published Sunday, January 8th, 2012

Redistricting

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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dude_abides said...

Up gerrymander creek, and I don't see a paddle. We libs keep forgetting we're at war.

January 8, 2012 at 12:45 a.m.

At least they didn't end up in Florida.

Which is still litigating over the ballot amendments they passed in the recent elections. What's so wrong about non-partisan and contiguous districts I ask you?

Or Arizona, where the governor tried to get a nonpartisan member of the commission sacked. And then argued before the State Supreme Court that if she could convince a supra-majority of the Senate to support her, could fire somebody for not liking their hair style.

January 8, 2012 at 1:25 a.m.
potcat said...
January 8, 2012 at 3:08 a.m.
riverman said...

Problem for the Dems is that once you create the Ford welfare District in Memphis and the Limousine Liberal District in Nashville there are only so many ignorant blacks and white trash that you need to compose a Democrat leaning District.

Payback is "heck," isn't it Dems?

January 8, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.

It's true that there is a validity to an election, it does express the will of the people. However, this country does have some iron-clad limitations to the power of government, for quite justified reasons.

The electoral map is one thing that should not be grossly distorted in order to twist and manipulate the will of the people. This state was already the subject of a lawsuit against that, for a reason, because it was wrong. Amusingly, it was decided on the basis of neglect and failure to redistrict.

You know why? Because that takes away the power of the people.

Don't you support the will of the people? No, if you did, you wouldn't go frothing mad at the idea of proportional representation. Let the true will of the people prevail.

January 8, 2012 at 10:09 a.m.
OllieH said...

riverman said... there are only so many ignorant blacks and white trash that you need to compose a Democrat leaning District.

But there's no short supply of conservative wingnuts like Riverman.

January 8, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The Wart continues his democrat drum beat.

The beat goes on, the beat goes on

Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain

La de da de de, la de da de da

Poor Bennett. So small minded, so pathetic, so dependent on the democratic party for his sense of being and purpose.

January 8, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Poor BRP. So small minded, so pathetic, so dependent on the repugnant party for his sense of being and purpose.

January 8, 2012 at 11:18 a.m.
carlB said...

Even with the new District lines drawn by the party in control, the voters should take on the responsibility of not sticking to the party's political policies and Ideologies that takes this Republic and government's purposes back to the mind set that it was prior to the pre FDR's New Deal policies, wanting to cause President Obama's failure even if they cause another "great depression." The voters will have to take things "in their own hands," voting for whom is best for them and this Republic in the long-term. We have already had a dose of the elected Congress looking out for themselves and the Capitalist instead of our citizen workers. We, the US consumers, also need to help reduce our trade deficit with the global corporations, forcing them to reinvest in more manufacturing plants here, creating jobs making the goods that are now imported. The KEY to recovery is the creation of middle class manufacturing jobs and the decrease in the cost of living expenses while decreasing the "wage gap," with sacrifices made by everybody, not the depressing the middle class people and not "forcing" an increase in the number of people living in Poverty. Under the conditions that we are presently in, my opinion is, it going be left up to the "informed" voters to decide which direction they want this Republic taken after this 2012 election process, especially in the State and National elections. By this, I suggest that the voters will have to turn out in high percentages at the voting booths, voting for the party whom they think will get rid of this "stalemate" between the Parties and continue to keep this Republic stronger and functioning in a more balanced condition for all of the people and not just for the few at the top of the chain. The Voters will also have to "truthfully" decide against the political agendas and Ideologies that are destroying this Republic and dividing the people without regard to what is the best in the long-term for all of us and this country. In Tennessee, the voters have the freedom to vote for the person of their choice, whether it is in the Primary Election or the General Election. It is time for the voters to show up and "speak up".

January 8, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

onetinsoldier said... “Poor BRP. So small minded, so pathetic, so dependent on the repugnant party for his sense of being and purpose.”

Poor onetinsoldier. He has such a poor understanding of the facts. If he followed my posts he would not be surprised to learn that I would give the democrats an F and the republicans a D, with very few exceptions. “Progressives” in both parties have systematically destroyed our liberty over the last 60 years or so. It is too bad that the feeble minded can only see in black & whited. Poor onetinsoldier… He has been duped by the progressives in the democratic party to believe that they are his friends and are looking out for him and the republicans are his enemy.

