published Saturday, January 14th, 2012

States should aid efforts to get ID

LETTERS TO THE EDITORS

States should aid efforts to get ID

I am writing to offer a different opinion than Mr. David Cook's commentary (Jan. 9).

Primarily, because he uses the example of his grandfather's military service, I assume that Mr. Cook did not serve or he would know that all service members swear an oath to "Defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

As evidenced in the last election, there are well-funded domestic organizations who have a central mission of voter fraud.

So, what is worse for our republic, one person and no vote or one person (dead, alive, or illegal) voting multiple times. Both are wrong, and though Mr. Cook may disagree, I think the latter is much more dangerous than the former.

However, states that pass a voter ID law bear a huge responsibility to "go to the ends of the earth" to enroll all who desire to vote.

So, the law should include funding and direction to the counties to make that effort through all branches of the government, utilities, schools, churches, etc.

No person should be left out if humanly possible to get them enrolled.

COL. (R) ROGER L. DUCKWORTH

Ooltewah

Crime victims see Moon as tough

I went to school with Judge Bob Moon and have known him since we both attended Clifton Hills Baptist Church and East Lake Junior High School.

I agree with Lee Anderson and his editorial comment and Roy Exum's opinion that "Judge Moon is a fine man and a conscientious judge."

I don't believe that anyone can complain that Judge Moon is not tough on criminals or deny that he is one of the most knowledgeable judges on the bench. I have campaigned for him every time he has run, and my family and friends will always support him.

I don't see a problem with murderers, thieves, gang members and dope-heads going to jail. Most people in this community and country believe that not enough of them go to jail and are released back into society to harm and kill innocent people way too early.

I suppose one's opinion of Judge Moon or any judge is whether one makes a living defending these criminals or has been victimized by them. Unfortunately, I, like most people, fall into the category of the latter.

SUSAN A. (JEFFRESS) DAME

Rock Spring, Ga.

ID law protects integrity of vote

Regarding David Cook's commentary article in Monday (Jan. 9) Times Free Press and speaking as a World War II retired U.S. Air Force colonel, the photo ID law is one of the better laws passed recently by the Tennessee Legislature.

Even though it may require an extra effort by some citizens who may not already have an official photo ID, this law protects the integrity of one vote per citizen. This honesty at the ballot box is what our military have fought and suffered for, while serving during war time.

DR. WAYNE SHEERER

Reason for ID law is obvious

Thank you, David Cook. Your article (Jan. 9) was spot on. Anyone with half a brain (Nashville lawmaker) knows why they wanted the voter ID law. Many people who would vote a different party will no longer get to vote because they could not get to the distant places to register.

I resent that I had to go all the way to the courthouse to have my ID changed.

I will vote against any lawmaker who voted this into law. We know there is so "much voter fraud going on." Shame on you. When the Republicans get through, we won't have any rights, and we know where all the money is and in whose pockets it is. Thanks, David Cook.

CATHERINE OWEN

Gas-price increases linked to Obama

In the Times Free Press, Thursday, Jan. 12, we find an interesting front-page article titled: "Gasoline could hit $4.50 by summer."

According to a senior petroleum analyst, the reasons are "seasonal demand patterns, rising tensions with Iran and increasing demand for oil from China."

What was not mentioned was the greatest reason for such price increases, and that would be directly attributed to President Barack Obama and his liberal environmentalist and union supporters.

By curbing drilling in our own territories, he is hoping that higher gas prices will force you to buy expensive little electric toy cars made by GM (Government Motors), and also powered by a government-supported (and soon to be 15 percent) ethanol gasoline mixture.

And, lo and behold, on page C2 another wire service article concerning the proposed Canada to Gulf of Mexico pipeline. Sen. John Hoeven of North Dakota said the oil is "going ... to go to China if we don't build it here." This decision was purposely delayed by Obama so he again garners votes from those same environmentalists. He hopes their votes will offset ours. He is wrong, as you will see in November.

JOHN BERGEN

Roberts can't change wording

Dalton Roberts' statement (Times Free Press, Jan. 10) regarding truth being a personal feeling about something is fine in some circumstances. But when his "truths" are obviously incorrect, they can no longer be considered true.

Mr. Roberts may not believe in a Creator, but the authors of the Declaration of Independence did. Our inalienable rights, according to the Declaration of Independence, are endowed by our Creator. Mr. Dalton may not like that, but it is in black and white. No matter how hard he tries, he can't change that.

SUSAN SKEELS

Fairfield Glade, Tenn.

Plane costs show why we're in debt

This letter is to point out an error in the Business section, Jan. 5, page C3: "Boeing to close Kansas defense plant."

