published Wednesday, July 4th, 2012

'Keep America's prayer custom' and other letters to the editor

Keep America's prayer custom

Prayer in public is part of the ancient American landmark that should never be dismantled because of a few disgruntled individuals.

America will be celebrating her 236th birthday today. Some may be disgruntled at the long-term success our country has provided through these many years along with her success and many trials and tribulations. America has accepted customs or traditions that should stand like she has through the test of time.

One such custom is prayer. Our forefathers may have read Scripture that they believed mandated such actions as prayer being acceptable in school or public places. One such reference is found in the Old Testament in the book of Proverbs 22:28: "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set" (KJV).

During America's traditional birthday celebration, let's keep all of her landmarks, customs and rituals.

REV. TERRY L. BUTLER, Cleveland, Tenn.


Career program neglects police

It is depressing that Richard Beeland is unaware that the city personnel department "developed" the Career Ladder Development Program; the personnel department "implemented" the program and continues to "manage" the programs for both the fire and police departments to this day.

There is no problem with the program. It is a proven success. It produces a better trained and a better qualified professional employee.

The only problem has been a lack of continued funding for police while the fire department has been fully funded for 14 continuous years.

Let me be clear.

I am not in a quarrel with the mayor or administration nor the City Council. I mean no disrespect to any of them.

But I am ashamed when our government and also our citizens want to hold sworn officers, both fire and police, at higher standards than they do regular citizens. However, when it comes to paying for this higher standard we fail terribly. You can never pay fire and police officers what they are worth, when it comes to them giving their life to keep you safe. But we can make every effort possible to make sure that we never fail to compensate these same sworn officers for the job that they do each day.

FREEMAN COOPER, Retired Chief of Police


Some things are sickening

I don't know what makes me more sick -- the "gay-bashing" (recalled by Matt Nevels, June 24 front-page article) or feeding a jaguar a rat encased in ice.

POLLY SISSON


Christ impulse continues to work

Your front- page article on June 24 about the Nevels' family odyssey was beautifully crafted and gives one hope for the future of humanity. Truly, the evolution of human consciousness is slow, but stories such as this are to me a clear demonstration that the Christ impulse continues to work powerfully in the world. I believe the article should be a strong contender for a Nobel Prize in journalism.

FRED H. COATS JR.


Prayer never has been the issue

The "issue" is not "prayer" and the "Ten Commandments" in our schools and courthouses ... it never has been. The "issue," as our Founding Fathers well understood, was to never let the church get the power to torture and execute our innocent, young girls and wise of women (witches) again; as they did in Europe.

Our history books only mention 44 witchcraft cases, six executions in America (Salem, Mass.). They failed to mention the "9 million" who went to the flames (see "The Crone" by Barbara Walker, page 142) which tells me surely our founders suffered kin-folks, ancestors to the cruelty of the church. Isn't that why they came here? Thus: "Separation of church and state"? (You better believe it).

If it is necessary to show others you believe in God, why not include our mother goddess (matriarchal) who we worshiped for 35,000 years? God has been a man for only 6,800 years.

I see, long after Easter, the Trinity Christian network is still running their favorite "snuff" movie ... keeping up their guilt-trip on the world. Seems like a severe case of masochism to me!

ROBERT LEE BROWN, Missionary Ridge


Many ignoring Fourth's meaning

I notice more with each passing year the Fourth of July is treated as just a day off work, an annual barbecue or a day shopping for sales.

It saddens me that not only do a majority of adults fail to honor those who sacrificed and died for America to become free, but they also fail to instill this history in their children. Nor do they learn this in school, sadly.

Since those first men in uniform fought so hard to win our freedom, millions more have followed suit in order for us to remain free.

We need to stop each and every day that involves remembrance of actions of our great men and women in uniform and be thankful to them and to honor their deeds. We need to realize fully that our freedom was not, is not, nor ever will be free. Only via our military will we be able to retain this precious right.

Vets, thank you for your service to and for our country.

MARILYN JOHNSON, Fort Oglethorpe, Ga.

Little has legal skills to serve

My husband and I had the opportunity to talk to Mike Little after he knocked on our door asking for our vote. We had heard many good things about Mike from our son, who knows him personally.

Mike has been a resident of Soddy-Daisy for 12 years after moving here from Hixson with his wife and children. Mike served as president of the Soddy-Daisy Boys Basketball Booster Club. Mike and his wife are active members of the Holy Spirit Catholic Church in Soddy-Daisy.