As has The Wart.

January 8, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

If anyone is interested in experiencing the realities of the redistricting game, they should check out USC Annenberg Center’s “The Redistricting Game.” You can actually play the game.

The game includes "a basic introduction to the redistricting system, allows players to explore the ways in which abuses can undermine the system, and provides info about reform initiatives - including a playable version of the Tanner Reform bill to demonstrate the ways that the system might be made more consistent with tenets of good governance.”

If you don't want to actually play the "redistricting" game, the site is still worthy of a visit. It provides a lot of State by State redistricting information, including Tennessee.

http://www.redistrictinggame.org/

January 8, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.

I think it's great when you have two stupid Democrat politicians forced to run against each other. One less dope to deal with. One less seat controlled by an idiot. It's amazing Joann Favors' brain can generate enough power for her to walk upright or command her arms and hands to lift those tacky hats to her head.

January 8, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.
carlB said...

riverman said... Problem for the Dems is that once you create the Ford welfare District in Memphis and the Limousine Liberal District in Nashville there are only so many ignorant blacks and white trash that you need to compose a Democrat leaning District. Payback is "heck," isn't it Dems? January 8, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.


Reply: Since when does the 2007 deep recession only effect the Democratic voters?
What is the "payback" you are talking about? Sometimes people cut off their noses in trying to do spite or malicious harm to the unfortunate while thinking they are immune to being in the same situation.
You might wish to be back in the days before the Civil War, when there were people depressed and made slaves but you appear to act happy that there are people you can act superior to? Condemning all of them even if a large percent of them, including the "white trash" you sarcastically speak about could be in their condition due to being forced into it. After all, this Republic was on the "verge" of another great depression in 2007 before Obama was elected President.

January 8, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

This reminded me of the devote followers of Clay Bennett.

From the Czech Republic Observer

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

January 8, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.

Boo boo. Win back the majority in 10 years and you can do what you want. Until then, we'd rather NOT have Joanne Favors and Tommy Brown.

January 8, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
carlB said...

BigRidgePatriot, as i have said, why is there such a lack of judgment in comparing the experience of Bush W. and the leadership that President Obama has shown in dealing with with all of the unfinished issues handed over to him?
Are you trying to confuse us about how serious the conditions were during the 2007 deep recession and what the effects were? Is it your judgment that because the voters did not vote McCain and Palin into office instead of Obama and Biden, they were "blind fools"?

January 8, 2012 at 3:35 p.m.
Rufus_T_Firefly said...

It's the South. You expect more from the plantation express?

January 8, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
riverman said...

Funny that all these years when the dems were in control in the south they Gerrymandered Republicans into a minority. But now that the worm has turned the wittle Democrats are crying like spoiled brats. Of course it is legal for Democrats to discriminate against white Republicans but in some states illegal for Republicans to discriminate against black Democrats. Equal protection under the law? Depends on what color you are.

January 8, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.
kinch7 said...

Ha! Ha! Those poor Democrats! They have reason and justice on their side, but most of them take the high road when it comes to working with Republicans which takes them nowhere. They passedm Healthcare Reform and rather than seizing the day, they cowered. Failure could not happen to a bunch of nicer people. They deserve to lose and it hurts to write that. It's always better to be a freethinker than a dogmatic thinker especially if your mind swings towards progressive thoughts.

January 8, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.

riverman, your false protests of reverse discrimination aside, it was wrong to Gerrymander those decades ago, but it wasn't because of the existence of Republicans, it was blacks and even poor whites. Once the rest of the Democratic party decided they weren't going to pander to the South though, well, it turns out the Republicans were all too willing to do so, and that's why the South has so many erstwhile Republicans.

I guess the taste of Lincoln was finally washed away. Certainly they're keeping up with past patterns.

January 8, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.
01centare said...

carlB said... riverman said... Problem for the Dems is that once you create the Ford welfare District in Memphis and the Limousine Liberal District in Nashville there are only so many ignorant blacks and white trash that you need to compose a Democrat leaning District. Payback is "heck," isn't it Dems? January 8, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.