"Boeing won the contract worth at least $35 billion to build 179 Air Force refueling tankers."

By a calculator that's $195,530,726 each. Say it ain't so, please!

This is a big mistake if it is so.

And we wonder why we're $15 trillion in debt.

By the way, this is what $15 trillion looks like: $15,000,000,000,000 divided by 310,000,000 people (the entire U.S. population): $48,387 that each American owes.

Just keep sending them tax dollars to Caesar and let Caesar decide how to spend them.

BILL GUINN

Ringgold, Ga.

Allow U.S. military to get rid of Iran

Enough is enough.

Our military is in the region anyway, so why not go ahead and knock out Iran?

Their government is made up of common scum, and Israel must be protected at all cost.

God help us if the idiots do get their hands on a nuclear weapon.

I have nothing against the average Muslim, the ones who practice their religion in peace. But those radical warmongers need to go. May the Father, Son and Holy Spirit show them the true and righteous way to peace. Long and forever live Christianity.

TIM LEDFORD

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Mr. Guinn would probably like to know that the value is for an estimated cost, not a fixed price. Given that the contract includes decades of maintenance, and that the Boeing 767 can cost 120-180 Million, depending on the variant, to a private buyer, I cannot say from his rough figure that it is a poor purchase.

There were manyn questions throughout the KC-X process, but don't try to pawn off that number as inherently bad.

As for the debt, fortunately it is not allocated evenly, since this is not a nation of equal distribution. If he wishes to do that, then he can distribute the wealth evenly first. That is somewhere around fifty trillion. So going by his methods, that would leave some 35 trillion for everybody. But I think we all know that a country's debt is not paid off in one fell swop anyway.

I'm amused by Mr. Ledford who wants to go to war to deal with warmongers. I am sure he does not realize the message that sends is not the one he wants.

January 14, 2012 at 12:57 a.m.
librul said...

Well, I'm NOT amused by Mr. Ledford - a typical jingoist rant reflecting a poisonous lack of ability to use reason. But the last sentence of his rant explains that.

Like you, Mr. Ledford, I have no problem with Christians who practice their religion in peace, pitiful slaves to mythology that they are. But those like YOU need to go.

January 14, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
kinch7 said...
  Most unkind rhetoric, librul, but I too have felt your rage. It is fun to stack up a pile of vitriol, but reason and debate suffer once those rocks are thrown. Who has the better argument?  Who provides the best reasons for their propositions?  Who envisions the best ideas that can be implemented to make our Republic a just and enlightened society?  Surely, not the person stoning others with vituperations. Liberals seek the fair deal for all. Truth is on everyone's side except the ones who cannot explain it and live it. (Please don't ask me what truth is. I have no idea. It's like obscenity. I know it when I see it far less often than when I see what I do not know. So much of truth is waiting and see.)

 So Mr. Ledford would have us go to war...again...against another, different nation...murder its mommies and daddies and babies and fetuses and cousins and uncles and aunts. I'm wondering which of the Big Three in the Trinity could feel sorrow over that and think, "Alas."  I also wonder, and highly suspect, that Mr. Ledford votes straight Tea Party. He would bring another costly war on his country. Alas and alas. There are many fundamentalists who believe we can trash our planet since a new earth will be created anyway, but they falter when it comes to applying that sort of reasoning to Israel. According to that theology, God is going to make a new earth and God is going to save Israel no matter what people do. So the world does not need environmentalists and Israel does not need the United States. Keep your faith consistent, Mr. Ledford.
January 14, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
kinch7 said...
 Gas prices have been coming down recently.  I wonder if Mr. Bergen has given Mr. Obama credit for that.  I suspect when the Berlin wall fell, Mr. Bergen happily attributed that great day solely to Mr. Reagan and not a piff or piddle to Mr. Carter.  I doubt seriously that he attributes the so-called Arab Spring to Mr. Obama's influence.  He would never be outfoxed that way.  So now he would already blame our president for something that has not happened yet?  What if our government finds a way to forestall that dire prediction?  Who will Mr. Bergen give the credit to for that?  I predict it will not be Mr. Obama.
January 14, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
Livn4life said...

I have a question for librul: By what mythology do you live your life or are you just enjoying it until it ends? You do know life on this planet does end do you not? I do not agree with Mr. Ledford on potential policy toward Iran. But we must live in constant vigilance towards those members of "that peaceful religion" who want to destroy anyone not a part of that religion.

January 14, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
LibDem said...

librul is more than capable of answering but I'm just curious to know whether there is something wrong with enjoying life until it ends?

January 14, 2012 at 12:19 p.m.
librul said...