Mike reminded us that a Soddy-Daisy resident has never been elected as the city judge. This fact is what got Mike interested in running for the position. It's obvious Mike wants to serve his community. He has the legal experience to serve as judge with 21 years of courtroom experience working for four criminal court judges, trying 60 jury trials, appearing in appellate courts and serving as a special judge in the city of Chattanooga, city of Red Bank and Hamilton County General Sessions Court. In addition, Mike is an adjunct professor at UTC.

We've decided to vote for Mike Little because he's a resident of Soddy-Daisy with the legal experience necessary to fill the position. Please join us in electing Mike Little.

HARVEY AND WANDA RICHIE


Parkinson's makes some people lucky

Michael J. Fox wrote a book called "Lucky Man." Me and MJF have one thing in common, Parkinson's. In short, Parkinson's is interference with the brain's command to the muscles to move. It grows progressively worse as time rolls on.

Thursday (June 28), I celebrated my 65th birthday. I got up, signed some online petitions, listened as the news said that the Supreme Court was going to uphold the idea that health care was a right in this country and not a privilege. I then enjoyed time with my woman and went to work.

Although Thursday was my chronological birthday, any and every day that I can wake up and arise will be my birthday. Thank you Lord, for, like Michael J. Fox, I too am a lucky man.

F. DOUG CRAIG


Lasley most qualified for job

As the owner of Cottage Closet in Soddy-Daisy, I am supporting Marty Lasley for Soddy-Daisy City Court judge.

I know Marty as a friend, customer, Sunday school teacher and attorney. His 25 years of experience in the courtroom, knowledge of the law, loyalty, gentleness and sense of humor will allow him to serve the people of Soddy-Daisy well.

As a Soddy-Daisy resident, and fellow taxpayer, Marty believes that the judge must prudently administer tax dollars and should always be looking for ways to implement policies and procedures to gain greater efficiency without sacrificing justice.

Marty is the most qualified candidate for the job, plus he is the only one who lives here, shops here and was raised here. Impact our community. Elect D. Marty Lasley, Soddy-Daisy City Court judge.

JAN WHEELER

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acerigger said...

Marty believes that the judge must prudently administer tax dollars and should always be looking for ways to implement policies and procedures to gain greater efficiency without sacrificing justice.

Ms. Wheeler, do you really think that Soddy-Daisy's judge does all that????? lol

July 4, 2012 at 2:51 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Great letter, Robert Lee Brown. It's about time someone pointed out that God was indeed Mother of the universe once upon a time. I have often wondered why more people today don't ask the simple question: why does God have to be male? And if God is our father, why isn't there a Mrs. God who is our mother?

It really amazes me that so many women accept without question that a male God created us and the entire universe but a female God had no hand in it whatsoever. Christian women are so stupidly subservient. They have bought the lie - hook, line, and sinker - that they are guilty of man's downfall and thus they deserve second place status, even today. Yes, the church has "evolved" to the point of allowing women to actually preach (whoopee) but the church still has them - even the preacher-women - believing that man is the king of the household and the ruler of the roost. Until they openly rebel and demand that God the mother be allowed to come back home to hubby and rule the universe alongside of him, they won't truly come into their own spiritually. Of course, if they become enlightened enough to see God as something other than a heavenly daddy, they will probably be enlightened enough to know that God is within us anyway and is not some male of female being "out there" in the cosmos.

July 4, 2012 at 6:02 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Not exactly sure what you mean by the "Christ impulse," Fred Coats. Seems to me there are more christians who use that impulse to bash the gays and call them sinners than there are those who love and accept them. Seems to me there are more christians who use that impulse to justify their greed than there are those who obey Christ's command to give up all of their possessions and follow him.

You say this "Christ impulse" continues to work powerfully in the world. Yeah, sure. About as powerful as a poodle pulling a sled with Chris Christie on it....and no snow on the ground. At the rate christians are evolving spiritually we can count on a revolutionary love fest to take place among them some time in the 23rd or 24th century, maybe.

Here's a novel idea: how 'bout christians just dispense with the petty dogma and simply love their neighbors as themselves? That might expedite their evolutionary spiritual development just a tad.

July 4, 2012 at 6:11 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

From one of America's Founding Fathers;

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistant that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

Thanks, Mr. Paine,for your efforts to establish a secular government.

July 4, 2012 at 6:43 a.m.
LibDem said...

"Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set".

