published Sunday, December 30th, 2012

'Guns in schools not only answer' and more letters to the editors

Guns in schools not only answer

The horrific killings in Connecticut suggest two necessary actions. First, those who murder and then commit suicide should not have the satisfaction of infamy. It should be illegal to name, in the public space, any perpetrator who murders and then kills himself.

Second, school administrators and state and local officials should consider the use of non-lethal force to protect children. There are many ways to subdue a shooter besides killing him. The effective use of lights, sounds, odors, or other non-lethal weapons by teachers and administrators could make the issue of guns in schools irrelevant.

Buildings could be made much more secure with simple and relatively inexpensive changes in doors, locking systems and alarms.


Stay off DesJarlais until next election

Dr. Scott DesJarlais and his family are our friends. He has been our family doctor since he came to Marion County many years ago. We know Scott, Amy and their children. So, enough is enough already. I don't believe there is a person who reads your paper who doesn't know of Dr. DesJarlais' mistakes.

Why is it that someone says "Oh I may be his opponent in the next election," and all the same things that have been written about his life since July need to be all said again?

Why not wait until next election to write all those things again? It seems David Cook, Chris Carroll and Andy Sher have decided to make him their daily story. There is nothing new in his life to add, so give the man and his family a rest and move on to something else until next election.

BOBBY and DORIS WIGGINS, Monteagle, Tenn.

Amend amendment to make intent clear

When we suffer a tragedy like the one at the elementary school in Connecticut, we have a rash of proposals and demands to fix the problem. Many of these proposals are from authorities in law enforcement and/or education.

What makes this unsettling is none of them get to the root cause. We are like a bunch of amateur firefighters who are fighting the forest fire but paying no attention to the arsonist whatsoever.

Our problem lies precisely in the misuse of the First Amendment. Our First Amendment was intended to protect our freedom to criticize our government and/or government officials when we felt they were wrong. In two generations this intended use of the First Amendment has been turned on its head. Now, no matter where we go, filth, perverted sex, practices of deceit and rampant violence are in our face. We simply cannot expect our children to have this garbage continually in their faces from earliest memories and still grow up to be decent citizens.

Until the First Amendment is amended to say precisely what the forefathers intended and the trash can be replaced with decent entertainment, we will continue these tragedies and worse.


License, regulate Internet poker

As a voter, taxpaying constituent and poker enthusiast, I ask for your support in passing legislation to license and regulate Internet poker.

From what I understand, the GOP's proposed budget cuts will leave seniors like me stranded at home eating cat food. After Congress throws us all over the cliff, online poker will be just about the only pleasure we will have left.

Online poker tournaments can be played for as little as 50 cents, which allows players to play in their homes on a cat-food budget.

Licensing and regulation will ensure that age verification measures are implemented, consumer protections are provided and protections for those with excessive gaming habits are mandated. Current law does not provide any protections for anyone.

Licensed and regulated U.S.-based horse race wagering sites have proven through years of experience that online betting sites can successfully implement these important protections. The game of poker deserves no less.

If you support generating tax revenue without increasing taxes and creating domestic jobs rather than outsourcing them, you will support the licensing and regulation of online poker. I and over 1 million fellow Poker Players Alliance members ask your support.


Legislators need to cut their spoils

Shame on you, Sen. Corker, and your fellow legislators. You contemplate reducing our retirement plan (Social Security) and our medical plan (Medicare) while you get the Cadillac of retirement and medical plans.

The Social Security plan is on the brink of bankruptcy because legislators took money from it for years to pay for benefits to their constituents so they could get re-elected rather than taxing them to pay for the benefits. Because if they had taxed us we would have voted them all out of office and/or told them we did not want the benefits they were offering as the price was too high.

To help straighten this out the members of the House of Representatives and the Senate should abolish their ruling class spoils of special retirement and health plans and only have what we have, Social Security and Medicare. Then maybe they all will think longer and wiser as they try to solve our fiscal problems.


Let's give God our attention

No! Do not put armed guards in schools! If you did that, you would have to put guards in movies, shopping centers and on street corners. Nothing would be safe!

Instead, put God, Bible and prayers back in our schools and elsewhere. Begin each day in our schools with chapel. After all, God is sovereign and in charge. He also answers prayers. Open games with prayers. And pray in Jesus' name, as he is our mediator. No one comes to the Father but by him.

Honor the Lord Jesus in stores, not just commercial sales. Put out the manger scene. Display the Ten Commandments in fast-food facilities, restaurants bars, buses -- everywhere. Put them in City Hall along with the Constitution. After all, we are a nation under God! Let's say so!