There are many issues to choose from today - many of which are making "enjoyment of life" a myth in itself. People who think they should give up enjoyment of this life because they have been deluded into expecting to enjoy a better one after their death are sad beyond measure.

Paul Craig Roberts just published a tome in which he says: "There isn’t much time in which to revive the Constitution. One more presidential term with no habeas corpus and no due process for US citizens and with torture and assassination of US citizens by their own government, and it will be too late. Tyranny will have been firmly institutionalized, and too many Americans from the lowly to the high and mighty will have been implicated in the crimes of the state. Extensive guilt and complicity will make it impossible to restore the accountability of government to law."

Now, Mr. Roberts has the credentials to say this. I could not agree more but it's sad he uses them to advance the cause of Ron Paul, whose approach to government, while sensitive to his concerns, has a dark side few would like, even if it is advanced under the flag of "liberty."

When folks like Mr. Ledford can use their convictions to address such concerns in an effective way, even I will accept they might have legitimacy. But I will not hold my breath.

Bumpersticker: "The only problem with Baptists is they don't hold 'em under water long enough."

January 14, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.

I think caution should be applied to anybody who wants to destroy others, asnd I do not know of any religion without some who feel that way.

January 14, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"By what mythology do you live your life or are you just enjoying it until it ends? You do know life on this planet does end do you not?" - L4L

Gee, who'd a thunk that life ends?? So glad that people wise enough and moral enough, like L4L, are here to point that out to us.

Too many Christians - almost all of them, in fact - believe in Christianity as merely an "insurance policy" to heaven. There is no basis in logic or sanity for any religion that promises eternal life or for any "God" in heaven who judges and punishes or rewards his children based on how they choose to believe or not believe.

People adhere to a religion for one reason and one reason only: because they are afraid to die and they want to be assured that they will live forever. Whatever moral code one's religion of choice dictates, that moral code is nothing but a ticket to their ultimate reward of heaven in the hereafter. In other words, if you believe the right way and you say and do all the right things, then all the good little boys and girls get to go to heaven and all the bad boys and girls go to hell. What a childish and pitiful excuse for a moral code!

I have no answers as to what happens after death, I make no claims or presumptions as to what sort of entity, if there is one at all, exists at the core of the universe, and I believe the Bible to be nothing but a hodge-podge of fairy tales and a compilation of man's primitive attempts at explaining and defining God.

So you think that I, as a non-believer, am incapable of living a quality life devoid of morals simply because I do not believe in your two-dimensional god and your juvenile concepts of heaven and hell? You are sadly mistaken. I do good because I see the good that comes from it and I shun doing bad because I see the harm that it brings to others and, eventually, to myself. If you need a church and a god and a bible to believe in and to tell you the difference between right and wrong, then so be it. We are all different and I respect your right to believe in whatever you wish to believe in. But when you self-righteous holy rollers try to paint us non-believers as immoral or a-moral simply because we don't believe in YOUR god or YOUR bible, then you can kiss my non-believing a##.

And if you think that is "unkind rhetoric," keith7, well, you would be right. I long ago gave up trying to reason with and be nice to small-minded self-righteous christian nitwits who commit the greatest unkindness of all – judging and condemning others, especially those who do not think just like they do.

January 14, 2012 at 5:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Rickaroo, I hardly think it is "unkind" rhetoric, but then again, I am a fellow unbeliever and I agree with everything you posted. Welcome to the group that is reviled above all others, including rapists.

My complaint is about something that can't be helped: that I live in a state where people think it's okay to deny others their rights under the constitution because they don't fit their narrow profile of a TROO AMERICAN (TM).

January 14, 2012 at 7:13 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Reviled is right, lkeithlu.

I heard the comic Steve Harvey say in an interview not long ago that he won't even speak to anyone whom he knows to be an atheist because, he says, he cannot trust them. He thinks atheists have no moral code to live by. Now, I couldn't care less what that egotistical comedian's opinion might be of me personally or of any fellow agnostics/atheists, but his attitude of scorn and derision is perfectly in line with that of most other Christians.

In actuality it is xtians who lack a moral code because they can literally get away with murder if they so desire. All they have to do is ask the forgiveness of their sweet jesus and all is hunky-dorey - they can still get into their heaven just by believing. That's why I say that xtianity, at least to the fundamentalist, proselytizing ones who think that their belief is the ONLY true belief, is not really a moral code to live by; it's just an insurance policy to get them into their make-believe heaven.

January 15, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

BTW...the reference in my former post regarding "unkind rhetoric" was something kinch7 said, not keith7. I got the name wrong. My mistake.

January 15, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
tipper said...

No one is stopping Mr. Ledford from picking up an M16 and going to Iran. Be my guest.

January 15, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.
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