REV. TERRY L. BUTLER, it is rare to find a quote that is so meaningful and informative. Now I know Dog doesn't want me to vandalize those historic markers along the highway. But seriously, Sir, why does it appear that these quotes are randomly selected words arranged into sentences?

The County Commission has now officially adopted a prayer policy, but, again, failed to explain how either religion or government is enhanced by merging the two. I would say that both are diminished.

July 4, 2012 at 8:42 a.m.
joseph said...

Prayer in this country is not in danger. One can pray all they want in every private moment of the day. The question the people of Hamilton County are facing is whether their politicians should be allowed to pray "in Jesus name" during the conduct of the people's business in an avowedly political and public forum. I say the latter should not be allowed because it lends the "authority" of the Hamilton County Commissioners to a particular (read: Christian) religion. Now this doesn't say the commissioners are not allowed to be Christians, but they should not do so at the expense of other people's and religions in the county of whom they are supposed to represent. What the commissioners are trying to do is clearly unconstitutional, which is why they are now trying to walk it back by installing what they are calling a "compromise." They would have been better served by simply going with a moment of silence. But hypocrites never do the sensible thing.

July 4, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
librul said...

The Wiccans, atheists, assorted freethinkers and other secularists in the citizenry of Hamilton County who pay taxes and are equal citizens under the law are still being shunned and excluded by their "representatives" on the Hamilton County Commission. Their "prayer policy" which enlists the aid of nobody but area clergymen, i.e. sectarians, is, as has been pointed out, nothing but politico/religionist propaganda and an effort to continue the current offensive "custom". We must hope that the outcome of the legal process will expose it as such.

July 4, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
LibDem said...

librul, according to today's TFP, selection "...will rely on whether the group's nonprofit status has been approved by the Internal Revenue Service." So they do indeed defer to a higher power respected and admired by the constituency.

July 4, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
Lr103 said...

One question and one question only.

Did the General really write that? Members of his own regiment didn't respect him, and often made cruel derogatory and demeaning remarks about his verbal and grammatical skills.

July 4, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

jahchild said,"So, my question, should we listen to the Anti-Christ & disband prayer, or, should we listen to Jesus Christ of Nazareth?"

I'd rather listen to Christopher Hitchens, Carl Sagan, Richard Dawkins, or George Carlin.

July 4, 2012 at 7:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Daytonsdarwin,

Throw in Sam Harris, Socrates, Bertrand Russell and Immanuel Kant and I'm right there with you!

July 4, 2012 at 8:42 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

daytonsdarwin, I'm lifting your Thomas Paine quote!! ^5

July 4, 2012 at 10:56 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

jahchild said, "It is a place of Eternal Torment & . . . . 'Pain', that was created by Jesus Christ for satan and his angles."

I bet it was wacky right angles.

Ah,for the good old days of the Spanish Inquisition, witch-burnings, Jewish pograms,Jerusalem Crusades, high-stepping Nazis and American Indian genocide. Glory to Jehovah, that loving sky daddy.

July 5, 2012 at 7:21 a.m.

"gays" deserve all the bashing they get. Their campaign to make it acceptable for a man to insert his penis in another man's anus will never succeed. They've let their practices shape their image.

July 5, 2012 at 12:06 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

zableedofisterix babbled, "Their campaign to make it acceptable for a man to insert his penis in another man's anus will never succeed."

That's the second time you used that phrase. Having a little fantasy, are we?

July 5, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.

Not at all, Daytondarwin. Why is it shocking to hear the truth? That's what it's all about.

July 5, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.

It's their sexual acts, which, by their own choice, has defined them. If evolving means we have to be ok with a man inserting his penis in another man's anus, or a man giving oral sex to another man, then we truly are hitting rock bottom in this once great land. W

July 5, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Let me understand,zableedofisterix. Is it OK for a man and woman to do those things?

July 5, 2012 at 1:03 p.m.

Yes, it is, except for sodomy. It's normal for a man and a woman to be intimate. Hollywood, the porn industry and the whole "gay rights" push to legitimize sodomy and champion it as being as normal as vaginal intercourse has been so successful that it's gotten to the point where women are being made to feel almost prudish if they don't at least try it. The same can be said about oral sex to a certain extent, it's almost a woman's, and a girl's, duty to perform that act.

July 5, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

zableedofisterix wrote, "The same can be said about oral sex to a certain extent, it's almost a woman's, and a girl's, duty to perform that act."

What do you mean "to a certain extent?"