Reply: Since when does the 2007 deep recession only effect the Democratic voters? What is the "payback" you are talking about? Sometimes people cut off their noses in trying to do spite or malicious harm to the unfortunate while thinking they are immune to being in the same situation. You might wish to be back in the days before the Civil War, when there were people depressed and made slaves but you appear to act happy that there are people you can act superior to? Condemning all of them even if a large percent of them, including the "white trash" you sarcastically speak about could be in their condition due to being forced into it. After all, this Republic was on the "verge" of another great depression in 2007 before Obama was elected President.

It's unfortunate for the rivernMANS in that they actually think the repubs are targeting only the blacks and poor whites. riverman must have missed the story where once millionaires, living in mansions are havin to sleep in tents and in their cars and apply for foostamps to make ends meet. The reality hasn't sunk in for the rivermans that once that rug is pulled from under the poor they, the rivermans, have always taken the place of the poor whenever the republicans were heavily in charge. The poor, as they've always done, will survive. It's the middle classes, upper middle classes and lower rich who will be jumping from buildings when the economy bottoms out.

January 8, 2012 at 8:31 p.m.
01centare said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

This reminded me of the devote followers of Clay Bennett.

From the Czech Republic Observer

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

Of course, such an observation has come about due to Americans traveling into other countries and blaming all the ills and problems going on in America today on the present president. Even David Duke was recently arrested in Germany accused of entering the country and spreading his hate. But he's not the only one. There have been republican politicians traveling to other countries and committing basically the same or worse.

Some have even gone as far as to impress upon other countries that white americans are actually being oppressed in America by black, and that blacks have taken over. Causing whites to live in constant fear. They make sure whenever a crime takes place that where the accused is black or brown and the victim is white, that news spreads worldwide like a wildfire. On the other hand, when the victim and accused are reversed the news barely makes local media.

A few such stories recently made the news all the way to the UK.

January 8, 2012 at 8:44 p.m.
carlB said...

Why do we not get real, when the opponents of President Obama trying to project him to the voters and to themselves as a complete failure, while coming up with all kinds of reasons why he should not have been elected. Could it be that this group of people did not want a President smarter than them while complaining and "shaming the voters who voted for him? Do you think the Republicans and the "tea party" would have treated Hilary any differently if she had been elected? I think not, because the conditions of this Republic would have been the same for her as it was for President Obama. We have to ask; With the conditions of this Republic as they were after Bush W's terms, would the opponents of Obama be happy if McCain and Palin had succeeded in being elected and the Republicans were in control of the House and Senate? How can we say for sure what the conditions would be now if they were in control and “acting” as they are now against President Obama’s policies. Would we be in another great depression? We need continue increasing the private manufacturing jobs here. That is why the voters will change their votes for the Democrats. Strong

January 8, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Liberals are at war? No, I think not. War is not a state where people take money from one group and give it to another. That's called "robbery."

Liberals want to solve hunger today by eating the seed corn, leaving nothing for tomorrow.

Conservatives, on the other hand, want people to starve waiting for the next crop to grow.

Both sides are wrong, and we need some real change among them all or we are going the way of the Roman Empire.

Why not just do what is right for PEOPLE. Make them work for their living, but pay them fairly when they do work, and let those who obtain wealth do so by proper stewardship -- taking care of the people and the land and those who create the wealth.

As long as Liberals support the kinds of policies that result in people downtown shooting each other on a regular basis, they are our enemy.

As long as Conservatives support the kinds of policies that result in people being out of work so that a few can obtain greater wealthy, they are our enemy.

Everybody just needs to grow up and get along. Why won't that work?

January 9, 2012 at 12:23 a.m.
dude_abides said...

prairie_dog... I think some liberals and some conservatives fall into the categories you mention, and both fringe elements need to grow up, as you say. I suppose I should have said that all us liberals that are not left wing nuts should remember that we are, figuratively speaking, at war with the far right, which would include, I again suppose, anybody right of center who would want to redraw the voting districts so as to dilute the voting strength of those of us with different views.

It's curious to me, however, that you would discuss the nexus of Christian Outreach and readily available firearms... and inject liberals between them as the cause! You were referencing the Mosaic story, right?