Personally, pray and have Bible reading in your home with your family. Make sure your children know who Jesus is. And make sure you do. He is God the Son, our Savior.

I believe God is trying to get our attention. Let's give it to him.

MARGE McNUTT, Signal Mountain

We no longer recognize 'freedom'

We Americans must change.

Our society has lost the essentials that make democracy. We speak of "freedom," but we no longer understand what that means. It's not selfish, my way, my things, my comfort, that ignores responsibility for other people. It is an awareness of how our decisions affect all of society. We isolate ourselves out of fear and see all "others" as a threat to our things. We arm ourselves with deadly weapons to protect our things, our space from "others." We fail to support actions that help the sick or addicted or drunk to recover. We buy higher fences, bigger cars and more powerful guns to keep them away.

I continue to grieve the death of 20 small innocents and six self-sacrificing women. Their deaths stain every American whose near-sightedness or selfishness has prevented rational gun laws and reasonable mental health care initiatives and who continue the culture of greed and self-indulgence that is their idea of "freedom."

More guns are not the answer. Violence does not cure violence.

Every gun owner should view photographs of 20 tiny, bloody, lifeless bodies when he or she buys another gun, another round, then given the warning, "This could be your gun ... your fault."


Read the Bible to calm down

If more people would learn how to calm down and practice self control, they would not only lower their blood pressure, there would be less road rage and a less need for gun control.

Some may need to seek a professional to learn how to calm down. Talking to God is a great way. He is on duty 24/7. No one needs an appointment to talk to God. He is never on vacation.

There are several Bible Scriptures you can read to calm down. One is Psalm 23. The other I recommend is Matthew 11:28-30. If you can read those two Scriptures slowly and take deep breaths of air as you read, you may see they will not only calm you down but give you a good night’s sleep as well.


Passers-by lend helping hands

My husband and I were at the Dupont walking trail when I fell and hurt my right foot, right arm and left hand. A nice couple who were driving by stopped to offer assistance. The man helped my husband get me up and helped me to their car. The lady drove me to our truck.

We want to thank them for their thoughtfulness. Unfortunately, we didn’t get their names but we will always appreciate the care they extended by stopping to lend a helping hand.


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'We no longer recognize 'freedom'

I do honor my Pastor's Wife. That is first. Yet, may I say, that if we ban weapons, then, that eliminates our ability to follow our Saviour's admonition, and, I paraphrase..."There is a time to take up the sword (weapon)". Once again, my highest honor to my Pastor's Wife!

Peace! Ken ORR

Luke 22:36.......Jesus Christ said...

Then said he unto them, "But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one".

December 30, 2012 at 12:53 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ken Orr...

Matthew 26:52 - Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Luke 6:29 - And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

Matthew 5:5 - Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

Either your Jeezus was a psycho who preached peace and laying down arms one day and then turned around and preached taking up arms the next; or he was just so fickle he couldn't make up his freakin' mind, so he decided to cover all the bases by preaching for both war AND peace. Obviously you prefer to take him at his word about taking up weapons and you choose to ignore his preaching about laying them aside and being peace loving. Your call. Happy cherry picking. To follow your Jeezus you have to be as screwed up as he was.

"If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane." - Robert Ingersoll

December 30, 2012 at 3:38 a.m.

Rickaroo~ Who is this that darkeneth counsel without knowledge?

Observe the following from the Word of God:

"1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. "

December 30, 2012 at 8:43 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

That quote from Ecclesiastes made for a great song by the Byrds but it does not give you or anyone the excuse to blow hot or cold, or change one's stance altogether on major issues. The Bible is truly a cherry picker's delight. It is so free ranging and wide open in its so-called morality that you can even find verses in it to justify your cherry picking!

Here is just a small sampling of the hundreds of contradictions contained within your "holy" and "inerrant" word of God:

  • God dwells in chosen temples: 2 Chron 7:12,16; God does not dwell in temples: Acts 7:48

  • God is seen and heard: Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/Ex 24:9-11; God is invisible and cannot be heard: John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

  • God is tired and rests: Ex 31:17; God is never tired and never rests: Is 40:28

  • God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things: Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21; God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things: Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

  • God is unchangeable: James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19; God is changeable: Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1

  • God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious: Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19; God is kind, merciful, and good: James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8 ,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14

  • God's anger is fierce and endures long: Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4; God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute: Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

  • God tempts men: Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13; God tempts no man: James 1:13

  • Robbery is commanded; Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36; robbery is forbidden: Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15

  • Lying is approved and sanctioned: Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22; lying is forbidden: Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8

