those families, too. Did You? Who is not compassionate? kwo

December 18, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, You're a lying bigot. Your lies have been exposed numerous times. Your false claims of scholarship and scientific knowledge, your lies about homosexual jokes, your lies about your compassion, your lies about your Christian love.

You are the pimple on the butt of humanity, festering in your deluded god-ness that defies any logic or reason.

You are not rough, tough, big strong macho man. You're a sniveling coward, a liar, and an example what's wrong with America while hiding under your religious cloak of Bible quotations and feigned godly love.

Your compassion and tears are as phony as your written words. You walk in no light but skulk in the seething darkness of ignorance, bigotry, and cowardliness.

Your are a reprehensible, impotent, miserable old man, worthy of a slow, agonizing end to a cretin's existence.

I wipe you away like cat crap on my shoes, and though the stench lingers I strike a match to remove the last vestige of your presence and the world is a little brighter for your demise.

December 18, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin,

Your literary style, command/usage of vocabulary is gargantuan...monumental/cogent, Your lack of accuracy regarding my character, the same. kwo

December 18, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

OML, I take you about as seriously as I take the crazed man walking down the street, flailing his arms, yelling into the air at the invisible demons around him. You, sir, like con-man, Andrew Lohr, and every other Bible thumping nitwit on here, are certifiably nuts. I pity you. I truly hope that you will one day shed those blinders and see the real light of truth. It is all around you and within you, if only you would open your eyes and your mind. The Bible is so easy to see through if you would just read it rationally and objectively, not as a blind-faith believer. I was a Christian once. I know whence you cometh. And whence you cometh...it stinketh.

December 18, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

"Wrong! Easy123, everything that I wrote...I can substantiate. Case closed."

Wrong! Ken Orr, no...you can't. Case close.

December 18, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.
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