January 9, 2012 at 7:14 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

carlB said... "why is there such a lack of judgment in comparing the experience of Bush W. and the leadership that President Obama has shown in dealing with with all of the unfinished issues handed over to him?"

Does two wrongs make a right? I scratch my head every time Bush is brought up in defense of Obama. What did you guys elect Obama for? To make excuses for 4 to 8 years about how the job is too big for him? I will grant you, McCain was no prize either, but anyone who is still planning to vote for a second Obama term needs their head examined.

January 9, 2012 at 8:08 a.m.
timbo said...

I finally agree with dude_abides, it is a war. A war against national socialism. The democrats have gerrymandered for 150 years, now the tables are turned and the whiney, bitching, leftist weenies are complaining. Now since you lost you want "bipartisanship." Waaa, waaa, waaa.

Our side is better armed intellectually and otherwise.

TO THE WINNERS GO THE SPOILS

January 9, 2012 at 9:10 a.m.
alprova said...

Yimbo wrote: "I finally agree with dude_abides, it is a war. A war against national socialism. The democrats have gerrymandered for 150 years, now the tables are turned and the whiney, bitching, leftist weenies are complaining."

You can't begin to back that up with any proof. Redistricting is a Republican ploy used just like voter I.D. laws to sway election outcomes their way. It seems to me that Republicans operate under the premise that they cannot win elections without using tactics to prevent people from being allowed the right to vote in fair elections, who are likely to not vote for Republican candidates.

Texas, which is Republican dominated, is about to have their redistricting plan thrown out. Three Federal Washington judges, two of which were appointed by GWB, have refused to rubber stamp it.

Texas gains in population that calls for adding four new Congressional representatives, have all been minorities. Statistically, they would lean toward Democrats. That didn't stop the Republicans from redrawing districts to favor the chances that Republican candidates would gain those four seats.

Several other states in the South also face legal challenges to their redrawing of Congressional districts for similar reasons.

"Our side is better armed intellectually and otherwise."

While you are free to hold that opinion, if the level of intelligence shown by right-leaning participants in this forum is any indication, I'd say that expressions of sheer ignorance is more closely aligned with the truth to the matter.

January 9, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Does two wrongs make a right? I scratch my head every time Bush is brought up in defense of Obama."

Why? President Obama is everything Bush was not.

"What did you guys elect Obama for?"

See response number one.

"To make excuses for 4 to 8 years about how the job is too big for him?"

Not withstanding the fact that he has only about to complete his third year in office, he most definitely inherited a country in deep, deep trouble, left by GWB to deal with. I'm not alone in my personal opinion that President Obama has done as good a job in dealing with things, as any man could have.

"I will grant you, McCain was no prize either, but anyone who is still planning to vote for a second Obama term needs their head examined."

Anyone who offers complaints like you do on a daily basis regarding the host of this forum, is in dire need of counseling.

Pardon me if I don't take your biased opinion too seriously.

January 9, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
potcat said...

The pubes can't back up anything, what else is new.

timboo said, "Our side is better armed intellectually and otherwise". Before you start laughing your arse off at this delusional Lie, they don't believe these utterances anymore than any half way thinking person would.Can anyone forget SO soon what the murderous republcan bush crowd did for 8 freaking 8yrs. I think NOT.

January 9, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Pardon me if I don't take your biased opinion too seriously."

You can stop weighing in at any time!

January 9, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

HappyWithNewBulbs said: “It wasn't because of the existence of Republicans, it was blacks and even poor whites. Once the rest of the Democratic party decided they weren't going to pander to the South though, well, it turns out the Republicans were all too willing to do so, and that's why the South has so many erstwhile Republicans.”

Yes, I’ve never understood how the South became known as the Bible Belt. Granted, there is a lot of preaching going on in the South, but there is an obvious void when it comes to a Southern majority actually practicing the Christianity that they’re preaching, especially when it comes to the concept that all men are created equal. It was true during the era of President Lincoln and it’s still true today. (Sigh)

January 9, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
carlB said...

BigRidgePatriot said...Does two wrongs make a right? I scratch my head every time Bush is brought up in defense of Obama. What did you guys elect Obama for? To make excuses for 4 to 8 years about how the job is too big for him? I will grant you, McCain was no prize either, but anyone who is still planning to vote for a second Obama term needs their head examined.