  • Slavery and oppression are ordained: Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8; slavery and oppression are forbidden: Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10

  • Good works are to be seen of men: Matt 5:16; good works are not to be seen of men: Matt 6:1

  • Christ taught non-resistance: Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52; Christ taught and practiced physical resistance: Luke 22:36/ John 2:15

  • Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed: Luke 12:4; Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed: John 7:1

  • Public prayer is sanctioned: 1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3; public prayer is disapproved: Matt 6:5,6

  • It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers and punish evil doers only: Rom 13:1-3,6; it is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the good and receive unto themselves damnation thereof: Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/

  • Obedience to masters is affirmed: Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18; obedience is due only to God: Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10

December 30, 2012 at 3:07 p.m.
Rickaroo said...


  • There is an unpardonable sin: Mark 3:29; there is no unpardonable sin: Acts 13:39

  • Christ is equal with God: John 10:30/ Phil 2:5; Christ is not equal with God: John 14:28/ Matt 24:36

  • The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation: Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6; the law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation: Matt 5:17-19

  • Christ's mission was one of peace: Luke 2:13,14; Christ's mission was not one of peace: Matt 10:34

  • Children are punished for the sins of the parents: Ex 20:5; children are not punished for the sins of the parents: Ezek 18:20

  • Man is justified by faith alone: Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2; man is not justified by faith alone: James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13

  • It is impossible to fall from grace: John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39; it is possible to fall from grace: Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21

I could go on and on and on with the nonsensical contradictions. Your Bible is replete with them, from cover to cover. There are so many that they make a reasonable man's head swim. But you are not a reasonable man, are you, Mr. Orr? You are a man of faith - blind faith. You are not driven by reason or a search for truth but by your fear of death and such an intense desire to live forever that you are willing to sacrifice truth and knowledge for your childish blind faith in a belief that you think guarantees you eternal life. I pity you - to look at the world in such stark terms of good/evil, black/white, saved/unsaved, heaven/'s such a sad and limiting way to go through life. I hope you can open your mind one day. There IS a truth out there and it is not your Jeezus; or rather it is but only minimally so. Certainly he (or his mythical being, at least) spouted a few pearls of wisdom, and there are definitely some grains of truth contained within your Bible, but no book itself is sacrosanct and no one person is the way to truth.

But I have no doubt that you will go on cherry picking the verses that suit you and making excuses for those that don't. And if indeed wishes can come true, then I wish for your a life (after death) of eternal happiness with your God and your Jeezus in your perfect little heaven. May your delusions bring you whatever peace and contentment those delusions might bring.

December 30, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
jesse said...

Well Roo, now that you laid all that on that lunatic i'm sure by tomorrow morning he will be an agnostic and after mullin it over for another week will be a full blown atheist!!

Good Work!!

December 30, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.


What about this one:

Matthew 10:39...Jesus said:

"He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it."

I heard the other day that a guy was asked to tell an earthworm to explain a human being. The earthworm couldn't do it, so, the guy asked his friend to explain all about Jesus Christ (God). The friend couldn't do it, either. Moral: Earthworms are no more ignorant than humans when in their unique elements.

Ricaroo, what actually (specifically) happens when singularity takes place at the event horizon? How are our laws of physics changed there, at that time?

What are the major transactions that take place between earth and MACS0647-JD, a galaxy which is 13.3 Billion Light Years away from us? Why are these transactions taking place? What purpose do the most complex of these serve?

How does eyesight actually occur? Who made it happen? Hearing? Without looking it up, can You tell me how a television works? Why can't we prevent our own death?

The billions of people who have lived their entire lives believing in the Holy Bible know something You do not know. These are not contradictions at all, not any more than the fact that light allows us to see things, but, light 'does not' allow us to see things. When light is too blinds us. kwo

December 30, 2012 at 7:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

"I heard the other day that a guy was asked to tell an earthworm to explain a human being."

And that guy was insane.

"the guy asked his friend to explain all about Jesus Christ (God). The friend couldn't do it, either."

The friend must not do much research. You have this holy book that tells all about your god and Jesus.

"Moral: Earthworms are no more ignorant than humans when in their unique elements."

That is a non sequitur. You have no knowledge of the "ignorance" of earth worms or the "ignorance" of humans about a non-existant being. You Christians just like to claim that your god is a mystery when you can't explain the contradictions, immorality, and lies in your holy book. You use the same "human" ignorance to claim how good your god is. How is this possible if humans are so "ignorant" of your god?

"Ricaroo, what actually (specifically) happens when singularity takes place at the event horizon? How are our laws of physics changed there, at that time?"