What about a man performing oral sex on a woman? Is that a "sin" as well?

July 5, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.

I never mentioned anything about sin. I'm talking about things that are abnormal, such as homosexual sex, and the pressure to perform certain acts by women, and girls, because of the pressure on them applied by a steady campaign of perversion. Same goes for oral sex by men on women. If a heterosexual couple want to do that, that's up to them, but it shouldn't be the case that a woman is viewed as a prude because she won't engage in sodomy.

July 5, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Zab,

Oral and anal sex between heterosexuals isn't abnormal. Many animal species engage in both. Humans are simply the most intelligent animal.

July 5, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Gives new meaning to the phrase, "Go down, Moses" doesn't it?

So if it's not a sin, but abnormal to you, then it must be alright with God?

July 5, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
dao1980 said...

I think zab is abnormal..

July 5, 2012 at 1:58 p.m.

I don't know what that means. I'm not speaking for God. All I know is it's abnormal for a man to to be sexual with another man. Simple as that. What's going on is a massive campaign to legitimize it, or label it as normal. What's even more offensive is that the word "evolve" is being attached to an acceptance of that behavior as normal. "we've evolved as a nation" is one thing I hear constantly regarding that because homosexuality is promoted or recognized.

Dao proves my point. He states I'm abnormal for finding homosexual practices to be abormal. It is a type madness and brainwashing.

It is not normal for a man to want to sodomize another man. It may be widespread, it may be promoted, it may be protected by law, but it will never be normal. It will never be right.

July 5, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.
dao1980 said...

What if I think you're abnormal for thinking that I'm abnormal for thinking that you're abnormal for believing that something is abnormal..

Somehow I have proved your point? Are we to this point, that we can all perceive each other as being abnormal? Is the point not really just that perspective itself paints the reality that each of us observes before us?

Shouldn't we all strive constantly towards a broader perspective in order to attain a greater accuracy in our perception of reality?

Just a tip, I am currently observing the reality your perspective is blindingly narrow.

Now don't confuse this "tip" with the one you seem to obsess over to the point that it defines your opinions.

July 5, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"It is not normal for a man to want to sodomize another man. It may be widespread, it may be promoted, it may be protected by law, but it will never be normal. It will never be right."

That is baseless opinion. You have absolutely nothing to base these beliefs on outside of religion.

If it's normal in nature, then it is normal. End of story.

July 5, 2012 at 4:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I was clear with my statement. And it still stands.

July 6, 2012 at 10:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JAHJAHJAH,

That happens all the time. Just without the vomiting part and the maggots. Vultures and most other birds use their stomachs as a vessel to carry food in. Humans don't need to do that. We have hands, vehicles, grocery bags, etc. But, if we only had wings, I'm sure carrying food in our stomachs and regurgitating that food for others or our young would be commonplace.

And yes, I made that statement. And it still stands. If you would like to keep going, I will gladly oblige but I am far more versed in science/biology/nature than you will ever be. You will not win this argument, I assure you.

If it happens in nature, then it is natural.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/natural

July 6, 2012 at 10:34 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I don't care what your imaginary god or your holy book said. There is no proof your god exists and your holy book is full of errors, contradictions, and evil teachings. You have been brainwashed by a book to believe evil things.

July 6, 2012 at 10:43 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JAHJAHJAHJAHJAH,

I just explained that humans do what vultures do. We just do it in a different way. And it is very normal for us.

And please show me where the raping of adolescent animals takes place in nature.

You have no position. You are arguing from ignorance. Child rape is not homosexuality or heterosexuality. I notice you never mention men raping little girls. Is that ok by you? Would you label an adult man raping a young girl as "heterosexual"?

You are obsessed with demonizing homosexuals because of your past experiences. And I truly sympathize with that. You are angry. I get it. But you're anger is misguided. You aren't thinking logically about any of this. And I doubt you ever will. But you don't have an argument here. Homosexuals are capable of the same evils as heterosexuals. But you want to demonize homosexuals because of what it says in your holy book. That is evil and immoral.

July 6, 2012 at 11:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You're hopeless.

July 6, 2012 at 11:52 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

This is your brain on fundy religion.

Mr. Orr, you need help for your obsession with sex: it's to the point that you spend too much time thinking about how consenting adults behave in private. No one cares what you think about sex, and the laws take care of sex used as a weapon or imposed on those that can't give consent. Let it go and get another hobby. This is just sick.

July 7, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.
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