Reply BigRidgePatriot, What "two wrongs" are you talking about?
Apparently when you "scratch" your head, where ever it is located, the "two wrongs" in my opinion were Cheney and Bush W. There are not any excuses being made for the voters electing President Obama. It appears that since you and others keep denying that Bush W. and Cheney were in office for eight years and do not want to hear their names mentioned or admit that all of their unfinished crisis issues/policies affecting this Republic did not end when they left office. I hope you are still scratching your head to understand that when the Republicans continue to allow the destruction of this Republic when they get in office, then when they leave, as in the present case, somebody has to reverse the trend of that destruction. It would appear that in your opinions, you want this trend of destruction to continue without Obama reversing it?
Also, the question should be; Did all of these carry over issues occur from bad judgment, by accident or from deliberate political policies and the ideologies of the Party that was in control for eight years? Where do you get the opinion that Obama can not handle the job when he has done great with all of the negative obstructrion he has had.

January 9, 2012 at 11:24 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "You can stop weighing in at any time!"

Hold your breath on that one.

January 9, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
carlB said...

Reply to alprova said... Thanks for prevailing with the facts. Keep it up, Please

BigRidgePatriot said... alprova said... "Pardon me if I don't take your biased opinion too seriously." You can stop weighing in at any time!


January 9, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

carlB said... “ What "two wrongs" are you talking about?”

Wrong #1-The Bush administration’s unfunded wars, preemptive aggression, No Child Left Behind, Temporary Income Tax reduction, failure to address the known housing bubble created by Federal manipulation of the housing market…

Wrong #2 – The Obama administration’s outrageous spending wasted on temporary stimulus that has no long term effect but leaves our children saddled with oppressive debt. The appointment of Marxists & Communists to cabinet and department leadership positions designed to institutionalize further growth of the Federal government, Obamacare…

  • …the Republicans continue to allow the destruction of this Republic…*

It is Obama who declared his goal is to “fundamentally change” this country, presumably into something that resembles something like European Socialism. Watch the news if you want to see where that will lead us. Having said that, the Republicans have done their share of harm. Obama is just accelerating it.

Where do you get the opinion that Obama cannot handle the job when he has done great with all of the negative obstructrion he has had.

I just assume that since he is always blaming Bush for his failures he must at least pretend to be overwhelmed by the task before him. Obama is just trying to vilify the Republicans and is at least as responsible for any obstructionism. To the Republican’s credit, they have offered plenty of reasonable legislation that Harry Reid and Obama have suppressed or ignored, usually not even allowing to come up for a vote. You do know, don’t you, that his campaign strategy is to encourage gridlock and pretend it is all the Republican’s fault so he can run against the “obstructionist” Congress, right? The Democratic pundits make no secret of this.

January 9, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "nothing worth answering, as usual"

January 9, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
carlB said...

BigRidgePatriot said... Wrong #2 – The Obama administration’s outrageous spending wasted on temporary stimulus that has no long term effect but leaves our children saddled with oppressive debt. The appointment of Marxists & Communists to cabinet and department leadership positions designed to institutionalize further growth of the Federal government, Obamacare…


StrongReply: BigRidgePatriot, When you and the other opponents of Obama use this as a negative in dealing with this Republic on the verge of another great depression, it only indicates that they do not want a recovery and are not interested in stabilizing the effects of the 2007 deep recession and want his failure even if it creates another great depression.
What affect would going through another great depression cause on the future of our children?

January 9, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

carlB said... "What affect would going through another great depression cause on the future of our children?"

The money could have been spent on real, structural, stimulus like infrastructure but Obama is wasting it by supporting Unions and employment in government related institutions after promising work on "shovel ready" infrastructure projects. Obama's spending is almost pure waste and leading to problematic debt. In many cases, Obama’s spending is designed to perpetuate many of the problems, like unsustainable retirement plans for Union and government employees, and only kicks correction of those problems down the road.

In the meantime he refuses to do things that could actually bring in revenue instead of spending. He blocks development of practical domestic energy sources and creates massive bureaucracies that actively hobble business expansion.