That is a fairly simple question to answer. Check here:

The laws of physics ARE NOT changed at that time. The laws still apply. That's how scientists and physicists know what happens. They haven't actually been there. They do equations based on the laws of physics.

"What are the major transactions that take place between earth and MACS0647-JD, a galaxy which is 13.3 Billion Light Years away from us? Why are these transactions taking place? What purpose do the most complex of these serve?"

Define "major transactions". You're being purposefully vague and indistinct. You're too stupid to talk about science.

"How does eyesight actually occur?"

Who made it happen?

No one.


"Without looking it up, can You tell me how a television works?"

Why can't we look it up? Because you know there is a lengthy answer? You don't make the rules. This question alone debunks your own premise.

"Why can't we prevent our own death?"

Was that ever an option? That's like asking why we aren't invisible or able to fly. You're talking out of your ass.

"The billions of people who have lived their entire lives believing in the Holy Bible know something You do not know."

I'm sure they know a lot of things but none of them gathered any truth from the Bible.

"These are not contradictions at all,"

Yes, they are.

"not any more than the fact that light allows us to see things, but, light 'does not' allow us to see things."

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

"When light is too blinds us."


December 30, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

You are abnormally ignorant. You are so ignorant, in fact, that, when presented with factual evidence contrary to your own ideas/beliefs, you will argue in favor of lies and falsities. It is important to note that, although you do attempt to argue, you have yet to present a non-fallacious argument to date. It is truly unbelievable that you continue to incorporate science into your posts when you have been proven to be utterly inadequate on the subject numerous times. You are undoubtedly the most ignorant human being I have ever come across. It is a pity that you have wasted your once perfectly good mind.

You are truly a waste of human consciousness. Anyone that would subscribe to the amount of lies and myths as you do deserves nothing but ridicule and scorn. I pity your family and anyone that has to be around you because of the sheer ignorance that I know you impart to them daily. You're hopelessly stupid and you have likely made many around you ignorant as well.

The ignorance, bigotry, hatred, lies, homophobia and falsehoods that you fervently preach here on a daily basis should serve as proof of your psychosis. You have chosen this ignorance for yourself and you embrace it. It is a tragedy that someone as mentally compromised as you gets to live a full life. You and your ilk are truly the scum of the earth.

December 30, 2012 at 7:55 p.m.

'Read the Bible to calm down' (Thank You! In 2013 we will certainly need 'calm')

Jesus Christ>>>John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

Jesus Christ proclaimed that He Is Creator God of The Universe (All existence)! He proclaimed that since He Is God, then, He Is the only Way to come to God, or, to know God.

The Chattanooga Times Free Press readers are 'here & Now' individuals who know the value of being currently informed about the events of their world! This is intelligence/wisdom.

"New Year's Eve". I wish all a Happy and Prosperous New Year in The Lord Jesus Christ. In 2012 43 Million humans had to leave their homes due to conflict and violence. There were 73 Million Forced Migrants (46% Children, 49% Women). Natural and Technological Disasters displaced 15 Million humans in 2012. And on, and on. 2011 was the worst year for natural disasters and now 2012 may top that. Suffering Humanity.

Now, please 'hear' this. Do we want Jesus Christ to be our Saviour, or, our Judge only, who meets out deserved chastisement/discipline? Multiplied times we see one tiny Christian village blessed when there is poverty, warfare, and, disasters all around them. Chattanooga has been comparatively blessed due to a host of praying Christians (And a Newspaper that is not afraid to post regular Bible Scripture). Please know that the Holy Bible says, "The fool has said in his heart that there is no God." Those who know virtually nothing, except that they don't want to live by Christian morality, would have us go the way of the old Soviet Union! So, for my New Year's Eve proclamation, I give to many a resounding 'Thank You' for Your Christian prayers and witness. Our Lord God and Saviour, Jesus Christ is allowing Chattanooga, Tennessee to prosper because of You.

You are few in number, but, Christ Jesus said, "Straight is the gate, and, narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and, few there be which find it." Finally we are beginning to plainly see the 'Sheep' separated from the 'Goats'. And, by this, we are understanding more completely what Jesus said, "...few there be which find it." WHY?


December 31, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

Your preachments are evil.

December 31, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Do we want Jesus Christ to be our Saviour?

No. It's time to replace Jesus with a great actor and good dancer.

Christopher Walken, Savior, Holy Host and Head Toe-Tapper for the Saints. I'll be praying to Chris today!

January 1, 2013 at 10:10 a.m.
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