January 9, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.
timbo said...

alprova.... just so you lefty conspiracy theorists know...here is the web site that explains redistricting in Tennessee. http://www.comptroller1.state.tn.us/lg/pdf/redist.pdf

You said, "You can't begin to back that up with any proof. Redistricting is a Republican ploy used just like voter I.D. laws to sway election outcomes their way. It seems to me that Republicans operate under the premise that they cannot win elections without using tactics to prevent people from being allowed the right to vote in fair elections, who are likely to not vote for Republican candidates."

By the way, the web site does "back me up."

Redistricting is done after every census. Sine the year 2000, the Republicans have taken over the TN house, senate and the governorship. The democrats had that power for 150 years, now the Republicans have that power and responsibility. To whine about is hypocritical. By the way, the Republicans won even though the Democrats did the redistricting before 2010

You also wrote, "While you are free to hold that opinion, if the level of intelligence shown by right-leaning participants in this forum is any indication, I'd say that expressions of sheer ignorance is more closely aligned with the truth to the matter."

What you said was "sheer ignorance". You were absolutely wrong and don't have the integrity to admit it and apologize. I can't decide if you lefties are mentally challenged or mentally ill. It is amazing how wrong you can be in just one post.

January 9, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "By the way, the web site does "back me up."..."

Really? Please quote the sentence that begins to back up your statement that I challenged, "The democrats have gerrymandered for 150 years, now the tables are turned and the whiney, bitching, leftist weenies are complaining."

"What you said was "sheer ignorance". You were absolutely wrong and don't have the integrity to admit it and apologize. I can't decide if you lefties are mentally challenged or mentally ill. It is amazing how wrong you can be in just one post."

I wasn't referring to you specifically, if that will make you feel any better. You know as I do that there are several people who routinely post in this forum, misinformation, untruths, and outright lies. They continue to post the same, even after they have been shown proof positive to having posted such things.

I owe no one an apology. Truth will stand when the world is on fire.

You have the audacity to consider me to be "mentally challenged or mentally ill," and then you demand an apology for pointing out that people post ignorance?

Yeah...right.

January 9, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Who's dumber? The Repubelicans for blatently violationg anti-gerrymandering laws and thinking there will be no repercussions, or the DemcRATS for following blindly where the pubes sent them? Who suffers. All of us. It's election time: Housecleaning 2012. Everyone must go. Join the NIP (No Incumbent Party).

January 9, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
carlB said...

BigRidgePatriot, Yes, the balance of middle class jobs have changed over the years due to the increasing effects of the global economy that US workers cannot compete. How many manufacturing jobs could be created here by the $500 to $600 billion dollars per year trade deficit with the global corporate monopolies? The tax void has not been filled with the corporations who are making the money off the masses. The elected people in Congress and the Senate of course have not adjusted their benefits to reduce the deficit spending compared to the masses of workers who have to work for less and for 30 or more years before retiring and then their benefits are being reduced or taken away.
What do you suggest is going to happen to the next generation of workers our children, who's jobs have been disappearing along with their benefits and not able to save for their retirment?

January 9, 2012 at 4:08 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

carlB said... "What do you suggest is going to happen to the next generation of workers our children, who's jobs have been disappearing along with their benefits and not able to save for their retirment?"

That is what I am concerned about. In tough times only a fool spends himself into oblivion. That is exactly what Obama and the rest of the cast of fools in Washington are doing to us. They should be taking obstacles out of our way but they are piling it on as fast as they can find ways around the Constitution.

If you think reckless spending is the way out of hard times I don't know how to answer that.

January 9, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.
potcat said...

George W. Bush and co-horts i.e.plubtards,the Media and the dumb arse Democrats that believed the LYING Murdering Chicken Hawks are the biggest spenders EVER. The Republican President and at the time the pukes had the majority are the biggest spenders in the history of the United States, then and now. Two unfunded wars, Iraq was based on a LIE with Trillions of waste and fraud, all borrowed from China to murder, maim and terrorize. And for what, NOTHING.

Obama is no where close to spending more money than what our last Republican controlled go around was,and also put the U.S on the brink of a Depression.I suggest you look at the figures and quit Lying!!!

January 9, 2012 at 5:55 p.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo said... Our side is better armed intellectually and otherwise. TO THE WINNERS GO THE SPOILS

You foolish man. You're like the kid on a Louisiana beach building a berm around his sand castle as the Tide is coming in. Your apartheid system will be gone in a generation and you can't see it. You are the P.W. Botha of Hixson. Your Aryan bloodline is going to be infused with African, Latin and Asian DNA, and will be the better for it. The history books are going to skip everything you believe to be important, and focus on reconciliation and rapprochement. We shall overwhelm, some day, some day.

January 9, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.
carlB said...

BigRidgePatriot said...That is what I am concerned about. In tough times only a fool spends himself into oblivion. That is exactly what Obama and the rest of the cast of fools in Washington are doing to us. They should be taking obstacles out of our way but they are piling it on as fast as they can find ways around the Constitution.

BigRidgePatriot, to what obstacles are you referring?
Since you are so "hung up" about Obama's spending and eager to point out that, in your opinion the spending has not done any good and was just money thrown away, I disagree with your entire Republican party talking points and your sarcastic scenario against the necessary spending to continue stabilizing the 2007 deep recession. My point is, you cannot have a recovery without production job creation. Where are the "Patriotic" private corporations to help create the needed jobs that the obstructionist of Obama expect him to create?
Do you really understand what President Obama has had to to prevent another great depression?

January 10, 2012 at 12:25 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Ouch, sorry, got timbo & BRP mixed up... how could that happen?

January 10, 2012 at 7:26 a.m.
fairmon said...

carlB said to BRP

Do you really understand what President Obama has had to do to prevent another great depression?

GWB didn't cause the economic collapse nor will Obama or anyone replacing him correct it. Even with the lawyers in government intervening and attempting to manipulate the economy which doesn't work, the economy has and will continue to have ups and down. Government does cause the swings to be more extreme. They create bubbles that will at some point always burst. Every thing the government gets involved in becomes much more expensive. Government would serve us better if they provided essential regulations, abolished all subsidies, incentives, deductions, reductions etc. while assuring fair competition and tax them at the average of other countries which I understand is around 17.5%. Allow those poorly managed and not competitive to fail.

A business should be able to file taxes on no more than two pages and individuals should be able to file on a post card. Politicians depend on us thinking it is difficult and confusing and we need them to protect us. Check them out, most are economic idiots interested only in keeping their position and increasing their personal wealth.

January 10, 2012 at 5:30 p.m.
carlB said...

harp3339 said...Government would serve us better if they provided essential regulations, abolished all subsidies, incentives, deductions, reductions etc. while assuring fair competition and tax them at the average of other countries which I understand is around 17.5%. Allow those poorly managed and not competitive to fail.


Reply: harp3339, yes, there are "cycles" which occur. These cycles are usually caused by human actions/policies. Just as the fraud involved in the loans of the housing financial systems, since nothing was done to stop it early it had grown/spread and involved many large systems. Now what about the growth of the global economy with the government leaders approving the free but unfair trade agreements with the low monetary value countries to allow our "good old patriotic companies" to spend billions of dollars of investments in the countries to get their goods manufactured? This designed trade and manufacturing even has a historical name of "race to the bottom." Again, the "capitalist" prevailed from the lobbying of the Congress while selling the the US consumers a "bill of goods" of why these trade agreements were a "good thing." An example is: "they will buy our goods." This was true but the fault with that is the goods are made outside the USA and sold to the people in other countries and the designed over manufactured supplies/surplus goods are supplied to the US consumers. There is a difference of how the problems have to be treated in preventing a crisis condition. But when the "crap hits the fan" there has to a different strategy unless "nothing" is done, letting the "chips fall" as they will. In September 2008 the "crap must have hit the fan" from the 2007 deep recession because Bush W and Paulson ordered up $700 billion dollars for the TARP. It would appear that from this point on the opponents of Obama have tried to minimize what the conditions this Republic was in, even if Bush W. said that "if he had not borrowed the $700 billion dollars the world would have had another great depression." That is why the opponents of Obama apparently want this Republic to have another great depression when they want to cut off his spending?

January 10, 2012 at 8:31 p.m.
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